Dead Jesus

[hugo]

and that just makes what the church did in the name of Christ go away right?

 

since people that are not of the faith did bad things we can ignore what untold horrors religion set upon this world?

 

Just need to put things in perspective. The Protestant Reformation is what set the stage for the human liberties that the western world enjoys today. Atheist Russia and China led to mass murder, mass famines and massive abuse of human liberty. The fucking atheists today are about 90% for stealing the money I work for and redistributing it however they see fit.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

Just need to put things in perspective. The Protestant Reformation is what set the stage for the human liberties that the western world enjoys today.

 

 

Actually, I'd go back and argue that the secular humanism of the Renaissance is what started the ball rolling. Of course the formation of the US did play a big part. But I'd also mention that the western world has an EXTREMELY detailed history of exactly what you mention in regards to Russia and China. It's been a lot better in modern times, but not without its share of oppression, although the majority of that's been done in foreign lands.

 

 

Atheist Russia and China led to mass murder, mass famines and massive abuse of human liberty.

 

 

Indeed, although that's really nothing compared to the long history of people being oppressed by theocracies. But yes, a state can be very oppressive regardless of its stance on religion.

 

 

The fucking atheists today are about 90% for stealing the money I work for and redistributing it however they see fit.

 

 

Actually, most of the greed in government today is from people who at least profess faith, though much of that is likely for political reasoning. The way I see it, issues of "faith" such as abortion, gay rights, and evolution vs. intelligent design keep the attention off of corporate greed and other issues of greater importance.

[hugo]

Let me explain something ,folks, greed, properly channeled, has done much more for humanity than charity ever did. A corporation's job is to increase shareholder wealth. A government's proper job is to protect lives, liberty and property. Our government today steals the property of some and redistributes it to others. It is the socialists that have destroyed individual liberty in the USA, just as they did in the old USSR.

 

It ain't no coincidence that most atheists are fuckin' socialists.

 

From wikipedia:

 

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones", from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and most of Oregon and Washington, except for those in internment camps.[4] In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion, removal, and detention, arguing that it is permissible to curtail the civil rights of a racial group when there is a "pressing public necessity."[5]

 

Enron, greedy corporation, how many deaths are they reponsible for? Mao and Stalin, greedy government officials...same question.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

Let me explain something ,folks, greed, properly channeled, has done much more for humanity than charity ever did.

 

 

That depends on your priorities. Greed has helped perpetuate industrialization, just at the cost of a lower standard of living and a whole lot of murders. Basically, greed is good so long as you're born into privelege and don't care much about other people.

 

 

Joseph Stalin is probably the premiere example of both the advantages and drawbacks of greed. The Native Americans are the best example I can think of for the opposite.

 

 

 

 

 

A corporation's job is to increase shareholder wealth. A government's proper job is to protect lives, liberty and property. Our government today steals the property of some and redistributes it to others.

 

 

The government does have some annoying social programs at times, for instance affirmative action. But it's not even debatable that the government's policies are aimed more toward the benefit of corporations than the homeless guy on the streets. That is why wealth is becoming more and more concentrated rather than more spread out.

 

 

Curiously, what are you talking about in regards to stealing property? I'm aware of programs for immigrants to be given handouts, often starting up convenient stores for instance. I find that fairly ridiculous given the lack of priority given to others in need, but I imagine that's not what you're referring to.

 

 

It is the socialists that have destroyed individual liberty in the USA, just as they did in the old USSR.

 

 

Er, we have more individual liberty in the US right now than ever before. The sheer amount of arbitrary laws 50 years ago compared to now is incredible. As for the Soviet Union, the largest lack of civil rights came from a single greedy man taking advantage of a nation. It had nothing to do with any genuine attempts at socialism.

 

 

 

It ain't no coincidence that most atheists are fuckin' socialists.

 

From wikipedia:

 

 

 

 

Why are you including this quote? Are you arguing that FDR was a socialist?

 

 

Enron, greedy corporation, how many deaths are they reponsible for? Mao and Stalin, greedy government officials...same question.

 

 

Getting to your true point, corporate interests are responsible for millions of deaths. The main purpose of expanding power, gaining control of overseas resources, gaining international "veto power," etc. is to place your domestic companies and thus your economy above the rest of the world's. Politicians who make power-grabbing decisions are motivated by the prosperity of their companies compared to foreign competitors. Furthering the economy is history's number one factor when it comes to deciding who lives and who dies, and in modern times the economy is essentially the sum of a country's various companies.

[hugo]

It comes down to this , folks. Capitalism is what exists naturally when individuals are granted liberty. Socialism requires coercion.

[hugo]

FDR was a devotee to Keynesian economics, an offshoot of Fabian socialism.

[Jhony5]

Do you two have to turn every fucking thread into a discussion about socialism? What the fuck does all this have to do with a dead Jesus?

[Msixty]

What the fuck does all this have to do with a dead Jesus?

 

Jesus was a socialist?

[Jhony5]

Jesus was a socialist?

 

Ask Hugo, he's the expert on socialism.

[Phantom]

aaaand there is no such thing as grave robbers? he had a following, ever think they did him one final honor? maybe the 'resurrection' of Jesus was just the story of his remains being rescued and re-buried.

 

Uh... this did happen. Most crucifixion victims were left to rot on the cross or have their corpses fed to the Roman soldier's dogs. Joseph of Arimithea asked Pilate if he could entomb Jesus and spare Him the shame.

 

I'm from Oregon, i live in Alaska, I might die on another Continent. his dad never went to Jerusalem, they point out that he was not in the tomb in the documentary, they said that that lends more credibility to the theory, also, they have some evidence that his family (mainly his mother) was in and may have dies in Jerusalem.

 

Who says Joseph never traveled to Jerusalem? It was a mecca for Jews during the holy seasons. He very possibly could have visited.

 

Actually, that was pointed out in the show, BUT they also pointed out that the spelling of the names is what made them unique, the brother had a VERY rare nickname, and his mothers name was spelled a bit off from the usual method, and the vast majority of people were too poor, BUT JESUS HAD A FOLLOWING! if they would die for him, you can damn well bet they'd dig a cave for him.

 

As stated above, they DID give him a tomb burial. It's a pretty big part of the resurrection story.

 

yes, it is, but for some reason people of faith don't think so, in fact, they have cut, slashed, burned alive, buried, tortured, and generally mass murdered people for offering the 'counter-version'

 

Wars have been fought over religion but not near as much as power, territory, and resources.

[hugo]

Jesus told the rich guy to give up all his possessions. Sounds like a socialist to me.

[Jhony5]

As stated above, they DID give him a tomb burial. It's a pretty big part of the resurrection story.

So where is it?

[Phantom]

So where is it?

 

I can't remember where the Bible says it is other than the countryside. I will have to look it up.

 

A Bible question I can't remember the answer to. I have shamed my family, my faith, and my name.

 

There are two traditionally held beliefs where the tomb may be that have been turned into tourist attractions but honestly, I don't know.

[eddo]

Scholar: 'Jesus Tomb' makers mistaken

[Jhony5]

Scholar: 'Jesus Tomb' makers mistaken

 

Well that lacked the punch I thought it would have. One guys opinion that didn't even sound all that solid. I would need to see more conformation that they mistranslated the text, from other sources, before I see this as correct. This is one of those issues that I don't see either side ever having "proof" of anything solid.

[Lethalfind]

I don't care either way, whether they found him or not...I am just enjoying seeing all the christians/bible beaters wiggin out about it...Warms my heart and gives me a chuckle, what else can you ask from the news when so much of it is SO dreary and depressing.

 

I personally like it best when the bible thumpers get so upset that they are spitting while they are talking...

[hugo]

Jesus was a socialist.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

It comes down to this , folks. Capitalism is what exists naturally when individuals are granted liberty. Socialism requires coercion.

 

 

This is true up until the point where the people who got ahead in a strictly capitalist society decide to impose laws aimed at preventing others from getting ahead and closing the wealth gap. At that point, which virtually every supposed "capitalist" society has reached, there is coercion. And a more damaging kind of coercion at that. What is your obsession with socialism/capitalism, BTW? Are you rich? Did your parents idolize McCarthy? It's like every time I see you post, it comes down to complaining about socialists and atheists.

 

 

In any event, just because someone is not a devoted Social Darwinist with a degree in Reaganomics does not make that person a Socialist. There's plenty of middle ground.

[hugo]

I don't see any laws that prevented Bill Gates or Sam Walton from getting ahead. In the ruthless capitalist society you speak of there would be no progressive taxation. Politicians will cater to the powerful. Bureaucracies, such as the FDA and DOT, do impose barriers to competition thus protecting existing drug companies at the expense of smaller, or prospective, ones. The answer is smaller government. The government that governs best governs least.

[builder]

I don't see any laws that prevented Bill Gates or Sam Walton from getting ahead. In the ruthless capitalist society you speak of there would be no progressive taxation. Politicians will cater to the powerful. Bureaucracies, such as the FDA and DOT, do impose barriers to competition thus protecting existing drug companies at the expense of smaller, or prospective, ones. The answer is smaller government. The government that governs best governs least.

 

On the drug issue. They are little companies that have nothing to do with company director GWH Bush and co. He's like the cabin boy, or something.

 

When the cry goes up that it's George's bum in the barrel for the night, he no complain.

[hugo]

On the drug issue. They are little companies that have nothing to do with company director GWH Bush and co. He's like the cabin boy, or something.

 

When the cry goes up that it's George's bum in the barrel for the night, he no complain.

 

The Kefauver Amendment was originally passed in 1962. GW was in high school. That is the amendment that led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans from the delay of heart thinning medications alone. The Kefauver Amendmet is what keeps helpful drugs off the market and increases drug company profits. Of course, it was passed, after the thalimide scare, to protect the little guy.

[hugo]

You have been Idiot Boxed for the following reason:

Socialism is a GOOD thing.

 

Wrong, socialism has killed tens of millions in the last century.

[hugo]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^Correction...thalidomide scare.

[Anna Perenna]

As soon as I saw that James Cameron produced it, I was immediately cynical.

 

I haven't seen the film and I'm not sure of its authenticity, but the one thing I do know about this topic is that JC is going to make a lot of money out of this.

[RoyalOrleans]

A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.

 

The one is the common right of humanity, and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, 'You toil and work and earn bread, and I'll eat it.'

 

Instead of the function of governing, for which it is radically unfit, the proper office of a representative assembly is to watch and control the government.

 

Some words to live by.