Revolt?

[Msixty]

As you all know, the United States government is always in conflict with itself over what is best for the nation.... but what a few of you might not realize (say if your blind deaf and dumb) is that behind the curtain of that conflict is another much more powerful 'war of interest' that would of course be the politicians fighting tooth and nail for power, money, and luxury, using American lives and freedoms like pawns in a game of chess. Sounds fairly familiar does it not? I believe we had a revolution against just such bullshit a few hundred years ago.

 

Just a short list of the things we are being subjected to... no that's the wrong words.. things we are PUTTING UP WITH, are...

 

Deals being made with the Mexican government to prosecute our border guards and get illegal aliens free passes into the country. For instance a bunch of Mexicans made for the border stole a suburban, ran from a traffic cop, tried to run a border patrol agent over, and when the agent fired at the tiers of the STOLEN suburban to save his life, a small fragment of a round deflected off of part of the car and cut a Mexicans lip while they were hiding in the back of the suburban. The Texas Rangers did an investigation and said the agent preformed his duties admirably, the Mexican government however called Washington, the border patrol agent is now serving a one and a half years in prison, the Mexicans have been given green cards.

 

The politicians in Washington are trying to pass a bill to set a troop withdraw date, the bill also limits spending on ammo and food for the troops, in effect, killing many of them when they run out of ammo in an ambush. But the politicians that are opposed can stop that right? WRONG!!!!! the FUCKING ASSHOLES that want this bill have included BILLIONS of dollars with the bill to fund the needs of the states that have senators that oppose the troop withdraw, in short, they are bribing the state senators with BILLIONS OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS, why? To get re-elected, because election is more important than tens of billions of your dollars and the lives of every American service member.

 

 

I say fuck this, the system has gone right to hell, we had a nice couple of hundred year run, but we went right back to the monarchy we so hated in the beginning. Reform time, we don't need anarchy in the streets, but we do need a few good men.... with scoped rifles. This can all be fixed, we all know the sheep that call themselves Americans will never band together in large enough numbers to stop this, and small protests will be silenced by the billions of dollars that the assholes and traitors in Washington hold sway over, so it's time to pull all the troops back to safe overseas locations, and systematically and violently replace the ones in Washington that so feel their own bank account is more important than my life, or your freedom. You know that gun that your buddy down the street owns? Our founding fathers gave them the right to own that gun for a reason, so that when the people up top decided that they should replace the presidential seal with a crown and scepter, we can bring them back to reality.

[Lethalfind]

Do you mean like how Bush LIED about WMDs in Iraq so he could go over there and have the last word on his Father's behalf with Saddam??

 

Do you mean how when Cheney and his croney's exposed a CIA opperative because she and her husband disagreed with Bush and Cheney on the war??

 

Is that what your talking about??

[Msixty]

Do you mean like how Bush LIED about WMDs in Iraq so he could go over there and have the last word on his Father's behalf with Saddam??

 

Do you mean how when Cheney and his croney's exposed a CIA opperative because she and her husband disagreed with Bush and Cheney on the war??

 

Is that what your talking about??

 

WMD's: He didn't lie, Saddam got them the fuck outta his country before we could find them, give it up already.

 

CIA: Yes and no, that was fucked up, and it's part of the problem, but i don't believe the vice president was directly to blame. Someone else had more to gain than him.

 

 

What disturbs me is this, you look at what i posted, and instead of being outraged, you fucking piss and moan about Bush and the WMD's, you are exactly the kind of useless parrot that is destroying our country.

[Lethalfind]

WMD's: He didn't lie, Saddam got them the fuck outta his country before we could find them, give it up already.

 

CIA: Yes and no, that was fucked up, and it's part of the problem, but i don't believe the vice president was directly to blame. Someone else had more to gain than him.

 

 

What disturbs me is this, you look at what i posted, and instead of being outraged, you fucking piss and moan about Bush and the WMD's, you are exactly the kind of useless parrot that is destroying our country.

 

Oh I'm outraged all right. The difference is that I see corruption on both sides, dirty Repubs AND dirty Dems...My political beliefs are not along either side alone...I don't accept any story line completely. The only reason Bush is todays liar is because he is the one in office.

 

Your apparent acceptance of the Republican party line just makes it easier for your party to lie to you and cheat you...

[Msixty]

Oh I'm outraged all right. The difference is that I see corruption on both sides, dirty Repubs AND dirty Dems...My political beliefs are not along either side alone...I don't accept any story line completely. The only reason Bush is todays liar is because he is the one in office.

 

Your apparent acceptance of the Republican party line just makes it easier for your party to lie to you and cheat you...

 

I'm an independent, I just see LESS corruption on the Republican side.

 

The asshole that made a deal with Mexico was a Bush appointee, I'm sure that Bush and the Republican party have enough skeletons of their own, I was just pissed that you were bringing up old news and I thought you were trying to distract from the topic at hand.

[phreakwars]

Lethal, distract from the topic at hand and drudge up old shit ?? NO WAY !! She's either outraged, or finds things interesting... where is the word PATHETIC... were all still waiting for her to get up to speed with GF 2007'.

 

It's reasons like that, that we have a private debate forum to keep out the idiots who just want to post to be seen...

 

But anyways.. I think what is actually going on, is an overthrow of the American dollar. By whom you might ask... the government of course.

 

To quote myself on another board so I don't have to retype a bunch of stuff that I typed a while back:

 

I really HATE partisan games, and I really hate the fact that if I choose to vote for one guy, I'm already labeled into a partisan group.

 

Do I have to shamefully admit I voted for Bob Dole ?? Or that I only voted for Kerry because I believe Bush will unknowingly start world war 3 with his retarded idealism ??

 

I mean, I see the whole situation like a school yard street fight. Name calling, trash talk, labeling, and finally, a strike to the face.

 

Well, what happens anytime a good ole' school yard argument turns to violence ??

 

You lose control, and your actions can become unreasonable... irrational... in the grown up world, these fights lead to unnecessary death.

 

And when your angry, and everyone else is angry, it is easy to convince everyone that someone else is an enemy too.

 

And then there are other things to factor in... what is happening to our economy..

 

People, do you not realize that the CREDIT CARD OF WAR that is being used, is the credit given to people who are now defaulting on their homes.. look it up if you think I'm crazy...

 

The economy was given a very false boost and people do not see it.

 

The government WANTS the American dollar to collapse... this I believe... who do I believe ??? I believe a TRUE CONSERVATIVE ...

 

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

 

As it goes with the illegal immigrants... your government doesn't REALLY want to do anything about them.

 

Don't think that a WAR that a President doesn't want to end has no other motives behind it.

 

Of course, the housing market crash that I talked about is an absolute reality.

 

I was of course scoffed at, so I followed up with:

 

I'll remember those words in a few years when your paying for your Big Mac with pesos like some of the border towns of the US are now doing.

 

What was that new currency that was planned ?? The Americo or something like that.

 

If our dollar collapsed, we could be easily pushed into a unified currency.

 

But for arguments sake, the one who started this, was CLINTON.

 

To me, it tells me, it doesn't matter which side you vote for, it's all about money.

 

The conspiracy that I have heard, is a plan to eliminate the middle class..

 

It really would not shock me to see packing houses in Mexico within about 10 years... NO MAS SCHUYLER !!

 

Workers working at $5 an hour instead of $12 or more saves alot back for import cost.

 

It happens right here in good ole' Nebraska too.

 

Eliminate the middle class by replacing them with lower class, and hope your in the bracket that puts you in the wealthy class.

 

This is not conspiracy to me, it is documented public knowledge.

 

Does the government need overthrown ?? Perhaps... or perhaps we will do as we have always done in the 20th century when it comes to being an American... Let our government tell us what is best.

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[snafu]

What you see is best and what I see is best might be two different things. That's why we vote people to run our lives. You can't have a nation without a goverment of some form.

 

NO THANK GOD FOR THE USA!

[phreakwars]

Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that too... Snafu TRULY needs to slow down the THC consumption.

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[Msixty]

I want to point out that i don't necessarily support a full on Revolution, but a few assassinations and quick replacements of corrupt government officials would be a god send.

 

and snaf, they don't get voted in to run our lives (that's what they end up doing, but it's not what they were MEANT to do) they are supposed to REPRESENT the people not RUN the people. When they start to act like kings and queens, just kill the fucker and get a new guy to take his place.

[snafu]

We live in an imperfect world. But our government is the best on the planet.

 

Thank god for the USA

[Msixty]

We live in an imperfect world. But our government is the best on the planet.

 

Thank god for the USA

 

Can't argue with that

 

well.... I could, but I'd be wrong.

[TooDrunkToFuck]

The US government isn't the best on the planet and revolting would be stupid. What needs to occur is there to be a truly democratic culture of people who research facts that aren't widely reported and understand that all the news you hear is pro-US propaganda, whether it's Democrat or Republican biased. When you hear about the crimes of other countries and various justifications for what's being done, do a frickin' google search and look up the full range of facts. If possible, look for reports from other countries as well. Don't rely on TV news for the majority of your info. Nonviolent protest in a truly democratic culture is more productive than revolt. That's how you get things like Gandhi's accomplishments, civil rights, women's rights, and end to "anti-sodomy" laws, etc.

[builder]

Here's a little snippet from another board I visit;

 

In a true democracy, you have two wolves, and a sheep, discussing what to have for dinner.

 

Politics is about platforms and policies. The four-year term is simply too long a period in this day of instantaneous decision-making. What happens in the three years after election? Very fucking little is what. It's the year before elections that the butt-sucking and arse-licking occurrs.

 

Phreak is right about the dollar crashing. China and Japan are onto it too.

 

That's what you get when your economy is paper-based. Assetts are real. Money is not. I hear North Korea prints a very convincing facsimile of US paper money, among others, so there is no way to control inflation.

 

The not-so-secret plan for the US is to incorporate Mexico and Canada, and introduce the Amero. And yeah, I know there's a lot more to it than that simple appraisal, but in a nutshell, that is what is coming for the US of A.

 

I wonder if you'll all be called Amerindians, or Mexamericans, or Canuckamexicans?

[hugo]

Here's a little snippet from another board I visit;

 

1) In a true democracy, you have two wolves, and a sheep, discussing what to have for dinner.

 

2) Phreak is right about the dollar crashing. China and Japan are onto it too.

 

That's what you get when your economy is paper-based. Assetts are real. Money is not. I hear North Korea prints a very convincing facsimile of US paper money, among others, so there is no way to control inflation.

 

 

1) That is why, in their great wisdom, our founding fathers founded a constitutional republic they greatly limited the powers of the federal government. The flaw, in the Constitution, was allowing states the power to enslave individuals. Took a civil war to remedy that. Sadly, since that war we have progressively replaced absolute state power over every one except the white male with federal power over everyone. The government that governs best governs least and somehow are fellow citizens must understand that.

 

2) All currencies are paper based. Trade deficits do not matter. Our debt to gdp ratio is not out of line with many other world economies. The Japanese and the Chinese are the last people who wish a dollar collapse. The effect of a shrinking dollar is actually beneficial to working Americans. A cheaper dollar makes American goods more competitive, thus more jobs. And we ain't had substantial inflation since 1982.

[Lethalfind]

Here's a little snippet from another board I visit;

 

In a true democracy, you have two wolves, and a sheep, discussing what to have for dinner.

 

Politics is about platforms and policies. The four-year term is simply too long a period in this day of instantaneous decision-making. What happens in the three years after election? Very fucking little is what. It's the year before elections that the butt-sucking and arse-licking occurrs.

 

Phreak is right about the dollar crashing. China and Japan are onto it too.

 

That's what you get when your economy is paper-based. Assetts are real. Money is not. I hear North Korea prints a very convincing facsimile of US paper money, among others, so there is no way to control inflation.

 

The not-so-secret plan for the US is to incorporate Mexico and Canada, and introduce the Amero. And yeah, I know there's a lot more to it than that simple appraisal, but in a nutshell, that is what is coming for the US of A.

 

I wonder if you'll all be called Amerindians, or Mexamericans, or Canuckamexicans?

 

This is why I like the system they have in the UK, at any time the parliament can vote no confidence and the Prime Minister is out of office.

 

I also think that allowing Senators and Representative to continue to serve until they are little more then a dead body in a suit is a problem.

 

The addition of a real third party would shake things up and make things less certain for the Dems and the Repubs...

[phreakwars]

I think what is strange, in a way, I somewhat agree with Hugo. But, I think, that if... and I mean IF.. the American Dollar collapsed, I think it would happen AFTER Americans are convinced that a unified currency is a GOOD thing... Yeah, it's radical... but would it REALLY be that bad ? I know I certainly would not form my "WELL ORGANIZED MILITIA" posse to overthrow my government for something like that, unless I was sure the change would hurt me.

 

And if you wanna talk about reasons people might have to be motivated to revolt, it would be because of the war in Iraq. While I am 100% against troops being in Iraq, I have more faith in the democracy that I live in, to say that ultimately, the majority will always rule.

 

But then how many MINORITIES does it take to start a revolution ?

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[builder]

Interesting blog regarding housing and recession.

 

http://nychousingbubble.blogspot.com/

[snafu]

We hold these truths to be self evident.....

 

 

[YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVArejzYOFk

[Anna Perenna]

I say fuck this, the system has gone right to hell, we had a nice couple of hundred year run, but we went right back to the monarchy we so hated in the beginning. Reform time, we don't need anarchy in the streets, but we do need a few good men.... with scoped rifles. This can all be fixed, we all know the sheep that call themselves Americans will never band together in large enough numbers to stop this, and small protests will be silenced by the billions of dollars that the assholes and traitors in Washington hold sway over, so it's time to pull all the troops back to safe overseas locations, and systematically and violently replace the ones in Washington that so feel their own bank account is more important than my life, or your freedom. You know that gun that your buddy down the street owns? Our founding fathers gave them the right to own that gun for a reason, so that when the people up top decided that they should replace the presidential seal with a crown and scepter, we can bring them back to reality.

 

American protesters who managed to bring about an end to the Vietnam war were very effective actually.

 

But what's happening over there is exactly what's happening over here - people who try and hold peaceful protests are painted as rioters or troublemakers, and treated very harshly by police. Protests are thwarted at every opportunity, making protests almost pointless, therefore making people less inclined to take part in one.

 

As a result, you hardly see people protesting anymore.

 

Your idea of going on a shooting spree isn't a good one, though. You might want to look at some other options that are still open to you, and consider one of those.

[snafu]

We hold these truths to be self evident.....

 

 

[YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVArejzYOFk[/YOUTUBE]

 

 

Yeah were the bad guys. Although all men are created equal, can we treat them that way? I mean do we submit? Or do we conquer?

 

I wanna know the remedy? To overthrow our corrupt government only to be seized by another in the processes? Can you have a revolt with out a cataclysmic outcome?

[Mack the Knife]

God bless the USA.

[snafu]

JOHNNY CASH

 

"Ragged Old Flag"

 

I walked through a county courthouse square

On a park bench, an old man was sittin' there.

I said, "Your old court house is kinda run down,

He said, "Naw, it'll do for our little town".

I said, "Your old flag pole is leaned a little bit,

And that's a ragged old flag you got hangin' on it".

He said, "Have a seat", and I sat down,

"Is this the first time you've been to our little town"

I said, "I think it is"

He said "I don't like to brag, but we're kinda proud of

That Ragged Old Flag

 

"You see, we got a little hole in that flag there,

When Washington took it across the Delaware.

and It got powder burned the night Francis Scott Key sat watching it,

writing "Say Can You See"

It got a rip in New Orleans, with Packingham & Jackson

tugging at its seams.

and It almost fell at the Alamo

beside the Texas flag,

But she waved on though.

She got cut with a sword at Chancellorsville,

And she got cut again at Shiloh Hill.

There was Robert E. Lee and Beauregard and Bragg,

And the south wind blew hard on

That Ragged Old Flag

 

"On Flanders Field in World War I,

She got a big hole from a Bertha Gun,

She turned blood red in World War II

She hung limp, and low, a time or two,

She was in Korea, Vietnam, She went where she was sent

by her Uncle Sam.

She waved from our ships upon the briny foam

and now they've about quit wavin' back here at home

in her own good land here She's been abused,

She's been burned, dishonored, denied an' refused,

And the government for which she stands

Has been scandalized throughout out the land.

And she's getting thread bare, and she's wearin' thin,

But she's in good shape, for the shape she's in.

Cause she's been through the fire before

and i believe she can take a whole lot more.

 

"So we raise her up every morning

And we bring her down slow every night,

We don't let her touch the ground

And we fold her up right.

On second thought

I do like to brag

Cause I'm mighty proud of

That Ragged Old Flag"

 

 

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[hugo]

In the spirit of federalism.

 

I've seen a lot of places

I've been around the world

I've seen some pretty faces

Been with some beautiful girls

But after all I've witnessed one thing still amazes me

Just like a miracle you have to see to believe

 

'Cause God blessed Texas with His own hand

Brought down angels from the promised land

Gave 'em a place where they could dance

If you wanna see heaven brother here's your chance

I've been sent to spread the message

God blessed Texas

 

First He lit sunshine

Then He made the waters deep

Then He gave us moonlight

For all the world to see

Well everybody knows that the Lord works in mysterious ways

He took a rest then on the very next day

 

God blessed Texas with His own hand

Brought down angels from the promised land

Gave 'em a place where they could dance

If you wanna see heaven brother here's your chance

I've been sent to spread the message

God blessed Texas

 

God blessed Texas with His own hand

Brought down angels from the promised land

Gave 'em a place where they could dance

If you wanna see heaven brother here's your chance

Well I've been sent to spread the message

God blessed Texas

 

Well I've been sent to spread the message

God blessed Texas

Well I've been sent to spread the message

Mmm...God blessed Texas

[snafu]

It by far is not a perfect government. We have created it though. Do you think a coup is the answer? Dose some one with enough will over enough people to topple the government exist? And while this coup is going on what do you think the rest of the world

[Msixty]

It by far is not a perfect government. We have created it though. Do you think a coup is the answer? Dose some one with enough will over enough people to topple the government exist? And while this coup is going on what do you think the rest of the world