Lords Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Angie said Don't you realize they are getting you the refill to SAVE TIME so your service IS FASTER?? Sheesh. If you're not paying for it, what the hell do you care?? Get a grip! It's NOT saving time if I don't want the refill in the first place, it's actually WASTING not only my time, but other customer's time. It is also NOT trying to see "What does the CUSTOMER want?" I care because I am getting something I didn't order to my table. For example, I was a Red Lobster and the waiter decides to just come to my husband and I's tables to bring us refills we didn't order. I had just finished telling my husband before the waiter arrived at our table that I wanted coke instead of dr. pepper this time. Sure enough he brings dr. pepper. I NEVER ordered a second dr. pepper? He WASTED his time, my time, the other customer's time, product of the company, and another glass that has to be washed. If the server actually CARED about what the CUSTOMER wants, they would ASK. WHY should the server order for me? WHAT gives them that right? It's the CUSTOMER'S job to order, NOT the STAFF. Vortex said So your saying you would rather have an uncaring server that will not refill your beverage untill you ask HOW is that uncaring? It is UNCARING to ONLY think of what the server has to do and NOT what the customer desires? HOW TRUTHFULLY can you answer if they want a refill or not? YOU aren't a mind reader, YOU have NO CLUE. Yes, a lot of times I do want the same drink, but sometimes I feel like something different or sometimes I'm just full. I would STILL rather be asked because I am the customer, so what I want to order is what I want to order, if I even WANT to order anything else. There are other websites on the internet about servers. One person actually said "Thank you" for giving advice about not giving refills without asking because she actually said she was suprised at how many people decline refills and how many people change drinks mid-meal. For instance, my mother-in-law likes coffee as an after dinner drink. She actually doesn't usually drink soft drinks, but if she did, you'd get her a refill of coke and she would want a coffee. This is just an example of getting refills that were NEVER ordered. Vortex said But ill give you a tip.....DONT DRINK IT.....there problem solved!!! I don't want an extra glass in my way, NO THANKS. I also, more than likely, CHANGE drinks so that refill is brought to me for NOTHING. It just really irritates me that a server can't take extra steps to make sure you get what the customer wants? HOW will you know unless you ASK? Vortex said Wow..never heard of someone getting all riled up because someone was trying to give them good service.....Guess its true....servers cant win HOW is that good service to order for the customer? The CUSTOMER should make that decision, NOT YOU! Good service is satisfying the CUSTOMER , NOT to satisfy the server to not make as much trips. Vortex said ....(plus i have to go to the bar and get the bartender to refill them which takes time away from other tables....) So, you only care about the customers as a whole and NOT for EACH INDIVIDUAL customer. So if it takes an extra minute or 2 to make sure your customer is satisfied. Also, you may be SAVING a trip to the bar to begin with, you DON'T know. Even if MOST of the time people want the same drink, that doesn't mean EVERYTIME or that they even want more drink. Let customers order for THEMSELVES. Dispelling the myth that crackheads like me are just misunderstood. I
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Vortex, here is my slant... I don't want my conversation interrupted by the wait staff. I want my waiter within earshot at all times. This is the typical scenario I encounter at just about any restaraunt in th US: I sit down and peruse the menu abit. My company begins some small talk that escalates into meaningful conversation and right when I'm in the middle of some deep enlightenment I get interrupted by "What can I get you to drink?" or some other (I call it rude) interruption. Since this is so common, I try to ignore it and ask for some iced tea. After what seems like hours, the tea arrives and the waiter interrupts the now half-restarted conversation with "Are ready to order?" again, he doesn't wait for a break in the conversation he just buts right in. Ok, that's how it's played in the US so I just order. The conversation eventually heats back up while were waiting on the food. The tea is now out and I'm getting very thirsty. The waiter is no where to be seen. I don't really care to much but after about 10 to 15 minutes I start to get really annoyed. I don't want the mother-fucker's conversation or interruptions, I just want my tea refill. So I 'll ask the busboy to go find the waiter for me (actually, the busboy is everywhere and always convienient... unfortunately he doesn't speak english, so he has to settle for this job) Finally after being parched, and repeatedly being ignored by the waiter, he brings out the food with a very welcomed tea refill! I'm so happy, the waiter darts off and I begin to eat. Right when I begin to savor some delictable morsel I get interupted again by the same waiter with "How does everything taste?" Now I'm pissed! The asshole ignores me while I'm thirsty and wants to bother me while I'm eating! As I'm leaving, I hear the ringing of my goofy little brother (who is a waiter) in the back of my brain "make sure you leave a 15% tip, after all he earned it!". (I eat at home alot, BTW) The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Lords Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell sounds like you don't want ANY interruptions, I think you should stay home to eat then because the server HAS to do their job. If you don't like interruptions eat at home. I personally rather the server come to my table after I just started eating because I have had problems with my order before like food that was cold that was suppose to be hot and the wrong filling in my chimichunga or burrito. The server doesn't know that my order is cold or wrong by looking at it, so I feel it is nice that they come to ask if everything is ok. Also, tell the server that you don't like interruptions if you are that adamant about not being interrupted because you are going to be interrupted at a restaurant, sorry, but you more likely are. Also it seems like you want it both ways, you want the server to get you a refill and you don't want to be interrupted. Sorry, but its NOT that likely that that is going to happen. This is just my take on your posts. Get take out or cook, that's my advice. You seem to not be happy when you eat out. I am happy if the server thinks about the customer instead of themselves. I am happy when my food order is completely correct and I don't have to wait 10 minutes for my check to get rung up. I have had to wait 15 minutes before for the check to get rung up. I think that is TOO long for anyone to wait to leave, that's ridiculous. 1 Dispelling the myth that crackheads like me are just misunderstood. I
angie Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 How the HELL are they supposed to take your order if they can't interrupt you for thirty measly seconds of your less than profound conversation? Get a grip. Lords is right, if ya don't want to be interuppted, stay in your goddamn house. Sheesh. I pity the server who gets you at their table. All I know is if it was me, you bet your ass I'd be spittin in your food. http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 'Tipping 10 percent and under is downright cruel. ' Damn,now I finally know why the guy was staring me almost to death. hmmm? ain't that a bitch 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 How the HELL are they supposed to take your order if they can't interrupt you for thirty measly seconds of your less than profound conversation? Get a grip. Lords is right, if ya don't want to be interuppted, stay in your goddamn house. Sheesh. I pity the server who gets you at their table. All I know is if it was me, you bet your ass I'd be spittin in your food.They're supposed to WAIT attentively for me to begin ordering like good little minimum wage servants! After all, aren't they called WAITers? When I need something they are still supposed be within calling distance. They should "Be seen and not heard". They are servants not culunary overlords! Outside of the US, this is very common. I never get interrupted and my drinks are always refilled... So how the HELL are they supposed to do it? Use their brains, maybe? The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
angie Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Yeah...they've got fifteen other tables to serve, and they're going to sit around and wait for you? Bull shit. You are a waiter's worst nighmare, and you deserve all the shitty treatment they give you. http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Yeah...they've got fifteen other tables to serve, and they're going to sit around and wait for you? Bull shit. You are a waiter's worst nighmare, and you deserve all the shitty treatment they give you.And they deserve all the running around I give'em without a tip! The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
angie Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 You are SUCH a dickhead. Oi. http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 You are SUCH a dickhead. Oi.Thank you. BTW what is "Oi" ? The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
angie Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Thank you. BTW what is "Oi" ? You are welcome. It's an expression of frustration. Like when someones says "JESUS". Never heard anyone say "Oi vey"? Hm.. Must be a NY thing. Don't live in NY but damn close. http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Outlaw2747 Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Oi... "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Vortex Posted July 19, 2005 Author Posted July 19, 2005 They're supposed to WAIT attentively for me to begin ordering like good little minimum wage servants! After all, aren't they called WAITers? When I need something they are still supposed be within calling distance. They should "Be seen and not heard". They are servants not culunary overlords! Outside of the US, this is very common. I never get interrupted and my drinks are always refilled... So how the HELL are they supposed to do it? Use their brains, maybe? Well i usuually try to go to the table less than a minute from when they get seated...so there shouldnt be enough time for the meaningful conversation to start...so i dont interuppt anything but people opening their menues and pleasantries.....When its time to order ill walk up to the table and wait for them to look to my direction..or pause their conversation before i ask if they are ready....if not ill just wait till i see all menues closed...then come back... Thinking back on the refill argument....and being conscience of what i was doing i realized i usually ask if they want a refill the first time...after that i quit asking and just do it. If the customer wants to switch to a different drink then they should say so as the glass is rising off the table. Because people want to talk and not get interuppted, and thats how i eat out actually...but i unlike MRIH i realize my server is just doing their job. So my serving style is very low key...im not putting on a show or telling jokes or trying to entertain them . I just am like a silent ghost anticipating what my customers might need. ( some customers will start off the bat wanting to be "entertained" by joking with you and getting personal with you....these people i will switch on a very obtrusive waiting style because this is what they were looking for) - if my table is all talking & laughing...im going to sneak in grab their glass..fill it up and leave...no one is interuppted....im not going to interupt them with something so trivial as a drink refill, if they dont want it they will say so.... -When ordering deserts ill ask if they want coffee or espresso. its a courtesy because many people like coffee/espresso with their desserts....unfortunatley they ususally forget they want it or dont realize it till they have had one bite and im taking an order at another table... Anything that requires sugar i will ask with every refil as to not upset their sugar/drink ratio -If they order their salad sandwich Dry (or in customer speak...Dressing/condomants on the side) ill punch their order in go into the kitchen and get their dressing/mayo/etc out to the table right away....They then will have their piece of mind that they have what they asked for before the food runner gets it to the table! Same with catsup...ill put that on the table if a burger or fries are on any of the customers order Lords you worked at a diner/donut shop? Did you have any customers who were under 80 and still had their own teeth? -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
TheJenn88 Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Wow, I don't know if I agree that people should just tip. We're paying for the meal, and your boss pays you. Whether or not you get a tip at ALL is entirely depended upon your service. Restaurant meals are extremely overpriced (incl. things like wages, to pay people, etc.), but even then, I think expecting a tip is annoying. next time y ou buy a 75-100 dollar pair of running shoes, tip an extra 15-20 dollars for that poor kid in asia who's making your shoes for $0.50. Afterall, we pay that much for a meal, and we're expected to tip? hell, tip everyone that works hard and doesn't make enough money.
Vortex Posted July 20, 2005 Author Posted July 20, 2005 Wow, I don't know if I agree that people should just tip. We're paying for the meal, and your boss pays you. Whether or not you get a tip at ALL is entirely depended upon your service. Restaurant meals are extremely overpriced (incl. things like wages, to pay people, etc.), but even then, I think expecting a tip is annoying. next time y ou buy a 75-100 dollar pair of running shoes, tip an extra 15-20 dollars for that poor kid in asia who's making your shoes for $0.50. Afterall, we pay that much for a meal, and we're expected to tip? hell, tip everyone that works hard and doesn't make enough money. Ok, great fine...remove the tip...problem solved!!!!!!! Hardly No one would want to wait on people.....And thus restaurants would have to increase their wages....and thus increase the prices....so that 7$ burger would now be 14bux or more..... Plus the tip is an incentive for your server to try harder....if that was gone imagine the service you would get then....half assed and non existant.... Now you pay 15-20% of your meal...the bigger check price means the more they had to work for you....typcially im going to guess you never had to live off of tips before ever....... -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Big Momma Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I'm new here and Lords led me here. Thanks Lords! http://www.tipping.org/discus4/messages/9/2634.html?1127512828 Lest you servers despair, this woman is a lunatic so don't listen to her. She actually thinks people are "uncaring" if she has to wait 10 second for two sides of ranch, BBQ sauce, mayo and mustard. She's has issues. She's all over the internet telling servers how to do their jobs, and she has no idea what serving is all about. I've diagnosed her as having OCD in the area of waitstaff, with serious issues with mommy. Mommy must have had too many kids and poor Lords got attention out of turn. 1
sixes Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I like this one. She is talking about serving food. Thats points with me. .
Big Momma Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Thanks! I like my food, I'm all about the food. I'm also about treating servers with respect. This Lords person is insane. She's been terrorizing server sites for months. Read the link! I'm a former server and this whacko's ideas of serving are ridiculous. Tonight I'm serving angel hair pasta with a sauce of home grown tomatoes, basil, olive oil and garlic with a dusting of romano cheese. Wanna come over?
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 well she apparently left this site.....thank goodness. I could have gone rounds and rounds with her because i live the crap every single day. perhaps she left because i called her out on her donut shop job. Apparently the tip jar at the cash register is what she felt were tips.... My most recent favorite was i had 2 tables at the same time. Both 4 tops. Both Parents with 2 kids. Table A) Two VERY young kids. The parents were in a hurry because the kids were restless so i got the kids order in before i even went for their drinks. Took the parents order and rushed it in the kitchen as best as i could. Durning their meal they asked for boxes and the check. (they were there for approx 1/2 hour).... The Check: 55$ bill and they left me 16 bux and thanked me up and down for beeing speedy and helpful. I was shocked and gratefull! Table B) Two adults with 2 teenage kids. It was the wifes birthday. I spoke to the husband on the side to get the wifes name or nickname......with that i waited forever for the 2 kids to show up (over an hour) as they just sat there chatting drinking water with lemon. The kids sucked down rootbeer like they never had such a thing before...but they never had to ask i always swooped in and asked before they could make any sucking sounds blah blah blah.... Everything went fine, i had the bakery place a happy birthday note on the large rim of her dessert plate and lit a candle and tried to make her day better....(time spent at my table 2 hours) The check 83$ the husband slapped a 100$ in the check presenter and asked for change.....so he is getting 16 dollars back (not a good sign)...He left me 10. Hope the rich snooty wife enjoyed her ipod she opend up at the table....cheap fuck... shrug...im gonna be learning to cook on the line because im sick of ungrateful rich bastards thinking this is okay.... -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Big Momma Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Lords is a fucking lunatic. That said, I admire you and all servers for what you do. I only did it for a short time and it's hard work, and rarely respected. Let me guess. Table A left not because their children were ruining their meal, but the meals of diners around them? Ya think? When my kids were little I'd do that, and not even in fine dining. I'd pull them out of mom and pop places. If dinner was on the table and the kids acted up I'd ask for to-go boxes, box dinner up, leave a good tip and we'd be out of there. I never had a server that wasn't gracious about it either. They were surprised and grateful and helped us get the hell out of Dodge. Just because your spawn need to eat, you don't need to subject the world around you to their noise. More parents should know this. I don't know if it's the rich people that do what you're talking about. I know a lot of "rich" people and they would never behave in that manner, nor allow their children to act that way. Those people you're talking about are the people that "think" they're rich because they're able to go out to eat one night, have you to wait on them and don't have to eat hamburger helper that night. Chances are they do eat it the rest of the week. As for Table B, they're raising their children to be self-entitled pigs just like their parents. Chin up dude and good luck on the line. In some ways that work is harder.
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 Let me guess. Table A left not because their children were ruining their meal, but the meals of diners around them? Ya think? When my kids were little I'd do that, and not even in fine dining. I'd pull them out of mom and pop places. If dinner was on the table and the kids acted up I'd ask for to-go boxes, box dinner up, leave a good tip and we'd be out of there. I never had a server that wasn't gracious about it either. They were surprised and grateful and helped us get the hell out of Dodge. something like that...they said they wanted a beer and a meal before any of the (as they put it) "real diners" got close to their table... then they wanted to leave..... they were nice and felt bad for me having to rush...but each table is different and has their own needs... -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Lords Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 She actually thinks people are "uncaring" if she has to wait 10 second for two sides of ranch, BBQ sauce, mayo and mustard. I don't just wait 10 seconds, it's like 2 minutes. Secondly, if I've ordered it WITH MY MEAL, I should get it WITH MY MEAL. If the same person takes my order, this person that brings it out is the SAME PERSON, so they SHOULD REREAD the order, BEFORE taking it to me, plain and simple. It takes about 10 seconds just to walk to the kitchen, by the time you either get the condiments yourself or the cook gets it for you, it's been at least a good minute or longer by the time it arrives to my table. If the server writes it down, it's PATHETIC they can't get the order RIGHT the first time. At least say your sorry if you do forget something. That is the nice thing to do. Dispelling the myth that crackheads like me are just misunderstood. I
sixes Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 I don't just wait 10 seconds, it's like 2 minutes. Secondly, if I've ordered it WITH MY MEAL, I should get it WITH MY MEAL. If the same person takes my order, this person that brings it out is the SAME PERSON, so they SHOULD REREAD the order, BEFORE taking it to me, plain and simple. It takes about 10 seconds just to walk to the kitchen, by the time you either get the condiments yourself or the cook gets it for you, it's been at least a good minute or longer by the time it arrives to my table. If the server writes it down, it's PATHETIC they can't get the order RIGHT the first time. At least say your sorry if you do forget something. That is the nice thing to do. Well this forum rocks Lords. You should check out the paid membership area. There is alot more to GF than you can see as a regular member. Hense all the crazy shite going on all the time. LOL I love it! .
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 I don't just wait 10 seconds, it's like 2 minutes. Secondly, if I've ordered it WITH MY MEAL, I should get it WITH MY MEAL. If the same person takes my order, this person that brings it out is the SAME PERSON, so they SHOULD REREAD the order, BEFORE taking it to me, plain and simple. It takes about 10 seconds just to walk to the kitchen, by the time you either get the condiments yourself or the cook gets it for you, it's been at least a good minute or longer by the time it arrives to my table. If the server writes it down, it's PATHETIC they can't get the order RIGHT the first time. At least say your sorry if you do forget something. That is the nice thing to do. judging by your posts on this subject........ Im going to theorize that you probably either A) weigh over 200 pounds and need to eat every second of the day B) Work/worked at a donut shop/diner where a table for four the check equals about 25 bux (at the most) so a 4 dollar tip isnt really out of the guests pocket.........and since places like this (hell ill even throw out the name perkins or villiage inn) dont exactly SCREAM service....it is okay that 4 dollars is twenty percent...because your clientelle is crap... C) Worked as a server for (about a month or so) untill getting a kinda well to do man to take care of you and your watching his finances by undertipping to make your own frivolous spending seem "justified" D) all of the above... Darlin...what server on this earth wouldnt apologize to you if they messed something up? What Half way decent server wouldnt apologize if they did everything correctly and someone else brought it to your table wrong.... What decent server wouldnt correct these things for you?!?!?! You have some big issues...and frankly i would LOOOOVE to have you at my table to show you the service you deserve...i would welcome you to complain to my manager...stiff me and act like the big dumb yeti you are....... Moron! -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Big Momma Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Lords, honestly, in the grand scheme of life what is 2 minutes? The difference between life and death? It's FOOD for cripes sake! You seem to have a very unhealthy obsession with food and attention. Things that would be minor to most everyone in the world are a serious affront to you. Do you understand that people aren't perfect? You don't even consider "sorry" enough, you want the servers to be SO SORRY!!! Do you really think that because you're sitting at a table at Applebees you're royalty? Servers should bow down and kiss your ass? Those two minutes you spend frothing at the mouth waiting for your disgusting condiments could be better spent enjoying your husband's company. Spend those two minutes feeling sorry for the server, because he/she's so busy they made the cardinal mistake of forgetting you're royalty while you occupy that boof. Spend those two minutes in quiet contemplation thanking your lucky stars that you're alive to eat, and can afford to eat, unlike so many in NOLA and now Galveston. Get a grip and realize the true priorities in life. Isn't life just way too short to spend hundreds of hours typing the same things over and over, complaining about servers? And here's a clue. If you want exemplary service try eating at fine dining establishments. At Chili's and Applebees the customers are cattle. Just don't forget to tip 20%.
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