tizz Posted July 12, 2005 Author Posted July 12, 2005 OK crispytouching post but I was not talking about Quwait or iraq or saddam here. I was talking about terrorism. It has not nationality, it has no religion. It exists world wide and has for members people of every religion and race. Terror is not exclusive to islamic extremists. It is a plague of hate that is taking over the world like a giant swarm of locusts. It is not new it has just gotten bigger and badder (probably do to technology and teh ease of comunication and teh availability of better weapons). It is not a problem exclusive to western industrialized nations nor is it confined to the middle east. (HELLO PEOPLE HAVE YOU NOT HEARD OF NORTHERN IRELAND?) It acts to breed fear and hate and even greater and broader acts of terrorism. Retaliation haas done nothing but fan the flames. Giving in is out of the question. You could Nuke em if you could find em or if it was confined to one place but in order to destroy all terrorism you wwould pretty much have to nuke every nation on earth. Right now we are fighting fire with fire and in all the wrong places and so far it has just led to bigger badder attacks. So what next? Would it not be logical to look at teh source of the hate and work from there? Is it possible that if you work to diminish teh hate you can diminish the terror? Sure you could say no, but has anyone ever tried it? Have you got a better idea? Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 how can we fight the hate that is instilled in them from childhood? all talking would accomplish its letting them find a new thing to hate us for, i would love for this to end right now, and let everyone go back to a peaceful life, but its not going to happen, so pray for peace and prepare for war, its life, learn how it works Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
Jhony5 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Say what?what the fuck are you on about? How the hell can you say that they all hate you!have you met every one of them? And what the hell do you know of my religion? Find a verse in the Qu'ran that says''hate them''? You piss me off? You've shown your true fuckin' colours. Islam does not teach us to hate anyone. You are just like these terrorists,who have invented new lies and try to blend them into Islam. You will never know Islam,coz you don't bother learning anything about it. You are so stuck and full of yourselves. I don't hate people coz of their religion but I hate someone according to their charactor!And I hate people who invent lies so as to generate hate against a specific group of people.You're one of them on this site! When you say ''THEY'',this automatically means you are bunching everyone together. You know damn well what I mean by they! They, the millions of people who share the same religion as you. They, the millions of people who wan to kill me because I live in the states. Find a verse in the Qu'ran that says "hate them". Fuck the Qu'ran. Don't put that shit on my plate. Its nothing but a damn book that you keep beside your bed. It does nothing to explain the way Islam is growing in the direction of hate. Stop asking myself and others to find 'where in the Qu'ran does it say that'. It no longer matters what the Qu'ran says. I care not about written words. I care about the actions of Islam. You can't even so much as admit that Islam has a serious problem. Why not. It does not mean that you denounce Islam, it just means that your being realistic. Islam does have problems, right? You are aware of this, aren't you? Go ahead, say no, say that Islam doesn't have problems because terrorist are not part of Islam. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
tizz Posted July 12, 2005 Author Posted July 12, 2005 how can we fight the hate that is instilled in them from childhood? all talking would accomplish its letting them find a new thing to hate us for, i would love for this to end right now, and let everyone go back to a peaceful life, but its not going to happen, so pray for peace and prepare for war, its life, learn how it works And war will lead to what? More terrorism and more war. It is an endless and viscious cycle that is repeated throughout history. So much for lest we forget bullshit eh? And second, we can't fight the hate until we seek to understand and know what it is and what it stems from. When you have a problem you have to get to the root of it in order to fix it, or else it will simply keep coming back. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
tizz Posted July 12, 2005 Author Posted July 12, 2005 Looks like this thread is destined to become a religious pissing match anyway. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 And war will lead to what? More terrorism and more war. It is an endless and viscious cycle that is repeated throughout history. So much for lest we forget bullshit eh? And second, we can't fight the hate until we seek to understand and know what it is and what it stems from. When you have a problem you have to get to the root of it in order to fix it, or else it will simply keep coming back. do you not see the problem? you want to stop HATE and that is impossible, there will always be hate to us, why? because you can't make the whole world happy, and the only thing you can do is kill them before they kill you, yes its barbaric, but were animals, and you don't seem to understand that Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
Jhony5 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 And war will lead to what? More terrorism and more war. It is an endless and viscious cycle that is repeated throughout history. So much for lest we forget bullshit eh? And second, we can't fight the hate until we seek to understand and know what it is and what it stems from. When you have a problem you have to get to the root of it in order to fix it, or else it will simply keep coming back. When you have a problem like this, you get to the root, and pull that motherfucker out. Playing these little political peace games is exactly what radical Islam wants. I don't think we should resort to genocidal acts. Killing inocent women and children is not the answer. From a certain point of view it is a good thing that Islam has attacked London. What they need to do is fuck up and keep attacking our allies so we can build a stronger world wide allegence against terror. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 What they need to do is fuck up and keep attacking our allies so we can build a stronger world wide allegence against terror. i agree, but don't say that too loud, AIG and wombat might hear it and go running to tell there master OBL Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
Jhony5 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Heres my biggest issue with Islam today. In the early '90s America pushed Sadaam and his army out of Kuwait. A peaceful and small country that was essentialy helpless. They would most definately been subject to the same kind of brutal rule that Sadaam hands down. America steped in at pushed them right back. Now, this is what is important to remember, These actions by America alone are what started the modern age jihad against America. Islam saw this as an invasion of Islam despite the good deed done. Bin Laden was one of many Islamic leaders who took offence to Americas presence in the mid-east. Nevermind why we were there, we were not supposed to be there. This act of kindness is what sparked the modern jihad against us. If America just sits back and allows the middle-east to run wild, then the future consequences would be terrible. Before we know it a handful of these radical countries would be sporting nukes, and then its to late. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 so what do you suggest we do? Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
Jhony5 Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Mayby it's because your fucked up government attacks any country that rises on it's feet again. You can't deny that america has caused this world so much pain and the poverty you see in most countries,is because you tried to take over the whole world(colonialism) and are still trying.America's thirst for world domination can never be quenched. Look at all your flaws before pointing your fingers. The bible fuckin' condones slavery.Isn't this evil? Your fucking losing it girl. America is not attempting to 'take over the world'. If that was our aim then we would likely have accomplished this long ago. We are just sick of the inferior muslim nations posing such a severe threat to our well being. Enough is enough already. We took Iraq over once, to prevent untld atrocities in Kuwait. We left in a timely fashion as a token of good faith. That wasn't enough for the muslim world was it. We were already guilty in their eyes of violating Islam just by our presence. I am puzzled at how you keep putting America and the bible in harmony. This is the biggest issue with Islam. Everything is based on religion. It runs your lives. I don't see how you have time to eat and sleep with all the senseless praying ya'll do. When America freed Kuwait, a muslim country, Islam slammed our presence in the middle-east and equated it to a 'religious war'. All you fucking morons need to get your head out of the clouds before you kill us all. That goes for all religions. Fighting over shit that doesn't even exist in the first place. Its madness. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Fighting over shit that doesn't even exist in the first place. Its madness. did you not hear, religion invented war Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
fullauto Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 Fist off... Jihad was declare back in the late 40's when the UN took Palestinian land and gave it to thier arch enemies, the jews... Second of all... Tizz... I, and the rest of the reality based world understand and appreciate your zeal for peace and harmony, and coombya and all that shit, but at some point you have got to realize that you cannot reason with the unreasonable! And once you get over the shock of dealing with maniacle people who want nothing more than to convert you or kill you and who will STOP AT NOTHING to do so, you have to come to terms with the fact that you may have to get your precious, manecured hands dirty and fight for yourself! Now the question you have posed many times is, 'How do you know who to fight?' It's easy... Take off the goggles that MSNBC and CNN have installed on you and take a look around... Allow your instincts to tell you who the threat is... We are animals, and as animals we have wonderful instincts to guide us from danger and to point it out when we encounter it... Only problem is, These instincts have been suppressed in 90% of our society by people who believe that 'violence has never solved anything'... Guess what! That's BS... Violence has solved every major world problem since the dawn of violence itself! It will always be that way, and anyone who thinks that will change anytime soon is delusional! So once you have established that there is a threat, you look at who the thret is... If you come to any other conclusion than Islam is the threat, you have been immersed to far into the brainwashing process and there is little hope for you... Let the ones who can see pilot the ship! I will admit that not all Muslims are terrorists, But they are all suspect untill it is proven differently... like this... All dogs have two eyes, but not everything with two eyes is a dog! I am AMAZED at how brainwashed some people are... They are so brainwashed that they actually think that this problem will be solved diplomatically! It won't happen... How do you negotiate with a person willing to blow himself up just for the honor of killing innocent people? The strong will always rise to the top... that might explain why most of the people not willing to fight exist at the bottom... Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
Msixty Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 shit, well said, i think that covers everything we have all been trying to say Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted July 12, 2005 Posted July 12, 2005 'I am puzzled at how you keep putting America and the bible in harmony.' Aren't you doing the same thing when you bunch all muslims and terrorists in harmony? Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
tizz Posted July 12, 2005 Author Posted July 12, 2005 It is not that I don't understand that certain interpretations of Islam teaching are what lead to all of this but to create mass fear and hate of all muslims is not goingto do any good. Neither is invading entire countries or destroying every muslim. All that will do is create more hate from other groups that feel what we are doing is wrong. If more civilians are killed them more are gonna get pissed at our big stick diplomacy and the US is going to end up spending the rest of it's days as a world power at war. It is simple logic. Pretty soon teh IRA is going to make a connection to what teh islamic radicals are pissed at and though they may not join them they will end up launching their own crap. Our cultural arrogance and insistance on bringing the entire world into our own economy and plopping our gas guzzlers and biggie size it fast food death traps into every country around the earth is not helping. Neither is being dependant on so many other nations for natural resources or supporting assholes like Sharon in israel. The US has this awful habit as well of cr4eating it's own enemies by recruting some nasty fuckers to fight our battles simply because they are fighting our enemies. There is a LOT that can can as we fight this war on terroror, that will at least help the world see us in a new light. If we don't change things then we are going to be searching our new terrorist everyday and each group is going to learn from that last ones mistakes and they will just get stronger and better and end up kicking our asses!!!! Aside from that, we are fighting a war where we can't tell the difference between our enemy and our ally. How can our troups tel which person in the middle east is a terrorist and which is not? Same problem as vietnam. We are very likely not going to win a war with terrorist. Simply because we will never find them all. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Jhony5 Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Our cultural arrogance and insistance into bringing the entire world into our own economy and plopping our gas guzzlers and biggie size it fast food death traps into every country around the earth is not helping. You keep making statements like this and I find it amusing. America does not force our free enterprize system on anyone. Different cultures around the world have long pursued our free rolling consumer driven way of life. Your villanizing America for its success. How can our troops tell which person in the middle east is a terrorist and which is not? Bingo! This is where the burdon is shifting towards Islam to pro-actively remove terrorism from there countries. If they can not do this then the US will be forced subject their countries to the same unfortunate circumstances as Iraq. Islams inability to take action and seperate themselves from 'radicals' is squarely on them. Remember, we are at war with radical Islam. They declared it. We are just following suite. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Crazywumbat Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Bingo! This is where the burdon is shifting towards Islam to pro-actively remove terrorism from there countries. If they can not do this then the US will be forced subject their countries to the same unfortunate circumstances as Iraq. Islams inability to take action and seperate themselves from 'radicals' is squarely on them. Remember, we are at war with radical Islam. They declared it. We are just following suite. I already said this, but Fullauto was the only person who responded to it. Since you obviously don't have much sympathy for the innocents who get in the way because they haven't seperated themselves enough from the "enemy", what about the poor fucking soldier who finds out the person he just shot in the head wasn't a terrorist, but a 15 year old girl who happened to be in the wrong place at an extremely unfortunate time? War effects the mind of the soldiers just as much as the people who are killed, most of the members on this board look at war in an extremely uninformed way, not thinking at all what consequences it might have, especially for the side they are rooting for. Errmm don't think this is directed specifically towards you Jhony, just that last post of yours prompted me to post it. Quote I promise to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. That I will never just accept what I am told. That I will never fall in love with safety and forget liberty. I promise that I will look for the lie in every pretty story and the bribe in every convenience.
Msixty Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 How can our troops tell which person in the middle east is a terrorist and which is not? you want to see how the troops have it? set up a 'kill house' and for the targets, get all matching identical 'civilian' cardboard pop ups, then, put a toy gun BEHIND some 'civilian' cutouts where you can't see it, now have a friend set them up randomly, running through this 'kill house' will give you the idea of what the troops do every day, lets see how many you can get right. happy hunting Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
tizz Posted July 13, 2005 Author Posted July 13, 2005 you want to see how the troops have it? set up a 'kill house' and for the targets, get all matching identical 'civilian' cardboard pop ups, then, put a toy gun BEHIND some 'civilian' cutouts where you can't see it, now have a friend set them up randomly, running through this 'kill house' will give you the idea of what the troops do every day, lets see how many you can get right. happy hunting DUH!! That is what I was saying. We cannot fight terrorist in a any conventional way nor can we fight insurgents in any conventional way. Vietnam proved that. When you can't tell your friend from foe you need to get creative, not just more agressive. Bigger bombs won't help. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Jhony5 Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 I already said this, but Fullauto was the only person who responded to it. Since you obviously don't have much sympathy for the innocents who get in the way because they haven't seperated themselves enough from the "enemy", what about the poor fucking soldier who finds out the person he just shot in the head wasn't a terrorist, but a 15 year old girl who happened to be in the wrong place at an extremely unfortunate time? War effects the mind of the soldiers just as much as the people who are killed, most of the members on this board look at war in an extremely uninformed way, not thinking at all what consequences it might have, especially for the side they are rooting for. Your right, it does plague the mind when a soldier 'accidentaly' kills a non-combatent. My dad was a medic in the green berets in Vietnam. He has told me stories of these occurances. This is why the soldiers in nam would be very aggresive when entering a village. They didn't even want the children to get close from fear of them lobbing a grenade at them. For a soldier in Iraq to put to much consideration towards not harming innocents, would put his own life in jeopardy. The numbers however show that Iraqi insurgency has claimed way more civilian life then the American military. They are doing it alomost every single day. Setting off road side bombs in the off chance that it will kill Iraqi police or American/Iraqi soldiers. Usually the dead are primarily civilians. Quote i am sofa king we todd did.
Msixty Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Vietnam proved that.. and lets hope to god we don't add to it by spitting on the troops for shooting a civilian on accident, Vietnam also proved what that can do Bigger bombs won't help. but strategically placed small units in the city will, well, that and painting the caves with napalm. Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
tizz Posted July 13, 2005 Author Posted July 13, 2005 Ya unless your intel was wrong and that small bomb in a city blows teh crap out of an inocent family. Lets get creative here folks. And yes, unfortunately small minds are unwilling to explore the possiblity that troops do thing uder orders, under stress and as a means of getting home in one piece not to mention outr of fear and having no clue who might try to blow your face off. A soldier has to do what he has to do and it should be the ressponsibility of of the CO to keep an eye out for someone who may be going over the edge who MIGHT just do the unthinkable. I have met quite a few vets who can never quite make it back to this world because of what they experienced and did during war. I cannot even imagine and tend to get sick when I try. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Msixty Posted July 13, 2005 Posted July 13, 2005 Ya unless your intel was wrong and that small bomb in a city blows teh crap out of an inocent family. i said small units dip shit units, as in soldiers Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
tizz Posted July 13, 2005 Author Posted July 13, 2005 Sorry I thought you meant bombs, i was in another forum and someone was using "unit" for bomb and it stuck in my head. My bad Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
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