Tossing Blame

[Msixty]

Sorry I thought you meant bombs, i was in another forum and someone was using "unit" for bomb and it stuck in my head. My bad

 

oh, ok, i get it, anyway, i do agree with you though, bombs are way too messy to be using in a highly populated environment at this point

[Crazywumbat]

If used in the right way, simple politics could be far more devastating to these terrorists than any weapon we could fathom using. And with almost no casualties.

[tizz]

More like simple economics

[Msixty]

If used in the right way, simple politics could be far more devastating to these terrorists than any weapon we could fathom using. And with almost no casualties.

 

the problem with that is, politics is harder to control than a bomb, and politicians are easily given 'bought opinions' and that can result in unimaginable body counts on each side

[Jhony5]

oh, ok, i get it, anyway, i do agree with you though, bombs are way too messy to be using in a highly populated environment at this point

 

 

Carpet bombing muslim populations is not the answer. Getting Isreal out of Palastinian territory would do alot towards building trust with the muslim world in general. The situation there serves as a microcosm of radical Islam vs. the west.

[Msixty]

Getting Isreal out of Palastinian territory would do alot towards building trust with the muslim world in general.

 

NO they will get worse, because they will see it as an intrusion, and we will have terrorists from Israel on our ass

[Jhony5]

NO they will get worse, because they will see it as an intrusion, and we will have terrorists from Israel on our ass

 

 

Jews are too worried about the cost of materials involved in bombing muslims. They prefere to fire cheap bullets blindly into crowds.

America has to make some concessions in this area. We can't just stand there with our big guns making demands without diplomacy. As was mentioned by fullauto, the situation in Palastine has long spurred jihad against the west because we, diplomaticly, seem to side with the jews. Destroy this perception and it will go a long way towards building trust with muslims. Remeber, Religion is primary in these cultures. Our actions, no matter what the means of conveyance, are always seen by muslims as religiously motivated.

[Msixty]

but then we piss off the Jews, and were back at square one

[Jhony5]

but then we piss off the Jews, and were back at square one

 

 

Your not following me here. The damn Jews are far apart from the palastinians. America is seen as a villian by much of the muslim world because we cater to the jews.

Here are the facts. Isreal treats the palastinians like garbage, killing them on a whim. America supports Isreal, big time. The US gives 13% of our entire foreign military aid to Isreal. To the tune of 3.7 billion dollars annualy. Again, this is the primary reason why we are at war with muslims, or should I say why the muslims are at war with us. The G8 has just approved $9 billion dollars to go to palastine. A good start, but we must do more than just cut a check. We must condemn Isreal for their actions, which has never been done before.

When has terrorisim been utilized by the jews? Your way off, buddy.

Terrorism has its roots in palastine, and in the 'root' lies the problem.

[Crispy Critter]

OK crispytouching post but I was not talking about Quwait or iraq or saddam here. I was talking about terrorism. It has not nationality, it has no religion. It exists world wide and has for members people of every religion and race. Terror is not exclusive to islamic extremists. It is a plague of hate that is taking over the world like a giant swarm of locusts. It is not new it has just gotten bigger and badder (probably do to technology and teh ease of comunication and teh availability of better weapons). It is not a problem exclusive to western industrialized nations nor is it confined to the middle east. (HELLO PEOPLE HAVE YOU NOT HEARD OF NORTHERN IRELAND?) It acts to breed fear and hate and even greater and broader acts of terrorism. Retaliation haas done nothing but fan the flames. Giving in is out of the question. You could Nuke em if you could find em or if it was confined to one place but in order to destroy all terrorism you wwould pretty much have to nuke every nation on earth. Right now we are fighting fire with fire and in all the wrong places and so far it has just led to bigger badder attacks. So what next? Would it not be logical to look at teh source of the hate and work from there? Is it possible that if you work to diminish teh hate you can diminish the terror? Sure you could say no, but has anyone ever tried it? Have you got a better idea?

So are we a christain nation with moral base or secular like the French. They adoped "the terror" to punish their own citizens. Break the glass in the chruch and kill the preists and go with people's rights but in this secular world of bombers (BBC) v. terrorrist GW Bush then the terror is within. So kill "the terror" all of those who don't agree...http://www.napoleonguide.com/revolt.htm The Terror was unleashed and on 21 September the Republic of France was announced.... Are we dealing with the terror from Islam?

[Msixty]

Your not following me here. The damn Jews are far apart from the palastinians. America is seen as a villian by much of the muslim world because we cater to the jews.

Here are the facts. Isreal treats the palastinians like garbage, killing them on a whim. America supports Isreal, big time. The US gives 13% of our entire foreign military aid to Isreal. To the tune of 3.7 billion dollars annualy. Again, this is the primary reason why we are at war with muslims, or should I say why the muslims are at war with us. The G8 has just approved $9 billion dollars to go to palastine. A good start, but we must do more than just cut a check. We must condemn Isreal for their actions, which has never been done before.

 

ok, so curb stomp the Jews and try to make the Muslims our friends so they will finally see a fucking reason to do something about the extremists piggybacking on there religion?

[tizz]

No but curbing and stomping the zionists might be fun!!! And productive as well

[Jhony5]

ok, so curb stomp the Jews and try to make the Muslims our friends so they will finally see a fucking reason to do something about the extremists piggybacking on there religion?

 

A little diplomacy goes a long way. America has long condemned Palastine for its use of terrorism, however, because of financial reasons terrorism was their only resort. Terror tatics were born from this need for improvised military capabilities. In short, terror was the only option for palastine. Now this 'poor mans military tatic' has become ever more sophisticated and given birth to these tatics being used against America, here within our borders.

So how do we condemn the PLO for their tatics when they have been given no choice. Their hands are tied. Rocks and improvised explosives are their only means of offence. If they had sophisticated military weaponry, i'm sure they'd use them.

[phreakwars]

I say put up a fucking great wall like china did.

 

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[Jhony5]

I say put up a fucking great wall like china did.

 

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Where would this 'wall' go, exactly?

[Msixty]

I say put up a fucking great wall like china did.

 

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lined with patriot launching stations, machine guns ,and a napalm mote

[Crispy Critter]

I really don't get it the Jews push for the liberals and vote strait democratic?

 

The democrats all blame them for all that is bad in the Mid East.

 

The UN is the agency that established the Jewish state and the UN should have been refree from day one in their Jewish Indian Reservation.

 

The Americans, thought Iraq and Jordan would kill them when they were proclaimed as a state and be done with the problem but the Jews kicked ass and cleaned the Iraqis and Jordon's clock. If the UN could send Turkey to help fight with the US in the Korean War who fought against us in WWII they should have had the clout to referee their indian reservation. America got busy with Korea and Russia got busy with the cold war and priorities were set aside. Fuck the Palestianians the Jews were there first! Then again if the UN said give back NYC to the Indians they were there first we would have a little problem with that?

[Jhony5]

Crispy:

 

Again, concessions must be made to resolve any matter.

Bringing up the American indians is an invalid refference, buried to far in the past.

What we see going on in the Isreal/palastine conflict will never be resolved until Isreal sets down and concedes several issues.

So what if they were there first? It wouldn't matter at all if religion was not involved in this issue. Because religious issues and territories are in question no concessions are followed through with.