Science and Religion

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

You've really little.

Where's my moron to English translator?

 

If you're missing the point then thats your problem,

You have no point to miss.

 

Firstly, again with the nazis....not every nazi was for the whole nutcase trip, the fuck heads really were the minority, but they had power.

Oh great, now it's ok to be a nazi ???? just not a terrorist nazi.

 

( If you didn't know this, try reading The Wave, its kinda dumb but it might give you a idea of that whole situation)

Now, why would I read a dumb book recommended by a dumb individual? That would be dumb

 

you did bring up a decent point about slavery being common place

There are thousands of worldly ills that are socially acceptable, but wrong nonetheless.

 

(keep it up and people might start respecting your opinions,

I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks, and expecially not an imbecile like you!

 

just loose the unessessary insults)

The insults are necessary to wake up dumb-asses!

 

But as far as that is concerned, you must keep in mind the political structure of the time (there was pretty much only one basic systeme) there was many power hungry fools, with power, who ran the show only for their betterment. It was widely accepted because of how the populations of the planet were developped.

Slavery is still wrong, dip-shit! Excuse it all you want, but it is wrong!

 

(learn a little socioology then get back to me on that)

I have more knowledge in my little pinky than you have in your entire body, don't condescend to me, you moron! (Go learn how to debate and then get back to me )

 

It is this same developpment the gives you the values that are held today, over time these will constantly change so to say that there is an absolute right or wrong simply can't work. (I'm not saying i support lynching or slavery, i would fight to stop it, but most wouldn't many years ago in their respective regions)

It's still wrong, dip-shit!

 

Anyhow, the rest of your rambling was just your failure to understand my points and i feel no need to furthur prove what i'm saying.

Your points? like the point on your head?

 

(oh and for the record, my IQ is about twice your estimate, insulting people isn't gonna get you anywhere)

I estimate your IQ to be about 35... do the math, einstein!

 

P.S: would somebody respectable comment on my entries, i enjoy good arguement, this ranter is boring me.

No need.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Well you thought wrong buddy...

 

"According to Hostensius, once a girl was physically ready to consummate a sexual relationship, she was ready for marriage, and the same was true for boys. However, since puberty came earlier for females than males, they could marry at a younger age (usually, he said, girls were ready at age twelve and boys at age fourteen) (Brundage, 434)."

So how many 9 year olds are ready?

 

So what about all your pedo Christian ancestors? I guess its perfectly acceptable for them to commit atrocious acts, since its in the name of God almighty an whatnot, but when a Muslim does it hes labeled a horrible person?

I'm really tired of you morons who can't distinguish abcient history from current events... You belong in the idiot box for sure!

 

And unlike half the garbage you spew, I can actually post a source for this.

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/sex-spouses.shtml

 

Here's one for you... http://www.crazywumbatisstupid.com

 

 

 

The same thing could be said about Christianity.

And I'm sure you'll say it!

 

What you seem to do in all your Anti-Islamic posts is talk about how horrible and brutish Islam is, but refuse to see that your religion has done the same horrible things, many times on a much wider scale. Until you can realize that then your arguments hold no validity.

DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANCIENT HISTORY AND CURRENT EVENTS? apparently not!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Firstly, god i'm glad to see there is somebody with half a brain.

Now together you have a whole brain!

 

Secondly, the only thign i;ld like to say is;

moron to English translation?

 

saying Christrens suck too won't go anywhere good, any religon isn't good or bad. One, whats good or bad will varie, its followers will differ from the morals of other religions (but any major religion, the message is pretty much the same; Fuck off and be kind!)

and two, that good and bad shit is also interpreted differently amoung the followers of the same religion, please note the factioning of religions as an example of interpretation. That alone i think is proof that no religion is 'Bad' in a sense, they are far too varied (though personally, i think we'd be better off not having created religion of anykind, but that is just opinion.)

Oh and saying christiens have been fucking things up on a wider scale is true, but not because of the religion, but remeber, were coming off the time of the british empire (christiens) so its not fair to blame the religion in that situation.

 

Anywho, good stuff.

I am through debating retards. I will wait for MJ (He is horribly deceived, but he is at least highly intelligent).

[OmegaManiac]

Was there a debate in there somewhere? guess I missed it.

[Crazywumbat]

So how many 9 year olds are ready?

 

I'm really tired of you morons who can't distinguish abcient history from current events... You belong in the idiot box for sure!

 

 

 

Here's one for you... http://www.crazywumbatisstupid.com

 

 

 

And I'm sure you'll say it!

 

DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANCIENT HISTORY AND CURRENT EVENTS? apparently not!

 

 

Yeah because calling Mohammed a pedophile is certainly current history....ass.

 

Also the source i quoted said that it was generally acceptable for women to be married at 12, but I'd be willing to bet that more than a few people got married, or were forced to marry, well before age 12.

 

And that link you posted....oh so clever....thanks for reminding me what 2nd grade was like, I almost forgot.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Yeah because calling Mohammed a pedophile is certainly current history....ass.

Yes, ASS... The followers are current, and currently performing acts of terrorism... Of course if you weren't soooooo stupid you'd have known that! The fact is that CURRENTLY there are followers of a known pedophile, ass.

 

Also the source i quoted said that it was generally acceptable for women to be married at 12, but I'd be willing to bet that more than a few people got married, or were forced to marry, well before age 12.

You guess? You speculate? but you're so stupid... what gives your guesses credibility?

 

And that link you posted....oh so clever....thanks for reminding me what 2nd grade was like, I almost forgot.

It's just as credible as the one you posted!

[Crazywumbat]

Yes, ASS... The followers are current, and currently performing acts of terrorism... Of course if you weren't soooooo stupid you'd have known that! The fact is that CURRENTLY there are followers of a known pedophile, ass.

 

You guess? You speculate? but you're so stupid... what gives your guesses credibility?

 

It's just as credible as the one you posted!

 

Yeah the fact is that CURRENTLY there are followers of a known pedophile THAT DIED 1500 YEARS AGO! ....and just cuz one important relgious figure in a religion did it that means all followers of that religion did it? So by your reasoning all the current Christians are just as bad as the ones that committed atrocious acts in the Crusades or Inquisition?

 

Yeah, anyone would have speculated the same thing, and atleast I'm guessing based on some actualy information, unlike you who seems quite fond of pulling complete BS outta his ass.

 

And I posted a link to an actual website...so saying the shit you made up is just as credible goes to show just how smart you really are...ass.

[Gentilhomme]

I've tried, and wish to no longer hear the jingoistic rants. If you are as intelligent as you clame then start making some good points. 90% of what your saying is insults, if you can't fill at least a paragrapth of reasonable thought then there is really no point in my reading of your posts. Those commiting acts of terrorism do fly Mohammeds banner yes, but that dosn't make islam evil.

 

Just as with the nazis, which you so love, these shitheads make up a small portion of the greater body that is islam (not saying islam is 'the nazis' but in this comparision they'ld be represented by Germnay as a whole). Their fight is more politically based then religious (despite the face put on it by its leaders) so enough already. (and as for your commetn about it being ok to be a nazi, if somebody said "you nazi...or die!" you'ld probably go along, and if you didn't, you were tossed into a funny smelling chamber. thereby leaving the lions share of germany nazis. forced or otherwise. mostly forced) And if you're so narrow minded as to not understand the conditions in which people like Mohammed lived in centuries ago then there no point.

 

"You guess? You speculate? but you're so stupid... what gives your guesses credibility?"

There is such thing as an educated guess, its when somebody (preferably of intelect, and that dosn't count him out so don't bother syaing it...) creates a hypothese based on reason and knowledge of the subject. Being so intelligent i'm sure you already knew that....

 

finally, if you know more about Sociolgy then me then please enlighten me with the REAL sociological explination of how people developped... (oh and one more thing, you guessed my IQ at 65, not 35... have you no memory, or atleast the ability to return and read you latest posts. but in the end its quite irrelavent since IQ is a representation of combine mental capability and has nothing to do with knowledge)

[Gentilhomme]

People don't model their lives after after every aspect of their religious figures, they get a message, one that means something to them, then they go form there (the ones that do go letter for letter we call nutcases, psycopaths and various other names that befit their grim interptation of religious docterines. Of course not ALL hardcore religoious folk are bad in a "i'ma hang yous because the DAVIL made yas, if god did you'ld be the same colour as me's!!" kinda way, but too often do they attempt to force there beliefs on others in ways ranging form irritating to massicre-istic.

Oh,. and if mohammed was a hypocrit, and bad, that would make is teachings good would it not? (it may be simplifying a little but still, think about it...) Not to mention the fact that Christ is a very poorly documented fellow, there is little in the way of real records (aside form the new testamet which holds litle value in the way of in-arguable fact, was writen long afetr his journeys and is DEFINATLY a holy book. Mohammed on the other hand we know more about outside of the religious teachings. He can't hide behind the same cloud as christ (i'm not putting christ down, but there really is little in the way of a play-per-play christ christ book, he's too old =P)

 

and one quik'un; with all this pedophile talk, has anybody said anything of the billions of dollers spent by the cathloic church on settlement due to father bad touch. (and all his friends!) Just to toss out something else to piss about .

[Gentilhomme]

Ok, i'm a little drunk right now and felt the need to post something, somewhere, so.....................................

 

A bolt of lightning, the thunder that followed and an attempt to scream all ended in failure!

I tried to scream out for Batman to rush to my aid but my voice came out as only the sound of silver trumpets. This may cause problems at my trial this afternoon. It didn

[RoyalOrleans]

I was going to say that.

[SoNyaThEBiTcH]

haha i agree with you totally silmaril, im an atheist and i go t a catholic school, which happens to also be a long story about how my dad is paranoid and it happens to be an ALL GIRLS SCHOOL, yea but ne wayz religion has no real expllanations, and we dont need science to abck up ne thing, the bible is just plain shit, we all came from 2 ppl, yea right we would all be defected, fucked up, and how did different races become? o i forgot dirt? hah yea and god forbifd we only had one f each animal, animals would have to fuck their mothers to make more, and they would all be mental too, bottom line, science is the future of our world!

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Yeah the fact is that CURRENTLY there are followers of a known pedophile THAT DIED 1500 YEARS AGO!

Exactly...

 

....and just cuz one important relgious figure in a religion did it that means all followers of that religion did it?

Mohammed(may piss be upon him) is the central figure in islam, so yes by following this religion one follows the central figure, duhhhhh!

 

So by your reasoning all the current Christians are just as bad as the ones that committed atrocious acts in the Crusades or Inquisition?

Neither the crusaders not the inquisitors are/were central figures in Christianity. Duhhhhhh! Of coarse, you'd have to have an IQ above 50 to know that, so you're excused.

 

Yeah, anyone would have speculated the same thing, and atleast I'm guessing based on some actualy information,

You're a proven moron, and your guesses are as as stipid as you.

 

unlike you who seems quite fond of pulling complete BS outta his ass.

back at ya!

 

And I posted a link to an actual website...

So what. I posted a link to a non existant website. for 30 bucks, I could register the domain and post some html code (cut right from this forum) and prove your stupid! so, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

 

so saying the shit you made up is just as credible goes to show just how smart you really are...ass.

Every thing I say is credible. Any proof, moron?

[Crazywumbat]

Exactly...

 

Mohammed(may piss be upon him) is the central figure in islam, so yes by following this religion one follows the central figure, duhhhhh!

 

Neither the crusaders not the inquisitors are/were central figures in Christianity. Duhhhhhh! Of coarse, you'd have to have an IQ above 50 to know that, so you're excused.

 

You're a proven moron, and your guesses are as as stipid as you.

 

back at ya!

 

So what. I posted a link to a non existant website. for 30 bucks, I could register the domain and post some html code (cut right from this forum) and prove your stupid! so, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

 

Every thing I say is credible. Any proof, moron?

 

 

God you're retarded.

 

Now while no one person during the Crusades was as important to Christianity as Mohammed is to Islam, when you take into consideration all the Kings, the Popes and Bishops that reigned over that time period then it comes pretty damn close.

 

And letme get this straight, I'm a moron because I use arguments backed up by facts, while you use ones backed up by opinions or utter fabrications...right..

 

And the website I posted was based on FACT. As in proven information, with research done to prove it. Also, I can remember plenty of times you have argued complete fabrications or refused to take into account the accepted behaviors of the time period in this thread as well as others (the whole Mohammed/pedophile thing, also the Homosexuals/pedophile thing too)....so yeah...I know all too well just how credible you are.

[OmegaManiac]

haha i agree with you totally silmaril, im an atheist and i go t a catholic school, which happens to also be a long story about how my dad is paranoid and it happens to be an ALL GIRLS SCHOOL,!

I like catholic school girls........Don't usually give a shit what they think about anything, but I like em just fine.

[RoyalOrleans]

Even though the Silmarils drove the Sons of Feanor crazy, I'm staying out of this discussion. Stupid Oath of Feanor.

[Gentilhomme]

Just as a little back-up, even though this central figure commited acts that we now deem sickening it dosn't change the fact that the current incarnation of islam dose not teach pedophilia.

 

"Now while no one person during the Crusades was as important to Christianity as Mohammed is to Islam, when you take into consideration all the Kings, the Popes and Bishops that reigned over that time period then it comes pretty damn close."

 

This isn't going to convince him of anything, but maybe if he were to think about the fact that all those mentioned were guided by there religious leaders, who guided their actions based on the Bibel's teachings (well to be fair, politics reared its ugly head in again), to carrey out these crimes, the same leaders who consented the slave trade and had a policy of non-intervention during the holocaust. (And they so enjoy interviening in the lives of others too.. )

 

Oh, while the offical face of the crusades was again religious, many historiens will tell you that it was more politcally based. The European nations response to the Byzantine's crys for help when the Turks were staging their famously long siege of Istanbul. Hmm, atrocity based on politcal gain with a religious face slapped on it, this seems awfully familier.....something to do with Al-Quada....?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Exactly...

 

Mohammed(may piss be upon him) is the central figure in islam, so yes by following this religion one follows the central figure, duhhhhh!

 

Neither the crusaders not the inquisitors are/were central figures in Christianity. Duhhhhhh!

 

 

Hmm...

 

MRIH says...

 

Mohammed = Central Figure in Islam

Mohammed = Bad Pedophile Dude

Followers of Mohammed = Bad Pedophile Dudes and Dudettes

Crusaders were not = Central Figures in Christianity

 

Hmm...

 

CES thinks...

 

Central Figures In Christianity....?

 

Tori Allen says

 

Pope = Leader of Christianity and Mother Church

 

Okay... So...

 

Popes = Central Figures In Christianity... Right? (According to MRIH reasoning)

 

Popes are good guys right so why would certain Christians be real scumbags?

 

Hmmmmmm............

 

 

When the College of Cardinals assembles to elect a new pope, many Catholics believe God's guiding hand will point them to the right man. Perhaps so. There certainly have been a number of inspired choices over the centuries. Yet in some of the most colorful elections of the past, the Holy Spirit seems to have taken a holiday.

 

This was particularly true during the Dark Ages, a low point in papal history, when worldly pontiffs ruled at the whim of powerful Roman aristocrats. Back then, before there was a College of Cardinals, family ties were a reliable way to secure the throne of St. Peter. (That is, for example, how John XI, reportedly the illegitimate son of Pope Sergius III and Marozia, a member of a powerful Roman family, became pope in 931.)

 

Holiness wasn't necessarily a prerequisite to becoming the Vicar of Christ in those days, nor was experience. Pope John XII was elected at the ripe age of 18, and proceeded to turn the Vatican into party central DUDE! . The German emperor Otto I wrote the teenage pontiff with concern: "Everyone, clergy as well as laity, accuses you, Holiness, of homicide, perjury, sacrilege, incest with your relatives, including your sisters." Little wonder John was dubbed the "Christian Caligula."

 

Election to the papacy during this seemingly pagan era was no guarantee of job security. A third of the popes enthroned between 872 and 1012 died violently, some at the hands of their successors. Others were deposed for their wickedness and fled Rome in fear of their lives. These were dark ages indeed.

 

Stephen VII, elected during perhaps the darkest of those days, in 896, was quite possibly the craziest pope who ever ruled. Not long after his ascension, Stephen convened what has become known as "the Cadaver Synod." He ordered the corpse of his predecessor, Pope Formosus, dug out of its grave and dressed in full papal vestments. The late pope was then propped up for trial on a number of charges. After he was convicted, his body was tossed into the Tiber River. Stephen himself was deposed, imprisoned and strangled several months later. WHOOPS

 

Papal elections became a bit more exclusive in 1059, when the College of Cardinals was formed and given sole dominion over the process. Not much changed, however, since the group consisted mostly of the same lines of aristocrats who had been choosing popes for centuries.

 

The cardinals proved themselves spectacularly inefficient after the death of Clement IV in 1268, when they took nearly three years to elect his successor. SAY WHAT? As their deliberations dragged on, officials in Viterbo, Italy, locked them in the local palace, removed the roof to expose them to the elements, and threatened them with starvation if they didn't make a quick decision. Blessed Gregory X was eventually elected, and subsequently established many of the rules of conclave that are followed today.

 

During this period, the papacy was reaching the zenith of its power and glory. The pope, once merely the bishop of Rome, was now more of an emperor who claimed both spiritual and temporal dominion over all of Christendom.

 

"Who can doubt that the priests of Christ [popes] are to be considered the fathers and masters of kings and princes and all the faithful?" Saint Gregory VII declared late in the 11th century.

 

It was these imperial pretensions that made the papacy a much bigger prize. Accordingly, the succession became even more obstreperous as greedy cardinals grasped for it.

 

In 1294, Boniface VIII came to occupy the most powerful throne in the world and enjoy all the wealth that came with it, by reportedly whispering into his simple-minded predecessor's ear as he slept: "Celestine, Celestine, lay down your office. It is too much for you."

 

Boniface, the last of the mighty medieval popes, got his comeuppance when he was crushed by King Philip IV of France. The papacy was then moved from its ancient seat in Rome to the fortified city of Avignon, France. It would be nearly a century before Rome reclaimed the papacy. In 1378, the cardinals elected Pope Urban VI. He was not a good choice.

 

"I can do anything, absolutely anything I like," Urban proclaimed. This self-ordained license apparently included the torture and murder of six cardinals who dared to defy him.

 

Realizing they had a complete maniac on their hands, the remaining cardinals elected a new pope who promptly moved to France. Urban had no intention of budging from his throne in Rome, however. Instead, he appointed his own cardinals and ruled from there.

 

Now there were two duly elected popes and two colleges of cardinals -- one in France, one in Italy. It was a mess doomed to get even messier. Each side kept picking its own pope whenever a vacancy opened until finally the two conclaves of cardinals united and elected Alexander V in 1409. Only hitch was, neither of the old popes was willing to step down.

 

Now, with three popes on the job, something almost democratic happened. A council was formed, including both lower clergy and even laity, to sort through the various claims. The situation was ultimately resolved at the Council of Constance, where everyone was deposed in favor of Martin V in 1417 -- just in time for the coming Renaissance.

 

As the rest of the Western world harked back to ancient Greece in an explosion of art and literature, the papacy seemed to turn to the Dark Ages for inspiration. It was an era of some of the most unholy popes ever.

 

Competition among cardinals continued to be savage when a vacancy opened on the papal throne. Pope Pius II later recalled the intrigue surrounding the conclave that preceded his own election in 1458: "The richer and more powerful members begged, promised, threatened, and some, shamelessly casting aside all decency, pleaded their own cause and claimed the papacy as their right. Their rivalry was extraordinary, their energy unbounded. They took no rest by day or sleep by night."

 

Nevertheless, that conclave was positively decorous compared with the one several years later when Rodrigo Borgia nearly bankrupted himself to become Pope Alexander VI. Borgia bribed his fellow cardinals with bags of bullion, money he had earned selling pardons for all manner of crimes, and could barely contain his glee when he won.

 

"I am pope, I am pope," he exclaimed as he donned his sumptuous new vestments.

 

Saint Peter would have been so proud.

[Gentilhomme]

That is some of the most entertaining Popery i've ever heard. A link of somekind would be nice though to give some more validity to this. I knew some of that but it could be shouted down as BS. Good work though.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Venerable Papal Tradition: The Very Smoke-Filled Room

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Do any of you morons actually feel threatened by Christian, Jewish, Budhist, Hindu, or Taoist Fundamentalists? I mean really worry that a terrorist cell from one of these organizations might purpotrate a terrorist act?

 

Now, do any of you morons feel threatened by Muslim Fundamentalists?

 

If your answers weren't: 1) No, 2) Yes ... then you either live on the moon, are an islamic terrorist already, or are completely brainwashed by the "islam is peaceful" lie.

[Gentilhomme]

Ok ok,

 

Christien- Is primary religion in most stable countries (no offence) These states can control any numbskullery that starts to happen. Exception- When the state supports the actions of these people (Ref: KKK; the states that support them are going to stand aside as much as possible) Then these groups can pull some shit. SO, if a christien fundamentalist, like say GW, were to take control of the planet's most powerful christien state then anyone he feels should be 'Enlightened (wither it be with democracy or otherwise) may want to take their bullet proof umbrella when to go to market. Or if somebody else with power, like say Osama Bin etc.. were to take control of a large number of fundamentlists, then even though they are without a territory, they make up a politcal group that runs pretty much as a Theocracy.

 

Jewish- Goto Isreal wearing an Afgan flag then get the executor of your estate to get back to me on that one.

 

Budhist- Non-violent. You can't be a fundamantalist Budhist and start cracking skulls, Then you're in the chinese army.

 

Taoist- Pretty much the same as above, isn't really prominat enough to pose a treat were they to hop over the black side of the ying yang.

 

Hindu- When your sleeping on the street every night, your back hurts too much to slaughter infidels

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

GentilHomme, Is English a second language for you? Your posts are getting harder and harder to decipher.

[Crazywumbat]

Do any of you morons actually feel threatened by Christian, Jewish, Budhist, Hindu, or Taoist Fundamentalists? I mean really worry that a terrorist cell from one of these organizations might purpotrate a terrorist act?

 

Now, do any of you morons feel threatened by Muslim Fundamentalists?

 

If your answers weren't: 1) No, 2) Yes ... then you either live on the moon, are an islamic terrorist already, or are completely brainwashed by the "islam is peaceful" lie.

 

1. Yes 2. Yes, but I highly doubt another attack will occur anytime in the near future.

 

I live in a pretty Christian-hickish type area, I'm quite frequently harassed when I display my Atheisnt beliefs or viewpoints by Christians. Now while there isn't an overwhelming amount of muslims in my area, the ones that are here are most certainly more accepting of my beliefs than the Christians around here are, so as a result I deffinitely feel personaly threatened more by Christians than I do by Muslims. And I believe the Jews in the ME are just as responsible for the going ons over there as the Muslims are.

[Gentilhomme]

Pour ces de vous qui savez rien du la langue francais, Gentilhomme=Gentleman.

Prends tes conclusions du cet fait.

 

And to make MIRH happy i fixed up my last post a little.