Guest Bill M Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and which are fakes? How do go about authenticating what God is real? Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? Quote
Guest Mettas Mother Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 It is so simple! Take DNA samples from all the GODs and compare them and find the master DNA and the rest will be descendents! Then give the master GOD a cell phone to which you could call to communicate! "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and > which are fakes? > > How do go about authenticating what God is real? > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? > > Quote
Guest Les Hemmings Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 ..... spoil the wroth! ;o) Null question. They're all imaginary! Les -- Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct. "Oh Bother!" said the Borg, "We've assimilated Pooh!" "That's 10 times I've explained binary to you. I won't tell you a 3rd time!" http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/ http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA Quote
Guest Ghod Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and > which are fakes? > > How do go about authenticating what God is real? > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? But I _do_! Why don't you believe in me? Quote
Guest Mark Earnest Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and > which are fakes? Trial and error? > > How do go about authenticating what God is real? They're all real. The question is: which one is right for you? > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? He does. Haven't you talked to God today? You probably walked right by him and didn't even say hello, now did you? Quote
Guest Neil Kelsey Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 On Feb 21, 2:36 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... > > > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and > > which are fakes? > > Trial and error? > > > > > How do go about authenticating what God is real? > > They're all real. The question is: which one is right for you? > > > > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? > > He does. > Haven't you talked to God today? > You probably walked right by him and didn't even say hello, now did you? The problem with your replies here is that you're serious. Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net: > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? > > There's no signal in Heaven. -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department Convicted by Earthquack Plonked by Fester Quote
Guest Pies de Arcilla Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > The problem with your replies here is that you're serious If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something. Quote
Guest Neil Kelsey Posted February 21, 2007 Posted February 21, 2007 On Feb 21, 3:10 pm, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The problem with your replies here is that you're serious > > If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, > then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. I lack belief in god anyway, so it's impossible to believe he talks to anybody. The people I talk to that claim they've communicated with god just confirm my opinion, since every last one of them is loopy beyond words. > However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally > considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something. Certified as Saints or not, I think they're either con artists or they're mad. Have you had any conversations with Mark? He seems like the latter to me. Quote
Guest Jim07D7 Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> said: >"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in >news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net: > > >> >> Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? >> >> > >There's no signal in Heaven. Extra-dimensional roaming charges are out of this world. Quote
Guest e Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 this is billm'S RECYCLED POSTING, ABOUT EVERY MONTH OR SO. "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and which are fakes? > > How do go about authenticating what God is real? > > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? > Quote
Guest Richo Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 On Feb 22, 8:36 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and > which are fakes? > The real ones can be interacted with somehow - you can see them for example. "Fake " gods are ones that people only pretend to believe in. I think "fake" gods are an extreme rarity (I cant think of any off hand) - people are genuine in their beliefs. Imaginary gods (as oppossed to fake ones) are very common. > How do go about authenticating what God is real? > The same way you would authenticate a tree or a teaspoon or a planet. Thats is how I would do it. > Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? "The real God" ??? There is no "The real God". There is no "The real Zeus" The word god is the name of a class of things and God is a proper noun, that is the name of a particular god - just as Emperor Augustus is the name of a particular god. I am certain I have explained all this before - are you incapable of learning? Mark. Quote
Guest Uncle Vic Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> bloodied us up with this: > On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> The problem with your replies here is that you're serious > > If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, > then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. He doesn't, because he doesn't exist. > > However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally > considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something. > Their delusions drive them to hallucination. -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department. Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester. Member Duke Spanking Club. Quote
Guest Mark Earnest Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128... > One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> > bloodied us up with this: > > > On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> The problem with your replies here is that you're serious > > > > If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, > > then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. > > He doesn't, because he doesn't exist. How can someone not exist? > > > > > However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally > > considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something. > > > > Their delusions drive them to hallucination. Hallucination is vaporous and whispy, like smoke. That is not the case here. Quote
double helix Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 The real ones can be interacted with somehow - you can see them for example. "Fake " gods are ones that people only pretend to believe in. I think "fake" gods are an extreme rarity (I cant think of any off hand) - people are genuine in their beliefs. Imaginary gods (as oppossed to fake ones) are very common. Give me some of what your smoking! Quote
Guest Jim07D7 Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> said: > >"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message >news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128... >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> >> bloodied us up with this: >> >> > On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> The problem with your replies here is that you're serious >> > >> > If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, >> > then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. >> >> He doesn't, because he doesn't exist. > >How can someone not exist? Look at: http://www.answers.com/topic/absent-referent Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:12tq1a7ijerjo49@corp.supernews.com... > > "Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message > news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128... >> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> >> bloodied us up with this: >> >> > On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> The problem with your replies here is that you're serious >> > >> > If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you, >> > then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody. >> >> He doesn't, because he doesn't exist. > > How can someone not exist? That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Bill M Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote in message news:%s5Dh.8780$pe4.3504@newsfe06.phx... > this is billm'S RECYCLED POSTING, ABOUT EVERY MONTH OR SO. And your EVIDENCE for this dishonest Christian assertion is??? > "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net... >> There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and >> which are fakes? >> >> How do go about authenticating what God is real? >> >> Why does not the real God directly communicate with us? >> > > > Quote
Guest Pies de Arcilla Posted February 24, 2007 Posted February 24, 2007 On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination. You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not possessed by the conscious mind. You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and skeptical. Quote
Guest Bill M Posted February 25, 2007 Posted February 25, 2007 Go see a psychiatrist. You are hallucinating again! "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1172353272.422428.195700@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination. > > You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You > can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them > away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same > thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can > appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not > possessed by the conscious mind. > > You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to > themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it > could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and > skeptical. > Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 Indeed. All gods are created in the minds of believers. A different one in each mind. -- L. Quote
Guest Pies de Arcilla Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 On Feb 25, 4:20 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Go see a psychiatrist. You are hallucinating again! That's a non-sequitur. Voices seem real. I didn't say they _are_ real. Also, please stop top-posting. Quote
Guest Neil Kelsey Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 On Feb 24, 1:41 pm, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination. > > You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You > can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them > away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same > thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can > appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not > possessed by the conscious mind. > > You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to > themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it > could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and > skeptical. The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the imagination sits. The voices are imagined, no matter how real they seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and sister are both schizophrenic). Robyn's not being smart or clever (at least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's nothing wrong with what she said. Quote
Guest Pies de Arcilla Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 On Feb 26, 11:49 am, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the > person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most > accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney > that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the > imagination sits. The language is what it is. I still feel that the connotation of voices being a part of the self is fundamentally false. >The voices are imagined, no matter how real they > seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and > sister are both schizophrenic). Ah, I see you don't know what "firsthand" means. >Robyn's not being smart or clever (at > least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's > nothing wrong with what she said. If you say "imagine a unicorn", I can say ok and imagine it. Then if you say imagine it has antlers like a deer, I can imagine that too, at will. Voices or hallucinations are not like that, and saying that they are "product of someone's imagination" implies to me they are under the sort of control and have the quality of self-ownership that your imagination normally is and does. Quote
Guest Neil Kelsey Posted February 26, 2007 Posted February 26, 2007 On Feb 26, 10:24 am, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 26, 11:49 am, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the > > person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most > > accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney > > that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the > > imagination sits. > > The language is what it is. I still feel that the connotation of > voices being a part of the self is fundamentally false. What, you think they originate from outside the person? So the invisible government agents hiding in the garden taking notes on these mentally ill people are real? > >The voices are imagined, no matter how real they > > seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and > > sister are both schizophrenic). > > Ah, I see you don't know what "firsthand" means. Pedantic twit. I've been there with them while they're hearing voices. It's not like someone told me they were hearing voices, I saw for myself. That's firsthand. > >Robyn's not being smart or clever (at > > least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's > > nothing wrong with what she said. > > If you say "imagine a unicorn", I can say ok and imagine it. Then if > you say imagine it has antlers like a deer, I can imagine that too, at > will. Voices or hallucinations are not like that, and saying that they > are "product of someone's imagination" implies to me they are under > the sort of control and have the quality of self-ownership that your > imagination normally is and does. Either the voices are manufactured by the hearer or they're real. If they are manufactured by the hearer then they are imagining them. If they are imagining them then they can be said to be a product of the imagination. You are fairly pedantic, aren't you? Quote
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