Brits pulling out, Danes pullingout, bush,jr's collapsing world continues to collapse

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>> Looks like leaving to me and everyone else...

>>>>>>> Try again. 1,200 - 1,500 are leaving Iraq between now and the

>>>>>>> end of summer, six months from now.

>>>>>>> THE REST ARE STAYING IN IRAQ, but are relocating outside of

>>>>>>> Basra.

>>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>>> The Brits are smarter than us, they're getting out.

>>>>>>> You're WRONG.

>>>>>> The Brits will be garrisoned and will not be taking casualties.

>>>>> What's wrong with that?

>>>>> What's wrong with the Iraqis having a chance to see if they're

>>>>> ready to take over Basra?

>>>> Nothing wrong.

>>>> Redeploy our troops like Murtha said.

>>> Let's see if they can handle Basra first....

>>>> I'm glad you're coming around to agree with me.

>>> You only thought I didn't.

>>>> bush,jr is still a problem

>>> There is no solution to that problem of yours, you just have to wait

>>> it out.

>> Not while one American is at risk

>> because of bush,jr's incompetence

>

> All Americans are at risk, all the time, everywhere on Earth. We just

> didn't know it until 9/11.

After 9/11 almost every

nation on earth sympathized

with us showed great

respect for us.

Then the incompetent

bush,jr wasted everything

by invading the wrong country.

Now we are despised world

wide and will remains so until

our leadership is replaced.

Sooner is better.

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:lSEEh.11889$e8.10442@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back

>>>>>>>>> to the Iraqis.

>>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own

>>>>>>>> future. Now they can.

>>>>>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>>>>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our

>>>>>>> responsibility to help restore their means of self-defense and

>>>>>>> provide that means of self-defense until it is restored.

>>>>>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>>>> bush,jr failed.

>>>>>> Now he wastes American

>>>>>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>>>>> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>> Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

>>> We helped create those problems. We are responsible for helping to

>>> solve them.

>>>> bush,jr promised "no nation building"

>>> He promised regime change. Its the same thing...

>> "We" didn' help create

>> these problerms....bush,jr

>> and supporters like you did.

>

> America's elected politicians and America's military obeying orders

> did. You can't cherry-pick citizenship.

>

> Whether one supported or supports the War, or not, we're ALL

> Americans and we (should) all want a successful conclusion, peace in

> Iraq, and our sons and daughters home.

>

>> bush,jr promised that if he

>> were elected he would not

>> engage in "nation Building".

>> He LIED.

>

> I'm fairly certain when he was campaigning he was thinking about that

> sweet budget surplus, some tax cuts to make folks feel better and

> smooth sailing for 4 years....

There CANNOT be a

successful outcome to

bush,jr's misbegotten war.

He supports the wrong Muslims.

He has no support among Americans

He failed to unify America before he started his war

He failed to mobilize America.

We lost the very first day he dreamed this mess up.

It's irretrievable.

Today the violence in the region

flared and we losr three more of

our young men.

Iraq is a "sunk cost"

The longer we stay the more it will

cost America and the outcome will

be the same.

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E11ED5.E1D10861@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> > Blair is pulling out.

> >> Wrong.

> >> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but leaving

> >> Basra.

> >> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

> > Like these facts?

> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> > Britain will

> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC

> > News,

> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500

> > troops

> > would be out by the end of the year.

> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels

> > by 1,600,

> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the

> > end of

> > 2008.

>

> Yes, do the math.

>

> Also pay special attention to the DIFFERENCE between what Blair ACTUALLY

> SAID and what some newspaper OPINES.

http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

...

Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until 2008 ...

...

Publi

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DF5B06.7C5B001A@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

> > And all of them next year

>

> Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end of the

> year."

Very good! And people said you were slow...

> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> > Britain will

> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer, BBC

> > News,

> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further 1,500

> > troops

> > would be out by the end of the year.

> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop levels

> > by 1,600,

> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by the

> > end of

> > 2008.

> > ...

>

> A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM, that "all troops

> exiting by the end of 2008."

>

> You can read can't you?

http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

...

Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until 2008 ...

...

Publi

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45DF5B1E.AC00C919@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

> >> > Only you and Cheney think

> >> > that this is a good omen.

> >> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

> > Of what?

>

> Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military border

> security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

No test is involved. It's the brits recognizing this ain't working.

> If they fail its BAD news for everybody.

>

> If the succeed its GOOD news for everybody.

>

> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

Succeed at what? Cleaning up Chimpoleon's mess?

RT

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

> >> > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> >>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >> >> Try to get a grip...

> >> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

> >> >> won't

> >> >> be missed.

> >> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other two-thirds

> >> >> are

> >> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> >> > Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant percentage

> >> > of

> >> > the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

> >> The coin has two sides....

> >> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

> >> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out of

> >> there sooner...

> > That's your spin?

> > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

> > Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

> > The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

> > by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and is

> > not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists on

> > Iraq.

>

> Commentary and opinion.

Analysis by an expert

> > In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

> > American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

> > Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

> > British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

> > the second half of 2005.

> > Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

> > Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

> > taking more local political power and controlling security at the

> > neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

> > As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the control

> > of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) and the

> > so-called "Sadrist" factions.

>

> And why is that bad?

IT'S GOOD??? "Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution"??????? I dare you to be more

stupid! I dare you!

> > Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

> > equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

> > country themselves.

> > But Mr Cordesman concludes:

> > "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

> > more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

>

> Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

>

> Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come home?

There was law and order before we invaded.

RT

February 28, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

> >>> For now........

> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

> > Doing what?

>

> Running their country without foreign troops present.

They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

RT

February 28, 2007

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45E11ED5.E1D10861@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>> >> > Blair is pulling out.

>> >> Wrong.

>> >> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

>> >> leaving

>> >> Basra.

>> >> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

>> > Like these facts?

>> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

>> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

>> > Britain will

>> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

>> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer,

>> > BBC

>> > News,

>> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

>> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

>> > 1,500

>> > troops

>> > would be out by the end of the year.

>> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

>> > levels

>> > by 1,600,

>> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by

>> > the

>> > end of

>> > 2008.

>> Yes, do the math.

>> Also pay special attention to the DIFFERENCE between what Blair ACTUALLY

>> SAID and what some newspaper OPINES.

> http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

> Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until

> 2008 ...

> Publi

February 28, 2007

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:b02Fh.30040$B8.16432@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:FQZEh.34935$p9.26226@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:lSEEh.11889$e8.10442@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Bill Dunkenfield" <BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:45DF5AFD.BF4FA0F0@nospam.net...

>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> The Brits aren't actually leaving, they're giving Basra back

>>>>>>>>>> to the Iraqis.

>>>>>>>>>> If the Iraqis can handle Basra what does that mean to us?

>>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq because of WMDS. No problem no WMDs

>>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq to remove Sadam from power. Done

>>>>>>>>> We went into Iraq so the Iraqis could determine their own

>>>>>>>>> future. Now they can.

>>>>>>>>> It's time for US to leave.

>>>>>>>> We destroyed their means of self-defense so it is our

>>>>>>>> responsibility to help restore their means of self-defense and

>>>>>>>> provide that means of self-defense until it is restored.

>>>>>>>> Unless you WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>>>>> bush,jr failed.

>>>>>>> Now he wastes American

>>>>>>> lives trying to clean up the mess he's made

>>>>>> So you DO WANT Iraq to fail?

>>>>> Let the Iraqi's solve their own problems

>>>> We helped create those problems. We are responsible for helping to

>>>> solve them.

>>>>> bush,jr promised "no nation building"

>>>> He promised regime change. Its the same thing...

>>> "We" didn' help create

>>> these problerms....bush,jr

>>> and supporters like you did.

>> America's elected politicians and America's military obeying orders

>> did. You can't cherry-pick citizenship.

>> Whether one supported or supports the War, or not, we're ALL

>> Americans and we (should) all want a successful conclusion, peace in

>> Iraq, and our sons and daughters home.

>>> bush,jr promised that if he

>>> were elected he would not

>>> engage in "nation Building".

>>> He LIED.

>> I'm fairly certain when he was campaigning he was thinking about that

>> sweet budget surplus, some tax cuts to make folks feel better and

>> smooth sailing for 4 years....

> There CANNOT be a

> successful outcome to

> bush,jr's misbegotten war.

> He supports the wrong Muslims.

> He has no support among Americans

> He failed to unify America before he started his war

> He failed to mobilize America.

> We lost the very first day he dreamed this mess up.

> It's irretrievable.

> Today the violence in the region

> flared and we losr three more of

> our young men.

> Iraq is a "sunk cost"

> The longer we stay the more it will

> cost America and the outcome will

> be the same.

Are you saying a peaceful Iraq is impossible?

February 28, 2007

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45DF5B06.7C5B001A@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>> >> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

>> > And all of them next year

>> Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end of

>> the

>> year."

> Very good! And people said you were slow...

>> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

>> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

>> > Britain will

>> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

>> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer,

>> > BBC

>> > News,

>> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

>> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

>> > 1,500

>> > troops

>> > would be out by the end of the year.

>> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

>> > levels

>> > by 1,600,

>> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by

>> > the

>> > end of

>> > 2008.

>> > ...

>> A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM,

>> that "all troops exiting by the end of 2008."

>> You can read can't you?

> http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

> Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until

> 2008 ...

> Publi

February 28, 2007

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> news:45DF5B1E.AC00C919@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>> >> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

>> >> > Only you and Cheney think

>> >> > that this is a good omen.

>> >> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

>> > Of what?

>> Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military

>> border

>> security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

> No test is involved. It's the brits recognizing this ain't working.

Feel free to quote a Brit military or gov't official saying that.

>> If they fail its BAD news for everybody.

>> If the succeed its GOOD news for everybody.

>> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

> Succeed at what? Cleaning up Chimpoleon's mess?

Succeed at achieving a peaceful Iraq.

February 28, 2007

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>> >>> For now........

>> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

>> > Doing what?

>> Running their country without foreign troops present.

> They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

No they didn't. They didn't run their country. Their country was run for

them by a dictator.

Do you support dictators or democratic gov't.?

February 28, 2007

"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

>> >> > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> >> >>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

>> >> >> Try to get a grip...

>> >> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

>> >> >> won't

>> >> >> be missed.

>> >> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

>> >> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

>> >> >> two-thirds

>> >> >> are

>> >> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

>> >> > Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

>> >> > percentage

>> >> > of

>> >> > the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

>> >> The coin has two sides....

>> >> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

>> >> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

>> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out

>> >> of

>> >> there sooner...

>> > That's your spin?

>> > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

>> > Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

>> > The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

>> > by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and is

>> > not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists on

>> > Iraq.

>> Commentary and opinion.

> Analysis by an expert

Its lacks FACTS and is therefore USELESS.

>> > In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

>> > American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

>> > Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

>> > British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

>> > the second half of 2005.

>> > Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

>> > Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

>> > taking more local political power and controlling security at the

>> > neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

>> > As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the control

>> > of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) and the

>> > so-called "Sadrist" factions.

>> And why is that bad?

> IT'S GOOD??? "Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution"??????? I dare you

> to be more stupid! I dare you!

You just don't make any sense. You oppose the Sadrist factions from being

in control yet you insist that the ONLY people who can prevent them from

gaining control leave Iraq - so that they CAN gain control.

Which one do you want?

>> > Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

>> > equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

>> > country themselves.

>> > But Mr Cordesman concludes:

>> > "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

>> > more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

>> Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

>> Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come home?

> There was law and order before we invaded.

No there wasn't. There was torturing, murdering, raping, and use of WMD

under a terroristic dictator. That is not law and order under ANY

international definition.

March 1, 2007

Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

>Patriot Games wrote:

>> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

>Succeed at what? Cleaning up Chimpoleon's mess?

Success is measured by who retains control of Iraq's oil. As it is

the fascist regime has been utterly incapable of securiting control

of it due to Iraqi freedom fighters defending their country and

their families.

The fascists knew they had lost and the people of Iraq has done --

so they fomented religious violence to ensure that nobody would be

getting a handle on the flow of oil out of Iraq any time soon, not

even the people who the oil belongs to.

---

Minute Men: http://deletetheborder.org/node/1991

"Emerging at night once a week to replenish my supply

of library books and to drink the blood of virgins."

March 1, 2007

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>> No test is involved. It's the brits recognizing this ain't working.

>Feel free to quote a Brit military or gov't official saying that.

You _are_ aware that news sources other than FOX "News" have reported

that the puppet pretend "president" of Iraq has ordered the fascist

baby killing Christians out of Iraq, right?

---

Minute Men: http://deletetheborder.org/node/1991

"Emerging at night once a week to replenish my supply

of library books and to drink the blood of virgins."

March 1, 2007

"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>news:45E513E2.696F0161@hotmMOVEail.com...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>> >>> For now........

>>> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

>>> > Doing what?

>>> Running their country without foreign troops present.

>> They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

>No they didn't. They didn't run their country. Their country was run for

>them by a dictator.

Who was himself run by Donnald Rumsfeld, ya frothing insane rightard.

Forgot about that, didn't ya, fucking idiot?

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"Emerging at night once a week to replenish my supply

of library books and to drink the blood of virgins."

March 1, 2007

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:41:04 GMT, BlameMeIVotedRepublican@aol.com

(Blame Me I Voted Republican) wrote:

>"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>>"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>>news:45E513E2.696F0161@hotmMOVEail.com...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>>> >>> For now........

>>>> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

>>>> > Doing what?

>>>> Running their country without foreign troops present.

>>> They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

>>No they didn't. They didn't run their country. Their country was run for

>>them by a dictator.

>

>Who was himself run by Donnald Rumsfeld, ya frothing insane rightard.

>Forgot about that, didn't ya, fucking idiot?

>

>---

>Minute Men: http://deletetheborder.org/node/1991

>

>"Emerging at night once a week to replenish my supply

>of library books and to drink the blood of virgins."

Freddy, you calling anyone an idiot is like... actually,

there's no precedent.

March 1, 2007

"Blame Me I Voted Republican" <BlameMeIVotedRepublican@aol.com> wrote in

message news:12uceshqg2g3lc1@corp.supernews.com...

> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>>"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>>> No test is involved. It's the brits recognizing this ain't working.

>>Feel free to quote a Brit military or gov't official saying that.

> You _are_ aware that news sources other than FOX "News" have reported

> that the puppet pretend "president" of Iraq has ordered the fascist

> baby killing Christians out of Iraq, right?

Cite?

March 1, 2007

"Blame Me I Voted Republican" <BlameMeIVotedRepublican@aol.com> wrote in

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> Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

>>Patriot Games wrote:

>>> You want the Iraqis to succeed don't you?

>>Succeed at what? Cleaning up Chimpoleon's mess?

> Success is measured by who retains control of Iraq's oil.

No. Success is a democratic-like rule of law in a peaceful (or at least

diminished violence) country.

> As it is

> the fascist regime has been utterly incapable of securiting control

> of it due to Iraqi freedom fighters defending their country and

> their families.

The freedom fighters are the legitimately elected civilian Iraqi gov't, the

police and Iraqi military.

March 1, 2007

"Blame Me I Voted Republican" <BlameMeIVotedRepublican@aol.com> wrote in

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> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:

>>"Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

>>news:45E513E2.696F0161@hotmMOVEail.com...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>>>> > Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>>> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>>> >>> For now........

>>>> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

>>>> > Doing what?

>>>> Running their country without foreign troops present.

>>> They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

>>No they didn't. They didn't run their country. Their country was run for

>>them by a dictator.

> Who was himself run by Donnald Rumsfeld, ya frothing insane rightard.

> Forgot about that, didn't ya, fucking idiot?

Cite?

March 4, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E50B97.E64ED6F@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:45E11ED5.E1D10861@hotmMOVEail.com...

> >> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> >> > Blair is pulling out.

> >> >> Wrong.

> >> >> 30% of Brit troops are leaving Iraq, 70% are STAYING IN IRAQ but

> >> >> leaving

> >> >> Basra.

> >> >> How can you have any opinion without even knowing the BASIC facts?

> >> > Like these facts?

> >> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> >> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> >> > Britain will

> >> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> >> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer,

> >> > BBC

> >> > News,

> >> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> >> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

> >> > 1,500

> >> > troops

> >> > would be out by the end of the year.

> >> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

> >> > levels

> >> > by 1,600,

> >> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by

> >> > the

> >> > end of

> >> > 2008.

> >> Yes, do the math.

> >> Also pay special attention to the DIFFERENCE between what Blair ACTUALLY

> >> SAID and what some newspaper OPINES.

> > http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

> > Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until

> > 2008 ...

> > Publi

March 4, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> >> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> >> 30%. (Actually 29.5% if you want to be accurate.)

> >> > And all of them next year

> >> Read your own cite: "A further 1,500 troops would be out by the end of

> >> the

> >> year."

> > Very good! And people said you were slow...

> >> > http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-21T000633Z_01_L20323701_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml&WTmodLoc=Motor+Sports-R6-MostRead-2

> >> > Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce on Wednesday that

> >> > Britain will

> >> > start to withdraw its troops from Iraq within weeks, media said.

> >> > Blair would tell parliament 1,500 soldiers would leave by the summer,

> >> > BBC

> >> > News,

> >> > the Sun and the Times reported. Britain has 7,100 troops in Iraq.

> >> > The Sun said the first batch would arrive home in April. A further

> >> > 1,500

> >> > troops

> >> > would be out by the end of the year.

> >> > The Financial Times, for its part, said Blair would first cut troop

> >> > levels

> >> > by 1,600,

> >> > while the Guardian put the figure at 1,000, with all troops exiting by

> >> > the

> >> > end of

> >> > 2008.

> >> > ...

> >> A newspaper is speculating CONTRARY TO THE WORDS OF THE PM,

> >> that "all troops exiting by the end of 2008."

> >> You can read can't you?

> > http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

> > Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until

> > 2008 ...

> > Publi

March 4, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E50EB9.9B01854@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:45DF5B1E.AC00C919@hotmMOVEail.com...

> >> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> >> 30% are leaving, 70% ARE NOT LEAVING....

> >> >> > Only you and Cheney think

> >> >> > that this is a good omen.

> >> >> Omen? Its not an omen, its a TEST.

> >> > Of what?

> >> Of the Iraqi ability to exert civilian law enforcement AND military

> >> border

> >> security over Basra and the nearby Iranian border.

> > No test is involved. It's the brits recognizing this ain't working.

>

> Feel free to quote a Brit military or gov't official saying that.

http://www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article6943

...

Blair announced that British troops will remain in Iraq at least until 2008 ...

...

Publi

March 4, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E513E2.696F0161@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> news:tOEEh.11885$e8.7929@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> >> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message

> >> >> news:btadnVmXKvfULkLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com...

> >> >>> For now........

> >> >> Don't you want the Iraqis to succeed?

> >> > Doing what?

> >> Running their country without foreign troops present.

> > They had that before Chimpoleon cooked up lies to invade.

>

> No they didn't. They didn't run their country. Their country was run for

> them by a dictator.

Saddam wasn't an Iraqi?

> Do you support dictators or democratic gov't.?

Chimpoleon still supports dictators.

RT

March 4, 2007

Patriot Games wrote:

>

> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> news:45E5104C.BFDBA6D0@hotmMOVEail.com...

> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message

> >> > Patriot Games wrote:

> >> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message

> >> >> > "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >> >> >> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> >> >> >>> Cheney says, "This is the best of all possible worlds

> >> >> >> Try to get a grip...

> >> >> >> Denmark represents one-fourth of one percent of all troops. They

> >> >> >> won't

> >> >> >> be missed.

> >> >> >> Brits represent almost one percent...

> >> >> >> And only one-third of them are actually leaving, the other

> >> >> >> two-thirds

> >> >> >> are

> >> >> >> STAYING after moving from Basra to a base nearby....

> >> >> > Yeah, and the troops they are pulling out are a significant

> >> >> > percentage

> >> >> > of

> >> >> > the "surge". If we have to replace them in Basra the surge is over.

> >> >> The coin has two sides....

> >> >> IF the Iraqis can't handle Basra then they have no chance of handling

> >> >> Baghdad in our lifetimes...

> >> >> If the Iraqis can handle Basra that bods very well for us getting out

> >> >> of

> >> >> there sooner...

> >> > That's your spin?

> >> > http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2296829.ece

> >> > Revealed: The true extent of Britain's failure in Basra

> >> > The partial British military withdrawal from southern Iraq announced

> >> > by Tony Blair this week follows political and military failure, and is

> >> > not because of any improvement in local security, say specialists on

> >> > Iraq.

> >> Commentary and opinion.

> > Analysis by an expert

>

> Its lacks FACTS and is therefore USELESS.

Read it this time.

> >> > In a comment entitled "The British Defeat in Iraq" the pre-eminent

> >> > American analyst on Iraq, Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for

> >> > Strategic and International Studies, in Washington, asserts that

> >> > British forces lost control of the situation in and around Basra by

> >> > the second half of 2005.

> >> > Mr Cordesman says that while the British won some tactical clashes in

> >> > Basra and Maysan province in 2004, that "did not stop Islamists from

> >> > taking more local political power and controlling security at the

> >> > neighbourhood level when British troops were not present".

> >> > As a result, southern Iraq has, in effect, long been under the control

> >> > of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) and the

> >> > so-called "Sadrist" factions.

> >> And why is that bad?

> > IT'S GOOD??? "Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution"??????? I dare you

> > to be more stupid! I dare you!

>

> You just don't make any sense. You oppose the Sadrist factions from being

> in control yet you insist that the ONLY people who can prevent them from

> gaining control leave Iraq - so that they CAN gain control.

>

> Which one do you want?

Rightards. Geez. The Brits - and the US - failed to cultivate any alternative.

> >> > Mr Blair said for three years Britain had worked to create, train and

> >> > equip Iraqi Security Forces capable of taking on the security of the

> >> > country themselves.

> >> > But Mr Cordesman concludes:

> >> > "The Iraqi forces that Britain helped create in the area were little

> >> > more than an extension of Shia Islamist control by other means."

> >> Do we care which sect is keeping law and order?

> >> Or do we care that law and order is being kept so we can all come home?

> > There was law and order before we invaded.

>

> No there wasn't. There was torturing, murdering, raping, and use of WMD

> under a terroristic dictator. That is not law and order under ANY

> international definition.

You lost all credibility by claiming the non existent WMDs.

RT

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