RegisteredandEducated {Vintage WPYO Post}

[bart1123]

Seriously,

20 postings in 10 threads all saying the same thing?!!!! Congrats to the Republican Party, not that I'm happy about it but big enough to say that we played by the rules and didn't win, I hope that the next 4 years are dedicated to healing the annimosity (sp?) and hate that has been generated by this adminsitration in the last 4.

 

I'm also disapointed in my state for passing the marriage amendment. Marriage should be between 2 people dedicated to loving and supporting one another, irregardless of thier sex. I have a wife and 2 kids whom I love very much, but I don't feel it is my right to judge the love of many of my friends who happen to be of the same sex. IMHO this issue was a smoke screen that the GOP threw up to draw focus from the real issues in the country/world. But like I said what ever the method the system we have in place was used and the decsion has been made. God bless this Country and let the healing begin.

 

My $.02

 

Bart

[DaMan]

Moved this over here. Looks like a good debate could ensue.

Lets get it on!

[bart1123]

Thanks for the move

 

I'm ready...DING...DING!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Marriage should be between 2 people dedicated to loving and supporting one another, irregardless of thier sex.

I think marriage should be between 8 and 12 people (or animals, inanimate objects, etc.) who all just sort of cohabitate together.

[bart1123]

I think marriage should be between 8 and 12 people (or animals, inanimate objects, etc.) who all just sort of cohabitate together.

 

Okay that suprises me a little, I was under the impression that you were comming from the Right...that's a fairly Left statement even by my standards.

 

Oh...wait...let me...read...it again...SARCASIM!!!! Now I get it...you were being sarcastic...poking fun at my point of view...so no real argument for your opinion, just trying to insult and belittle someone else's beliefs.

 

Cool...Great debate skills

 

Bart

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

It's not poking fun; it's just to get people thinking where to draw the line.

[MikeJ]

Unfortunately, who's to say that it's our responsibility where to draw the line? Honestly, let's use a contemporary example. People who want public prayer in schools. I'm a good, born-again Christian, so I should be all for that, right? NOT! What if we started praying to Buddha, or Shiva, or some other deity (maybe Zeus, Huetzicoatl, Thor?) Where do we draw the line with that issue?

 

There's no real reason to use faith as a basis for laws, because one man's faith could not carry over into another's life. What if there was a religion that supported gay marriage, and making it illegal was a sin in that religion. What then?

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Unfortunately, who's to say that it's our responsibility where to draw the line?

Then why have a "legal" marriage anyhow? If there are no boundaries then the concept becomes meaningless. i.e. Joe marries the whole world, Jane marries all her cats and Mike marries his two sisters. I beg to differ, a line MUST be drawn.

[RationalOne]

Then why have a "legal" marriage anyhow? If there are no boundaries then the concept becomes meaningless. i.e. Joe marries the whole world, Jane marries all her cats and Mike marries his two sisters. I beg to differ, a line MUST be drawn.

 

Hey MRIH you fucked up piece of rotting shit...

 

Whenever you don't have a rational or valid argument, all you can resort to is the ridiculous. Equating 2 (gay or lesbian) human beings wishing to have the same LEGAL rights as 2 other (straight) human beings as somehow even remotely being twisted into cats, sisters, inanimate objects, is just pure bullshit. Just in case you didn't know, which I'm sure you don't, gay marriage is legal in several other parts of the world, and MA in this country.

 

You really need to shut the fuck up asswipe, especially when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

 

Eat shit and die, jerk.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Hey MRIH you fucked up piece of rotting shit...

Thank you for holding me in higher esteem than yourself.

 

Whenever you don't have a rational or valid argument, all you can resort to is the ridiculous.

And you?

 

Equating 2 (gay or lesbian) human beings wishing to have the same LEGAL rights as 2 other (straight) human beings as somehow even remotely being twisted into cats, sisters, inanimate objects, is just pure bullshit.

RationalOne, You still can't read can you... there is a book called "Literacy for Dummies" I suggest you buy it, and then chew the covers off of it. Because you are soooooo stupid.

 

Just in case you didn't know, which I'm sure you don't, gay marriage is legal in several other parts of the world, and MA in this country.

In case you didn't know, killing infidels in Islamic countries is legal... um maybe we should allow it, after all it's legal in other parts of the world, jackass.

 

You really need to shut the fuck up asswipe, especially when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Have I offended the Great and Wise Queer Cardiologist who travels at his own expense to save children and threatens those with differing oppinions than himself. The one who belittles others for name calling, yet can not open a dialog without obscenities. The one who defends islam and claims all religions are evil? The braggart and blowhard who thinks he's better than everyone else?

 

Do you still want to give me a good thrashing? Well go suck your boyfriends dick... I'm in a wheelchair, so why don't we meet at the Capitol Building on Congress street in Austin, Tx. And you can show everyone what a "man" you are by beating up an invalid.

 

Eat shit and die, jerk.

Oh boy, my favorite snack and activity all rolled into one! Thank you.

[RationalOne]

Have I offended the Great and Wise Queer Cardiologist who travels at his own expense to save children and threatens those with differing oppinions than himself. The one who belittles others for name calling, yet can not open a dialog without obscenities. The one who defends islam and claims all religions are evil? The braggart and blowhard who thinks he's better than everyone else?

 

Do you still want to give me a good thrashing? Well go suck your boyfriends dick... I'm in a wheelchair, so why don't we meet at the Capitol Building on Congress street in Austin, Tx. And you can show everyone what a "man" you are by beating up an invalid.

 

You are sick. Plain and simple. Personally I couldn't care if you are in a wheelchair. Sounds like your crutch, not mine. Things happen for a reason. I'm sure your fate is justified.

 

Nice to see that you can gay bash too. Wow. Another thing shit for brains, he's not my "boyfriend", he's my partner of over 10 years. What do you have in your life pathetic loser?

 

Once again your stupidity and short term memory fails you. You say I am a "Great and Wise Queer" (thanks for the compliments but you still got the title wrong dipshit) Pediatric Cardiothoracic Surgeon who travels at his own expense to save children (Yes. I'm grateful to be able to give back to the world) and threatens ONLY YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT because you are just plain evil. The one who belittles YOU for BASHING EVERY MUSLIM AND I GUESS GAY PERSON NOW, yet after numerous attempts at reasonableness, now CANNOT (It's one word idiot) open a dialog WITH THE PIECE OF SHIT MRIH (piss and vomit be upon him) without obscenities (HEY, GO FUCK YOURSELF). The one who defends islam (actually, personal faith asswipe...but you cannot understand that) and claims all ORGANIZED religions are evil? The braggart and blowhard (THAT'S YOU FUCKFACE) who thinks he's better than everyone else? (NOT EVERYONE, BUT DEFINITELY YOU! YOU SORRY ASS, COWARD RIDDEN, PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN, PIECE OF SHIT! FUCK OFF AND DIE!)

 

Now, that's better. I think I'll go for a relaxing WALK with my beautiful family now. Why don't you go fuck yourself! Asshole.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Tell me where you live, RationalOne. I'll bring you and your life partner a bunt-cake.

[RationalOne]

Tell me where you live, RationalOne. I'll bring you and your life partner a bunt-cake.

 

Canyon, Texas Fuck Face. One more thing, for the record, when it comes to my life partner, your not even worthy of being anywhere around him you sick, disgusting fuck.

 

Got a family psycho? Have any children loser?

 

How about your "lovely" wife? Got one of those asswipe?

 

I seriously doubt it. Who the fuck would want a miserable piece of shit like you.

 

You're damaged goods fuckface. Inside and out.

[bart1123]

Mo,

I can appreciate the idea that a line has to be drawn, but I question the argument that there is a large percentage of the population that wants to have a legally recognized union with their pet. To be honest I haven't given that issue much thought, although my gut says that you and I may be on the same side of that issue if it came up.

 

I do believe that a legal union should be allowed between 2 consenting adults who are willing to make a long and loving commitment to one another.

 

Please notice 2 things about my point of view: 1) I'm using the term legal union, keeping the religious aspect of "marriage" out of it. In my experience all of my gay and lesbian friends who are couples have told me that they are not as concerned about the religious recognition of their relationship as they are the legal. Currently one couple, who have been together for a longer period of time than my own parents were (they divorced after 19 years), does not have the right to approve medical treatment in the event the other is unable to do so, where-as my wife would be able to do that for me after only 6 years of marriage. And while many companies have started extending health benefits to same sex partners, for most same sex couples it is still impossible for one member of the relationship to get coverage for the other. These are just 2 examples that I've heard from my friends many times over. The long and short of it is that there are many rights that my wife and I enjoy as a "married" couple that many of our friends are not entitled to, and that to me is a shame. Many of my friends go to my church, which in my opinion is an accurate dichotomy of my community. We have way left liberals, and staunch conservatives, and yet we all worship at the same church and take communion from the same alter. None of my gay/lesbian friends have ever said to me "We really want to get married in the church in front of all our friends!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Excellent point, Bart. I actually had never thought of that line (what to do in case of mental incapacity of a partner). I would suggest that, yes. A legal union should be recognized by the state for any two willing adults. And that the partners would become responsible for the care of the other in case of some unfortunate situation or demise of the other.

 

I always had looked at this issue in a "Tax" sense. I can tell you that being married (yes, RO... I am married) used to be worse on us financially during tax season (the marriage penalty). It has eased some lately thanks to my Ex-Governor. And that being the case (and line of my thinking) I always wondered why the homosexuals wanted to get married? There is really no benefit to "legal" marriage, other than protecting the partner who works less(less income) from the partner who makes more.

 

I know this is going to sound cynical, but hear me out... In cases of divorce, at least here in Texas. The man almost always gets stuck. Unless the woman is proven to be completely unfit, she gets the children, house, child support, etc. Whenever children are involved the courts will always, without exception act in what they believe the best interest of the children to be. What are they to do in cases of Two mothers or Two fathers... I don't know

 

Oh well, Bart... you have a really good point. The line still needs to be drawn... perhaps any two consenting adults?

[bart1123]

Agreed, a union between 2 consenting adults. To be honest I hadn't thought of it from the tax angle, good point as well.

 

In as much as the children are concerened, I'm not sure either. A split of any kind will always be difficult for a child, no matter their age or their parental situation (does that make sense ? ). I guess the simple answer is which ever parent would be able to better care for the child, but even in heterosexual break-ups that is difficult to determine. I guess no easy answer there except that you hope that the parents determine what is best and as a last resort a third party (courts/lawyers).

Thanks for the opinions

See 'round the forum

Bart

[lokibird]

Without getting into the name calling pissing match between you two, and without giving my opinion on whether or not two humans should be allowed to join in a civil union, I must then question by both of your "arguements" where you stand on multiple people getting married as certain well-known and highly publicized faiths have ok'd in the past and is held illegal by the predominent of American society. :o

[bart1123]

Without getting into the name calling pissing match between you two

I'm not sure what you are reffering to, this was in my opinion a very civil debate.

 

I must then question by both of your "arguements" where you stand on multiple people getting married as certain well-known and highly publicized faiths have ok'd in the past and is held illegal by the predominent of American society

 

I am assuming that your cryptic description is in reference to the Mormans (Church of Latter Day Saints) and the practice of Polygamy. This is actually something I haven't given much thought about. My gut says that so long as it does not cause harm to anyone, and that all members of the relationship(s) agree and know of one another then there should not be an issue. I'll think on this one and get back to you on what, if any, my deeper thoughts are on this.

 

Good question, got me thinking now

 

Bart

[lokibird]

Acutually , I was referring to more than just the Mormon faith as many Native American tribes also allowed marrying multiple individuals. In addition, men marrying multiple wives is also demonstrated in the old testiment (also followed by other faiths). I was just trying to widen the disscussion. So that it would not lead merely into name calling or hate-bashing of one side or the other. (The pissing match was referring to more earlier when the posted comments were merely explitives being exchanged back and forth).

[OmegaManiac]

[. In addition, men marrying multiple wives .SIGN ME UP!

[phreakwars]

[. In addition, men marrying multiple wives .SIGN ME UP! :D

 

Your out of your fucking mind, one bitch is enough for any guy to handle.

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[bart1123]

Acutually , I was referring to more than just the Mormon faith as many Native American tribes also allowed marrying multiple individuals. In addition, men marrying multiple wives is also demonstrated in the old testiment (also followed by other faiths). I was just trying to widen the disscussion. So that it would not lead merely into name calling or hate-bashing of one side or the other. (The pissing match was referring to more earlier when the posted comments were merely explitives being exchanged back and forth).

 

I didn't know about that being a custom in Native American tribes...being Chickasaw I can only assume it is no longer practiced snaps fingers .

I apologize that I haven't done what I said I would and give this some thought...a sick 1 year old and 3 year old can take up all free time

I do know that the Old Testament talked about it and that for that time it was widely practiced. But then again there are many things in the Old Testament that are not and should not be practiced today, in my opinion. Without sparking an "Evolution" debate (already one on the forum anyway) I beleive that we as a species evolve and things that made sense or were practical 2000+ years ago do not necessarily apply to today.

Without doing much (read any) research, I would guess that at the time having multiple wives was a method of survival. Life expectancy was, I assume much shorter than it is today and to insure that your blood line was continued it may have been necessary to take more than one wife to increase the chance of your children surviving. Lets say it was customary for a man to father 8 or more children (Jacob had 12), I know my wife was more than done after 2 so I can only imagine that no matter how subservient the wives were back then the idea of having 12 kids would push any woman over the edge

However in a day when the world population is growing exponetionally the idea of having multiple wives to produce an entire football team seems almost irresponsible.

Gonna wrap this up for now...I apologize if this is dis-jointed, but talking off the top of my head will often produce those results.

 

Thanks for the topic...looking forward to what you have to say.

 

Bart

[lokibird]

I didn't know about that being a custom in Native American tribes...being Chickasaw I can only assume it is no longer practiced snaps fingers .

Bart

 

I can tell you that in my Great Basin Indian (Anthropology 461) at the University of Nevada, Reno (taught by Catherine Fowler, Ph.D.), we studied that it was practiced by many tribes in the Great Basin. I can specifically recall it when we studied the Washoe tribe which is one that inhabited the Carson City area and Reno area in Nevada. I do not believe that it is still practiced by the tribes but please recall that I was referring historically to groups in general as a topic booster.

 

-from Indians of the Great Basin (http://www4.hmc.edu:8001/humanities/basin/gb-title.htm)

[lokibird]

the idea of having multiple wives to produce an entire football team seems almost irresponsible.

Bart

 

 

I am not excluding multiple husbands and one wife either lol

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

How about same-sex polygamy where one man marries two other men? I think that is what's known as a cluster f-ck.