Brits pulling out, Danes pullingout, bush,jr's collapsing world continues to collapse

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DF5B06.7C5B001A@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

>> And all of them next year

>

> Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end

> of the year."

>

>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

>> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

>> Britain will

>> start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

>> Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the

>> summer, BBC News,

>> the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

>> The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

>> 1,500 troops

>> would be out by the end of the year.

>> The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

>> levels by 1,600,

>> while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting

>> by the end of

>> 2008.

>> ...

>

> A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM, that "all

> troops exiting by the end of 2008."

>

> You can read can't you?

They are being moved out of town away from the action.

They might as well be stationed at Trafalger Square

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>> You're WRONG.

>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>

> What's wrong with that?

>

> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready

> to take over Basra?

They have taken Basra months ago.

The only change is the Brits will no longer be shot at

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

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>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:85DDh.8$Tg7.1@trnddc03...

>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>> Yep.

>> They are leaving Basra, where they are needed to keep a lid on

>> partisan fighting, to relocate to a safe location outside the city,

>> where they will no longer be in combat.

>> Still in Iraq, but in reerve, doing little or nothing to end the

>> violence.

>

> Didn't you EVER anticipate that the Iraqis would want to or need to

> take control of their own city?

Eaxactly what they want.

They've said it over and over.

When does bush,jr, loser, liar,

and world class incompetent pull our guys out?

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>> Iraqis.

>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future. Now

>> they can.

>> It's time for US to leave.

>

> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our responsibility

> to help restore their means of self-defense and provide that means of

> self-defense until it is restored.

>

> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

bush,jr failed.

Now he wastes American

lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>>>> Only you and Cheney think

>>>> that this is a good omen.

>>> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

>> Of what?

>

> Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military

> border security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

>

> If they fail its BAD news for everybody.

>

> If the succeed its GOOD news for everybody.

>

> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

Total bullshit straight from

the Rovian talking points.

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E11366.DA53CFE1@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

>>> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

>>>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

>>>>> Try to get a grip...

>>>>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

>>>>> won't

>>>>> be missed.

>>>>> Brits represent almost one percent...

>>>>> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

>>>>> two-thirds are

>>>>> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

>>>> Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

>>>> percentage of

>>>> the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

>>> The coin has two sides....

>>> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of

>>> handling Baghdad in our lifetimes...

>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting

>>> out of there sooner...

>> That's your spin?

>> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

>> Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

>> The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

>> by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and

>> is not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists

>> on Iraq.

>

> Commentary and opinion.

>

>> In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

>> American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

>> Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

>> British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

>> the second half of 2005.

>> Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

>> Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

>> taking more local political power and controlling security at the

>> neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

>> As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the

>> control of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq

>> (Sciri) and the so-called "Sadrist" factions.

>

> And why is that bad?

>

>> Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

>> equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

>> country themselves.

>> But Mr Cordesman concludes:

>> "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

>> more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

>

> Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

>

> Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come

> home?

Pull out now.

When the Iranians (Shiites) suppport the Iraqi Shiites

we can supply arms to the Sunnis and let the games begin!

February 26, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>>>> How many more American

>>>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>>>> ego?

>>>>>> OUT NOW!

>>>>> Use your brain...

>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>> Blair is pulling out.

>>> Wrong.

>>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>>> leaving Basra.

>>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>> Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any

>> casualties.

>> A token force...

>

> 70% isn't a "token" force. They are getting out of the way if the

> Iraqis.

> Do you want the Iraqis to succeed in governing their own town?

The Iraqis have controlled Bassra for months.

The few remaining Brits are going to be

garrisoned out of town, out of danger

When will bush,jr get our guys out of the crossfire

and let the Sunnis and Shiites have at it in their

traditional way?

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:yjDDh.25420$p9.19023@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>>>>> How many more American

>>>>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>>>>> ego?

>>>>>>> OUT NOW!

>>>>>> Use your brain...

>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>> Blair is pulling out.

>>>> Wrong.

>>>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>>>> leaving Basra.

>>>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>>> Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any

>>> casualties.

>>> A token force...

>> 70% isn't a "token" force. They are getting out of the way if the

>> Iraqis.

>> Do you want the Iraqis to succeed in governing their own town?

> The Iraqis have controlled Bassra for months.

> The few remaining Brits are going to be

> garrisoned out of town, out of danger

> When will bush,jr get our guys out of the crossfire

> and let the Sunnis and Shiites have at it in their

> traditional way?

They say about August....

About May would be more to my liking...

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to the

>>>> Iraqis.

>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future. Now

>>> they can.

>>> It's time for US to leave.

>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our responsibility

>> to help restore their means of self-defense and provide that means of

>> self-defense until it is restored.

>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

> bush,jr failed.

> Now he wastes American

> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45DF5B06.7C5B001A@hotmMOVEail.com...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

>>> And all of them next year

>> Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end

>> of the year."

>>> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

>>> Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

>>> Britain will

>>> start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

>>> Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the

>>> summer, BBC News,

>>> the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

>>> The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

>>> 1,500 troops

>>> would be out by the end of the year.

>>> The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

>>> levels by 1,600,

>>> while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting

>>> by the end of

>>> 2008.

>> A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM, that "all

>> troops exiting by the end of 2008."

>> You can read can't you?

> They are being moved out of town away from the action.

> They might as well be stationed at Trafalger Square

If a problem happens getting in there to fix it is a lot easier than

commuting from Trafalger Square...

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45DF5B1E.AC00C919@hotmMOVEail.com...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>>>>> Only you and Cheney think

>>>>> that this is a good omen.

>>>> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

>>> Of what?

>> Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military

>> border security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

>> If they fail its BAD news for everybody.

>> If the succeed its GOOD news for everybody.

>> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

> Total bullshit straight from

> the Rovian talking points.

Its a simple question.

Its doesn't even reflect positively or negatively on America.

Its a simple question you should be able to quickly answer.

(There is even a way to spin it negatively on America, you should like

that.)

You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>> For now........

>> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

> Doing what?

Running their country without foreign troops present.

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45E11366.DA53CFE1@hotmMOVEail.com...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:erkjeq$3mm$1@news04.infoave.net...

>>>>> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:WChDh.1844$4J4.1491@trnddc01...

>>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:_q6Dh.9594$e8.406@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

>>>>>> Try to get a grip...

>>>>>> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

>>>>>> won't

>>>>>> be missed.

>>>>>> Brits represent almost one percent...

>>>>>> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

>>>>>> two-thirds are

>>>>>> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

>>>>> Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

>>>>> percentage of

>>>>> the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

>>>> The coin has two sides....

>>>> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of

>>>> handling Baghdad in our lifetimes...

>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting

>>>> out of there sooner...

>>> That's your spin?

>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

>>> Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

>>> The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

>>> by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and

>>> is not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists

>>> on Iraq.

>> Commentary and opinion.

>>> In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

>>> American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

>>> Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

>>> British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

>>> the second half of 2005.

>>> Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

>>> Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

>>> taking more local political power and controlling security at the

>>> neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

>>> As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the

>>> control of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq

>>> (Sciri) and the so-called "Sadrist" factions.

>> And why is that bad?

>>> Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

>>> equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

>>> country themselves.

>>> But Mr Cordesman concludes:

>>> "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

>>> more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

>> Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

>> Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come

>> home?

> Pull out now.

Why do you hate the Iraqis?

> When the Iranians (Shiites) suppport the Iraqi Shiites

> we can supply arms to the Sunnis and let the games begin!

This stands as more proof that death and carnage is something that you

cherish.

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>>> For now........

>>> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

>> Doing what?

>

> Running their country without foreign troops present.

Good idea !

Let get out now and save American

lives while they are succeeding

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>> You're WRONG.

>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>

> What's wrong with that?

>

> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready

> to take over Basra?

Nothing wrong.

Redeploy our troops like Murtha said.

I'm glad you're coming around to agree with me.

bush,jr is still a problem

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:lSEEh.11889$e8.10442@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future.

>>>> Now they can.

>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our responsibility

>>> to help restore their means of self-defense and provide that means

>>> of self-defense until it is restored.

>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>> bush,jr failed.

>> Now he wastes American

>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>

> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

bush,jr promised "no nation building"

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:WhDDh.25419$p9.14318@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>>> You're WRONG.

>>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>> What's wrong with that?

>> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready

>> to take over Basra?

> Nothing wrong.

> Redeploy our troops like Murtha said.

Let's see if they can handle Basra first....

> I'm glad you're coming around to agree with me.

You only thought I didn't.

> bush,jr is still a problem

There is no solution to that problem of yours, you just have to wait it out.

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:lSEEh.11889$e8.10442@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future.

>>>>> Now they can.

>>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our responsibility

>>>> to help restore their means of self-defense and provide that means

>>>> of self-defense until it is restored.

>>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>>> bush,jr failed.

>>> Now he wastes American

>>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

> Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

We helped create those problems. We are responsible for helping to solve

them.

> bush,jr promised "no nation building"

He promised regime change. Its the same thing...

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:yjDDh.25420$p9.19023@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eakDh.21632$6a.20265@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>>>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>>>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>>>>>> How many more American

>>>>>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>>>>>> ego?

>>>>>>>> OUT NOW!

>>>>>>> Use your brain...

>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>> Blair is pulling out.

>>>>> Wrong.

>>>>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>>>>> leaving Basra.

>>>>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>>>> Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any

>>>> casualties.

>>>> A token force...

>>> 70% isn't a "token" force. They are getting out of the way if the

>>> Iraqis.

>>> Do you want the Iraqis to succeed in governing their own town?

>> The Iraqis have controlled Bassra for months.

>> The few remaining Brits are going to be

>> garrisoned out of town, out of danger

>> When will bush,jr get our guys out of the crossfire

>> and let the Sunnis and Shiites have at it in their

>> traditional way?

>

> They say about August....

>

> About May would be more to my liking...

Ooo..Oooo...that was jack Murtha's plan a year ago.

Where were you then?

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future.

>>>>>> Now they can.

>>>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our

>>>>> responsibility to help restore their means of self-defense and

>>>>> provide that means of self-defense until it is restored.

>>>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>> bush,jr failed.

>>>> Now he wastes American

>>>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>>> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

>> Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

>

> We helped create those problems. We are responsible for helping to

> solve them.

>

>> bush,jr promised "no nation building"

>

> He promised regime change. Its the same thing...

"We" didn' help create

these problerms....bush,jr

and supporters like you did.

bush,jr promised that if he

were elected he would not

engage in "nation Building".

He LIED.

February 27, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>>>> You're WRONG.

>>>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>>> What's wrong with that?

>>> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready

>>> to take over Basra?

>> Nothing wrong.

>> Redeploy our troops like Murtha said.

>

> Let's see if they can handle Basra first....

>

>> I'm glad you're coming around to agree with me.

>

> You only thought I didn't.

>

>> bush,jr is still a problem

>

> There is no solution to that problem of yours, you just have to wait

> it out.

Not while one American is at risk

because of bush,jr's incompetence

February 27, 2007

On Feb 27, 5:11 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> "We" didn' help create

> these problerms....bush,jr

> and supporters like you did.

So very, very true. Like Bush, Patriot Games refuses to understand

that. Nor will they accept responsibility for it.

> bush,jr promised that if he

> were elected he would not

> engage in "nation Building".

> He LIED.

Bush lied (and is still lying) many, many times. Patriot Games cannot

deal with the truth.

There is truly something fucking sick about the neocons who are

still raving against Clinton lying about a blow job -- yet continue to

rant their support for Bush lying the United States into a needless

and illegal war that has killed thousands of American soldiers, tens

of tens of thousands of Iraqi people, and wounded hundreds of

thousands of both.

The number of dead and wounded because of Bush's lies continue to grow

everyday. Yet these FOOLS still moronically complain and try to

make A Issue about Clinton's penis.

There are many seriously psychological ill and ethically corrupt

Republicans and reactionary right-wingers in the United States of

America who are actually the real un-Americans .

-Tom Sr.

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>> Patriot Games wrote:

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>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

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>>>>>> news:YMoDh.16089$z6.14279@bigfe9...

>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>>>> Now he's trying to string

>>>>>>>>> it out so that his successor

>>>>>>>>> will shut this mess down.

>>>>>>>>> How many more American

>>>>>>>>> lives are beeded to save bush,jr's

>>>>>>>>> ego?

>>>>>>>>> OUT NOW!

>>>>>>>> Use your brain...

>>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>> Blair is pulling out.

>>>>>> Wrong.

>>>>>> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>>>>>> leaving Basra.

>>>>>> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>>>>> Leaving Basra for a a garrison where they will not be taking any

>>>>> casualties.

>>>>> A token force...

>>>> 70% isn't a "token" force. They are getting out of the way if the

>>>> Iraqis.

>>>> Do you want the Iraqis to succeed in governing their own town?

>>> The Iraqis have controlled Bassra for months.

>>> The few remaining Brits are going to be

>>> garrisoned out of town, out of danger

>>> When will bush,jr get our guys out of the crossfire

>>> and let the Sunnis and Shiites have at it in their

>>> traditional way?

>> They say about August....

>> About May would be more to my liking...

> Ooo..Oooo...that was jack Murtha's plan a year ago.

A year ago was the wrong time...

> Where were you then?

Waiting for a surge....

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>>>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the end

>>>>>> of summer, six months from now.

>>>>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of Basra.

>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>>>>> You're WRONG.

>>>>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>>>> What's wrong with that?

>>>> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're ready

>>>> to take over Basra?

>>> Nothing wrong.

>>> Redeploy our troops like Murtha said.

>> Let's see if they can handle Basra first....

>>> I'm glad you're coming around to agree with me.

>> You only thought I didn't.

>>> bush,jr is still a problem

>> There is no solution to that problem of yours, you just have to wait

>> it out.

> Not while one American is at risk

> because of bush,jr's incompetence

All Americans are at risk, all the time, everywhere on Earth. We just

didn't know it until 9/11.

February 27, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back to

>>>>>>>> the Iraqis.

>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own future.

>>>>>>> Now they can.

>>>>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>>>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our

>>>>>> responsibility to help restore their means of self-defense and

>>>>>> provide that means of self-defense until it is restored.

>>>>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>>> bush,jr failed.

>>>>> Now he wastes American

>>>>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>>>> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

>>> Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

>> We helped create those problems. We are responsible for helping to

>> solve them.

>>> bush,jr promised "no nation building"

>> He promised regime change. Its the same thing...

> "We" didn' help create

> these problerms....bush,jr

> and supporters like you did.

America's elected politicians and America's military obeying orders did.

You can't cherry-pick citizenship.

Whether one supported or supports the War, or not, we're ALL Americans and

we (should) all want a successful conclusion, peace in Iraq, and our sons

and daughters home.

> bush,jr promised that if he

> were elected he would not

> engage in "nation Building".

> He LIED.

I'm fairly certain when he was campaigning he was thinking about that sweet

budget surplus, some tax cuts to make folks feel better and smooth sailing

for 4 years....

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