Dead Jesus

[Phantom]

JC is going to make a lot of money out of this.

 

They're paying Jesus Christ royalties from this? How generous!

[RoyalOrleans]

They're paying Jesus Christ royalties from this? How generous!

 

You didn't know that true meaning of his name?

 

YHWH is taxation? Sound familiar?

 

We are all in debt to that Jew.

[Phantom]

You didn't know that true meaning of his name?

 

YHWH is taxation? Sound familiar?

 

We are all in debt to that Jew.

 

First He wanted our souls... now He wants our money.

 

Time to pay the piper.

[hugo]

More words to live by.

 

Barry Goldwater quotes:

 

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

 

And here we encounter the seeds of government disaster and collapse -- the kind that wrecked ancient Rome and every other civilization that allowed a sociopolitical monster called the welfare state to exist.

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I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution ... or have failed their purpose ... or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should be attacked for neglecting my constituents' 'interests,' I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty, and in that cause I am doing the very best I can.

[Lethalfind]

Can someone please direct me to the nearest country where no one gives a shit about religion, god, islam, mohammed or anyone like that.

 

Fuckin bible beaters (jehovah witnesses) came to my door, they should be glad that I ONLY threatened to call the police if they didn't get off my property. I am godless enough to do far worse when caught in a foul mood.

[Phantom]

I am godless enough to do far worse when caught in a foul mood.

 

You need the love of Jesus. Are you ready for the afterlife and to receive God's beautiful gift of salvation?

[phreakwars]

Love of Jesus ?? When you die, you are fucking worm food.

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[Msixty]

Can someone please direct me to the nearest country where no one gives a shit about religion, god, islam, mohammed or anyone like that.

 

Sure, go NW until you hit Washington then take the highway north until you hit Canada.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, nobody cares.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, you can't hear it through the beer mug.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, they don't have enough teeth left after hockey to say anything.

 

[Msixty]

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.

 

That is probably the most important quote ever to be recorded.

 

2ND amendment people, it's there for a reason. DON'T BE THE U.K.

[Lethalfind]

I have heard all about the love of god and it's all bullshit, my Father was a minister and I was raised in religious private schools...

 

I am thinking of making up some t-shirts that say 'godless Heathen' on the back so that the bible beaters will run in the opposite direction from me when they see me.

 

Maybe I should make up a sign and hang it on my fuckin door so maybe when they have the balls to come back (which they no doubt will), they will have my little sign to read.

[eisanbt]

Sure, go NW until you hit Washington then take the highway north until you hit Canada.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, nobody cares.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, you can't hear it through the beer mug.

 

Canada: Because even if they have an opinion, they don't have enough teeth left after hockey to say anything.

 

 

Canada: Because our religious nutcase lawmakers are kept in check by a multi-party system that, combined with our trend of minority governments, forces them to collaborate if they want anything at all to become law or become nullified.

 

Canada: Because we're ramming less and less Christianity down the throat of folk who just want to carry on life in peace. Who, when they immigrate here, figured they come to a place where they could carry on a life free of persecution, where they could have Muslim and Jewish neighbours who only cause a hassle when the other isn't putting our their compost bin for pick-up.

 

This second one sure as hell is supposed to be the case in the US, but unless your government starts chipping in on making a educated population high priority(thereby adding to peoples understanding of others and diminishing the 'preacher' effect), than up-and-coming economies be stealing more than just manufacturing jobs from the 1st world; the population's inability to make informed choices, be tolerant of the West's inherient divesity, and not getting fucked over by those who want to abuse the power of public office will result in furthur degradation of the economic power and the west's unique form of freedom through the decline of the people's general awareness.

 

 

Sorry for derailing, just wanted to rant a bit as it has been awhile. :o

[Anna Perenna]

As soon as I saw that James Cameron produced it, I was immediately cynical.

 

I haven't seen the film and I'm not sure of its authenticity, but the one thing I do know about this topic is that James Cameron is going to make a lot of money out of this.

 

Edited for purposes I previously didn't know were necessary .....

[TooDrunkToFuck]

I don't see any laws that prevented Bill Gates or Sam Walton from getting ahead. In the ruthless capitalist society you speak of there would be no progressive taxation. Politicians will cater to the powerful. Bureaucracies, such as the FDA and DOT, do impose barriers to competition thus protecting existing drug companies at the expense of smaller, or prospective, ones. The answer is smaller government. The government that governs best governs least.

 

 

Uh, Social Security tax cap, for example? Reagonomics? The obvious fact that you can't exactly walk into a McDonald's homeless, looking dirty as hell, and ask for a job? I didn't say that it's impossible for poor people to become rich; just that the system is being shaped in such a way as to care primarily for those who are already rich and to concentrate power further. I agree with less laws in general, with the caveat that there should be greater opportunities for the poor to get jobs. Hell, just programs to help homeless people get a job at a fast food restaurant since most employers would reject them on paper. I'm against handouts, but I do think we need to open more doors for the poor.

[Lethalfind]

One way to help the poor is to encourage them go to school by paying for it...I think the money that is shelled out for criminals to educate themselves while in jail should be given to the poor. I think once you have been incarcerated, you should no longer be eligble for that kind of assistance. If criminals have family that will pay the customary fee, then of course, give them education while in prison, but they don't deserve a handout while so many poor people out there who have brains, who could be educated and be contributing members of society go without.

[hugo]

Uh, Social Security tax cap, for example? Reagonomics? The obvious fact that you can't exactly walk into a McDonald's homeless, looking dirty as hell, and ask for a job? I didn't say that it's impossible for poor people to become rich; just that the system is being shaped in such a way as to care primarily for those who are already rich and to concentrate power further. I agree with less laws in general, with the caveat that there should be greater opportunities for the poor to get jobs. Hell, just programs to help homeless people get a job at a fast food restaurant since most employers would reject them on paper. I'm against handouts, but I do think we need to open more doors for the poor.

 

Yep, like them homeless people be looking to work. They are lazy. That is why they are homeless. Next time you see a guy holding a "I'll work for food sgn" ask him if he would like to mow your yard for $20.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

You can't seriously be arguing that there's no possible way to end up homeless unless you're lazy and that all homeless people could easily get jobs if they tried. I mean, are you really trying to push such a broad generalization as the sole cause of homelessness or poverty?

[Lethalfind]

You can't seriously be arguing that there's no possible way to end up homeless unless you're lazy and that all homeless people could easily get jobs if they tried. I mean, are you really trying to push such a broad generalization as the sole cause of homelessness or poverty?

 

Thats Hugo for you...he really is saying that...

[hugo]

How do you end up homeless? how do you end up where no friend or relative will take you in? I suggest all the friends of the homeless invite one to live with them. They will quickly figure out why.

 

Let me repeat... Next time you see a guy holding a "I'll work for food sgn" ask him if he would like to mow your yard for $20.

 

Amazing how illegal immigrants have no problem finding work. The homeless problem would be cured tomorrow if all the people who claim to support them would let one move in with them.

[hugo]

http://static.flickr.com/112/317120291_2349bdd276_o.jpg

 

Smart people don't give a damn.

[RoyalOrleans]

How do you end up homeless? how do you end up where no friend or relative will take you in? I suggest all the friends of the homeless invite one to live with them. They will quickly figure out why.

 

Let me repeat... Next time you see a guy holding a "I'll work for food sgn" ask him if he would like to mow your yard for $20.

 

Amazing how illegal immigrants have no problem finding work. The homeless problem would be cured tomorrow if all the people who claim to support them would let one move in with them.

 

Yeah! Get a job, sparkling wiggles.

 

The only problem I have with giving a homeless piece of shit a twenty spot to cut my grass is, I'd like it done right the first time. I'll spend the twenty spot on a twelve pack and a cannister of gas and go to mowing my lawn.

[Phantom]

Few people realize Jesus was a fanatic when it came to the song YMCA.

 

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[Anna Perenna]

How do you end up homeless? how do you end up where no friend or relative will take you in?.

 

Is this homeless bashing an offshoot of your anti-socialism schtick, or are you for real?

 

Just in case:

 

People end up homeless in the USA because your welfare system sucks. You are the richest country on the planet and while your government can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on frivolous stealth weaponry, for some reason they can't spare the same amount for decent shelters or assistance programs.

 

The top 5 causes of homelessness are poverty, loss of job and/or alcohol/drug problems, lack of affordable housing, family problems, and mental illness. [http://www.nationalhomeless.org]

 

Perhaps you need to write to the government and ask them to improve the state of your country instead of expecting so much from people who are unable to help themselves.

 

Also, I can't remember where or when I read about this, but apparently a fair amount of homeless men are homeless because their will is gone, and their will is gone due to a broken heart. They are just utterly bereft, in every way. This kind of broken person isn't going to be able to lift themselves out of a stupor of misery just because a hard hearted man like yourself thinks that they should.

 

Also, how do you feel about women and children who are living in cars or shelters with their families? Are they lazy? Or do they just have no chance of getting out of their situation without the occurrence of a beneficiary miracle?

 

If you were an employer and a ragged looking rather smelly woman came in looking for a job - would you give her one? And if, on her application, she filled out "Datsun 180 on the corner of Macquarie street" in the address section, would you say "hell yeah, she seems like she'd be a great asset to the company!" ...?

 

I don't think so.

 

Basically, homeless people are stuck and until they can get access to quality public resources, how can you expect them to improve their lot?

 

And since you are big on quoting notables, here is a very good quote that I suggest you learn:

 

Don't look down on anyone unless you are helping them up.

[Phantom]

Like every group, the homeless population consists of a broad spectrum of people.

 

Some, as you said, Anna, are completely broken. Their will and mind is gone. A couple of years ago, I gave $5 to a vagrant at a gas station. He did not say, "thank you" or offer any sort of response. You can tell he was no longer "there." That is the type of homeless person my heart goes out to.

 

Then there are those who don't want the responsibility of keeping a job, maintaining a house, paying bills, etc. They would rather live on the edge of society, by their own admission. Travel, be free of any ties. Life on the road. I do not give such people my sympathy because they neither need nor want it. They choose that lifestyle.

 

As for the homeless mother and child. That is heartbreaking. However, that lifestyle is not wholly necessary. There are so many social programs in this country that it confuses me as to how it happens. There is welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, halfway houses, job programs, etc. Even shelters can offer you a temporary address so you don't have to be the "grungy person who walks into an office inquiring about job openings and offer a Datsun as your address."

 

And I am not being heartless. Some truly need help (like the man at the gas station), some choose the carefree lifestyle, and some are there by other circumstances. However, the help IS out there. You just have to want it.

[hugo]

If you were an employer and a ragged looking rather smelly woman came in looking for a job - would you give her one? And if, on her application, she filled out "Datsun 180 on the corner of Macquarie street" in the address section, would you say "hell yeah, she seems like she'd be a great asset to the company!" ...?

 

How do illegal aliens find work? You also ignore friends, family and private charity. My wife and son would probably be homeless were it not for me. If I was so hard hearted there would be two more homeless people. I am truly a saint.

 

Let us speak of the most humane philosophy, in the long run, social darwinism. Survival of the fittest ain't always pretty, but in the long run it benefits society by ridding us of the insane, the slothful and the irresponsible. Every American has an opportunity for 12 years of free education, every American has the power to decide what level of drug use they should engage in. No American should be forced to pay for the housing of some dopehead, no American should be forced to pay to house some nutcase who won't take his medication. Nor should that nutcase be forced to be medicated. Individual liberty, what a concept. Individual responsibility, what a concept. If you want to help the homeless...do it. Don't force me to pay to help stinkin' bums.

 

Some info on social darwinism

 

The "Fittest" and the "Unfit"

 

Herbert Spencer based his concept of social evolution, popularly known as "Social Darwinism," on individual competition. Spencer believed that competition was "the law of life" and resulted in the "survival of the fittest."

 

"Society advances," Spencer wrote, "where its fittest members are allowed to assert their fitness with the least hindrance." He went on to argue that the unfit should "not be prevented from dying out."

 

According to Spencer, the population of unfit people would slowly decline. They would eventually become extinct because of their failure to compete. The government, in his view, should not take any actions to prevent this from happening, since this would go against the evolution of civilization.

 

Spencer believed his own England and other advanced nations were naturally evolving into peaceful "industrial" societies. To help this evolutionary process, he argued that government should get out of the way of the fittest individuals. They should have the freedom to do whatever they pleased in competing with others as long as they did not infringe on the equal rights of other competitors.

 

Spencer criticized the English Parliament for "over-legislation." He defined this as passing laws that helped the workers, the poor, and the weak. In his opinion, such laws needlessly delayed the extinction of the unfit.

 

Spencer's View of Government

 

Herbert Spencer believed that the government should have only two purposes. One was to defend the nation against foreign invasion. The other was to protect citizens and their property from criminals. Any other government action was "over-legislation."

 

Spencer opposed government aid to the poor. He said that it encouraged laziness and vice. He objected to a public school system since it forced taxpayers to pay for the education of other people's children. He opposed laws regulating housing, sanitation, and health conditions because they interfered with the rights of property owners.

 

Spencer said that diseases "are among the penalties Nature has attached to ignorance and imbecility, and should not, therefore, be tampered with." He even faulted private organizations like the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children because they encouraged legislation.

 

In the economic arena, Spencer advocated a laissez-faire system that tolerated no government regulation of private enterprise. He considered most taxation as confiscation of wealth and undermining the natural evolution of society.

 

Spencer assumed that business competition would prevent monopolies and would flourish without tariffs or other government restrictions on free trade. He also condemned wars and colonialism, even British imperialism. This was ironic, because many of his ideas were used to justify colonialism. But colonialism created vast government bureaucracies. Spencer favored as little government as possible.

 

Spencer argued against legislation that regulated working conditions, maximum hours, and minimum wages. He said that they interfered with the property rights of employers. He believed labor unions took away the freedom of individual workers to negotiate with employers.

 

Thus, Spencer thought government should be little more than a referee in the highly competitive "survival of the fittest." Spencer's theory of social evolution, called Social Darwinism by others, helped provided intellectual support for laissez-faire capitalism in America.

 

Herbert Spencer, a truly great man.

[hugo]

I will never forget the day I was at a Dollar Store when an ill smelling nutcase walked in and proceeded to purchase a butcher knife for $3.99. He then said to the wall "I should have thanked that young gal with the big boobs for the five bucks. Now I can go have some fun."

 

The wall then replied, "Get away from me, Stinky."