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Patriot Games wrote:

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>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

>>> Try to get a grip...

>>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

>>> won't be missed.

>>> Brits represent almost one percent...

>> Of course, at the beginning republicans touted every single member

>> of the coalition of the duped as crucially important, especially

>> when it was remarked how utterly puny it was compared to poppy's. lol

>

> But what's your point?

 

 

Wow, you are dumb.

 

Bush, the father, had a large effective alliance

bush,jr, the lesser, has a make believe "Coalition of the willing"

 

Spanish no longer willing

Italians no longer willing

Brits no longer willing

Danes no longer willing

 

Bush, the father, got his war paid for at litte cost to the United States

bush,jr. the lesser, runs America into huge debt while losing his war.

 

jr is a loser, liar and world class incompetent

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Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DE29FC.14AA9198@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>> How many more American

>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>> ego?

>>>> OUT NOW!

>>> Use your brain...

>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>> Iraqis.

>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6381325.stm

>> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce a timetable for the

>> withdrawal

>> of UK troops from Iraq.

>> Mr Blair is set to make a statement about the 7,000 British troops

>> serving in

>> Iraq at the Commons.

>> The BBC's James Landale said 1,500 troops were expected to return

>> home in months, rising to 3,000 by Christmas.

>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>

> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end of

> summer, six months from now.

>

> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>

>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>

> You're WRONG.

 

 

The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

Blair lost his job and is trying tio rescue the Labor Party in Britain

 

Meanwhile back in the USA we are stuck with the loser for 696 more days.

Then he'll hand off his mess to his successor.....but he's always done that.

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Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>> How many more American

>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>> ego?

>>>> OUT NOW!

>>> Use your brain...

>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>> Iraqis.

>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>> Blair is pulling out.

>

> Wrong.

>

> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

> leaving Basra.

>

> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

 

 

Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any casualties.

A token force...

 

Meanwhile we lost four more

KIA in Iraq.......for nothing but

bush,jr's incompetence

Guest Tom Sr.

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On Feb 23, 9:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:

> =

> That's what I said. 30% are leaving, 70% are not.

> What part didn't you understand?

 

It's what you do not understand, as usual, Mr. Games.

 

Blair will be leaving office in a few months.

 

Polls have repeated shown the British people DO NOT want to be in

Iraq. It's one of the reasons Blair has given a date when he will be

voted out, so he doesn't loose a vote of no confidence and gets kicked

out.

 

You can sure as hell bet that whoever replaces Blair will get the rest

of the British troops out there damn fucking quickly.

 

The British people don't want to be in Iraq! Their government got a

clue and are seeing their troops are leaving. They WILL all be gone

from Iraq by the end of 2007, perhaps a bit longer, but not much.

 

The American people don't want to be in Iraq! Some in our government

haven't gotten a fucking clue, like Bush, and are escalating the

number of our soldiers in that country.

 

For now. But for not much longer.

 

-Tom Sr.

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> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DE29FC.14AA9198@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>> > Now he's trying to string

>>> > it out so that his successor

>>> > will shut this mess down.

>>> > How many more American

>>> > lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>> > ego?

>>> > OUT NOW!

>>> Use your brain...

>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>> Iraqis.

>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6381325.stm

>> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce a timetable for the

>> withdrawal

>> of UK troops from Iraq.

>> Mr Blair is set to make a statement about the 7,000 British troops

>> serving in

>> Iraq at the Commons.

>> The BBC's James Landale said 1,500 troops were expected to return home in

>> months, rising to 3,000 by Christmas.

>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>

> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end of

> summer, six months from now.

>

> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>

 

 

Yep.

 

They are leaving Basra, where they are needed to keep a lid on partisan

fighting, to relocate to a safe location outside the city, where they will

no longer be in combat.

 

Still in Iraq, but in reerve, doing little or nothing to end the violence.

 

 

Larry

>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>

> You're WRONG.

>

>

Guest Rich Travsky

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Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DE2A76.E150A3BE@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >> > Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >> Try to get a grip...

> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They won't

> >> be

> >> missed.

> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other two-thirds are

> > Leaving???? But you said "The Brits aren't actually leaving..." Oh dear...

> > blew it again, did you?

> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

>

> That's what I said. 30% are leaving, 70% are not.

>

> What part didn't you understand?

 

It's more that you understood nothing.

 

 

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that Britain will

start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

 

Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC News,

the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

 

The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500 troops

would be out by the end of the year.

 

The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels by 1,600,

while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the end of

2008.

...

Guest Rich Travsky

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Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DE29FC.14AA9198@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

> >> > Now he's trying to string

> >> > it out so that his successor

> >> > will shut this mess down.

> >> > How many more American

> >> > lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

> >> > ego?

> >> > OUT NOW!

> >> Use your brain...

> >> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

> >> Iraqis.

> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6381325.stm

> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce a timetable for the

> > withdrawal

> > of UK troops from Iraq.

> > Mr Blair is set to make a statement about the 7,000 British troops serving

> > in

> > Iraq at the Commons.

> > The BBC's James Landale said 1,500 troops were expected to return home in

> > months, rising to 3,000 by Christmas.

> > Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>

> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end of

> summer, six months from now.

>

> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

 

Where it's safe? lol

> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

> > The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>

> You're WRONG.

 

Guess again.

 

 

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that Britain will

start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

 

Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC News,

the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

 

The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500 troops

would be out by the end of the year.

 

The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels by 1,600,

while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the end of

2008.

...

Guest Bill Dunkenfield

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Patriot Games wrote:

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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

> > Now he's trying to string

> > it out so that his successor

> > will shut this mess down.

> > How many more American

> > lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

> > ego?

> > OUT NOW!

>

> Use your brain...

>

> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the Iraqis.

>

> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

 

 

 

We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

 

We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

 

We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future. Now

they can.

 

It's time for US to leave.

 

JAM

Guest Rich Travsky

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Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DE2A2D.A02D6848@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:AHkDh.21641$6a.10991@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

> >> > Larry Hewitt wrote:

> >> >> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

> >> >>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> >>> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >> >>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >> >>> Try to get a grip...

> >> >>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

> >> >>> won't be missed.

> >> >>> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >> >>> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

> >> >>> two-thirds are STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> >> >> Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

> >> >> percentage of the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the

> >> >> surge is over.

> >> > "Patriot Games" is trying to put a

> >> > good face on an abject failure.

> >> > Blair has lost his job, declares

> >> > victory and starts the pullout

> >> > demanded of him.

> >> > Cheney is totally "out of it"

> >> > Where is bush,jr these days?

> >> > What rock is he hiding under?

> >> > How many more need to die

> >> > because of bush,jr's incompetence?

> >> > How many more Americans

> >> > need to die to try to save bush,jr's ego?

> >> Use your brain. Blair DID NOT start a pullout. He specifically stated

> >> he

> >> WAS NOT pulling out two-thirds of his troops.

> > But he IS starting a pullout of nearly half their troops:

> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6381325.stm

>

> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

 

And all of them next year

 

 

 

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that Britain will

start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

 

Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC News,

the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

 

The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500 troops

would be out by the end of the year.

 

The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels by 1,600,

while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the end of

2008.

...

Guest Rich Travsky

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Patriot Games wrote:

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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:LVoDh.16092$z6.15722@bigfe9...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

> >> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

> >>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

> >>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >>>> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >>>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >>>> Try to get a grip...

> >>>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

> >>>> won't be missed.

> >>>> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >>>> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

> >>>> two-thirds are STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> >>> Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

> >>> percentage of the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the

> >>> surge is over.

> >> The coin has two sides....

> >> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

> >> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out

> >> of there sooner...

> > Nice spin....but invalid.

> > The Brits are pulling out

>

> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>

> > Only you and Cheney think

> > that this is a good omen.

>

> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

 

Of what?

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For now........

 

 

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:LVoDh.16092$z6.15722@bigfe9...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

> >> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

> >>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

> >>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >>>> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >>>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >>>> Try to get a grip...

> >>>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

> >>>> won't be missed.

> >>>> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >>>> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

> >>>> two-thirds are STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> >>> Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

> >>> percentage of the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the

> >>> surge is over.

> >> The coin has two sides....

> >> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

> >> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out

> >> of there sooner...

> > Nice spin....but invalid.

> > The Brits are pulling out

>

> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>

> > Only you and Cheney think

> > that this is a good omen.

>

> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

>

>

>

Guest Rich Travsky

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Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

> > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >> Try to get a grip...

> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They won't

> >> be missed.

> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other two-thirds are

> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> > Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant percentage of

> > the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

>

> The coin has two sides....

>

> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

>

> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out of

> there sooner...

 

That's your spin?

 

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

 

The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and is

not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists on

Iraq.

 

In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

the second half of 2005.

 

Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

taking more local political power and controlling security at the

neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

 

As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the control

of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) and the

so-called "Sadrist" factions.

 

Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

country themselves.

 

But Mr Cordesman concludes:

 

"The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

...

 

RT

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Patriot Games wrote:

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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

> >>> Now he's trying to string

> >>> it out so that his successor

> >>> will shut this mess down.

> >>> How many more American

> >>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

> >>> ego?

> >>> OUT NOW!

> >> Use your brain...

> >> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

> >> Iraqis.

> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

> > Blair is pulling out.

>

> Wrong.

>

> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but leaving

> Basra.

>

> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

 

Like these facts?

 

 

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that Britain will

start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

 

Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC News,

the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

 

The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500 troops

would be out by the end of the year.

 

The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels by 1,600,

while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the end of

2008.

...

Guest Hell Razer

Guest Hell Razer

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It comes down to this:

USA has got so much over Australia that USA would hang us out to dry if we

don't adhere to there wishes.

As for our troops, expect a large increase under the guise of Training

Expect rules of engagement to change, dramatically. And rapid transfers from

Afghanistan to Iraq.

Indonesia is on our door step and the only thing they are afraid off is USA.

We owe America so much money that the only way to repay America back is to

give the whole goddam country to them, which we are in the process of doing

now.

 

Election year?....I expect Hicks to stay in his cage until after the

election.

The sight of his depleted health will really piss people off.

 

Of course Hicks will be forgotten is there is an interest rates drop, a few

freebees, another terrorist scare, a few illegals hitting our shores,

covering up our trues credit debt, or an instant rain storm. As for the

environment, Aussies couldn't give a fig unless they can't water their

gardens and fill there pools.

I know! Drop the beer and ciggie tax....that's sure to get them across the

line.

 

 

 

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

> >

> > "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> > news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

> > > Patriot Games wrote:

> > >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> > >> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

> > >>> Now he's trying to string

> > >>> it out so that his successor

> > >>> will shut this mess down.

> > >>> How many more American

> > >>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

> > >>> ego?

> > >>> OUT NOW!

> > >> Use your brain...

> > >> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

> > >> Iraqis.

> > >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

> > > Blair is pulling out.

> >

> > Wrong.

> >

> > 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but leaving

> > Basra.

> >

> > How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>

> Like these facts?

>

>

>

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

Britain will

> start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

>

> Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC

News,

> the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

>

> The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500

troops

> would be out by the end of the year.

>

> The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

levels by 1,600,

> while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by

the end of

> 2008.

> ...

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>>> How many more American

>>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>>> ego?

>>>>> OUT NOW!

>>>> Use your brain...

>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>>> Iraqis.

>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>> Blair is pulling out.

>> Wrong.

>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>> leaving Basra.

>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

> Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any

> casualties.

> A token force...

 

70% isn't a "token" force. They are getting out of the way if the Iraqis.

 

Do you want the Iraqis to succeed in governing their own town?

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> > Blair is pulling out.

>> Wrong.

>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but leaving

>> Basra.

>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

> Like these facts?

> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> Britain will

> start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC

> News,

> the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500

> troops

> would be out by the end of the year.

> The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels

> by 1,600,

> while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the

> end of

> 2008.

 

Yes, do the math.

 

Also pay special attention to the DIFFERENCE between what Blair ACTUALLY

SAID and what some newspaper OPINES.

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end of

>> summer, six months from now.

>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>> You're WRONG.

> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

 

What's wrong with that?

 

What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready to take

over Basra?

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> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end of

>> summer, six months from now.

>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

> Yep.

> They are leaving Basra, where they are needed to keep a lid on partisan

> fighting, to relocate to a safe location outside the city, where they will

> no longer be in combat.

> Still in Iraq, but in reerve, doing little or nothing to end the violence.

 

Didn't you EVER anticipate that the Iraqis would want to or need to take

control of their own city?

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>> Iraqis.

>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future. Now

> they can.

> It's time for US to leave.

 

We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our responsibility to help

restore their means of self-defense and provide that means of self-defense

until it is restored.

 

Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

> And all of them next year

 

Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end of the

year."

> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> Britain will

> start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC

> News,

> the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500

> troops

> would be out by the end of the year.

> The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels

> by 1,600,

> while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the

> end of

> 2008.

> ...

 

A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM, that "all troops

exiting by the end of 2008."

 

You can read can't you?

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>> > Only you and Cheney think

>> > that this is a good omen.

>> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

> Of what?

 

Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military border

security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

 

If they fail its BAD news for everybody.

 

If the succeed its GOOD news for everybody.

 

You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

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> For now........

 

Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

>> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

>> > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> > news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

>> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> >>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

>> >> Try to get a grip...

>> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

>> >> won't

>> >> be missed.

>> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

>> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other two-thirds

>> >> are

>> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

>> > Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant percentage

>> > of

>> > the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

>> The coin has two sides....

>> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

>> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out of

>> there sooner...

> That's your spin?

> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

> Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

> The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

> by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and is

> not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists on

> Iraq.

 

Commentary and opinion.

> In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

> American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

> Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

> British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

> the second half of 2005.

> Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

> Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

> taking more local political power and controlling security at the

> neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

> As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the control

> of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) and the

> so-called "Sadrist" factions.

 

And why is that bad?

> Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

> equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

> country themselves.

> But Mr Cordesman concludes:

> "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

> more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

 

Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

 

Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come home?

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> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

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>> For now........

>

> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

 

 

Doing what?

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