Who's more dangerous

[Rotwang]

Interesting how people evaluate political ideology by the number of people said ideology killed.

 

By that measure, capitalism too has much to answer for.

 

However, if you wish to address the question intellectually, rather then emotionally, you need to separate the ideology from its neophytes who acted under its authority, but not necessarily under its morality. Hitler did not kill because Fascism as an ideology advocates slaughtering its opponents, nor did Stalin. Nor did Osama Bin Laden. They killed because they were and are demented psychopaths who would kill in the cause of the Red Cross if that was the cause they believed in.

 

In fact, fascism and communism are in many ways indistinguishable. Contrary to popular opinion, it was not Hitler than conceived of the fascist form of Government, but Mussolini.

 

And Mussolini derived it from his view that while communism had much going for it, it described as an objective a global paradise dominated by a single ideology as espoused by Lenin, but perverted by Stalin to mean turn the world Russian.

 

Therefore, communism in his view was simply a means for global domination by the Bolshevik Russians, and most countries regarded them as subhuman troglodytes.

 

So Mussolini said lets have socialist ideals such as centralised government, and single party representation, but let us develop socialism on a national, rather than global basis. In other words, look after our own countries first.

 

Hitler took it a little further, in that he sought to "re-unite" those countries that were historically part of the Prussian empire, so that as a single nation under fascism it would be the strongest nation in humanity's history. In creating this "Reich", it was also necessary to purify the inhabitants by removing non-Prussians, specifically the Jews (he dismissed blacks and Asians as irrelevant).

 

Where your views go awry is that you confuse dictatorship with their underlying ideology. Dictators slaughter their citizens and those of other countries for a whole swathe of reasons. Examples are Rwanda, Kampuchea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iraq and Uganda.

 

America is probably very close to being categorised as fascist, especially if the neo-cons manage to maintain power through puppet Presidents, but has not yet deteriorated into slaughtering its own through government invoked military operations, or draconian legislation.

 

But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction.

[tizz]

Nazis, or Communists?

 

I am shocked... This from you and no option for nationalism? Time to reopen where the nazis came from eh?

[papabryant]

Nazis. Nazis kill people for bullshit reasons like having a certain amout of melanin in their skin or coming from an outside country and run a centralized totalitarian society that controls your every move and thought.

 

Communism is...a worker's utopia where people don't have to worry about being fucked over by some rich cunt who is too damn cheap to pay a decent wage and provide decent conditions and therefore forces kids to work like slaves in a fucking dimly lit sweatshop where they get chopped up and end up full of diseases (while the corporate pigs get rich from slack, cushy managment positions and from sitting on their asses collecting shares) and where the people don't have to put up with some rich fucker gloating over the people as they starve to death and work themselves into an early graves, and not have to worry about some fucking corporation pulling strings to ass laws on people-or to get away with breaking laws that would otherwise prevent them from fucking people over leaving them to starve and die.

 

The Soviet Union was indeed witness to more government related killing than the Third Reich. However, the Soviet Union had a much bigger population. I'm sure if the Thrid Reich had the larger population they would have seen more kills. It's a law of numbers.

 

^-------------- Is he in the final stages of syphilis or something?

[fullauto]

he's just young... he thinks because all his peers feel that way, than it has to be right! He'll get it... just give him till about 25 or so....

[tizz]

he's just young... he thinks because all his peers feel that way, than it has to be right! He'll get it... just give him till about 25 or so....

 

Ya I don't know why but something just kind of changes right around 25. It's almost spooky

[OmegaManiac]

Human nature will not let communism work if you look at it closely, communism is very close to the teaching of christianity. sacrificing personal gain and riches for the good of the world as a whole. Ironic isn't it. Personally I am for the captilist way of life in a truly Democratic society. Nazis are and have always been very similar to what is happening in the USA today. America is becoming the axis of evil.

Remember the school yard When you did something wrong point to some else, or another group and say "they made me do it". Congress and the senate are the grown up version of the play ground of your youth, doesn't that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

my point from this shaky soap box is, Don't make the same mistake Germany did in the 30's

That mistake, for those who were not paying attention was, not securing the oil neccessary to fuel the war effort. If not for that, we would probably all be speaking german.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

he's just young... he thinks because all his peers feel that way, than it has to be right! He'll get it... just give him till about 25 or so....

 

What peers? Most of my so-called peers shove money grabbing materialist pack rat yuppie bullshit down my throat even more than you and everyone else on here put together could ever even begin to dream abou. I'll magically become some kind of capitalist pig at 25? Dream on. I don't care to be rich now, I won't care then. And as for the expensive materialism involved? Who needs that shit? I sure as fuck don't. If you want a mansion on a beach in Malaysia, and about five sports cars parked out front, go for it. But don't think for a minute I'm going to go for it.

[tizz]

Why does EVERYTHING anyone says to you HAVE to be about capitolism? There IS more to life than that you know OI VEY!!

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Because Crapitalism tends to be the bullshit in the heads of everyone who disagrees with my views. If that's not what you people think i'm going to magically become when I wake up on the morning of my 25th birthday, then tell me what you DO think will happen.

[tizz]

OK I will say it again...

 

Komrade YOU are a DUMBASS!!!!!

 

That's it, that's all I got here. Your stupidity has officially stupified me

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Well, I know you're stupified. That's nothing new, and it's probably a chronic condition you have. so I'll just make it really simple:

 

You say I'm going to completely change around the time I turn 25

 

And I don't buy that

 

Usually people who bitch about communists all the time are compulsive capitalists

 

I assume you think that's what you think I'm going to magically change into

 

You say it's not nessicarly going to be that way because there are other views

 

So, little miss psychic that knows everything that's going to happen in my future

 

What the hell do you think is going to happen to me?

[tizz]

OK I challenge you to find one time that I have so much implied that you will or should turn into a comunist. You have your head so far up your arse you have no idea that there is more to life and the world than Capitolism vs comunism. As far as turning 25 it has nothing at all to do with political affiliation but rather with somekind of enllightnement (not the right word but the closest I got at the moment) It's a kind of rite of passage, or a transition from adolesence to adulthood that opens the eye up to the world outside of our own anus. 25 just seems to be about the time that tends to happen (across all cultures) It's when (without warning) one becomes a grown up.

 

So.... for now you are still allowed to continue sniffing the aparent roses that MUST be oozing from your lower colon, but be aware that like everyone else on here when you say something stupid, someone will let oyu know about it

[OmegaManiac]

Because Crapitalism tends to be the bullshit in the heads of everyone who disagrees with my views. If that's not what you people think i'm going to magically become when I wake up on the morning of my 25th birthday, then tell me what you DO think will happen.

KVH opens his sleep filled eyes..........yawn. Looks around the room colorfully decorated with a variety of posters, band paraphanalia, and other such items related to "teen individuality". " Wow I'm 25 years old. Mom! where's my double headed dildo?" Removes dildo from ass."nevermind, found it." Packs bowl of weed he stole from his mommy's drawer and begins the day. Grabs clothes from the floor and gives a quick sniff"Eh, not too bad" " Off to the mall to hang out with my (friends)". Takes car that is paid for by mommy to the local mall, parks close because walking is lame. Makes comments about all the fucked up mall fucks going into the trendy stores, and makes his way to (spencers) or any other store of equal value, cause they are the "cool stores". Buys some new shit, collars, fishnets, Dio T-shirts with the money that mommy gave him to clean his room. Hangs out with his shitheel friends (after they get out of school for the day) bitching about the fucked up capitolist blah blah blah......

 

 

Hey, I don't even know you but You opened up this mental picture and it just kinda grew from there......Hope your not one of those soft skinned little wannabe's that's gonna get all offended and try to "lash out " with some teen-age "got the world by the balls" wisdom and make a rectal pie out of yourself........

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

OK I challenge you to find one time that I have so much implied that you will or should turn into a comunist.

 

I already am a COMMMUNIST, I'm not going to turn into something I already am

 

 

You have your head so far up your arse you have no idea that there is more to life and the world than Capitolism vs comunism.

 

I'm perfectly aware of that, but hey, it's still part of (MY) life. Not all of it, but defnately part of it.

 

As far as turning 25 it has nothing at all to do with political affiliation but rather with somekind of enllightnement (not the right word but the closest I got at the moment) It's a kind of rite of passage, or a transition from adolesence to adulthood that opens the eye up to the world outside of our own anus. 25 just seems to be about the time that tends to happen (across all cultures) It's when (without warning) one becomes a grown up.

 

But you are implying the way I think will change. (You and your buddies clearly don't know already. Your pal fullauto thinks I believe my beliefs because my peers-which are non existant have whatever opinions. Hardly the truth) I don't plan on changing THAT that any time.

 

 

So.... for now you are still allowed to continue sniffing the aparent roses that

MUST be oozing from your lower colon, but be aware that like everyone else on here when you say something stupid, someone will let oyu know about it

 

It's only stupid because you said so. Face it. YOUR HEAD IS UP YOUR ASS.

[tizz]

KVH opens his sleep filled eyes..........yawn. Looks around the room colorfully decorated with a variety of posters, band paraphanalia, and other such items related to "teen individuality". " Wow I'm 25 years old. Mom! where's my double headed dildo?" Removes dildo from ass."nevermind, found it." Packs bowl of weed he stole from his mommy's drawer and begins the day. Grabs clothes from the floor and gives a quick sniff"Eh, not too bad" " Off to the mall to hang out with my (friends)". Takes car that is paid for by mommy to the local mall, parks close because walking is lame. Makes comments about all the fucked up mall fucks going into the trendy stores, and makes his way to (spencers) or any other store of equal value, cause they are the "cool stores". Buys some new shit, collars, fishnets, Dio T-shirts with the money that mommy gave him to clean his room. Hangs out with his shitheel friends (after they get out of school for the day) bitching about the fucked up capitolist blah blah blah......

 

 

Hey, I don't even know you but You opened up this mental picture and it just kinda grew from there......Hope your not one of those soft skinned little wannabe's that's gonna get all offended and try to "lash out " with some teen-age "got the world by the balls" wisdom and make a rectal pie out of yourself........

 

 

 

OMG I bow in the presence of greatness. I LOVED that!!!!!!!!

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

KVH opens his sleep filled eyes..........yawn. Looks around the room colorfully decorated with a variety of posters, band paraphanalia, and other such items related to "teen individuality". " Wow I'm 25 years old. Mom! where's my double headed dildo?" Removes dildo from ass."nevermind, found it." Packs bowl of weed he stole from his mommy's drawer and begins the day. Grabs clothes from the floor and gives a quick sniff"Eh, not too bad" " Off to the mall to hang out with my (friends)". Takes car that is paid for by mommy to the local mall, parks close because walking is lame. Makes comments about all the fucked up mall fucks going into the trendy stores, and makes his way to (spencers) or any other store of equal value, cause they are the "cool stores". Buys some new shit, collars, fishnets, Dio T-shirts with the money that mommy gave him to clean his room. Hangs out with his shitheel friends (after they get out of school for the day) bitching about the fucked up capitolist blah blah blah......

 

 

Hey, I don't even know you but You opened up this mental picture and it just kinda grew from there......Hope your not one of those soft skinned little wannabe's that's gonna get all offended and try to "lash out " with some teen-age "got the world by the balls" wisdom and make a rectal pie out of yourself........

 

 

 

Ahh, yes another person who thinks I'm still a teen. Pretty funny, but you made a few mistakes.

 

mommy's

mommy

bla bla bla

 

I don't live at home with my parents

 

Packs bowl of weed he stole from his mommy's drawer

I buy my own weed. My parents don't even smoke weed.

 

where's my double headed dildo?"

I don't have a "double headed dildo" I have no use for a dildo.

 

Buys some new shit, collars, fishnets, Dio T-shirts

I suppose you want me to run around naked

 

mall fucks going into the trendy stores, and makes his way to (spencers) or any other store of equal value, cause they are the "cool stores"

 

I don't remember the last time I bought anything from a mall. I buy most of my things from locally owned businesses. I do admit I used to buy shit from the mall, but then I decieded I didn't want to have possession of a pile of corporate garbage.

 

the money that mommy gave him to clean his room.

I have a different source of income. It's called a JOB.

 

(after they get out of school for the day)

I finished School over three years ago

[OmegaManiac]

Ahh, yes another person who thinks I'm still a teen. Pretty funny, but you made a few mistakes.

 

bla bla bla

 

 

I finished School over three years ago

Well then I guess there is always room for artistic license. Like I said I don't even know you, just making the "off the cuff" fill in the blanks dot to dot picture that was inspired by your pic. and the way you communicate on the threads. You gotta admitt, it would make a pretty funny movie. I still think you live with your folks though.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Well then I guess there is always room for artistic license. Like I said I don't even know you, just making the "off the cuff" fill in the blanks dot to dot picture that was inspired by your pic. and the way you communicate on the threads. You gotta admitt, it would make a pretty funny movie. I still think you live with your folks though.

 

 

Nope I don't live at home with my parents. I have a job that I go to every day at five in the morning, and I pay rent for my own apartment.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

if you want to predict the future of US politics read the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire it seems to fit like a glove

 

No arguement here.

[fullauto]

tizz... give up... he'll figure it out.... I had to

 

I was the same way he was when I was younger... He'll figure it out

[OmegaManiac]

Man I should know better by now then to waste my time constructing anything at all relevant to any kind of real question or answer or debate

[tizz]

OK so switch out "teen" for adolesent

[Mr X]

Nazis, or Communists?

 

 

 

Pissed off christians would swamp the two

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

...America is probably very close to being categorised as fascist, especially if the neo-cons manage to maintain power through puppet Presidents, but has not yet deteriorated into slaughtering its own through government invoked military operations, or draconian legislation.

 

But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction.

 

Welcome to the Forums old man.

 

I don't suppose you'd like to try and bolster this horseshit with some facts would you? Probably not, but please just give me a few brief answers to these questions if you could.

 

Please identify for me any "puppet" President of the United States and how you would define them as being a puppet?

 

Please identify for me as to how occupying the White House for 5 years so far qualifies as the "neo-cons maintaining power", especially after the 2 terms of the most popular Democratic President other than FDR just prior to Mr. Bush?

 

Please explain to me how you could possibly envision the possibility of the USA as having "deteriorated into slaughtering its own through government invoked military operations, or draconian legislation"?

 

Given your statements of "But its a lot closer than many Americans realise. The most disconcerting aspect is that it continues to drift in that direction.", it should be very easy for you to cite numerous examples of this, right? Please do.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hitler came to power on the backs of generations of soldiers who grew up in the trenches of WW I, he sprang from a Germany split up and controlled by disenfranchised soldiers who held and controlled various regions of the German country, much like the war-lords in various third world countries do now. WW I was really an extension of WW II, and what