Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 5, 2005 Posted August 5, 2005 Age of consent varies wildly all around the world. This is a fact. I don't think one could argue this as a case of a pedophile crime. It never ceases to amaze me how we as a society pick an arbitrary age, a number if you will, and call that "old enough". Ludicrous if you ask me. Yesterday, you're too young and now today, Happy Birthday, you're just fine. WTF? I believe that maturity and adult-like understanding when viewed in context of a potential crime, even murder, needs to be individually evaluated. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 5, 2005 Posted August 5, 2005 This is why only the victim or victim's family and not the government should ever be able to bring up charges against someone (except in the case when the governement itself was a victim, or the victim is dead and has no immediate family). Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
jokersarewild Posted August 5, 2005 Posted August 5, 2005 What is that difference? There is a pediophile norm? I really dont follow? Normally, we hear about a beating and molestation in a case like this, not marriage with parents that agree. Go figure. SO WHAT? If they were the same age i could understand the compassion...but he is 22 and she was 13(or 14) and that is quite sick and wrong. Like CES said, who decided the age limit? You believe it is wrong because you were CONDITIONED and TRAINED to think it is wrong. If you were raised to believe that 13 or 14 was a good age, then you wouldn't care. See what I am saying? If they were both men the entire country would be lighting candles for the young child....yet because they are straight they have supporters?!?!? That is bullshit and you know it! Pedophiles who are straight rape female children. This is where they both consented(I know the laws phreak), not where she was forced to fuck him. There would be no supporters of him if he molested her, and you know it! I dont think so. This idiot needs to be prosecuted because what actual "love" can he feel for her? what exactly do they have in common to talk about? Say you fell in love with a 15 year old and you were 23. Would you care what other people said about what you were doing with her? Maybe. But why the fuck are others getting involved? Their morals are their business, not yours. there is a clear case of predatoryness here......and whats wose is their parents are all for it?!?!?!?!? Again, they have different morals then you do. You fucks who are okay with this and your "sanctity of marriage" bullshit can take your bible, rub it with vaseline and shove it right up your ass...because that is where shit belongs. I am against everything that the bible stands for. And I have no real opinion either way on the sanctity of marriage. This is a clear and dry case of wrong doing...and i cannot even fathom a 13-14 year old getting married and settling down..... Neither can I, but that is the way we are raised. Kids should be able to be kids and not have to worry about this crap untill they are at least 20 or something....what a bunch of crap... It depends on the level of maturity in the person. AMEN! Cept joker, you are only 3 years older than the child in question(Or maybe 2)....But i still agree! Yeah, I am 16. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Vortex Posted August 5, 2005 Posted August 5, 2005 Normally, we hear about a beating and molestation in a case like this, not marriage with parents that agree. Go figure. Yes someone getting pregenent and married that young is not fair to that kid at all. She wont even have a proper childhood and will have to grow up far too quickly and will probably resent the child and now in turn her child will not get a proper childhood......Their entire relationship is doomed to failure all because of some pediophile.... Like CES said, who decided the age limit? You believe it is wrong because you were CONDITIONED and TRAINED to think it is wrong. If you were raised to believe that 13 or 14 was a good age, then you wouldn't care. See what I am saying? And for good reason, it is to protect the childs "childhood"....not to thrust them into adulthood. so you are saying you are ready to be married and raise a family then? I suppose you do have one perk, you parents can watch a child while your in 3rd period algebra.... That is bullshit and you know it! Pedophiles who are straight rape female children. This is where they both consented(I know the laws phreak), not where she was forced to fuck him. There would be no supporters of him if he molested her, and you know it! you totaly missed my point... Say you fell in love with a 15 year old and you were 23. Would you care what other people said about what you were doing with her? Maybe. But why the fuck are others getting involved? Their morals are their business, not yours. I highly doubt that would happen in my case. HIGHLY. im 31 and cant even find that much in common with those under 25. The thought of someone under 18 as having sex with is repulsive to me...hell even under 21 it is repulsive. They are still a child, just because they may SEEM to act mature and all their sexual organs are working doesnt mean they ARE mature and ready for that type of commitment... It depends on the level of maturity in the person. I suppose, in a twisted world sure. I wonder if the happy couple are trading Yu-Gi-oh cards on the playground with the other kids....im sure they make a quaint couple... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Dancing Free Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 Its sad when young girls puposely go out to get pregnant just so they can feel loved. You also find 16, 17 year olds acctually trying to start a family and planning to get married. This shows the lack of imaturity as they don't realise that no child should have children as thier parents. what is the legal age to have sex in America? over here its 16. the age limit is a sham, some peidos even wait till a person turns 16 just so they don't get such a harsh sentance if they get caught. Quote
tizz Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 The age od consent in most states here is 16. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
jokersarewild Posted August 16, 2005 Posted August 16, 2005 In Cali it is 18. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
Dancing Free Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 well what can you do if kids to shag? it my be ilegal but its not like the police are going to arrest somone for having sex too young. Quote
tizz Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 UH ya they will if the parents want them to. Besides, it is only rape if one is above the age of consent and one below or if one is 18 the other is younger. I had to talk a mother out of having me arested when I was 17 (I hadn't even deflowered her son yet ) Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Dancing Free Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 Thats fukin crazy! parents are weird... how old was he any way? 1 Quote
ParasiteGod Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 If there's a 2 year or less age difference though (ie 17 and 18) no one really gives a damn. It's too much money to go after everyone who has sex. But Tizz is right. If the parents want to press charges etc, then it becomes an issue of arrest. Quote I want to report a double murder. If you go one mile east on Columbus Parkway to the public park, you will find kids in a brown car. They were shot with a 9mm Luger. I also killed those kids last year. Good bye Brooks, I like you. Now get out of here. Go home.
tizz Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 I was seventeen going on eighteen he was fifteen going on sixteen. It all had to do with his older brother having dated one hell of a weird older chick. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
cynthiaa89 Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 My first instinct was leave them alone. Then I thought about it. He Quote "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
tizz Posted August 17, 2005 Posted August 17, 2005 But is a girl of 13, raised in a western society even able to make that kind of descision? And what is a 21 year old (of the samce upbringing) doing with a 13 year old? Ya I think he needs to do time and ALSO get some serious therapy. That is actually a sexual predator right there. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
cynthiaa89 Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 To put it simply, he's a child molestor. Quote "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
Dancing Free Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 All it takes is for one of those sick bastards to say "i love you" and they belive them. Quote
Happy Feller Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 he is a pervert, he should go to the jail Quote I am not Phreakwars you fucking idiots.
TheJenn88 Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Yes, they broke the law. It IS statutory rape. There's no argument about it. The question is, does the dude deserve a punishment? I don't think so. Despite how easy she may change her mind about him, or his mind about her, the fact of the matter is that it was consensual, and to me, that's good enough. I know that some people don't consider a 13 year old to have the mens rea to consent to a sexual act, and therefore someone at an age of nearly 10 years older shouldn't be able to take advantage but... As it still stands, she has not claimed it was rape, and as far as I can tell, she doesn't feel violated. She LOVES him (or as much as she knows how to at her age), and he appears to love her. They got MARRIED. I think it's fucked to press charges on him if both parties consented, and to this day, it is mutually agreed that the sex was consensual. I'm not saying it's gross-free. I think it's quite weird. And for all we know, he may just be using her for a quick fuck, but it dosen't matter. she doesn't feel violated, and she consented. Even if later down the road he dumps her for some reason, and he says their relationship was about the sex, what's she gonna do? She consented. She believed it. She HAS the power to say no. Quote
phreakwars Posted August 19, 2005 Author Posted August 19, 2005 Jenn, it was not consensual sex because, by the definition in the law books, she is not old enough to be able to consent to this act. Therefore, he knowingly committed a crime for well over a year and 1/2 before they were married, and many times BEFORE she became pregnant. Just because they got married, should not excuse him from being prosecuted for a crime he is guilty of. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
Msixty Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 take his ass to prison, we don't need more of the fuckers Quote Your stupidity is My weapon WARNING! my mood and mental state are strongly influenced by music and T.V./movies..... i may seem the slightest bit insane.. just don't let me watch my favorite show and or listen to my music and it will all be alright.
phreakwars Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 This story is now showing on 20/20 on your local ABC station. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
phreakwars Posted September 17, 2005 Author Posted September 17, 2005 I guess for as long as this topic has been up, it's time we put up a Poll. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
tizz Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 I don't know. I am reminded of Loretta Lynn and Jerry Lee Lewis here. It could work?? maybe Hell hicks are hicks right? Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
skategreen Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 I'm not saying it's gross-free. I like this. and like a nice banana I shall steal it. and use it. whence the occasion arises. Quote The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings. - Buddha
skategreen Posted September 17, 2005 Posted September 17, 2005 I had to talk a mother out of having me arested when I was 17 (I hadn't even deflowered her son yet ) Ohhh Tizzy, I missed this post of yours... This is good story tellin material. Must add it to the list of stories to swap over tea. Quote The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings. - Buddha
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