Spleefman Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I'm not sure that people care all that much about bars. Sports bars are about as far down as I, personally, would care to nitpick. Some families eat there--I have. Mmm perogies. Anyway, so in general if you had to say 'smoking in public buildings is allowed' or 'disallowed' which one would you go with, Spleef? Well...if I had to choose between one or the other I would have to say Disallowed. There are no questions as to what second hand smoke can do. To argue the fact is indeed futile. I just know for instance here in Austin they just passed a new ordinence banning smoking in nightclubs and bars. I have a problem with that. It's a bar....it's like I have said before...if you don't want to hear preaching, don't go to a church! If you don't like smoke, you damn sure don't want to go to a bar. By the way SD...I love the warning lables on cigarettes up in Canada....I saw one pack....Cigarettes will kill you!!! They don't fuck around up there! Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/8bc962002bac637c66784161e5fa6d15.gif
Outlaw2747 Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Ever see their PSAs on domestic violence? One thing I like about Canada, they don't sugar coat shit. They tell you how the fuck it is. As far as smoking, as much as I oppose of it, the bars should be able to have smokers. The smokers gotta have a place to hang out. I agree with Spleef on that idea. But restaraunts...uhhh no. I prefer to enjoy my food than have someone's disgusting cancer cloud float towards me. Some places do not actually have a non-smokers area. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Spleefman Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Even when I smoked I did not do it in a resturant, and I didn't like people around me doing it. If I want smoke around my food I'll go to a Bar-B-Que joint! Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/8bc962002bac637c66784161e5fa6d15.gif
GrayGal Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Well...if I had to choose between one or the other I would have to say Disallowed. There are no questions as to what second hand smoke can do. To argue the fact is indeed futile. I just know for instance here in Austin they just passed a new ordinence banning smoking in nightclubs and bars. I have a problem with that. It's a bar....it's like I have said before...if you don't want to hear preaching, don't go to a church! If you don't like smoke, you damn sure don't want to go to a bar. By the way SD...I love the warning lables on cigarettes up in Canada....I saw one pack....Cigarettes will kill you!!! They don't fuck around up there! Hey Guy they have to "groovy" lables here to. Look on a pack of smokes and it will tell u hey ur sucking in these toxins and they may possibly kill you Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/bf579d790688a5b6ce4acac92ae0b3e3.jpg Gray~Gal ..... You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. ~Dave Barry "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." WC Fields. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Unknown There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance. ~Goethe
Silver_dragon87 Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Possibly kill you? Yeah, like being hit by a Mack truck doing 120 will POSSIBLY kill you. Quote Everyone pound your feet to this phenomenon. Now, let's make it loud, let's show 'em all how you move to this phenomenon. Roll! Open your soul, maybe lose control inside of this phenomenon. Just let yourself go and let everyone know you move to this phenomenon. Phenomenon --- Thousand Foot Krutches
ToriAllen Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Our labels are a bit more 'watered down' than most other countries. Kinda like our educational and judicial systems. Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Spleefman Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Our labels are a bit more 'watered down' than most other countries. Kinda like our educational and judicial systems. Good point. Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/8bc962002bac637c66784161e5fa6d15.gif
GrayGal Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 yeah but they are on there so.....and anyway if you dont know the risk when you start smoking you aint old enough to smoke then! Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/bf579d790688a5b6ce4acac92ae0b3e3.jpg Gray~Gal ..... You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. ~Dave Barry "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." WC Fields. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Unknown There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance. ~Goethe
ToriAllen Posted August 11, 2005 Posted August 11, 2005 yeah but they are on there so.....and anyway if you dont know the risk when you start smoking you aint old enough to smoke then! No one is arguing the fact that we have warning labels. Spleefman was commenting on the difference in how the warning is presented. There was never a suggestion that we lack the warning. There is the direct quote for you: By the way SD...I love the warning lables on cigarettes up in Canada....I saw one pack....Cigarettes will kill you!!! They don't fuck around up there! Do you understand now? Or would you rather continue arguing a moot point? Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 12, 2005 Posted August 12, 2005 I suggest that places that allow smoking be compelled to put warning signs in conspicuous places outside the premises at every entrance that second-hand smoke can kill you as well. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Spleefman Posted August 12, 2005 Posted August 12, 2005 Also you might want to put a sign out next to those that read: This alcohol shit isn't that great for you either! Where does the slippery slope end? Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/8bc962002bac637c66784161e5fa6d15.gif
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 12, 2005 Posted August 12, 2005 Also you might want to put a sign out next to those that read: This alcohol shit isn't that great for you either! Where does the slippery slope end? I see what you mean spleef, but isn't alcohol normally consumed in a liquid state? What I mean by that is my consumption of alcohol is not going to get into your blood stream by being in the same building as me. And as for warning lables on alcohol, I believe they are already there. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
TheJenn88 Posted August 15, 2005 Posted August 15, 2005 You are right, but the no-smoking laws are like many other laws which are imposed in order to "serve" the population in terms of health, etc. The concept, basically, is to protect the more "logical and safe" of the two, I guess. Which, in itself, is quite simple, but unfair to others, as you pointed out. I don't know where I'm going with this. It's 3:00am... Quote
Lethalfind Posted August 15, 2005 Posted August 15, 2005 I believe that the government needs to stay away from making laws that are meant to be "good for us". They are not the nagging Mother of its citizens. People should have the choice to do what they please. In Texas there are towns where you can't smoke in restaurants unless they have a seperate area for smokers with special ventilation so the smoke does not get to the non-smokers. That seems to make the most sense to me. By banning smoking altogether they are eating into the profits of the restaurant and bar if the business is not given an alternative. Having said that I have asthma, I literally can't breath if someone is smoking in an enclosed space, its not so bad if I am outside and stand a little away, upwind. The after effects can stay with me all day, require extra medication etc and I assume if I was not able to get away such as in a workplace I would end up with pneumonia again. My lungs fill with fluid pretty easily when they are irritated. I also cough like a smoker myself sometimes until I throw up. Needless to say I don't smoke and I avoid being around people who do smoke BUT I don't make a moral judgement about smokers. We all have our crutches. The government should stay out of things like this, they are not my babysitter. If I want to drink myself to death, smoke myself to death, smoke pot daily, and I don't affect others when I do it then they need to stay out of my business. 1 Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
sovikolp Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 This pisses me off too. What the fuck, most of the bars have ventilation system that takes care of the second hand smoking, and what's the point of a bar without a little smoke in the air? God damn, conservatives trying to live another fucking year or so of their pathetic life, making stupid fucking laws and lowering traffic speed, when they could of use thier time and money to come up with cure for cancer or something useful that we all could use. I mean, i understand about restraurants. I even sit in non-smoking section when I eat out. But in a bar? people are too drunk to even know what they're eating or drinking, what the hell is the point in making it non smoking? mine as well, ban liquor too out of bars. Quote
SlIgHtLyOpInIoNaTeD Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Smoking Rocks!! I've smoked for too long to have the fucking government come in and tell me I can't. How many smokers feel like going to a restaurant and eating a meal and getting full and then having to go outside to smoke that after dinner cig. Was it really so bad to just have a smoking section. This sounds like some descrimination to me. But you know you can't descrimination on Race, sex or religion in the business world, why should you be able to do that with smoking, all smoking is is a personal decision and that invades my right to freedom in the US. What is freedom now anyway?? Quote Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection. -Neal Boortz
michael77365 Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 As far as I am concerned smoking should be banned from all public venues, and they should continue to tax cigarettes higher and higher if you want to have a discussting habit pay for it. I go to bars and I am a non-smoker if all bars are non-smoking does that mean that smokers will not go to bars, I don't think so. Quote
Requiem Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 First of all, freedom is limited to you're ability to do harm to others, you cant fire off guns in a bar because you feel like it. Smoking causes health risks to others, period. How many studies of this do you need to see. Not-smoking doesn't cause damage to anyone. The government sided with the non-smokers for obvious reasons. I LOVE to smoke when I drink, but I think it is disgusting to sit in a bar that is a giant cloud of smoke. I am biased because I am born and raised in California, but here I dont see what the big fucking deal about going outside is all about. I actually like to get some fresh air. Quote
angie Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Yeah and do you have cold harsh winters? I don't mind going out in the summer, but come wintertime...it is rare that I go to a bar. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tonon Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 "peaches and pineapples" peaches and pineapples are so good peaches and pineapples dont taste like wood i would eat peaches and pineapples in a tree i would keep them all for me i have ate peaches and pineapples why debate peaches and pineapples peaches and pineapples Quote p1010226
GrayGal Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 First of all, freedom is limited to you're ability to do harm to others, you cant fire off guns in a bar because you feel like it. Smoking causes health risks to others, period. How many studies of this do you need to see. Not-smoking doesn't cause damage to anyone. The government sided with the non-smokers for obvious reasons. I LOVE to smoke when I drink, but I think it is disgusting to sit in a bar that is a giant cloud of smoke. I am biased because I am born and raised in California, but here I dont see what the big fucking deal about going outside is all about. I actually like to get some fresh air. well hey you cant win them all huh hippie...lol j/k You gonna drink, well there might be smoke..and well you just gotta sing I LOVE THIS BAR....ITs MY KIND OF PLACE...ok ok i am done for now. But anyways, i will agree NOW no smoking in restraunts are A-O-K but in a bar get a fucking clue.....it goes hand in hand. Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/bf579d790688a5b6ce4acac92ae0b3e3.jpg Gray~Gal ..... You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. ~Dave Barry "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." WC Fields. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Unknown There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance. ~Goethe
hugo Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 It should be the property owner who sets the smoking policy, not government. Just because something is open to the public does not mean the owner should have his property rights infringed upon. Let the free market work. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
SlIgHtLyOpInIoNaTeD Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 I'm with hugo on that last statement, The owners and managers should be the ones making the decision. As far as going outside, I'm in South Georgia, I don't know what kind of fresh air ya'll have wherver you happen to be, but it is FUCKING hot down here. Not just the 98 degrees but 100% or more of humidity makes it dreadful to go outside. Don' mind it once in a while, but all of the time is out of the question! Quote Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection. -Neal Boortz
RegisteredAndEducated Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 I think that I or anyone else should be able to smoke just about wherever we want to. There have been laws in place for a few years now in my area that forced restaurants to have separate ventilation for smoking v. non smoking sections. I though that we abolished discriminatory laws, 1 Quote Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
captainfrenchfry Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 honestly it's not the action of smoking that's a crime it's what you smoke and where Quote Bow Down To Your Lord And Master Foamy!!!!! http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/b06170ad5254f3e23341c5baf387a116.jpg
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