Who's more dangerous

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

For: Rotting Wang

 

I asked: Please identify for me any "puppet" President of the United States and how you would define them as being a puppet?

 

You replied: Certainly, bozo.

 

There is a number of neocons currently in the White House. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice being three. They ALL influence the decision making process of your president, or they wouldn't be in the job. Now, clearly, the combined influence of these three at LEAST, will have a significant impact on the policies that emerge from the White House, thus rendering the President a puppet.

 

My Commentary: What a pathetic try! Oh I see. Because the President has advisors whom he APPOINTED, who happen to hold different political views than you yet similar to the President, they are neocons who actually pull the strings of the President who appointed them, thereby making the President a puppet. Right.

 

That little premise of yours wouldn't even get you a "D" in Political Science 101!

 

You really do have a miniscule brain don't you. The education they provide in Australia seems to be a bit lacking in critical thought.

 

 

 

I asked: Please identify for me as to how occupying the White House for 5 years so far qualifies as the "neo-cons maintaining power", especially after the 2 terms of the most popular Democratic President other than FDR just prior to Mr. Bush?

 

 

You replied: Please learn to read. I said IF the neocons maintain power. Put another way, at your next election they will have had 8 years. If their man gets in at the next election, they will inherit 4 or 8 MORE years. Thus will they maintain their power.

 

My Commentary: I read perfectly, even your incoherent babbling. Please learn our political system in its entirety if you plan to criticize it.

 

The President is not a KING. Quite the contrary, his power is balanced by the Senate and the House of Representatives who are under no legal obligation to vote to support the President's policies and who always at some point in a Presidential term, vote against the President regardless of political party affiliations. It's already happening now.

 

Although currently, the Senate and House are controlled by a majority of Republicans, the elections for BOTH of these houses comes up BEFORE and during the next Presidential election so Senators and Congressman are backpedaling to their constituents to save face and retain their positions. I've said it before, Presidents come and go, but wise and cunning Senators/Congressmen live forever. The public ass kissing is already started.

 

Here's a brain flash for you dimwit. Power in this country is CONSTANTLY shifting around. It's the American way. Not even the REGAN legacy could be kept going after he left office. Bush Sr. tried, but failed miserably after 4 short years.

 

 

 

I asked: Please explain to me how you could possibly envision the possibility of the USA as having "deteriorated into slaughtering its own through government invoked military operations, or draconian legislation"?

 

You replied: Again, please ask one of your children to read my post for you. I said that America had NOT descended to that level. However, it has in the past. The USA slaughtered its own in the Kent State University massacre http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2556/kent.html

where 4 students died and others were wounded during a political protest. Also, I remind you of the genocidal doctrine of the KKK, which in its heyday numbered government officials and politicians in its membership.

 

My Commentary: You cannot make up your mind which useless direction you wish to pursue can you? Kent State and the KKK as examples of draconian legislation and organized goverment slaughtering of US citizens? What The Fuck? You're kidding right? That's the best you can do? That doesn't even begin to warrant any kind of response because it is self-evident as just BULLSHIT on your part. I expected more from the "Great and Powerful" Rotwang, but obviously your abilities to formulate VALID arguments are on the level of a 2nd grader.

 

 

 

I stated: Given your statements of "But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction.", it should be very easy for you to cite numerous examples of this, right? Please do.

 

You replied: America's drift towards fascism is evidenced by its growing extremist levels of patriotism, and its inherent belief that it is a superior nation and society than any other. Accompanying that is the rise of religious fervour that maintains a conservative and inward perspective on global affairs. The concept of Fortress America is getting airtime again. America has invaded Iraq without reason, other than it believed it had the right as a superior democratic nation. America's hypocritical view of "freedom" is exposed as personal freedoms and liberties are eroded in the name of national security. America still remains a racist nation - there is still a significant anti-black component, as you yourself have typified by use of the word "******" as a means of attempted offence (it doesn't work on non-Americans, by the way). America has an internal espionage agency (or two perhaps) which monitors its own citizens.

 

America is not a fascist country, by virtue of the fact that there is still elements of democracy in play. But recent elections have raised suspicions that your elections are far from far and equitable, which must be a matter of concern.

 

My commentary: It's so enjoyable for me to watch you grasp at straws. You really are desperate here aren't you?

 

Your statement that America is drifting towards Fascism is by far, the single most idiotic statement you have made to date. I hate to burst your bubble of fantasy, but the very nature of our political system, prevents a fascist leader from EVER rising to power. The Founding Fathers of this Nation were SMART men and they took this into account. You need to take an American Government class if you wish to discuss something like this, because you are so ignorant of how our political system works, its almost comical on your part.

 

Before you make this mistake again, please educate yourself and read The Federalist Papers by "Publius", the pen names of Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, and Democracy in America Vol. I & II by Alexis de Tocqueville, that way you won't make such a fool of yourself.

 

Religious fervor? Such saber rattling comes and goes by the religious groups. It's nothing of importance but the current electronic all day news groups find it a constant source of fodder for ratings, so it get air time. This too will pass as it ALWAYS has. The most wonderful thing about religion is that, even members of the same religion, fight and fight with each other about what is and what is not. Such complete discord prevents any unified political activity of anything worthy of a major blip on the political radar screen.

 

America invaded Iraq after an ultimatum was issued directly to Saddam Hussein and his sons. Leave, or we'll make you leave. They could have left to go to anyplace in the world they liked, and lived the life of luxury as political exiles and we would have had no reason to invade, but they chose not to comply and in fact, made even more threats to world security. Now, Saddam is in our prison and his sons are dead. We are fighting a battle against religious extremist who are terrorists and threaten the very fabric of world peace but then again, you probably don't think bombs blowing up in Spain, and London, or 9/11 qualify as acts of terrorist requiring a response do you?

 

Racist? Neither I nor America is more racist than Mickey Mouse or Disneyland. I use the word ****** to describe any individual, regardless of skin color, who feels that ignorance, violence, social degradation, and general criminal conduct are okay. They are not. I went to a high school with 27 languages spoken on campus, so I can tell you that your views on racism in America are horseshit. There are opportunities for all people of all colors and races here in this great country if they work hard and keep their noses clean. Listen moron, don't speak about what you don't know. It makes you look even stupider than you are.

 

Monitoring our citizens...I sure hope so. Are you so blind as to think that all countries don't do this? Hell in England, they have cities with cameras set up all over the city which goes to a central police station.

 

Elections not equitable? What? Where? Oh, you mean the presidential election between Bush and Gore? Well, it was a close race, and it was scrutinized by the very best minds we could have look at it, and it even saw decisions made by the US Supreme court! Oh yeah, I'd say it was equitable and fair, and legal. What the hell do you know of it anyway? What your news agency told you... Oh yeah, that's valid information. Were you here? Probably not. News Flash oh cranial-rectally inserted one, I was.

 

You Court Jester Bozo! I don't misrepresent and have no need to distort or twist anything. Feeling a bit outgunned at the moment? It's a truly valid feeling on your part clown! Get used to it if you're going to attempt debating with me. You just cannot stand the fact that your arguments are pathetically weak and cannot withstand even the slightest of scrutiny. Regrettably, it is clearly evident to all who are here at GF laughing at you, that it is YOU who is out of your league.

 

 

Nigger slap playground games are hardly a proper weapon for a debate. You are truly unarmed for a battle of wits. You should go back to Brawl Hall and post some smack shit there to make you feel better.

 

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I also was not aware, being the "BIG GUYS" of brawl hall that you all are, that you leave such a tremendous impact on ANY forum you visit by your sheer AURA of greatness... Your mum must be proud...

 

So you never did properly introduce yourself Rotwang... where ya from, what do ya do for a living.... got any kids ?? Are ya married ??

 

Why so hostile ??

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Mum's proud. Maybe Rotwang and Mao san are too proud to bite the bullet, and come play.

 

It's been fun so far. Don't let the tryhards turn you off.

 

Surely you've enjoyed the joust?

 

[phreakwars]

As for chairman not being able to post, and YOU ARE while being in the idiot box... uh DUH !!! Were fucking with her, you guys should really lighten up.

 

Haha... idiot box was broke, permissions were set wrong .... CLASSIC !!

 

I make rules around here, and I BREAK my own rules. All of us Mods do.. but mostly we just have fun being dicks to each other, I suppose I could release Chairman Mao now... I've given her a reason to bitch about us on BH (which is what she came here to do in the first place, correct ??).

 

But really... LIGHTEN UP YOU 2 !!

 

And again, welcome to GF.

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[tizz]

It's all about initiation (and seeing how far you can be pushed before you cry like a bitch)

 

Take it like a man, get it over with, and get on with it.

 

Geesh!!!

 

I have my face flying out of an inside out ass for crying out loud and you are upset by a little Jabbing? LMAO Sad man

[Rotwang]

You Court Jester Bozo! I don't misrepresent and have no need to distort or twist anything. Feeling a bit outgunned at the moment? It's a truly valid feeling on your part clown! Get used to it if you're going to attempt debating with me. You just cannot stand the fact that your arguments are pathetically weak and cannot withstand even the slightest of scrutiny. Regrettably, it is clearly evident to all who are here at GF laughing at you, that it is YOU who is out of your league.

 

 

Nigger slap playground games are hardly a proper weapon for a debate. You are truly unarmed for a battle of wits. You should go back to Brawl Hall and post some smack shit there to make you feel better.

 

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Faith and loyalty are admirable.

 

Blind faith and loyalty is the foundation for totalitarianism. And you have just illustrated the wonderfully effective consequences of American propaganda and illusion created by your superiors.

 

Without once actually examining my points objectively. See, there is a world of difference between "debating" and "defending". And you, like a ventriliquists dummy, are simply toeing the party line.

 

God Bless America. If its American, Its Right!!! Questioning America Is Treason. Achtung, Baby. Hail to The Fuhrer.

 

None so blind as those that will not see.

 

Please point to where I said America was a fascist nation.

 

Oh, and just to point out one or two plot holes - America's invasion of Iraq was OK, because it gave Hussein an ultimatum, huh?? By what right does America give ANY country an ultimatum. Please point out the authority.

 

America's legal pinnacle is the Supreme Court, I gather. Who appoints the Supreme Court? Is there not a reasonable amount of controversy going on at the moment about political appointees to the Supreme Court?

 

And so on, and so on...

 

You have no clue, because all you know, all you've ever known is what your politicians, propagandists and institutions have rammed into your vacant cranium. They would be proud of their handiwork. Another prick in the wall.

[tizz]

Whoever is in office when a judge retires or kix the bucket gets to pick the next one thereby making sure that NO administration gets to pick the whole court. I can piss on america all I want, wanna know why? I LIVE HERE I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. If you don't live here, if you have not gone tp the trouble to seek out america and americans then you have no right spewing forth shit from teh septic tank that is your pie hole. Better a pricl in the wall than a prickless beblle being stepped on by ever sap trying to climb the wal to get in.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Faith and loyalty are admirable.

 

Blind faith and loyalty is the foundation for totalitarianism. And you have just illustrated the wonderfully effective consequences of American propaganda and illusion created by your superiors.

 

Without once actually examining my points objectively. See, there is a world of difference between "debating" and "defending". And you, like a ventriliquists dummy, are simply toeing the party line.

 

God Bless America. If its American, Its Right!!! Questioning America Is Treason. Achtung, Baby. Hail to The Fuhrer.

 

None so blind as those that will not see.

 

Please point to where I said America was a fascist nation.

 

Oh, and just to point out one or two plot holes - America's invasion of Iraq was OK, because it gave Hussein an ultimatum, huh?? By what right does America give ANY country an ultimatum. Please point out the authority.

 

America's legal pinnacle is the Supreme Court, I gather. Who appoints the Supreme Court? Is there not a reasonable amount of controversy going on at the moment about political appointees to the Supreme Court?

 

And so on, and so on...

 

You have no clue, because all you know, all you've ever known is what your politicians, propagandists and institutions have rammed into your vacant cranium. They would be proud of their handiwork. Another prick in the wall.

 

As a regular player of Poker, I can tell you that poker is not a game of cards; it's a game of "tells". Here's a fantastic "tell" about people here at GF just like Rotting Wanker here.

 

The moment they STOP using quotes of what you say, especially when they have loved to use them many times before, you've just struck a central nerve in them and they've run out of valid arguments to refute you.

 

Like clockwork, they will next without fail, make an "ad hominem" argument and always try to shift the conversation away from that raw nerve and to another line of reasoning just like Rotting Wanker here.

 

Nice try Rotting Wanker, but I'm not buying it. You still cannot debate you way out of a paper bag.

 

Defending versus debating huh? Well I can guarantee you that no person here has taken on more of the Mods and even the Admin here other than me. I've fought long and hard with everyone from MRIH to PIK, to Bob himself. I've been in the idiot box a few times, had a poll or two blow up in my face, but through it all, I was a consummate debater. You on the other hand, are just a poser and a lousy one at that.

 

As to your fascist quotation, why it's right in this thread, on page 3.

 

America is probably very close to being categorised as fascist

 

Does that jog your memory a bit you Alzheimer riddled old goat?

[Rotwang]

As to your fascist quotation, why it's right in this thread, on page 3.

 

 

 

Does that jog your memory a bit you Alzheimer riddled old goat?

 

You mean this?

America is probably very close to being categorised as fascist, especially if the neo-cons manage to maintain power through puppet Presidents, but has not yet deteriorated into slaughtering its own through government invoked military operations, or draconian legislation.

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Does this say America is a fascist nation??

 

Does it say it in the post a few pages earlier?

 

It doesn't, does it. It says that America is heading in the direction of fascism principles and political ideology.

 

You really are a complete twat. You bigmouthed yourself on age, and got trumped. You misquote my words, or contort them into a meaning to suit your own myopia, and you accuse ME of being of not having valid arguments.

 

I stated my case, and provided the facts in support. Thats debating.

 

You've just jumped up and down defending your nations honour with emotion and diatribe.

 

Thats ignorance.

 

Dont try to intimidate me with your criminal record, asswipe. I've stared down bucketheads like wearing sunglasses, and your tendency to argue and talk shit to your own detriment is patently obvious, requiring no further corroboration. I used to get paid to put opinionated, ill-educated rednecks like you in cages, laughing boy, and I LOVED my work.

 

I repeat: If you want to impress with your he-man testicles, take it to BH. As Phrick says, this aint a bullring. OK. I can accept that. BH is. Come pay me a visit and show all the BH'ers what a sinister and indominatible foe you are.

 

For now, America is mimicking some characteristics of fascism.

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14 more posts and you get to have your own special avatar, Rotwang. It's kind of like when your mom finally let you hang that picture up of "Ponch" from CHiPs.

[phreakwars]

Don't be silly, he's older then that, it was THIS poster:

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That was right before he found himself a cheer squad to join.

 

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Go the ? Leafs?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Rotten Wanker; the Down Under Blunder!

 

You grace me with your presence and words again. I am honored.

 

Let's "Play Ball!".

 

You mean this? "America is probably very close to being categorised as fascist...?" Does this say America is a fascist nation??

 

Yes, in it's own round about way it does although it speaks as to the "near future" for complete categorization. Curious; It's your message and your clear attempt at being satirical but your message was loud and clear and even comes up and later at the end of this post!

 

You really are a complete twat. You bigmouthed yourself on age, and got trumped. You misquote my words, or contort them into a meaning to suit your own myopia, and you accuse ME of being of not having valid arguments.

 

You're still hearing those "voices" aren't you?

 

I NEVER "bigmouthed" myself on age. Rather, I said "Both of you are clearly adolescents either in mind, body or perhaps both." Go check the quote Sherlock.

 

Constantly using words like "twat" "asswipe" "chump" and the like, in virtually every post you make, only serves to confirm my above stated belief, regardless of your 54 (stated yet unconfirmed) years of age.

 

I stated my case, and provided the facts in support. Thats debating.

 

Where? Did I miss something someplace?

 

You've just jumped up and down defending your nations honour with emotion and diatribe. Thats ignorance.

 

Not being willing to defend one's own nation when wrongly accused is cowardice. Don't you have any national pride of that Chunk of Penal Colony dirt at the bottom of the globe?

 

Dont try to intimidate me with your criminal record, asswipe. I've stared down bucketheads like wearing sunglasses, and your tendency to argue and talk shit to your own detriment is patently obvious, requiring no further corroboration.

 

Is this a sentence, if so, I need a translation please; it's illegible.

 

I used to get paid to put opinionated, ill-educated rednecks like you in cages, laughing boy, and I LOVED my work.

 

Do tell, what kind of job was that Constable? You sound bitter for having lost it. I'm sorry.

 

I repeat: If you want to impress with your he-man testicles, take it to BH. As Phrick says, this aint a bullring. OK. I can accept that. BH is. Come pay me a visit and show all the BH'ers what a sinister and indominatible foe you are.

 

You still aren't getting it are you. Listen up and I'll make it clear.

 

I don't care one bit what you think of me personally. I have no desire to be neither sinister nor indominatable. What I care about is that you realize that this (GF) is a great community and we have some really great people here who routinely contribute good solid ideas and opinions and debate to the delight of other members. You are so daft that you haven't figured out that we RAZZ everybody who is new around here, and take special time with the braggarts who try to sneak in the door in lamb

[TWorld PoliceA]

"But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction."

 

Are are fucking crazy?? We the American people are our own army!! We carey our own guns and if the Government turned on us the fight wouldnt last but a few days if a minute! And our good men & women in the Military would not turn on us.

 

"There was no KKK?"

 

The only KKK member we have is in the Democratic Party...LOL

 

As for Cumminism VS Nazism, im sorry but I gotta say Communism is worse, im mean hello! Its killed/starved like 200 million people in the last 100 years!!!! It has NEVER worked and NEVER will! And dont say Cuba works, PLEASE! People dont swim 90 miles in shark infested waters to get away from something that works and they do it daly! The only people fleeing the USA are criminals on the run! Other than that we have a 11 million illegal aliens problem! And if Americans want to leave they can but people in Cuba dont have that right, you know why? BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEVER GO BACK!! There wouldnt be a 1000 people in any Communist Country (except maybe China thats because its moving towards Capitalism and life is improving because of it) left if they were allowed to leave!

 

And I just dont understand why people are calling Bush a Nazi, the blacks are still getting their welfare checks so whats the problem?

[Kryptonite Man]

"But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction."

 

Are you fucking crazy?? We the American people are our own army!! We carry our own guns and if the Government turned on us the fight wouldn't last but a few days if a minute! And our good men & women in the Military would not turn on us!

 

"There was no KKK?"

 

The only KKK member we have is in the Democratic Party...LOL

 

As for Communism VS Nazism, I'm sorry but I gotta say Communism is worse, I mean, hello! Its killed/starved like 200 million people in the last 100 years!!!! It has NEVER worked and NEVER will! And don't say Cuba works, PLEASE! People dont swim 90 miles in shark infested waters to get away from something that works and they do it daily! The only people fleeing the USA are criminals on the run! Other than that we have a 11 million illegal aliens problem! And if Americans want to leave they can but people in Cuba dont have that right, you know why? BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEVER GO BACK!! There wouldnt be a 1000 people in any Communist Country (except maybe China thats because its moving towards Capitalism and life is improving because of it) left if they were allowed to leave!

 

And I just dont understand why people are calling Bush a Nazi, the blacks are still getting their welfare checks so, whats the problem?

Agreed. Both systems are failed examples of Man trying to play God. COMMUNISM AND NAZISM BOTH SUCK OUT THE WAZOO!!!

[Rotwang]

"But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction."

 

Are are fucking crazy?? We the American people are our own army!! We carey our own guns and if the Government turned on us the fight wouldnt last but a few days if a minute! And our good men & women in the Military would not turn on us.

 

"There was no KKK?"

 

The only KKK member we have is in the Democratic Party...LOL

 

Here's a clue, fencepost.

 

If, heaven forbid, America imploded upon itself and the citizenry rose up in arms against the military, it would last about a day.

 

Whilst we speak of a hypothetical circumstances, a ragtag of civilians with Saturday Night Specials and hunting rifles would be no match for a well trained and disciplined military force, particulary when they also have the commensurate armour and air power.

 

However, in the event that America falls into anarchy, the proliferation of firearms will ensure that the casualty rate will be catastrophic.

 

America has waged war upon itself in the past, and it is still socially fractious and politically polarised.

 

Recent events in New Orleans demonstrate how easily the descent into chaos would come. Although Mother Nature was to blame, when all options failed, looting, robbing and killing ensued.

 

This is NOT the characteristic of a cohesive, dedicated, caring society. It is not symptomatic of compassionate people living in harmony regardless of race, creed and colour.

 

Rather, it seemed to evidence the tendency of Americans towards selfishness and racism.

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fencepost?? Love it.

 

Rotwang wrote:

America has waged war upon itself in the past, and it is still socially fractious and politically polarised.

 

This is the problem. Democracy does not happen with only two parties. Four minimum for crediblity and five parties make for a true democracy.

 

Otherwise, you end up with only two choices. Both were not particularly impressive. Neither had any new solutions, both debated dismally, and if that is the best the US could offer in leadership terms, it really is time you took a long hard look at the system that you have in place. It clearly sux.

[phreakwars]

Here's a clue, fencepost.

 

If, heaven forbid, America imploded upon itself and the citizenry rose up in arms against the military, it would last about a day.

 

Whilst we speak of a hypothetical circumstances, a ragtag of civilians with Saturday Night Specials and hunting rifles would be no match for a well trained and disciplined military force, particularly when they also have the commensurate armour and air power.

 

However, in the event that America falls into anarchy, the proliferation of firearms will ensure that the casualty rate will be catastrophic.

 

America has waged war upon itself in the past, and it is still socially fractious and politically polarised.

 

Recent events in New Orleans demonstrate how easily the descent into chaos would come. Although Mother Nature was to blame, when all options failed, looting, robbing and killing ensued.

 

This is NOT the characteristic of a cohesive, dedicated, caring society. It is not symptomatic of compassionate people living in harmony regardless of race, creed and colour.

 

Rather, it seemed to evidence the tendency of Americans towards selfishness and racism.

Can't say I disagree with that at all Rotwang, but, the only thing is, that was only one region of America. 65% poor, alot of uneducated, and yes alot of them black.

 

America as a whole would not collapse, but I do believe key regions would.

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[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If, heaven forbid, America imploded upon itself and the citizenry rose up in arms against the military, it would last about a day.

 

Whilst we speak of a hypothetical circumstances, a ragtag of civilians with Saturday Night Specials and hunting rifles would be no match for a well trained and disciplined military force, particulary when they also have the commensurate armour and air power.

 

However, in the event that America falls into anarchy, the proliferation of firearms will ensure that the casualty rate will be catastrophic.

 

America has waged war upon itself in the past, and it is still socially fractious and politically polarised.

 

Recent events in New Orleans demonstrate how easily the descent into chaos would come. Although Mother Nature was to blame, when all options failed, looting, robbing and killing ensued.

 

This is NOT the characteristic of a cohesive, dedicated, caring society. It is not symptomatic of compassionate people living in harmony regardless of race, creed and colour.

 

Rather, it seemed to evidence the tendency of Americans towards selfishness and racism.

 

What a great and powerful doomsday naysayer you are for a Twirp

[TWorld PoliceA]

If, heaven forbid, America imploded upon itself and the citizenry rose up in arms against the military, it would last about a day.

 

I said against a Government not the Military! Our Military votes 80% Conservative/Republican so I find it VERY hard to believe they would turn against freedom and all that this Country stands for and its people for some Fidel Castro type Commie pig or if Bush or any President ordered them to start executing us! And if you think different you REALLY do not know or understand the men & women in OUR Military!! Our Military didnt even care much for Bill Clinton, I think like 25% voted for him, and as little as a socialist he was he still WAS NO Dream killing COMMIE!

 

Recent events in New Orleans demonstrate how easily the descent into chaos would come. Although Mother Nature was to blame, when all options failed, looting, robbing and killing ensued.

 

You havnt been around many blacks have you? Or atleast American blacks? American blacks are just like the ones in say Congo or Somalia, just like animals in a Zoo, let them out and they go WILD! Blacks in other western civilised Countries seem to be fine except for the ones in the USA (lucky us ) and I blame this on a handful of black leaders that we call "poverty pimps" (you better be glad you dont have these or you would be supporting your black community too), if they ever are shot things might start to turn around and they might see they are their own worst enemy and that whitie doesnt hold them down. And also the looting, robbing and killing ensued just as soon as the hurricane past over New Orleans.

 

For you Australians, how do you feel about your Conservative Government and John Howard? You are in the Iraq war to you know.

[Rotwang]

Can't say I disagree with that at all Rotwang, but, the only thing is, that was only one region of America. 65% poor, alot of uneducated, and yes alot of them black.

 

America as a whole would not collapse, but I do believe key regions would.

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Take a look around, Phrick. New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit.

 

If one goes, all will go.

 

And as long as America continues to try and fool itself into believing it is Nirvana, rather than accepting that it is a sand castle sitting on a fault line, the more likely a major social catastrophe will eventuate.

 

New Orleans once again demonstrates that despite all its pontificating and self aggrandissement, despite its intrinsic belief that it is "a model to the world" (George Bush) America is a nation slowly but surely staggering to a precipice.

 

Can't happen?

 

If you'd have suggested to ANY scholar, politician or commentator in 1992 that the Soviet Union had less than a year to go, you'd have been laughed off as a gibbering idiot. And remember, the Soviet's population was under much tighter control, and more heavily indoctrinated that America's.

 

I repeat, I hope it doesn't happen. I dont believe it has to happen. But I'm convinced it will while Americans blind themselves to the reality of the world and their role in it.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Take a look around, Phreak. New Orleans, Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit.

 

If one goes, all will go.

 

Balderdash! You just cannot stop displaying your stupidity can you?

 

Well genius, New Orleans has "gone". Why are LA, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, and every other city in this country doing just fine?

 

The rest of your post is just sewer fodder...same stench, different day.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you'd have suggested to ANY scholar, politician or commentator in 1992 that the Soviet Union had less than a year to go, you'd have been laughed off as a gibbering idiot. And remember, the Soviet's population was under much tighter control, and more heavily indoctrinated that America's.

 

You're the only gibbering idiot here you dolt!

 

Quite the contrary. Starting at the top, President Ronald Regan deliberately set out on a course to topple the Soviet Union through economic measures. He knew it was only a matter of time.

 

There were several scholarly works published PRIOR to the demise of the USSR, foretelling of its eventual doom and collapse. Try http://www.google.com and you'll find some to read.

 

Even after the collapse of the USSR, the pieces emerged and Russia is doing better now than ever. So are most all of the other Baltic region countries. Of course, as usual, the Muslim countries are totally fucked up, but then again, nothing less is expected from Muslims anyway.

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You're the only gibbering idiot here you dolt!

 

Quite the contrary. Starting at the top, President Ronald Regan deliberately set out on a course to topple the Soviet Union through economic measures. He knew it was only a matter of time.

 

There were several scholarly works published PRIOR to the demise of the USSR, foretelling of its eventual doom and collapse. Try http://www.google.com and you'll find some to read.

 

Even after the collapse of the USSR, the pieces emerged and Russia is doing better now than ever. So are most all of the other Baltic region countries. Of course, as usual, the Muslim countries are totally fucked up, but then again, nothing less is expected from Muslims anyway.

 

Your failure to see the point for your own emotive perspective is tedious.

 

The issue was NOT "if" it collapsed or didn't, and it didn't need the foresight of Nostradamus to predict it would fold. Nor is the issue its relative progress since.

 

The POINT, you illiterate gibbon, is that had you asked anyone in 1992 if the the Soviet was going to collapse in less than a year, they would have regarded you as deranged.

 

There was no hint or indication that the end was nigh.

 

It occurred in the blink of an historic eye. THAT was the point. You never really know how close you are to civil collapse.

 

Here's a tip. Before responding to my posts, PM me to ask what the point is before committing yourself to embarassment.