One Person's Thoughts On Children

[Silver_dragon87]

 

Right on, Asmodai! My only problem with what seems to be 'our' arguement is that we expect quite a bit from humans, which is just stupid of us. Sure, we can say how parents SHOULD be, and how we would try to be as parents, but I have to admit that trying to tell parents to me open-minded and understanding and patient for the sake of their children is like telling a christian to take off their cross because it offends someone else. Why would they do something to inconvenience themself to make someone else more comfortable, or happier? They feel they have the right to do whatever they want with, and sometimes to, their children. After all, what's the number one parental arguement? Why? BECAUSE I'M THE PARENT. We dream of Utopia. -_-

 

 

Oh and I forgot one point in my post--colours. There no reason to paint a child's room pink. There are other, neutral colours such as green, yellow, or purple. Or your God forbid, BLUE in a girl's room. Pink is a sickening colour.

 

[tizz]

Parents do the best they can. There is no instruction manual, there are no "rules" as each kid is different. Parents make choices and descions entirely based on what they feel is going to end up being the best for the kid in the long and short of it. Hell my kid is four years old, and I keep myself up nights wondering if teh descisions I am making are the right ones. To think that a parent does this al out of some selfish impulse is just, well... adolescent. Get back to me when you have a kid and we will see if your perspective has changed a bit. This is not to say that there are a few parents out there that take it a bit far, but a I would say without doubt that most parents base their descions on what they think will be best in the long run.

[Silver_dragon87]

 

You certainly make a point, Tizz, but I still firmly believe that the reason that parents want their children to do well is because they want to feel successful. They want their children to do well because their children reflect upon THEM. If your child turned out to be a......garbage person, you wouldn't support them if it, for some reason, was what they wanted to do--you would be embarrassed when you told your friends or co-workers or other family members about it. And you would feel that you had failed because your child never 'made something of themself'--thereby fulfilling YOUR dreams.

 

 

[tizz]

I think parent are more worried about their kids not suceeding in what they want to do. If a kid wanted to be a garbage man and ending up doing it, liking it and working hard at it, most parents would be proud. We are worried about our children being unhappy, lost or going down a dangerous path. I will tell ya, I work for no money, I am a single mother and I live at home and my entire family is still proud of me because I stand by the choiced I made, I don't complain, I am happy and my daughter is happy loved and safe. I think you missinterpret what parents would NOT be proud of. It is not about the external crap but more about parents being worried that something will end badly and their children will not be happy. Sometimes a parent doesn't totally understand when or why their children are happy and that causes a lot of crap, but still a parent's intent is always to make sure that they are sending a well adjusted, well prepared, confident and happy child out into the world to become an adult. Hopefully we have cramed enough into you so that when you are responsible for making your own choices, you make good ones, not just for you but for those that are effected by those choices. It's all about love underneath, it just doesn't always come out like that.

[Asmodai]

I think parent are more worried about their kids not suceeding in what they want to do. If a kid wanted to be a garbage man and ending up doing it, liking it and working hard at it, most parents would be proud. We are worried about our children being unhappy, lost or going down a dangerous path. I will tell ya, I work for no money, I am a single mother and I live at home and my entire family is still proud of me because I stand by the choiced I made, I don't complain, I am happy and my daughter is happy loved and safe. I think you missinterpret what parents would NOT be proud of. It is not about the external crap but more about parents being worried that something will end badly and their children will not be happy. Sometimes a parent doesn't totally understand when or why their children are happy and that causes a lot of crap, but still a parent's intent is always to make sure that they are sending a well adjusted, well prepared, confident and happy child out into the world to become an adult. Hopefully we have cramed enough into you so that when you are responsible for making your own choices, you make good ones, not just for you but for those that are effected by those choices. It's all about love underneath, it just doesn't always come out like that.

 

 

If you parent how you talk, then your daughter's a pretty lucky girl. Wanting a child to make their own decicions and be happy is what parenting should be about. And being proud of them in whatever they chose/makes them happy. But I wouldn't say that's what most parents would want - and I've seen these. A dear friend of mine is now living with me because(among many, many other reasons) he dearly wants to go to college and his parents don't approve at all. Just one of the many parents I know that could care less about their kid's happiness, as long as they're doing what THEY approve of. (Mine not included, thankfully, though we have our problems.) But, Tizz, thanks for being... logical? decent? I can't think of the word, but thank you for being it.

[tizz]

Honestly, though I can think of a lot of parents whose actions are a bit misguided, I think I have yet to meet the parent who cares only about thier own appearence to the world. Whether parents of teh children in my care or friends or anything. I will admit that even my best friend lived at my house several times becasue of differences (she to this day) with her mom, neither of us could ever say her mother didn';t lover her and in her way try to create the best (even though we still call her satan) Even when parent doesn't get it, most times they at least THINK they are doing what is best for their children.

[Asmodai]

I guess that's true for most of them, but if as a parent and individual your perceptions of 'best' are really screwed up, it can't be good for the kid. Like trying to trap your children into creepy cult religious practices, etc.

 

Think of the average idiot you meet on the street who pisses you off. Do you think they really know what's right for a developing human being when they can't ever properly order a hamburger at Burger King? Good intentions or not, I just don't think the average human being has what it takes to raise a kid, some excepted.

[phreakwars]

As far as my parents go, I could give a damn what troubles they went through to have me. Not only because I'd give anything to undo it, but because it really isn't that hard to fuck. That's why we're all sitting here, isn't it? Anything after that is just an unhappy side effect. Besides, they didn't go through any hardships for me, they did it for themselves. If they had any common sense or thought for what would be best for their future child, they obviously never would have had me. What sane person would want a defenseless and innocent creature to go forth into this shithole? I was much happier as energy, I can tell you that for certain. But the point is that they went through all that because THEY wanted a child, because THEY had things they wanted to do with a child--the joys of parenting or whatever these lunatics are thinking when they decide to commit such a selfish act. Having a child is not something beautiful, ladies and gents, it should be a crime.

You are a selfish ungrateful little bitch, if you think your parents never went through any hardships for you, then you should spare them any more misery you think you have caused then because of your birth and life and just get the fuck out. I don't like to categorize teens too much, but I can guarantee when you are older, you will change your perspective.

And as for your attempt to include facts, I'll simply respond in kind [with another question.] Don't you know the suicide rate for teens in general? It has little to do with whether or not they are homosexual. Teens are unhappy, and yet everyone continues to believe that that says more about the teens than about the world.

Proven fact, teens kill themselves more often because of chemicals introduced into there bodies from puberty changes, some kids will get an imbalance in them that causes depression, so they kill themselves.

I can't exactly speak for gay people, but I figure that they 'mention' that they're gay because they're proud to have overcome the towering obstacle presenting by society and idiots such as yourself who try to stand in their way--with all their hateful, white, christian stupidity--and keep them from being themselves. They defied the powers that be and have freed themselves. It is the same way that I proudly 'mention' that I am an atheist--I feel sorry for people who have not discovered the same truths. It is a feeling of enlightenment, that's all. And by the way, you can't 'steer children away' from being homosexual. It's not something they choose. After all, why WOULD so many people choose to BE so hated and feared and rejected? They're only trying to be themselves. You can no more change a gay person than a male one. A guy can't be 'steered' into being a girl any more than you can change who someone is attracted to. You can't change chemicals, after all. It's all chemicals in the brain.

There you just re-enforced my previous statement, as for gays, the pressure of being gay just adds to this chemical imbalance in your teen years.

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[snafu]

I don't hate gays, so don't get me wrong. But whats the deal with gays always mentioning the fact that their gay? You don't hear me reminding everyone i'm hetero in every post. Seriously, get over your gayness. It must really trouble you since you keep mentioning it. What you need little girl is to get grudge fucked so hard you cough up your girlfriends pubic hair ball.

 

I agree with Jhony5 on this part.

If you look a Vortex's post he mentions he's gay and has fun with it but he goes on with his life and expresses other opinions without throwing the gay factor in everything.

That gives me respect for him regardless of his sexuality.

 

Back to the topic of the post.

We need to instill what values that we believe to be correct in our young. So when their young they need to listen. Period. If the parents want you to sleep in a pink room then that's what you get.

 

When it becomes my way or the highway it means that the kid is old enough or almost old enough to do what they want. They should then choose. If it

[tizz]

I guess that's true for most of them, but if as a parent and individual your perceptions of 'best' are really screwed up, it can't be good for the kid. Like trying to trap your children into creepy cult religious practices, etc.

 

Think of the average idiot you meet on the street who pisses you off. Do you think they really know what's right for a developing human being when they can't ever properly order a hamburger at Burger King? Good intentions or not, I just don't think the average human being has what it takes to raise a kid, some excepted.

 

 

It is hard to get this one until you have kids or all your peers do. I am not being condescending, just kind of admitting that I had NO clue until my daughter started getting a little older and I began to realize SOOOOOOOOOOOO much. This is why I have been laughing at some of the responses here, they sound like they were taken right out of my journals. There is so much that influences a parent, religion family economics, peer pressure, trends, doctors, and then there is your gut and your experience and then you find out each kid is different and nothing works on all of them, it is confusing and hard as shit and you spend many many nights with NO sleep and sometimes crying because you have no idea if what you said to your four year old is going to fuck them for life. I think that is more the norm it is just hard to grasp till you are there yourself. Trust me, you'll find out eventually.

[Silver_dragon87]

All I can think of to say right now is please don't give me that pat on the head, don't worry little one, you'll learn eventually, I've been around longer so I know better, I know what I'm talking about, I know better, one day she'll grow up patronizing bullshit. Just because I'm not a parent doesn't mean I don't realize what it means to be one. I get it, okay? Some people DO still have imaginations. Life, responsibility, sacrifice, blah de fuckin' blah--I'm AWARE. I'm surrounded by parents AND offspring. I. Fucking. Get it. My opinion STILL counts. Thus, I don't give a rat's ass if you think I 'still have to grow up.' I know what I think, and that I have valid points NOT clouded by rosey-ass sunglasses of 'parents know best' Christian horse shit, and 'my child is the greatest thing on the planet' crap. Children are irritating and babies are NOT cute. Birth is disgusting and a selfish act at this point, NOT a fucking miracle! It's genetics, people, get the fuck over it! Don't worship some bearded guy in sandals floating on a cloud and give thanks and all that shit--you should be in wonder at NATURE, you know, the thing that ACTUALLY created life. Dumbasses.

 

PS: now I have to add 'people who own pictures, figures, or poems of cherubs, angels, or other pudgey, children-shaped sugary pieces of shit to my fuck list. Fuck you.

[tizz]

You DO know I am nt a christian but a naturalist right?

[phreakwars]

You DO know I am nt a christian but a naturalist right?

Considering you don't use deodorant, who wouldn't know ??

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[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Considering you don't use deodorant, who wouldn't know ??

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So that was the wiff.The mystery is solved.Thank you detective Phreak.

[TerroristHater]

All I can think of to say right now is please don't give me that pat on the head, don't worry little one, you'll learn eventually, I've been around longer so I know better, I know what I'm talking about, I know better, one day she'll grow up patronizing bullshit. Just because I'm not a parent doesn't mean I don't realize what it means to be one. I get it, okay? Some people DO still have imaginations. Life, responsibility, sacrifice, blah de fuckin' blah--I'm AWARE. I'm surrounded by parents AND offspring. I. Fucking. Get it. My opinion STILL counts. Thus, I don't give a rat's ass if you think I 'still have to grow up.' I know what I think, and that I have valid points NOT clouded by rosey-ass sunglasses of 'parents know best' Christian horse shit, and 'my child is the greatest thing on the planet' crap. Children are irritating and babies are NOT cute. Birth is disgusting and a selfish act at this point, NOT a fucking miracle! It's genetics, people, get the fuck over it! Don't worship some bearded guy in sandals floating on a cloud and give thanks and all that shit--you should be in wonder at NATURE, you know, the thing that ACTUALLY created life. Dumbasses.

 

PS: now I have to add 'people who own pictures, figures, or poems of cherubs, angels, or other pudgey, children-shaped sugary pieces of shit to my fuck list. Fuck you.

 

 

Did you forget to take your medication?

 

If you did, cool, take it and CALM DOWN

 

If not, calm down anyway.

 

 

 

Cheers

[Outlaw2747]

All I can think of to say right now is please don't give me that pat on the head, don't worry little one, you'll learn eventually, I've been around longer so I know better, I know what I'm talking about, I know better, one day she'll grow up patronizing bullshit. Just because I'm not a parent doesn't mean I don't realize what it means to be one. I get it, okay? Some people DO still have imaginations. Life, responsibility, sacrifice, blah de fuckin' blah--I'm AWARE. I'm surrounded by parents AND offspring. I. Fucking. Get it. My opinion STILL counts. Thus, I don't give a rat's ass if you think I 'still have to grow up.' I know what I think, and that I have valid points NOT clouded by rosey-ass sunglasses of 'parents know best' Christian horse shit, and 'my child is the greatest thing on the planet' crap. Children are irritating and babies are NOT cute. Birth is disgusting and a selfish act at this point, NOT a fucking miracle! It's genetics, people, get the fuck over it! Don't worship some bearded guy in sandals floating on a cloud and give thanks and all that shit--you should be in wonder at NATURE, you know, the thing that ACTUALLY created life. Dumbasses.

 

PS: now I have to add 'people who own pictures, figures, or poems of cherubs, angels, or other pudgey, children-shaped sugary pieces of shit to my fuck list. Fuck you.

 

I envy you Silver. Not only are you more hateful than I, but you have a way of words. I AM SUPPOSED TO BE THE HATEFUL ONE HERE!!!

 

Maybe it is my rationality that keeps me from outperforming you...lol!

[Spleefman]

All I can think of to say right now is please don't give me that pat on the head, don't worry little one, you'll learn eventually, I've been around longer so I know better, I know what I'm talking about, I know better, one day she'll grow up patronizing bullshit. Just because I'm not a parent doesn't mean I don't realize what it means to be one. I get it, okay? Some people DO still have imaginations. Life, responsibility, sacrifice, blah de fuckin' blah--I'm AWARE. I'm surrounded by parents AND offspring. I. Fucking. Get it. My opinion STILL counts. Thus, I don't give a rat's ass if you think I 'still have to grow up.' I know what I think, and that I have valid points NOT clouded by rosey-ass sunglasses of 'parents know best' Christian horse shit, and 'my child is the greatest thing on the planet' crap. Children are irritating and babies are NOT cute. Birth is disgusting and a selfish act at this point, NOT a fucking miracle! It's genetics, people, get the fuck over it! Don't worship some bearded guy in sandals floating on a cloud and give thanks and all that shit--you should be in wonder at NATURE, you know, the thing that ACTUALLY created life. Dumbasses.

 

PS: now I have to add 'people who own pictures, figures, or poems of cherubs, angels, or other pudgey, children-shaped sugary pieces of shit to my fuck list. Fuck you.

 

 

Damn...I am a parent and i feel the same about people who feel..."It's all about the children!" It gets sappy.....however....

 

Shit Silver D..... do we need a hug?

[GrayGal]

I have to say that I largely agree with this person's post. I'm really fucking tired of parentals telling me what to do and wear and be because that's what THEY want. If they want something to train, they should get a dog. If they want a little version of themselves, they should back cloning because...well....fuck that! I'll be who I want to be, and they have no right in the world to tell me who I can and cannot be. I didn't tell THEM to have sex, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't have wanted to have been born if I'd had any choice in the matter.

 

And while I'm on the topic, though I know the rest of you aren't, I'm also sick of everyone saying that people can't decide to end their OWN LIVES. Putting aside the whole matter of 'what if they aren't mentally fit to make that decision' and so on, since that's not what I'm talking about, WHAT THE FUCK?! Since when does anyone OWN anyone else? Not for quite some time, yet society still has the mentality that everyone is responsible for everyone else--in that they can control them! Where is the sense in telling people that because they HAPPENED to have been born, they must suffer for as long as everyone ELSE says so?

 

 

Your parents must not have busted your ass enough when you were younger. You sound like a little punk girl who doesnt get enough attention. You are only here because your parents decided to fuckin birth you out, all they had to do is fuckin get rid of you before you had a BAD ATTITUDE.

But they took care of you and we can so tell you appreciate everything...you using a comp they probably bought for your ass who goes to school and then comes home and bitches on the net. NO JOB huh?

Well sweetie, get over it...parents will usually ALWAYS care how their kids act, look and what they do...thats just WHAT THEY DO

[tizz]

Considering you don't use deodorant, who wouldn't know ??

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I got over the not shaving and no deoderant thing quite a while ago actually. I found out in that period of my life that I am one hell of a hairy chick. Now (though reluctantly) I shave regularly. I HATE HAIR!!!!!!! Funny, while I was not shaving my legs or pits, I was shaving my head LOL Go figure. I kind of miss that freedom of youth sometimes

[Silver_dragon87]

Please don't tell me, Gray, that the only reply you have is to make conjectures about me and my life as though you know anything about me. Nothing about my life or what I DO is conveyed in my posts, though your stupidity is painfully obvious. The only thing I talk about here is what I think, and some of what I feel. So keep pulling scenarios out of your ass--at least it's better than watching Constantine.

 

(That movie sucked so much, I could have cried. It looked cool, despite Keanu Reeves. He wasn't even the problem! Damn.)

[tizz]

What kills me is feel like I am looking into a magic mirror of myself in my younger days and no offence but it is just cracking me up. Somewhere around 25 I found amusement in my idealistic youth. Boy was I a pain in the ass. LOL