Guest Chris Morris Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" > <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >> >>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message >>news:fvb3u2t1t5bvee1q385taqu1jddpgct16b@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:22:14 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>news:45e0cae1$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>> "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> snip >>>>>> >>>>>> You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the few >>>>>> that have been appropriate to the discussion. >>> >>> Irrelevant. >>> >>> >>>>>> I really don't recall ever discussing them with you. >>> >>> You invited us to join in, by xposting to an atheist NG. >>> >>>>>>If you don't like people discussing their beliefs, you don't have >>>>>>to read these kinds of threads. >>> >>> If you don't like atheists deriding your superstition, them don't post >>> it to atheist NGs. >>> >>>>>> >>>>> Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free speech >>>>> provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict censorship >>>>> laws >>>>> for years. >>> >>> No he hasn't Frank, and you know it; So why do you lie about it? >>> >>> The constitution gives you freedom of speech, and Christopher, and >>> every other American atheist will fight to defend that. >>> >>> What they will fight against, is YOUR idea, that freedom of speech, >>> gives you the right to force your religious views on other peoples >>> children. >>> >>> While you do not want your children force fed, Islam, or Hinduism, or >>> Satanism, you complain like crazy when Hindus, or Muslims, or >>> Satanists, are protected by the same rules. >>> >>>>>But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, >>>>> he is making little headway. >>>> >>>>While I agree with you Christopher is a bit of menace to society, >>> >>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>> with you. >> >>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking first. > > And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to > put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your > beliefs were real, outside your religion. You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not think it means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell something that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many occasions. You are rude little impotent child who has no manners whatsoever. Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:27:44 -0500, "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" >> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message >>>news:fvb3u2t1t5bvee1q385taqu1jddpgct16b@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:22:14 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>>news:45e0cae1$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>> "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> snip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the few >>>>>>> that have been appropriate to the discussion. >>>> >>>> Irrelevant. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I really don't recall ever discussing them with you. >>>> >>>> You invited us to join in, by xposting to an atheist NG. >>>> >>>>>>>If you don't like people discussing their beliefs, you don't have >>>>>>>to read these kinds of threads. >>>> >>>> If you don't like atheists deriding your superstition, them don't post >>>> it to atheist NGs. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free speech >>>>>> provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict censorship >>>>>> laws >>>>>> for years. >>>> >>>> No he hasn't Frank, and you know it; So why do you lie about it? >>>> >>>> The constitution gives you freedom of speech, and Christopher, and >>>> every other American atheist will fight to defend that. >>>> >>>> What they will fight against, is YOUR idea, that freedom of speech, >>>> gives you the right to force your religious views on other peoples >>>> children. >>>> >>>> While you do not want your children force fed, Islam, or Hinduism, or >>>> Satanism, you complain like crazy when Hindus, or Muslims, or >>>> Satanists, are protected by the same rules. >>>> >>>>>>But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, >>>>>> he is making little headway. >>>>> >>>>>While I agree with you Christopher is a bit of menace to society, >>>> >>>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>>> with you. >>> >>>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking first. >> >> And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to >> put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your >> beliefs were real, outside your religion. > >You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not think it >means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell something >that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many occasions. You >are rude little impotent child who has no manners whatsoever. I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out repeatedly, yet you persist with them. And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more personal nastiness. Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:26:23 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >news:45E12B08.949F5316@netvigator.com... >> Pastor Frank wrote: >>> "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message snip >> >> I have told you countless times, there is no way of knowing what Christ >> ever >> said >> > Irrelevant! I'll remember that. What Jesus said, is irrelevant. >By your standards all authors living or dead are under suspicion of having >had their words edited over time etc. No Frank, not exactly, but closer to the truth, I'm sure, than you find comfortable. When you translate from one language to another, you get discrepancies. This is understandable, literal translations often make little sense, so the meaning has to be translated, instead of the actual words. But if, on the next translation, the words used in the first translation make sense, then those are the words that are used, even if they do not convey the original meaning. So any text that has been translated, especially from a translation, is going to be suspect. Then there is the translator's opinion, i.e, Jesus wouldn't have said that, or, wouldn't have said it that way, or whatever. There was no "official", version of the bible for the early translators to refer back to so there was o control. And yes, it can happen today with modern translation. Try it your self on Google, translate from say, English, to Greek, to German to English. The literal translation can be utter gibberish. >That's just as >likely as you being merely a semi literate impostor using the handle of the >REAL Bob Young who is far more intelligent than you appear to be. Did I blow >your cover, or did I? ROFL Can't resist, can you, Frank. Have to get your snide little insult in; don't you, Frank. Quote
Guest Chris Morris Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:j9s3u2hf0a598i0ru04n6cuo5988l2q49u@4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:27:44 -0500, "Chris Morris" > <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >> >>"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >>news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message >>>>news:fvb3u2t1t5bvee1q385taqu1jddpgct16b@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:22:14 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>>>news:45e0cae1$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>>> "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> snip >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the few >>>>>>>> that have been appropriate to the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Irrelevant. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> I really don't recall ever discussing them with you. >>>>> >>>>> You invited us to join in, by xposting to an atheist NG. >>>>> >>>>>>>>If you don't like people discussing their beliefs, you don't have >>>>>>>>to read these kinds of threads. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't like atheists deriding your superstition, them don't post >>>>> it to atheist NGs. >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free >>>>>>> speech >>>>>>> provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict >>>>>>> censorship >>>>>>> laws >>>>>>> for years. >>>>> >>>>> No he hasn't Frank, and you know it; So why do you lie about it? >>>>> >>>>> The constitution gives you freedom of speech, and Christopher, and >>>>> every other American atheist will fight to defend that. >>>>> >>>>> What they will fight against, is YOUR idea, that freedom of speech, >>>>> gives you the right to force your religious views on other peoples >>>>> children. >>>>> >>>>> While you do not want your children force fed, Islam, or Hinduism, or >>>>> Satanism, you complain like crazy when Hindus, or Muslims, or >>>>> Satanists, are protected by the same rules. >>>>> >>>>>>>But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, >>>>>>> he is making little headway. >>>>>> >>>>>>While I agree with you Christopher is a bit of menace to society, >>>>> >>>>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>>>> with you. >>>> >>>>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking >>>>first. >>> >>> And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to >>> put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your >>> beliefs were real, outside your religion. >> >>You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not think >>it >>means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell something >>that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many occasions. You >>are rude little impotent child who has no manners whatsoever. > > I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out > repeatedly, yet you persist with them. You make claims that I am lying about you yet you do not provide anything of substance to back these claims. Saying someone is a liar is not the same as showing it to be true. > And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more > personal nastiness. My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and ignorant attacks. Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:47:06 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > If you want to claim limited Biblical truth, you need to set the limit, >and who can do that? You seem to do pretty well, you have dismissed just about all of the OT. ....Unless it meets your immediate need. >Therefore it is better to regard the Bible as the >inerrant Word of almighty God in poetic format and therefore true by >definition. Quite wrong. What we should do, is dismiss the whole bible as fiction, until tangible evidence is presented to confirm it's accuracy. >The only error can occur in its interpretation. You don't even >have to be a great orator or lawyer to interpret the Bible as the authors >intended. I don't see how an orator, or lawyer, would be qualified to decide what the authors meant. Even biblical scholars can't agree what they meant. Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:13:27 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >Mere "convictions" don't count Make up your mind. You seem to think that your convictions count. Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >> with you. > >He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking first. > I don't think so. Just because he speaks his mind, does not mean that he does not read what you post. snip >> Oh dear. >> >> This isn't going to go down well, with Frank,or several other xtian >> fanatics in these groups. > >I never really cared what others thought when I speak my mind especially >when it is backed in the facts, history and the law. > No problem. Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:05 -0500, "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:j9s3u2hf0a598i0ru04n6cuo5988l2q49u@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:27:44 -0500, "Chris Morris" >> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >>>news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... >>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message >>>>>news:fvb3u2t1t5bvee1q385taqu1jddpgct16b@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:22:14 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:45e0cae1$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>>>> "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the few >>>>>>>>> that have been appropriate to the discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Irrelevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really don't recall ever discussing them with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> You invited us to join in, by xposting to an atheist NG. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If you don't like people discussing their beliefs, you don't have >>>>>>>>>to read these kinds of threads. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don't like atheists deriding your superstition, them don't post >>>>>> it to atheist NGs. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free >>>>>>>> speech >>>>>>>> provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict >>>>>>>> censorship >>>>>>>> laws >>>>>>>> for years. >>>>>> >>>>>> No he hasn't Frank, and you know it; So why do you lie about it? >>>>>> >>>>>> The constitution gives you freedom of speech, and Christopher, and >>>>>> every other American atheist will fight to defend that. >>>>>> >>>>>> What they will fight against, is YOUR idea, that freedom of speech, >>>>>> gives you the right to force your religious views on other peoples >>>>>> children. >>>>>> >>>>>> While you do not want your children force fed, Islam, or Hinduism, or >>>>>> Satanism, you complain like crazy when Hindus, or Muslims, or >>>>>> Satanists, are protected by the same rules. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, >>>>>>>> he is making little headway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>While I agree with you Christopher is a bit of menace to society, >>>>>> >>>>>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>>>>> with you. >>>>> >>>>>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking >>>>>first. >>>> >>>> And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to >>>> put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your >>>> beliefs were real, outside your religion. >>> >>>You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not think >>>it >>>means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell something >>>that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many occasions. You >>>are rude little impotent child who has no manners whatsoever. >> >> I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out >> repeatedly, yet you persist with them. > >You make claims that I am lying about you yet you do not provide anything of >substance to back these claims. Saying someone is a liar is not the same as >showing it to be true. You know that's not true. Or was it some other liar who accused us of "absolute certainty that the Divine doesn't exist" no matter how often we told him that we wouldn't give it a thought and only demanded he put up or shut up after he rudely and stupidly talked at us as though we shared his beliefs? >> And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more >> personal nastiness. > >My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and >ignorant attacks. What "unwarranted and ignorant attacks, liar? Stop stupidly and rudely begging the question to people you know don't share your beliefs. And there won't be demands that you put up or shut up. And shut up when you can't put up, instead of lying about those to whom you have begged the question. This has been pointed out so many times you're no longer funny. And you still keep doing it, pretending that it's not lying about us to our faces. And stop arrogantly rudely and repeatedly telling atheists what it means to be atheist, especially after you have been corrected. Which is also arrogantly, rudely, nastily lying about us to our` faces. And all because you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep your beliefs where they are appropriate. Quote
Guest Chris Morris Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message news:8644u21ebqmea92dc39s5m2eeti54nluhd@4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" > <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>> with you. >> >>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking first. >> > I don't think so. > Just because he speaks his mind, does not mean that he does not read > what you post. If he read it he would have been able to respnd with more than insults and and lies about my statements. It is either that or he is so enepted he can not argue his position. > snip >>> Oh dear. >>> >>> This isn't going to go down well, with Frank,or several other xtian >>> fanatics in these groups. >> >>I never really cared what others thought when I speak my mind especially >>when it is backed in the facts, history and the law. >> > > No problem. > Quote
Guest Chris Morris Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:f544u21pb6ofju7ctioju0ie6u309hgosr@4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:05 -0500, "Chris Morris" > <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >> >>"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >>news:j9s3u2hf0a598i0ru04n6cuo5988l2q49u@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:27:44 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >>>>news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... >>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:55:49 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message >>>>>>news:fvb3u2t1t5bvee1q385taqu1jddpgct16b@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:22:14 -0500, "Chris Morris" >>>>>>> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:45e0cae1$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>>>>> "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> snip >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the >>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>> that have been appropriate to the discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Irrelevant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really don't recall ever discussing them with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You invited us to join in, by xposting to an atheist NG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If you don't like people discussing their beliefs, you don't have >>>>>>>>>>to read these kinds of threads. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you don't like atheists deriding your superstition, them don't >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> it to atheist NGs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free >>>>>>>>> speech >>>>>>>>> provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict >>>>>>>>> censorship >>>>>>>>> laws >>>>>>>>> for years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No he hasn't Frank, and you know it; So why do you lie about it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The constitution gives you freedom of speech, and Christopher, and >>>>>>> every other American atheist will fight to defend that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What they will fight against, is YOUR idea, that freedom of speech, >>>>>>> gives you the right to force your religious views on other peoples >>>>>>> children. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While you do not want your children force fed, Islam, or Hinduism, >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> Satanism, you complain like crazy when Hindus, or Muslims, or >>>>>>> Satanists, are protected by the same rules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, >>>>>>>>> he is making little headway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>While I agree with you Christopher is a bit of menace to society, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >>>>>>> with you. >>>>>> >>>>>>He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking >>>>>>first. >>>>> >>>>> And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to >>>>> put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your >>>>> beliefs were real, outside your religion. >>>> >>>>You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not >>>>think >>>>it >>>>means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell something >>>>that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many occasions. >>>>You >>>>are rude little impotent child who has no manners whatsoever. >>> >>> I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out >>> repeatedly, yet you persist with them. >> >>You make claims that I am lying about you yet you do not provide anything >>of >>substance to back these claims. Saying someone is a liar is not the same >>as >>showing it to be true. > > You know that's not true. Or was it some other liar who accused us of > "absolute certainty that the Divine doesn't exist" no matter how often > we told him that we wouldn't give it a thought and only demanded he > put up or shut up after he rudely and stupidly talked at us as though > we shared his beliefs? Actually had you been paying attention it was in direct response to one of the folks who stated that God and the Divine do not exist, this is a statement of certainty. >>> And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more >>> personal nastiness. >> >>My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and >>ignorant attacks. > > What "unwarranted and ignorant attacks, liar? Instead of replying to what is posted you have contiued to accuse me of lying about your position even when I was not responding to anything you had said. In fact your first post came in response to my pointing out that Vernon was misrepresenting what an Atheist is and is not. > Stop stupidly and rudely begging the question to people you know don't > share your beliefs. And there won't be demands that you put up or shut > up. > > And shut up when you can't put up, instead of lying about those to > whom you have begged the question. When you post a an actual thought I will respnd all you have done is accuse me of things. > This has been pointed out so many times you're no longer funny. > > And you still keep doing it, pretending that it's not lying about us > to our faces. > > And stop arrogantly rudely and repeatedly telling atheists what it > means to be atheist, especially after you have been corrected. I have used the standard defintion of the term you have presented no alternative defintions only accusations. > Which is also arrogantly, rudely, nastily lying about us to our` > faces. > > And all because you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep > your beliefs where they are appropriate. This from someone that attacks out of knee-jerk reaction without thought or care that is very rich. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:IaWdnSNv9NU6dHzYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@adelphia.com... > > "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message snip >> ...But then, I imagine that applies to anyone who forcibly disagrees >> with you. > > He has a habit of attacking me without reading what he is attacking first. So fucking what? Killfile him or stop reading his posts. At the very least, grow the hell up and stop whining about it already. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:17:25 -0500, "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: > >"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >news:f544u21pb6ofju7ctioju0ie6u309hgosr@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:05 -0500, "Chris Morris" >> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >> You know that's not true. Or was it some other liar who accused us of >> "absolute certainty that the Divine doesn't exist" no matter how often >> we told him that we wouldn't give it a thought and only demanded he >> put up or shut up after he rudely and stupidly talked at us as though >> we shared his beliefs? > >Actually had you been paying attention it was in direct response to one of >the folks who stated that God and the Divine do not exist, this is a >statement of certainty. You need to learn to read for comprehension. But I won't hold my breath. >>>> And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more >>>> personal nastiness. >>> >>>My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and >>>ignorant attacks. >> >> What "unwarranted and ignorant attacks, liar? > >Instead of replying to what is posted you have contiued to accuse me of >lying about your position even when I was not responding to anything you had >said. In fact your first post came in response to my pointing out that >Vernon was misrepresenting what an Atheist is and is not. You did as well. Stop pretending. You might fool yourself because you have no idea what it means to an atheist to be one. But unfortunately for you, we do. After all, we're atheists. But you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to grant that we might actually know what we're talking about because we're describing ourselves. It takes an arrogant, nasty boor to dispute that instead of leaning from his mistake. >> Stop stupidly and rudely begging the question to people you know don't >> share your beliefs. And there won't be demands that you put up or shut >> up. >> >> And shut up when you can't put up, instead of lying about those to >> whom you have begged the question. > >When you post a an actual thought I will respnd all you have done is accuse >me of things. Translation you're a sociopath who won't accept that he does this. >> This has been pointed out so many times you're no longer funny. >> >> And you still keep doing it, pretending that it's not lying about us >> to our faces. >> >> And stop arrogantly rudely and repeatedly telling atheists what it >> means to be atheist, especially after you have been corrected. > >I have used the standard defintion of the term you have presented no >alternative defintions only accusations. Stop lying. 1. The "Standard" definition is wrong because it's supposed to be the description of our point of view. We get to tell you what that is, not some dictionary compiled by somebody for whom our actual position can't exist. But you haven't the courtesy to correct your "mistake" subsequently. 2. Several of have us have given you definitions, and you've even repeated them. But then extrapolated to "conclusions" that don't follow which can only be put down to your abysmal skills in logic in order to "justify" what is no longer an honest mistake. 3. We're people who aren't theist. You've been told this several times, so why lie yet again, this time about not being given definitions? 4. As such we can't be described by presumptions that have basis outside theistic religion. Which you have also been told several times 5. A consequence of this which can also be considered a definition even though it singles out one specific belief we don't have, is that we don't believe in any god or gods. Another definition you have been given, so why do you pretend you haven't been given any? >> Which is also arrogantly, rudely, nastily lying about us to our` >> faces. >> >> And all because you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep >> your beliefs where they are appropriate. > > >This from someone that attacks out of knee-jerk reaction without thought or >care that is very rich. So "prove it" after you have begged the question you repeatedly cop out of answering, when it's meant as "put up or shut up", is a knee-jerk reaction without thought or care" on your planet? Like far too many theists you imagine your religion exempts you from normal courtesy and common sense. You knew you were cross-posting to an atheist audience. And you didn't care that we don't believe what you do. So by golly you were going to talk about it as though it were universally granted. Quote
Guest bob young Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 Dubh Ghall wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:26:23 +0800, "Pastor Frank" > <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > > >"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message > >news:45E12B08.949F5316@netvigator.com... > >> Pastor Frank wrote: > >>> "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message > snip > >> > >> I have told you countless times, there is no way of knowing what Christ > >> ever > >> said > >> > > Irrelevant! > > I'll remember that. What Jesus said, is irrelevant. > > >By your standards all authors living or dead are under suspicion of having > >had their words edited over time etc. > > No Frank, not exactly, but closer to the truth, I'm sure, than you > find comfortable. > > When you translate from one language to another, you get > discrepancies. > This is understandable, literal translations often make little sense, > so the meaning has to be translated, instead of the actual words. > But if, on the next translation, the words used in the first > translation make sense, then those are the words that are used, even > if they do not convey the original meaning. > > So any text that has been translated, especially from a translation, > is going to be suspect. > > Then there is the translator's opinion, i.e, Jesus wouldn't have said > that, or, wouldn't have said it that way, or whatever. > > There was no "official", version of the bible for the early > translators to refer back to so there was o control. > > And yes, it can happen today with modern translation. > > Try it your self on Google, translate from say, English, to Greek, to > German to English. The literal translation can be utter gibberish. > > >That's just as > >likely as you being merely a semi literate impostor using the handle of the > >REAL Bob Young who is far more intelligent than you appear to be. Did I blow > >your cover, or did I? ROFL > > Can't resist, can you, Frank. > > Have to get your snide little insult in; don't you, Frank. Could that be the sign of a 'loser' ? Quote
Guest Viewpoints & Health Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:g0ppt2l3q08bc4b90dg6i19ivn7t1il15o@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Christopher A.Lee > > <calee@optonline.net> wrote: > >>On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:29:04 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> > >>wrote: > >>>"Padraic Brown" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>news:67kkt255767b21pl9a9p2rgd76e0n3gfoa@4ax.com... > >>>> On 19 Feb 2007 16:35:32 -0800, "flightlessvacuum" > >>>> <flightlessvacuumster@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>On Feb 20, 12:46 pm, Padraic Brown <elemti...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Also, you are once again falling into your usual trap of fixation on > >>>>>> the negative. One would think you're really a Moslem or something, > >>>>>> trying to prosletyse your own religion over others. Oh, that's right! > >>>>>> You're an Atheist trying to prosletyse your religion over others. > >>>>> > >>>>>Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. > >>>> > >>>> Apples and oranges, really. A real atheist wouldn't even engage in the > >>>> above kind of nonsense. There would be no need for him to continually > >>>> press the point that there is no God nor would there be a need for him > >>>> to continually try to disparage the beliefs of others. For Bill M, his > >>>> "atheism" is faith of a curious kind. > >>> > >>>In your idiotic 'opinion' just like your religion! > >> > >>He's paranoid. We don't "disparage the beliefs of others". > > > > Paranoid? THat's a laugh. Go study the definition of "paranoid" to > > learn what it really means. As a group, "atheists" _do_ disparage the > > beliefs of others. You yourself provide a good example of this. Review > > how many times the beliefs of others have been called "delusional" or > > "moronic" in the last couple weeks. > > > >> Like most > >>theists he has neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep his > >>beliefs to himself. > > > > You have absolutely no clue what my beliefs are, apart from the few > > that have been appropriate to the discussion. I really don't recall > > ever discussing them with you. If you don't like people discussing > > their beliefs, you don't have to read these kinds of threads. > > > Christopher has been agitating for the abolition of the free speech > provision in the constitution and the imposition of strict censorship laws > for years. But praise the Lord, apart from outlawing religion in schools, he > is making little headway. > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com The American government still has a complete ban on Christianity in all the schools and for all counseling in America. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:yLudnZZ8s8yQenzYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@adelphia.com... > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > news:45e15f29$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >> news:45E12B08.949F5316@netvigator.com... >>> Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1172081769.902448.177620@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >>>> > On Feb 20, 11:55 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>> >> "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> >> news:1171932846.054146.59080@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... >>>> >> > On Feb 19, 3:46 pm, Padraic Brown <elemti...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, >>>> >> >> >contradictions, >>>> >> >> >human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, >>>> >> >> >destruction, >>>> >> >> >barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history >>>> >> >> >and >>>> >> >> >certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane >>>> >> >> >and >>>> >> >> >totally untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction. >>>> >> >>>> >> >> There's a lot of good ethical and moral foundation in there, too, >>>> >> >> but >>>> >> >> you always leave that sort of thing out of your diatribes. The >>>> >> >> myths >>>> >> >> are generally inspiring, often teaching good behaviour traits and >>>> >> >> are >>>> >> >> usually engaging stories. The Bible isn't intended to be >>>> >> >> "accurate >>>> >> >> history". On the whole, it is actually pretty good fiction. There >>>> >> >> is a >>>> >> >> fairly recent retelling of the Bible's subtext (Richard Elliott >>>> >> >> Friedman's "The Hidden Book in the Bible"); once you get away >>>> >> >> from the Bible as a Bible and look at it as literature, even a >>>> >> >> Bible-fixated >>>> >> >> "atheist" such as yourself can enjoy what merits it offers. >>>> >> >>>> >> > As an atheist who loves literaure, I had to read the Bible in >>>> >> > order to understand all the references. This is just my opinion, >>>> >> > but if you're telling me the Bible is good fiction (I agree that >>>> >> > it's fiction) then >>>> >> > Celine DIon is a good singer. I realize it's ancient writing, and >>>> >> > as >>>> >> > such holds a certain historical interest, but I think the writing >>>> >> > is >>>> >> > generally strident, contradictory, repetitive, and boring when >>>> >> > it's >>>> >> > not psychedelically weird. I think there are many examples of >>>> >> > earlier >>>> >> > and better writing from other cultures than the Bible. Homer, >>>> >> > Gilgamesh, Monkey (from China), just to name a few. >>>> >> >>>> >> How can you "love literature" and miss the extraordinary >>>> >> Philosophy >>>> >> of life explained and demonstrated by Jesus Christ entirely? >>>> > >>>> > I didn't miss it, Frank, I just wan't impressed. Jesus seemed like a >>>> > prissy prick to me. And read Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not A >>>> > Christian" for some criticisms into the character of Jesus Christ, he >>>> > said it far better than I ever could. Give me the philosophy of life >>>> > explained and demonstrated by Shakespeare any day. >>>> > And I do love literature. How can you bury your nose in the Bible and >>>> > never experience the writings of Jane Austen, Laurence Sterne, >>>> > Fielding, TS Eliot, Homer, Faulkner, and plenty of other brilliant >>>> > authors far superior to the anally retentive goatherders with an >>>> > agenda who conjured up the Bible? >>>> >>>> Those are required reading at most schools, and none of their >>>> authors >>>> are much into philosophy. Shakespeare did hit upon one important part >>>> of the >>>> puzzle of life when he said: Life is of the stuff dreams are made of. >>>> But >>>> most authors follow the ancient Greek tradition of illustrating the >>>> lives of >>>> fate driven people, who act in the throws of their own folly. >>>> Christ is altogether different and what He said deals with how >>>> people >>>> feel about things. >>> >>> I have told you countless times, there is no way of knowing what Christ >>> ever >>> said >>> >> Irrelevant! By your standards all authors living or dead are under >> suspicion of having had their words edited over time etc. That's just as >> likely as you being merely a semi literate impostor using the handle of >> the REAL Bob Young who is far more intelligent than you appear to be. Did >> I blow your cover, or did I? ROFL > > Actually Frank in the Ancient world this was a well known problem and if > you read the Bible carefully you will even see it mentioned in the > passages. Scribes often changed the original authors words when they were > copying them. I see lot of assertions but no evidence. Are you claiming to be inerrant like the popes perhaps, who don't need any evidence for their statements? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:Es2dnfLHFb3_enzYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@adelphia.com... > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > news:45e15f30$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message >> news:I6udnWggIOTwzXzYnZ2dnUVZ_q6vnZ2d@adelphia.com... >>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>> news:45e0f807$0$16342$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>> "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message >>>> news:v4qdnbBhSfKbeH3YnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@adelphia.com... >>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message >>>>> news:45e0caed$0$16340$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>> "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:37mdnVHEvvfulELYnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d@adelphia.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most Christians do not make the Spiritual Error of believing they >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> know the full will of the Divine by reading a book written by men >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> men of a long distant time. They look for the Divine message that >>>>>>> speaks >>>>>>> to the heart and the soul and not to words written on the page that >>>>>>> hide >>>>>>> the Divine Truths. >>>>>> >>>>>> Communications, despite its limitations are part of the divine >>>>>> plan. >>>>> >>>>> It helps to not confuse our desires with the Divine will. >>>> >>>> What divine will? You mean the one expressed through scripture? Or >>>> do >>>> you claim to have a direct line to God, needing no books? >>> >>> No book is needed to know the teachings of the Divine. Pagans have no >>> sacred or Divinely inspired writings and yet we have always known the >>> Truths that your Jesus passed down to you. Love is the fulfillment of >>> the Law has been known to us since the beginning. I suggest you take the >>> advice as written in Job 12:7-10, I know many Pagans including myself >>> are familiar with and agree with the sentiments within it. >>> "But ask the Beasts, and they shall teach thee: and the fowls and the >>> air, and they shall tell thee: Or Speak to the earth, and it shall teach >>> thee, and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not >>> in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand >>> is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of mankind?" >>> Also in Jeremiah 8:7: >>> "Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the >>> turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; >>> but many people know not the judgment of the Lord." >>> This clearly speaks to the fact that the text is not needed to discover >>> the will of the Divine you merely must look and listen with your Spirit >>> and your Heart the spiritual wisdom there is to be found if you are >>> willing to listen. >> >> You sound like another Jim Jones or Koresh looking for converts. We >> born-again Christians would rather hold fast to the inerrant Word of God >> as found in our NT Bibles. > > And yet when someone shows you the words in the Bible you refuse to listen > to the plain written word though you claim it is without error. Are you lying for atheism with your false accusations sans evidence? Refuse to listen" indeed!!!! > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 On 26 Feb 2007 04:44:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote: > > >Dubh Ghall wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:26:23 +0800, "Pastor Frank" >> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> >> >"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message >> >news:45E12B08.949F5316@netvigator.com... >> >> Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>> "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> snip >> >> >> >> I have told you countless times, there is no way of knowing what Christ >> >> ever >> >> said >> >> >> > Irrelevant! >> >> I'll remember that. What Jesus said, is irrelevant. >> >> >By your standards all authors living or dead are under suspicion of having >> >had their words edited over time etc. >> >> No Frank, not exactly, but closer to the truth, I'm sure, than you >> find comfortable. >> >> When you translate from one language to another, you get >> discrepancies. >> This is understandable, literal translations often make little sense, >> so the meaning has to be translated, instead of the actual words. >> But if, on the next translation, the words used in the first >> translation make sense, then those are the words that are used, even >> if they do not convey the original meaning. >> >> So any text that has been translated, especially from a translation, >> is going to be suspect. >> >> Then there is the translator's opinion, i.e, Jesus wouldn't have said >> that, or, wouldn't have said it that way, or whatever. >> >> There was no "official", version of the bible for the early >> translators to refer back to so there was o control. >> >> And yes, it can happen today with modern translation. >> >> Try it your self on Google, translate from say, English, to Greek, to >> German to English. The literal translation can be utter gibberish. >> >> >That's just as >> >likely as you being merely a semi literate impostor using the handle of the >> >REAL Bob Young who is far more intelligent than you appear to be. Did I blow >> >your cover, or did I? ROFL >> >> Can't resist, can you, Frank. >> >> Have to get your snide little insult in; don't you, Frank. > >Could that be the sign of a 'loser' ? > In Frank's case; Beyond doubt. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:6eSdnW4dOP7fcnzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@adelphia.com... > "Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message > news:0hq3u25bf24a018uev0b3pc0o20e8lagbb@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:02:03 -0500, "Chris Morris" >> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> >>>No book is needed to know the teachings of the Divine. Pagans have no >>>sacred or Divinely inspired writings >> >> Define pagan. > > I have a faith that is Pre-Christian in my case my family never converted > to Christianity as most of the people of Europe did in the past. Being > Pagan is a belief in the Divine forces that exist in all of Nature we > follow the changing of the seasons with rituals that mark those changes > and honor those who have gone before us. We believe in reincarnation with > many lives lived in order to learn the Spiritual lessons that will allow > us to reunite with the with the Divine. The Divine is the force that binds > the universe together and is neither male nor female. We give honor to the > Divine through the God and Goddess who are the intermediary aspects of the > Divine that we can relate to on a more personal basis and more directly > and through whom as they are closer to the Divine than we are selves are , > but still accessible easier for us to comprehend. Being Pagan means > knowing that the walls between the physical and the spiritual world are > illusion as is time itself creations that man has put in place for and by > his own mind. We accept that not all paths are the same for all people we > must all find that which is right and works for ourselves. Also we do not > believe it is possible to come to our path unless you chose to, no one can > be forced and no one can be recruited. Each must find the path that is > best suited for their own needs. Though basically true, love is the fuel that makes this engine go, and to that purpose Christ was born. The loveless life is hell, and wherever love reigns is the Kingdom of heaven. There is just no denying this basic fact. See below Pastor Frank CHRIST'S COMMANDMENTS ALL EXHORT US TO LOVE Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command..." Jesus in John 14:21-24 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me." Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. 1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." 1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE. 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:ueydnbuTweq_bHzYnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@adelphia.com... > "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:l4r3u2h3n4ddj313p61i17ivn6e4ndhp6g@4ax.com... >> >> And you carry on with your habit of lying about those who tell you to >> put up or shut up when you rudely and stupidly talk as though your >> beliefs were real, outside your religion. > > You throw the word lie and liar about a great deal and yet I do not think > it means what you think it means. To lie is to intentionally tell > something that is not true, I have not done so, but you have on many > occasions. You are rude little impotent child who has no manners > whatsoever. It's a favourite refuting tactic of atheists who play Satan's minions. It's aim is to stop people from talking about, if not promoting Jesus Christ. The official atheist agenda is to promote freedom FROM religion, where expressing any kind of belief is against the law. Therefore calling you a liar is not meant personally, it's just a means to an end. I know this for a fact, because I was an atheist most of my life. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:j9s3u2hf0a598i0ru04n6cuo5988l2q49u@4ax.com... > > And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more > personal nastiness. > Quote the evidence Chris, or quit chanting your stupid mantras already, about every non-atheist being a nasty liar. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:O42dne4KF_Vfl3_YnZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@adelphia.com... > "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:j9s3u2hf0a598i0ru04n6cuo5988l2q49u@4ax.com... >> >> I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out >> repeatedly, yet you persist with them. > > You make claims that I am lying about you yet you do not provide anything > of substance to back these claims. Saying someone is a liar is not the > same as showing it to be true. > >> And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more >> personal nastiness. > > My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and > ignorant attacks. As you can see from this exchange they got you where they want you, ..in the arena of personal recriminations and AWAY from mentioning the name above all names, Jesus the Christ, our most holy and glorious Lord and Saviour. I would suggest, you keep mentioning Jesus till they join you in praise and worship or go ballistic and implode. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:f544u21pb6ofju7ctioju0ie6u309hgosr@4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:05 -0500, "Chris Morris" > <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote: >> >>My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and >>ignorant attacks. > > What "unwarranted and ignorant attacks, liar? > Stop stupidly and rudely begging the question to people you know don't > share your beliefs. And there won't be demands that you put up or shut > up. > And shut up when you can't put up, instead of lying about those to > whom you have begged the question. > This has been pointed out so many times you're no longer funny. > And you still keep doing it, pretending that it's not lying about us > to our faces. > And stop arrogantly rudely and repeatedly telling atheists what it > means to be atheist, especially after you have been corrected. > Which is also arrogantly, rudely, nastily lying about us to our` > faces. > And all because you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep > your beliefs where they are appropriate. > ROFL Found yourself another one to boss around, hey Christopher? ...."stop" this and "stop" that and STOP everything indeed!!!!!. Read up on the free speech provisions in the constitution and get used to it. If you need help to heal your apoplectic fits, ask Jesus, for He is the supreme physician. Btw a.a. is not the save haven for disbelievers you want it to be, but the place to talk ABOUT atheism. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:jp64u2176nbkfj6p29pmbp6r7emd29ocl7@4ax.com... > > You knew you were cross-posting to an atheist audience. And you didn't > care that we don't believe what you do. So by golly you were going to > talk about it as though it were universally granted. > Christ IS "universally" applicable. There is no culture unfamiliar with love and it's life-giving properties, and Jesus is the chief advocate of love, for everyone of His commandments contains that word. His life and death emphasises love as being the single most important motivator for good known to man. And let's face it, the loveless life isn't a life worth living. See below Pastor Frank CHRIST'S COMMANDMENTS ALL EXHORT US TO LOVE Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command..." Jesus in John 14:21-24 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me." Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. 1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." 1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE. 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:28:51 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > Christ IS "universally" applicable. There is no culture unfamiliar with >love and it's life-giving properties, What "life-giving properties", Frank? >and Jesus is the chief advocate of >love, for everyone of His commandments contains that word. LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. That one doesn't. >His life and >death emphasises love as being the single most important motivator for good >known to man. I see. He loved stealing donkeys, and cursing trees. > And let's face it, the loveless life isn't a life worth living. I am sure that you are more familiar with that, than we. Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:46:28 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > I would suggest, you keep mentioning Jesus till they join you in praise >and worship or go ballistic and implode. Or kill file him, because he ain't funny any more. Quote
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