Jesus in the Glorious Qur'an

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

No darling it doesn't put anything to light.It is a contradiction.

''Thou shall not kill'' has one meaning.

 

Read this line again:

but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

Why kill an infant and suckling? What crimes did they commit?Answer these two simple questions,then I assure you,you'll shine alot of light.

 

No sane person can take this verse out of context.

[papabryant]

No darling it doesn't put anything to light.It is a contradiction.

''Thou shall not kill'' has one meaning.

 

Read this line again:

but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

Why kill an infant and suckling? What crimes did they commit?Answer these two simple questions,then I assure you,you'll shine enough light.

 

The proper verse translation is "Thou shalt not murder" for starts.

 

Because those would have been

 

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of. (Innocent girls could at least contribute to their upkeep, and who would have fed the sucklings? By ANE standards, admittedly not as sophisticated as our own, this was concidered doing them a favor - dying quickly instead of dying slowly of hunger because the Israelite women couldn't give them milk. )

 

2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel. (Girls were not concidered a threat since family alliances were through males who would not be given away to another family.

 

Philo asserted that the Israelites actually spared the little boys, although the Hebrew text doesn

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of.

 

2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel.

 

Excuse me,while I go throw up!!! So I guess with these reasons it is acceptable to you that infants should be slayed?

Not good enough,sirrah,just sickening.

[Mr X]

What? These so called apostles contradict themselves.If they all received the word of Jesus/God then why are there so many different contradictions in what the wrote?

How come none of them wrote that Jesus said:''worship me,Iam God''?

This also shows how false their message was.I'm not saying that there are no words of truth in the bible,but they are just blotted out by the many lies and contradictions.

 

umm AIG don't get angry with me...but I stated that Jesus is not God.My views are not representative of the whole of chrisendom.It really comes to individual interpretation..The apostles did not say he was God...but were trying to explain that God spoke through him...just like the prophets..but also he was to fulfil prophecy as foretold in the old testament..he was the messiah...if you read your trusty bible...remember there was a star above bethlehem,clue star=angel.Mary was warned by Gabriel that she would have the child.

 

 

The Quran also speaks of desciples but none of them claimed that Jesus(may peace be upon him) is God.They were just his helpers in spreading the message of God,which was to worship Him alone.Not along with a father,son or ghost.Just Him alone.

 

helpers according to Mohammed and co huh?so what was the holy ghost all about and what powers did they drive out demons with?. Spiritual concepts that poor mohammed could'nt understand.

 

 

''O you who believe!Be you helpers(in the cause)of Allah as said Isa(Jesus),son of Maryam(Mary),to the Hawarriyun(the desciples):''Who are my helpers(in the cause) of Allah?'' The Hawarriyun said:''We are Allah's helpers(i.e.we will strive in his cause!)...''

 

 

Oh great that helps...According to mohammeds and co's book again huh.If mohammed knows which parts of the bible were blotted out and rescripted..why did'nt he just write his version and call it"the real deal bible".

 

 

You know AIG,I think mohammed should have stuck to camel trading ,I mean 29 wives is a big responsibility,he's totally f everything up with his book.

 

To many bad jinns riding the poor fella

[papabryant]

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of.

 

2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel.

 

Excuse me,while I go throw up!!! So I guess with these reasons it is acceptable to you that infants should be slayed?

Not good enough,sirrah,just sickening.

 

Not acceptable. Just the realities of the times.

 

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

 

Given the realities of the times, the Israelite actions are far more understandable than the Wahaabists.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

You know AIG,I think mohammed should have stuck to camel trading ,I mean 29 wives is a big responsibility,he's totally f everything up with his book.

 

To many bad jinns riding the poor fella

 

You know Mr X Iam yet to see you state anything with substance.All you say is ''I think this,I think that''.Speak of facts instead of running your mouth.

I'd like to know all the names of these ''29 wives''.

 

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

 

Nice Try sir,but this event never took place.Give me your source.

The Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) went to speak to the leaders of Taif about the message.They threw him out and sent the city's children to stone him.He bled from head to toe,but he forgave them.This is the only event of Taif I know of.

God ordered the muslims to never touch children,women,the old,the sick,the trees,animals,poor people.They were to fight only those that expelled them from their homes and wronged them.

So I don't think you should lie to justify the verse for your bible.

MRIH,you wanted a contradiction,I gave it.Now you explain to me how God can say two different things.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

MRIH,you wanted a contradiction,I gave it.Now you explain to me how God can say two different things.

You specifically said "Apostles made contradictions." well Samuell was not an Apostle.

 

2ndly, The 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill." can not be taken so literally and was not intended so. Does it mean that I can't spray bugs in my yard, or kill a head of lettuce to make a nice salad? Of course not! You have to realize that the commandement is speaking of murder, and only murder as an individual act of consciousness. God kills people every day, which is his right to do, afterall it is our punishment for sin. So If you think that the bible contradicts itself because God kills and the 6th commandment is there, then you need your head examined!

 

furthermore, as long as this debate remains in the "piss-pot", I will not answer anymore of your silly questions.

[papabryant]

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

 

Nice Try sir,but this event never took place.Give me your source.

 

My source is the academic textbook "A History of Islamic Civilization" but if you would prefer a Muslim account of my "lie".

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/wah-38.html

 

If you have a problem with the facts that Muslims killed other Muslims at Ta'if in the 1860's (NOT when Mohammed visited the city) take it up with your fellow Muslims, friend - because they are the ones telling us it happened.

 

If you are simply trying to incite, stop. The Biblical passages are not a contradiction for the reasons I gave.

 

God ordered the muslims to never touch children,women,the old,the sick,the trees,animals,poor people.They were to fight only those that expelled them from their homes and wronged them.

So I don't think you should lie to justify the verse for your bible.

 

You should apologize now for stating I have lied when now fellow Muslims have stated I told the truth about Ta'if. The Qur'an does not allow you to insult the People of the Book when they have not dealt with you dishonestly. You have dishonored your Prophet. Set things right. Now.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

papabryant,that story is not true because it is not from any of the authentic hadith.If it was an authentic hadith,I would not argue about it.

I should not have called you a lier cos you didn't know that it was not authentic.

I never insult the people of the book,but just go and read the things your fellow christians on this site have said about Islam,muslims and the Quran.

 

 

2ndly, The 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill." can not be taken so literally and was not intended so. Does it mean that I can't spray bugs in my yard, or kill a head of lettuce to make a nice salad? Of course not! You have to realize that the commandement is speaking of murder, and only murder as an individual act of consciousness. God kills people every day, which is his right to do, afterall it is our punishment for sin. So If you think that the bible contradicts itself because God kills and the 6th commandment is there, then you need your head examined!

 

Oooh MRIH,heat getting to ya? I also said so many times that your bible is full of contradictions.And you asked for examples many times.The problem with you is that when someone prooves you wrong you get angry and say you won't answer anything or you put them in your ignore list.

The fact is that your bible says ''slay infants,sucklings and non-virginal women''.No one said anything about bugs and lettuce.

And it is a contradiction because both orders are said to have been given by God.It doesn't matter who said it.They are from your bible(s).

 

I don't understand why you're defending your bible so much,when you yourselves contradict the bible with your actions:

 

"And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)"

 

oops,there goes your Christmas and Easter ham and pork.

 

And what a hypocrite you are MRIH.You keep screaming that muslims are ordered to kill any one who leaves Islam.

well,well,well,look at the wisdom found in your bible:

 

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)"

 

"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die. (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)"

 

Your bible orders death for many things,and you have the gull to speak against the Quran:

 

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

 

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

 

"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)"

 

Where is the Divine Wisdom and Perfection in that?

 

I only see double-standard hypocrisy and CLEAR-CUT stupidity!

[papabryant]

papabryant,that story is not true because it is not from any of the authentic hadith.If it was an authentic hadith,I would not argue about it.

I should not have called you a lier cos you didn't know that it was not authentic.

I never insult the people of the book,but just go and read the things your fellow christians on this site have said about Islam,muslims and the Quran.

 

Apology accepted, although I would and still do argue that the incident did happen in Ta'if. I doubt that an "official" hadith would have been written since this is an event of the modern era. Perhaps there are more Muslim takes on the event that I am not aware of. (I would be interested in reading those accounts.)

 

And I agree about with what you say about others and their insults. Two people of different religions can get into heated discusions about religion without resulting in insults or hatred.

 

Have a good day, my friend.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting crap like this:

 

''The koran is pig-crap.

mohammed is a pedophile.

mecca is a demon city.

medina is the city of whores.

islam is satan's religion.

ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

 

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a pussy and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off.

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting crap like this:

 

''The koran is pig-crap.

mohammed is a pedophile.

mecca is a demon city.

medina is the city of whores.

islam is satan's religion.

ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

 

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a pussy and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off.

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).

AIG, I told you I would happy to bebate this outside of the "Piss-Pot"... "Debate" area perhaps... This is not an unreasonable request, Even YOU can find the debate area. I tell you what, since it is appaenetly too difficult for you, I will start a thread for you there.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

AIG, I told you I would happy to bebate this outside of the "Piss-Pot"... "Debate" area perhaps... This is not an unreasonable request, Even YOU can find the debate area. I tell you what, since it is appaenetly too difficult for you, I will start a thread for you there.

 

Why thank you very much.How noble of you.But I don't know why the title reads ''biblical contradictions for AIG''.It's actually for you darling.

I'm also sickened by your hypocrisy.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Why thank you very much.

You're welcome.

 

How noble of you.

Charmed.

 

But I don't know why the title reads ''biblical contradictions for AIG''.

The post was done by me for you. Is my english incorrect?

 

It's actually for you darling.

Certainly, if you had followed the instructions in the first place. Say YOU had posted it FOR ME.

 

I'm also sickened by your hypocrisy.

Yes, and the entire world is sickened by the foul stench of islam.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Yes, and the entire world is sickened by the foul stench of islam.

 

Nah,I believe the stench is coming from the slayed infants,sucklings and non-virginal women.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Nah,I believe the stench is coming from the slayed infants,sucklings and non-virginal women.

In either case the stench comes from muslim countries.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

In either case the stench comes from muslim countries.

 

Ofcourse,such perfection radiates for you.We're are very lowly.God prefers you to us.I bet you already believe this anyway.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Ofcourse,such perfection radiates for you.We're are very lowly.God prefers you to us.I bet you already believe this anyway.

What do you think?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

What do you think?

 

Oh,how christian of you.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Oh,how christian of you.

That's not an answer AIG!

[Mr X]

Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting crap like this:

 

''The koran is pig-crap.

mohammed is a pedophile.

mecca is a demon city.

medina is the city of whores.

islam is satan's religion.

ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

 

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a pussy and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off.

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).

 

 

All mohammed had to do AIG was verify that he was indeed talking to Gabriel...like asking"Is jesus the messiah and the Son of God?"

 

probably why satan chose this illiterate fool.

 

btw Islam came bout 300 years after christ..there were christian sects around.

 

This is evident in the so called hadiths...why do muslim woman wear hajaabs for instance?.Where in the qur'an does it say to wear them or the hadiths...it was a plagarism from the christians of the time.

 

Aisha was taken as a wife three years after khadijah death...she was six at the time..he is said to have consumated with at the age of 9.If that is the case..why don't muslims like from uhlul sunnah and shiah follow this example?.They argue that it only applied to the prophet..as they find giving their own daughters at that very age disgusting.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

All mohammed had to do AIG was verify that he was indeed talking to Gabriel...like asking"Is jesus the messiah and the Son of God?"

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here.

 

Aisha was taken as a wife three years after khadijah death...she was six at the time..he is said to have consumated with at the age of 9.If that is the case..why don't muslims like from uhlul sunnah and shiah follow this example?.They argue that it only applied to the prophet..as they find giving their own daughters at that very age disgusting.

This has been answered many times.The fact that people accuse the prophet of child molestation is stupid.That was 1400 years ago.Culture was different back then as you well know.

In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too.

So as times change,cultures change.

[Mr X]

Oh..ok AIG

 

I'll come to you from a different angle.

 

Mohammed, would have had some knowledge on the bible prior to his supposed encounter with Gabriel.How would have he known what was good or evil?...angel versus devil. about who God was..or who Gabriel was.

 

The point I was making(sorry if I explained poorly) was that there were christian sects around saudi...mohammed even though illiterate could have been taught "verbally" some passages of the bible.The bible clearly warns of false prophets and angels of light..who are really angels of darkness...in other words ,e.g satan appearing in the form of gabriel trying to decieve you.

 

There is one way to check if Gabriel was really Gabriel...is asking the question "Is Jesus the messiah..the Son of God?"

 

Satan would have to have said "NO"...The real Gabriel would have answered "YES"

 

Mohammed did not ask this question.Therefore he does not know who he really is talking to.

 

 

 

on a different subject

 

And yes AIG the bible is not perfect...for whatever reason whether it be translation or corruption of conotation and original implied meaning etc...that is not the fault of the innocent folk who had nothing to do with it..but the main theme is still present.Jesus is the messiah and the Son of God..and the intermediary between us and God..etc etc etc.And anyway what does one gain by rescripting the bible?

 

btw there are folk who believe it this way...like me

 

God=Father/Jehovah The Holy Ghost is the extension of his power

Jesus=Son of God/Angel/Messiah/the word of God

Gabriel=Son of God/Angel

Lucifer/Satan=Son of God/Angel/Devil

 

Jesus is not God...but the Son of God(angel)....they are two different distinct individuals.Yes I dissagree with other christian sects that say Jesus is God...that does not make sense..as Jesus would not have prayed on his knees if he was God...and conversed with himself...really ridiculous..they kind of make him a schizophrenic with an identity crisis.They don't understand that Jesus was teaching them the concept of telepathy(I don't know a better word than that).

 

 

I'll end it for now

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

''Mohammed, would have had some knowledge on the bible prior to his supposed encounter with Gabriel.How would have he known what was good or evil?...angel versus devil. about who God was..or who Gabriel was.

 

The point I was making(sorry if I explained poorly) was that there were christian sects around saudi...mohammed even though illiterate could have been taught "verbally" some passages of the bible.The bible clearly warns of false prophets and angels of light..who are really angels of darkness...in other words ,e.g satan appearing in the form of gabriel trying to decieve you.

 

There is one way to check if Gabriel was really Gabriel...is asking the question "Is Jesus the messiah..the Son of God?"

 

Satan would have to have said "NO"...The real Gabriel would have answered "YES"

 

Mohammed did not ask this question.Therefore he does not know who he really is talking to.''

 

Muhammed(pbuh) used to go to the cave of Hira to seek some peace of mind.

He did not understand why people worshipped images of their own manufacture.He did not like the ignorance people lived in(drinking,and using women and discarding them,slavery).Though he knew that there must be a purpose for this life,it was hard for him to figure out.He wanted guidance more than anything,probably why God chose him.God sent Gabriel to answer his questions and to guide him to his Creator.Gabriel revealed the first verses of the Qu'ran.

Jesus is not the son of God.The point you're trying to make is still beyond me.Honey even satan knows that Jesus is not the son of God,but makes you believe so to deviate you from the right path.But that's just what I believe.

Gabriel would have never answered YES!We have different ideas of Gabriel so I doubt this argument will get anywhere.

There were no christian sects in saudi,they were pushed out.Idolatry was the main practice in saudi.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Muhammed(pbuh) used to go to the cave of Hira to ...

... masturbate and sodomize 6 year olds.

 

He did not understand ...

True.