Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed The Bible

[Guest Libertarius]

codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:

>><Tohu.B...@hotmail.com> wrote

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>>> Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

>>>wrote:

>>>

>>>>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

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>>>>> Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

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>>>>===>STUPID NONSENSE.

>>>>Coke and Pepsi are COMPETITORS.

>>>>Are they "selling the same product"?

>>>>Of course not.

>>

>>>Of course they are BOTH selling SOFT DRINK. Pepsi is not

>>>selling wine They are competitors

>>

>>You just flunked the Pepsi challenge.

>

>

> You think so because you view Judaism as a missionary religion.

> It is not. Judaism is a national religion, a religion of the nation of

> the Children of Israel. It does not seek converts therefore no

> competitor.

 

===>That is total historical nonsense. -- L.

[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 5:54 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

> > On Mar 3, 6:16 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> > wrote:

>

> >>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

>

> >>>The pharisees who believe in Jesus

> >>>as the Christ/Messiah of Israel were preaching

> >>>the Gospel of resurrection of Mankind.

>

> >>===>That is utterly idiotic.

> >>There were NEVER any Pharisees who believed in

> >>"Jesus as the Christ/Messiah"

> >>In fact NO ONE has ever believed in any "Christ/Messiah".

> >>The Jews believed in the coming of a HUMAN

> >>liberator king "Messiah",

> >>and the Pagans (and some renegade Jews)

> >>of Saul/Paul believed in an incarnate savior god

> >>named "CHRISTOS" (Christ for you in English).

>

> > How about your famous EBIONITES whom you liked

> > to cite. Did you forgt them so quickly or are you saying

> > that they were no Hebrews? You have been citing

> > them for their opposition to Paul. What was their origin?

>

> ===>They were JEWS, they believed in a "Messiah",

> and NOT in the LIES of Saul/Paul and his Pagan savior

> god "CHRISTOS" ("Christ" for you), and certainly NOT in YOUR

> concoction of "Christ/Messiah";

> and it is ridiculous to claim they were "Phariseess".- Hide quoted text -

 

 

Your contentions:

- Messiah is not implied in Deut 18:15

-Jesus is not the Messiah

-Christ and Messiah are two different words

-Jesus never existed

-Paul invented Christ and the Gospels

writers invented Jesus to fit in Christ role

-Pharisees never believed in Deut 18:14-19

as predicting the Messiah.

-Anointed is a greeck concept used for athlets.

 

It is too messy I don't even know now what you

are talking about when you use the word "THEY"

Who they?

 

 

 

 

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[Guest Jeckyl]

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message

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> Jeckyl wrote:

>> There are people here who claim to believe in Jesus as Christ/Messiah ,,

> ===>I know of NO ONE, other than stupid YOU

> who ever talks about a "Christ/Messiah". -- L.

 

You must be confusing me with someone else.

[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 5:57 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > On Mar 3, 6:16 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> > wrote:

>

> >>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

>

> >>>On Feb 21, 12:59 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> >>>wrote:

>

> >>===>STUPID NONSENSE.

> >>Coke and Pepsi are COMPETITORS.

> >>Are they "selling the same product"?

> >>Of course not.

>

> > Of course they are BOTH selling SOFT DRINK. Pepsi is not selling wine

> > They are competitors

>

> ===>Sure, and Judaism and the Christos Cult were both RELIGION.

> But they offer different "products", just as Pepsi and Coke are

> NOT THE SAME PRODUCT, you nitwit! -- L.- Hide quoted text -

 

Your contentions:

- Messiah is not implied in Deut 18:15

-Jesus is not the Messiah

-Christ and Messiah are two different words

-Jesus never existed

-Paul invented Christ and the Gospels

writers invented Jesus to fit in Christ role

-Pharisees never believed in Deut 18:14-19

as predicting the Messiah.

-Anointed is a greeck concept used for athlets.

 

You are still talking about Judaism I am not

I am talking about the "Pharisees who believe"

in Acts 15.

They were present with the Apostles at

the COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM. They were

nolonger jews of Judaism.

 

You lack the skill needed to investigate

the past. Man you are boring, not bright

not very sharp

 

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[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 6:02 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > On Mar 3, 6:16 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> > wrote:

>

> >>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

>

> >>>On Feb 21, 12:59 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> >>>wrote:

>

> >>>>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

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> >>>>>On Feb 20, 1:23 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> >>>>>wrote:

>

> >>>adversaries are also selling Christ/Messiah.

> >>>Are they Hebrews? So am I

> >>>Are they Israelites? So am I

> >>>Are they servant of Christ? So Am I

>

> >>===>Don't be so stupid.

> >>He is talking about some splinter group of his

> >>"Christos" cult, that believed they should

> >>be more like thgir Jewish ancestors,

> >>But is NOT talking about the Pharisees.

>

> > Acts 15 tells us that the Pharisees who believed

> > were advocating the costums and Law/Torah of Moses

> > and were encouraging the Gentiles to circumcise.

>

> ===>Correct.

>

> > This is the group of Parisees who were present at

> > the COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM.

>

> ===>FALSE!

> It is YOUR invention.

> Acts says no such thing.

 

You can't read can you?

5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the

PHARISEES

stood up and said,

"The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of

Moses."

 

 

 

 

>

> This is the group

>

> > Paul refered to as the PARTY OF CIRCUMCISION.

>

> ===>Sure. But those are not "pharisees".

> They are referred to as NAZOREANS or

> THE WAY or THE POOR.

> A completely different sect of Jews.

 

Now it is against your word and Acts of the Apostles.

Why do think I should trust your source?

Post your source and we will see If you

know what was being debated.

 

But anyway a rose is a rose in any language.

We reckonize them -The Pharisees- by the doctrine

they advocate.

Saying that a Jesuit is not a catholic

because he calls himself Jesuit

or a catholic is not a Christian because

he is called Catholic is the stupidest thing

I have never come across.

Yet this is what you are saying.

If they are called the way, they can't be pharisees

or If the name change into Nazoreans this means

they had never been and had no

connection with pharisees .

MAN, YOU ARE STUPID.

 

Do you know what doctrines mean

in religion and culture?

 

>

> > This is the same group who preached the Gospel

> > to the Galatians.

>

> ===>?SO, what? NOT PHARISEES.

 

5Then some of the believers who belonged

to the party of the PHARISEES

stood up and said,

"The Gentiles must be circumcised and

required to obey the law of Moses."

Given the fact that Paul taught

against circumcision and against the Law

of Moses, an ordinary student history

would expect a clash between them, but not you.

It is sad

 

 

>

> > This is he same group who were saying the "Law is good for the

> > Gentiles"

>

> ===>So, what? NOT PHARISEES.

 

 

5Then some of the believers who belonged

to the party of the PHARISEES

stood up and said,

"The Gentiles must be circumcised and

required to obey the law of

Moses."

 

 

>

> > It takes thinking to analyze a text.

>

> ===>And you are incapable of and not permitted to do that.

>

> THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH -- L.- Hide quoted text -

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MY FAITH IS TOO CONSISTENT WITH HISTORY

CULTURE, LAWS OF ANY LAND AND SOCIOLOGY

[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 6:04 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> Jeckyl wrote:

> > "codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message

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> >>On Mar 3, 6:16 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

>

> >>>===>That is utterly idiotic.

> >>>There were NEVER any Pharisees who believed in

> >>>"Jesus as the Christ/Messiah"

> >>>In fact NO ONE has ever believed in any "Christ/Messiah".

> >>>The Jews believed in the coming of a HUMAN

> >>>liberator king "Messiah",

> >>>and the Pagans (and some renegade Jews)

> >>>of Saul/Paul believed in an incarnate savior god

> >>>named "CHRISTOS" (Christ for you in English).

>

> > There are people here who claim to believe in Jesus as Christ/Messiah ,,

>

> ===>I know of NO ONE, other than stupid YOU

> who ever talks about a "Christ/Messiah". -- L.- Hide quoted text -

 

This is why you are trying to make up theory

to fit your nonsense.

But Christ is the correct translation of Messiah

Every competent translator has render

Al-Massih from Arabic as Christ.

You are alone on your road to NOWHERE

 

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[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 6:07 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

> >><Tohu.B...@hotmail.com> wrote

>

> >>> Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

> >>>wrote:

>

> >>>>codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:

>

> >>>>> Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

>

> >>>>===>STUPID NONSENSE.

> >>>>Coke and Pepsi are COMPETITORS.

> >>>>Are they "selling the same product"?

> >>>>Of course not.

>

> >>>Of course they are BOTH selling SOFT DRINK. Pepsi is not

> >>>selling wine They are competitors

>

> >>You just flunked the Pepsi challenge.

>

> > You think so because you view Judaism as a missionary religion.

> > It is not. Judaism is a national religion, a religion of the nation of

> > the Children of Israel. It does not seek converts therefore no

> > competitor.

>

> ===>That is total historical nonsense. -- L.- Hide quoted text -

 

 

Then you don't know History.

Any community of jews living among

the Gentiles have always lived

in a kind of gated community for fear

of getting into contact with the UNCLEAN

uncircumcised. You understand not

the JEWISH CULTURE.

They fear uncircumcision the same

way they fear LEPROSY.

Case at hand, Peter at Antioch was

embarrassed to eat with the Gentiles.

If not for Paul this would be passed down

to us as a divine command. But thanks GOD

FOR PAUL.

Boy you do not know what you are talking about.

Visit a community of the Muslim living among

the pagans uncircumcised. You will learn

a lot and understand the Jewish culture.

 

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH

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[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 6:04 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

> Jeckyl wrote:

> > "codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message

> >news:1173058974.229774.196380@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

>

> >>On Mar 3, 6:16 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

>

> >>>===>That is utterly idiotic.

> >>>There were NEVER any Pharisees who believed in

> >>>"Jesus as the Christ/Messiah"

> >>>In fact NO ONE has ever believed in any "Christ/Messiah".

> >>>The Jews believed in the coming of a HUMAN

> >>>liberator king "Messiah",

> >>>and the Pagans (and some renegade Jews)

> >>>of Saul/Paul believed in an incarnate savior god

> >>>named "CHRISTOS" (Christ for you in English).

>

> > There are people here who claim to believe in Jesus as Christ/Messiah ,,

>

> ===>I know of NO ONE, other than stupid YOU

> who ever talks about a "Christ/Messiah". -- L.- Hide quoted text -

 

 

Christ is a fictional Character created by Paul,

And Jesus is a fictional Character created by the

Gospel writers to fit in Christ shoes and you

think this makes sense to you, historian?

You are really messed up

 

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[Guest codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Mar 5, 6:02 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>

wrote:

 

>

> This is the group

>

> > Paul refered to as the PARTY OF CIRCUMCISION.

>

> ===>Sure. But those are not "pharisees".

> They are referred to as NAZOREANS or

> THE WAY or THE POOR.

> A completely different sect of Jews.

 

 

Why did you set out to investigate the past If you get

easily confused and fooled by names and name change?

 

 

 

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