KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 will I need to run a relay with this kit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/200674594711?ssPageName=STRK:MEBOFFX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1427.l2649 thanks guys. P.S. I will be using this on a 04/05. Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
TheViking Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Yes, It will work better. I have one. I have pics somewhere on my install of the HIDs, relay, and battery. I will try to find them and post em up Quote 2004 TRX450R, Full HMF Exhaust,jetted, K & N, i-Shock Phantom +2 A-Arms. 2006 Raptor 350, Bone stock http://450rhq.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/dea29ecec90cdbdda9bd6fd562f2773d.jpg
nuckinfuts Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Any time you're hooking some component up that will tax the factory electrical system, it's best to use a simple relay. Sometimes you can get away without using one but in other cases it's just a matter of time before the supplied voltage wire cooks the insulation and nearby wires, causing a short. These short outs are tough to trace if it happens within the wire harness that's all wrapped and insulated itself like the majority of the harness is. Quote http://450rhq.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/450c01f25139ab7ef7d638c0209599ef.png
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 6, 2012 Author Posted May 6, 2012 ok, Ill probably order one. I dont plan on using a battery tho. Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 7, 2012 Author Posted May 7, 2012 I take it that a relay is more the less a "breaker"? thanks Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
OTMTRX Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 I take it that a relay is more the less a "breaker"? thanks Nope! It will take some load off your switch when you turn them on but unless you are going to upgrade the wiring (heavier gauge), from your reg to the lights there's no benefit of a relay. People put the relay in to take the load off the stock wiring (the stock wiring switches the relay..low current draw) then the relay contacts, which can handle more current draw than stock wiring, bring in the heavier gauge wiring/heavy current draw components etc Quote
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 7, 2012 Author Posted May 7, 2012 I get it now !!!!!! lol thanks for explaning!!! I think ill just wire it up w/o a relay and pray! When I turn em on ill rev it up a bit to produce more current. Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
nuckinfuts Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 I get it now !!!!!! lol thanks for explaning!!! I think ill just wire it up w/o a relay and pray! When I turn em on ill rev it up a bit to produce more current. Yeah, that's not the point. It's current draw, not the lack of. Quote http://450rhq.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/450c01f25139ab7ef7d638c0209599ef.png
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 7, 2012 Author Posted May 7, 2012 I just found a smaller sized 12V battery. I think that I will buy the relay and wire it to the battery. So now I am wondering where I will get the juice to charge the battery from?!? Thanks for explaining Nunkinfuts! Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
OTMTRX Posted May 7, 2012 Posted May 7, 2012 I'll check for sure later (on phone in work) but i think it'll be black wire coming from key switch. Quote
OTMTRX Posted May 8, 2012 Posted May 8, 2012 The 06+ e-starts run a wire straight from the reg to the battery for charging (red wire), I'd use the black from the keyswitch though (same wire, just gets switched by key switch)... bit of extra protection having the switch in circuit. Quote
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 8, 2012 Author Posted May 8, 2012 that wire and the ground from the frame? Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
nuckinfuts Posted May 8, 2012 Posted May 8, 2012 You could ground to the frame or preferably the engine. Quote http://450rhq.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/450c01f25139ab7ef7d638c0209599ef.png
TheViking Posted May 8, 2012 Posted May 8, 2012 Here is mine with the battery added in behind the air filter. I ran a wire from the stator to the battery to charge it, then to a switch I installed on the dash piece, through a relay to the lights. With this set up, both lights pop right on no problem. The battery takes the brunt of the power it takes to ignite the ballasts instead of the stator. http://www.offtopic.forum/uploads/imported/2012/05/BatteryInstall-1.jpg http://www.offtopic.forum/uploads/imported/2012/05/Switch-1.jpg http://www.offtopic.forum/uploads/imported/2012/05/450rHIDs-1.jpg Takes a little bit to cram all that shit under the hood, but it works great. Make sure you get a big enough switch to handle the juice it will get going through it. Quote 2004 TRX450R, Full HMF Exhaust,jetted, K & N, i-Shock Phantom +2 A-Arms. 2006 Raptor 350, Bone stock http://450rhq.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/dea29ecec90cdbdda9bd6fd562f2773d.jpg
bigcountrydude Posted May 8, 2012 Posted May 8, 2012 i just put hids in my 06. no RELAY. no extra battery. flickers just a little on startup. no problems so far. no melting wires or anytihng. info only. Quote Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Pump Gas, and Kicking Ass TEAM JUNK RACING #224
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 9, 2012 Author Posted May 9, 2012 thanks viking and nunkin.. The lights arrived today and are BRIGHT! I ordered a relay today and am going to run the battery. I will have to find a switch, how many amps will it need to be able to handle? Also, What guage wire should I run? Thanks, Kobe Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
OTMTRX Posted May 9, 2012 Posted May 9, 2012 checked your link... 35w is 2.7A @ 13v, 2.9A @ 12v (just for the 12v people). But it says 3.5A working current.. so go with 23awg (4.7A) or to be on extra safe side 22awg (7A) (recommended). Check out Radio Shack for your switch.. they do have waterproof ones in there too.. you just need a SPST (single pole single throw), I'd get at least 6A rated.. don't know much about HID's but pretty much everything electrical draws a little more current on start-up..so go 6A...to be on safe side.. Quote
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 9, 2012 Author Posted May 9, 2012 ok, thanks Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 will this battery work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zeus-PC5-12XBALT4-12V-4-5Ah-SLA-Rechargeable-Battery-for-Security-Systems-/130649729029?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item1e6b54a805 Thanks Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 to the top Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
OTMTRX Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 I'd help if I could.. it's rechargeable... but I honestly don't want to say yes.. then it doesn't... Hopefully someone else can help.. try PM'g Viking see what he used. Quote
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 ok, will do! Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 I went ahead and ordered a 12v 5ah battery. Hope it works! Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
KansasTRX450R-Rider Posted May 12, 2012 Author Posted May 12, 2012 Ok, so the relay arrived today. Can I use the factory switch as the voltage to activate the relay? The voltage to power the lights will come from the battery, and the juice to flip the relay will come from the stock harness. I can do this right? thanks Quote 2004 TRX450R- Wiseco 11.5:1, Stage 2 Hotcam Velocity Intake, K&N Filter, Nmotion Shorty Pipe Sikk MX Grab Bar, Shaved Fenders, HID Lights, ASV Clutch Lever Duncan Seat, IMS Pegs, G-Force Hubs Sand- 8 Paddle Haulers on Polished .125 DWT Blue Labels 21X11X8 Dirt- Rear-Holeshots -- Front- Maxxis Razr 2's Tusk Clutch Kit W/ HD Springs Blingstar Iron Cross Bumper (2) +10 HP Stickers Stock Bore, Stock Stroke, Mixed Pump Gas, And Still Kickin' Ass!!! :lhdevil:
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