Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:37:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: > Quote the evidence Chris, The way you do, Frank? Quote
Guest Dubh Ghall Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:33:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote: >The official atheist agenda is to promote freedom FROM religion, A half truth; I'll bet that set your teeth on edge. >where expressing any kind of belief is against the law. And a total lie. Quote
Guest Sam Taylor Posted March 1, 2007 Posted March 1, 2007 Your first mistake is thinking the bible or scripture is the Foundation of christianity. The Foundation is "Historic Christianity" and as much of scripture that agrees with Historic Chistianity. This is from constantine onword, and the Few philosophers that, they could find that agreed with, the doctorines that they desired to preach. CHRISTIANITY is NOT based upon the Bible. Quote
Guest The Nolalu Barn Owl Posted March 1, 2007 Posted March 1, 2007 On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: >Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles. Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles. - Gordie 'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory. However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and, after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.' http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp Quote
Guest Vigyazat Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 From The Nolalu Barn Owl: > Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles. Not even that, really. Personally, I know a fair number of Protestants for whom the Bible is secondary to God - valuable metaphor and guidance, but still secondary. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect of a Christian, but it doesn't seem to be a common attitude round here. Quote
Guest Pastor Dave Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl <gordie@nolalu.on.ca> claimed: >>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles. > >Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles. Correction -- Christians base their faith in Christ. And they believe that the Bible is the word of God. -- It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed out that the words they claim, are not found in the Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just don't have the special understanding that is required to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only today, can we understand these special keys and have placed themselves not only above their fellow man, but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who clearly stated that they were the ones who were given the key to understanding the mysteries and were revealing them to the churches. And yet, these people would have us believe that they were liars! That is the only conclusion that one can draw, when they claim that it is only today that we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore, lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they wrote, but really had no clue what they were talking about. This happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism! Quote
Guest Pastor Dave Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl <gordie@nolalu.on.ca> claimed: >'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross > that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together > in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory. > However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by > proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since > Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that > he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and, > after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet > ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise > was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.' >http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp What it proves, is a state other than Heaven, which is not purgatory, since Jesus called it, "paradise" and that description certainly does not fit Purgatory! -- It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed out that the words they claim, are not found in the Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just don't have the special understanding that is required to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only today, can we understand these special keys and have placed themselves not only above their fellow man, but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who clearly stated that they were the ones who were given the key to understanding the mysteries and were revealing them to the churches. And yet, these people would have us believe that they were liars! That is the only conclusion that one can draw, when they claim that it is only today that we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore, lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they wrote, but really had no clue what they were talking about. This happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism! Quote
Guest Pastor Dave Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, >The Nolalu Barn Owl claimed: > >>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles. > >Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their >faith on the Bibles. Thank you for admitting that you trust your Pope over the word of God. This is especially funny, considering that Popes are said to be "infallible in matters of faith and morals" (when speaking "ex cathedra") and yet, have contradicted each other more than once. Oh, hey, but don't worry, when that happens, they just call the earlier Pope an "anti-Pope". Now of course, this begs the question... "What about all those people who followed that previous Popes' instructions regarding that matter of faith and morals?" Oh, but don't worry, they're safe, because God doesn't hold it against them, right? After all, they did it in ignorance, right? This also is especially funny, since that isn't a valid excuse, since God says, "Hey, dudes, ya had the Bible and all you had to do, was crack it open, instead of following some guy in a funny hat and treating him like he's me!". <chuckle> And what's even funnier, is that throughout that entire reign of that "anti-Pope", Roman Catholics were telling those darn Protestants how wrong they were. Whoops! <chuckle> But hey RCC'ers, don't worry, you'll get your turn, because hey, the Pope you worship now, just may turn out to be an anti-Pope, since at some point, some Pope will disagree with him and call him an "anti-Pope"! I do have a question though... Since the Catholics say that a Pope can live a disgustingly immoral life and still be speaking infallibly when "ex cathedra" ("in the chair of Peter"), how is it that he could ever be called "anti-Pope"? As I said, a Pope can live an extremely vulgar and disgustingly immoral life and still be infallible in matters of faith and morals, so how could he ever be wrong, so that someone could call him "anti-Pope"? Huh?!? What?!? And before you respond, do yourself a favor and don't try to bullsh t your way through! I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and spent years studying the religion in depth. What I stated is fact! So you guys go ahead and worship the Pope, while claiming not to and yet, one must kneel before him and kiss his ring and treat him like royalty. This is something Jesus never asked for and is a 180 degree turn from what Jesus preached, even while washing the feet of His disciples! And why does the Pope desire that people do this sort of thing, while kneeling before him, when Peter, the guy you falsely claim was your first Pope (and no, I won't allow you to ignore this whole post and try to argue that point instead), rejected the idea of men kneeling before him and certainly he would have been far more qualified than anyone else you can name, aside from Christ Himself! "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." - Acts 10:25-26 But you go ahead and try to twist that around! (: -- It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed out that the words they claim, are not found in the Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just don't have the special understanding that is required to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only today, can we understand these special keys and have placed themselves not only above their fellow man, but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who clearly stated that they were the ones who were given the key to understanding the mysteries and were revealing them to the churches. And yet, these people would have us believe that they were liars! That is the only conclusion that one can draw, when they claim that it is only today that we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore, lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they wrote, but really had no clue what they were talking about. This happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism! Quote
Guest Pastor Dave Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Correction: My response should have been direct at "The Nolalu Barn Owl". My apologies, "Bill M". -- It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed out that the words they claim, are not found in the Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just don't have the special understanding that is required to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only today, can we understand these special keys and have placed themselves not only above their fellow man, but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who clearly stated that they were the ones who were given the key to understanding the mysteries and were revealing them to the churches. And yet, these people would have us believe that they were liars! That is the only conclusion that one can draw, when they claim that it is only today that we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore, lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they wrote, but really had no clue what they were talking about. This happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism! Quote
Guest Chris Morris Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 "Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:8tafu2lhsgadnavd8bjv08okkvn4qfcnia@4ax.com... > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" > <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Christian Hate Speech snipped. Do you still believe in the Trinity? Do you only use the books of the Bible in the present form? Do you celebrate Easter and Christmas? These were all decided by the Catholic Church. Are you a Jew or a Gentile? Jesus told his followers to preach only to the Jews. Quote
Guest Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:43:07 -0800, in article <hoafu2l71f8fn397lg5061otv1cc5c9d2h@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl ><gordie@nolalu.on.ca> >claimed: > > >>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles. >> >>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles. > >Correction -- Christians base their faith in Christ. >And they believe that the Bible is the word of God. Correction: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Rom. 10:17). No unregenerate person has saving faith in the first place. It has to be given to them, and that comes by hearing the gospel proclaimed. -- Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead. Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9). Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Vigyazat wrote: > From The Nolalu Barn Owl: > > >>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles. > > > Not even that, really. Personally, I know a fair number of Protestants for > whom the Bible is secondary to God - valuable metaphor and guidance, but > still secondary. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect of a Christian, > but it doesn't seem to be a common attitude round here. ===>Hol van "here"??? -- L. Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Pastor Dave wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl > <gordie@nolalu.on.ca> > claimed: > > > >>'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross >>that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together >>in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory. >> However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by >>proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since >>Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that >>he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and, >>after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet >>ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise >>was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.' >>http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp > > > What it proves, is a state other than Heaven, > which is not purgatory, since Jesus called it, > "paradise" and that description certainly does > not fit Purgatory! ===>Of course not. It comes from Persian ZOROASTRIANISM, as does most of the Christian religion. -- L. Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Pastor Dave wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" > <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, >>The Nolalu Barn Owl claimed: >> >> >>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles. >> >>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their >>faith on the Bibles. > > > Thank you for admitting that you trust your Pope > over the word of God. This is especially funny, > considering that Popes are said to be "infallible > in matters of faith and morals" (when speaking > "ex cathedra") and yet, have contradicted each > other more than once. ===>If he were "infallible", he would declare that it is a LIE to call the Bible the "Word of God". He knows better, anyway, even if he does not say so. -- L. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 "Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:01cfu21g2k279hinitaf6h36facn2qdt1h@4ax.com... > > Correction: My response should have been direct at > "The Nolalu Barn Owl". My apologies, "Bill M". > It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible > through their doctrines and their doctrines become > absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated > and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their > doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed > out that the words they claim, are not found in the > Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just > don't have the special understanding that is required > to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only > today, can we understand these special keys and have > placed themselves not only above their fellow man, > but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who > clearly stated that they were the ones who were > given the key to understanding the mysteries and > were revealing them to the churches. And yet, > these people would have us believe that they were > liars! That is the only conclusion that one can > draw, when they claim that it is only today that > we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't > that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore, > lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they > wrote, but really had no clue what they were > talking about. This happens because so many > believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't > all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism! > No need to "understand the mysteries of the Bible as revealed to the churches". It's enough we repent and devotedly follow Christ in love and faith. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Vigyazat Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 From Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth>: > ===>Hol van "here"??? Pardon? Quote
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