EnterNetProphet Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I don't have any problem with what gay people do... As long as they are not criminals, they should be able to marrie, adopt, and all other things that we take as liberties as humans... What is the big deal? I'll tell ya, I would rather a familly with Two men, or Two females adopt a child rather than, an inner city mother plunk out her fifth child when there is no sign of ANY of there fathers around... hmmm Fullauto I had that flexible attitude as well...but when the queers(they jokingly refer themselves as such) try to introduce books meant for 7 upwards with gay themes to schools and libraries..I said Hell No!!! I think we have opened pandora's closet on this one(legislation wise) I guess I'm a homophobe now... Funny thing..we got this gay program on T.V called "outhouse" hahahaha that was self explanatory hmmm I wonder if sd is gonna roast me on this one? Quote
WHATEVER Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I don't think it's at all acceptable for gays to adopt/have children. The children cannot have normal lives because they have 2 dads or 2 moms in thier household. Thier bound to be corrupted in someway. I think, yes- adopt children in need - however - if your a gay couple I think it should'nt be allowed unless the couple can manage to raise the child to have a normal life - but I dont see how that is possible. Quote
tizz Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I don't think it's at all acceptable for gays to adopt/have children. The children cannot have normal lives because they have 2 dads or 2 moms in thier household. Thier bound to be corrupted in someway. I think, yes- adopt children in need - however - if your a gay couple I think it should'nt be allowed unless the couple can manage to raise the child to have a normal life - but I dont see how that is possible. Well now, when I was a kid it was the kids with single parents could not lead a normal life. Times change faster than gas prices. Is it more normal to grow up with zero stability and being neglected, or is it more normal to grow up with a support system to help you get through ALL of life's shit? I know a hell of a lot of people that came from terminally maried, heterosexual parents that have led anything but a normal or even nearly stable life. Fuck siciety, that is not our persoanl support system, it is what you recieve at home that matters. 1 Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
sixes Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Well that doesnt change the fact that someone is messed in the head and would do that to anyone.... just let them push further into a homosexuals background then.....If the chances are higher...then they/we need to set the bar higher on the individual I want to make sure we are on the same page here Vortex. Are you stateing we need to set the bar higher on the individuals here? How the hell are you going to do that? This I would really like to know. Quote .
skategreen Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I don't think it's at all acceptable for gays to adopt/have children. The children cannot have normal lives because they have 2 dads or 2 moms in thier household. Thier bound to be corrupted in someway. I think, yes- adopt children in need - however - if your a gay couple I think it should'nt be allowed unless the couple can manage to raise the child to have a normal life - but I dont see how that is possible. This makes no sense at all. "raise the child so that they go on to have a "normal life" and then we will let you adopt the child"... huh? a woman can have 6 kids from 6 fathers and it's not illegal. She can invite one guy in after another, switch boyfriends every other week, and still keep her kids. A woman can get married 9 times and have umpteen dozen step children, move her kids in and out of relationships ...The kids can have 8 different step fathers and 8 different step moms......and the kids are not taken away.... a parent can do drugs in front of their child, get busted, go to jail, get out, and get their kids back. a father can rob a bank, kill a guard, go to jail, get out, and go home, and he's still a father. and maybe a grandpa. a person can get drunk, drive a car, kill someone, go to jail, get out, and come home to the kids. A parent can come home every night and get shit faced and still not lose the kids. A person can bitch and moan racial/bias spew and raise their child in this manner, and they get away with it. A parent can berate the children, scream, yell, hit, belittle and swear at their children, and they don't lose the kids. A parent can raise their kids on fast food, all day TV, constant video games, and teach them that K-Mart is ART...and not lose their kids! None of the above is "ideal" or what we would wish for", yet it happens. Define Normal. explain how to legislate that "Normal". and you say, "gays shouldn't be able to adopt". Are you sure? 1 Quote The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings. - Buddha
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 I want to make sure we are on the same page here Vortex. Are you stateing we need to set the bar higher on the individuals here? How the hell are you going to do that? This I would really like to know. Groan.... By setting the standards of adopting higher for those eligible canditates. If they are gay then maybe more checks should be made... i hate kids and want them no where near me, they drive me insane.....so i will never want to adopt. nor was i making any sort of personal crusade to change things.... i only care about the actual hatred involved... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
ImWithStupid Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Well now, when I was a kid it was the kids with single parents could not lead a normal life. Times change faster than gas prices. Is it more normal to grow up with zero stability and being neglected, or is it more normal to grow up with a support system to help you get through ALL of life's shit? I know a hell of a lot of people that came from terminally maried, heterosexual parents that have led anything but a normal or even nearly stable life. Fuck siciety, that is not our persoanl support system, it is what you recieve at home that matters. Tizz, I was catching up on this thread and was going to say almost the exact same thing about it used to be traumatic for children in single parent homes. Also, whoever thinks that being in a non-homosexual household will magically make your life "normal" you are either in denial or a constant state of intoxication. I work in the legal system and have worked alot with social services, with court cases, with counselors, with the public in general and am usually good at reading through peoples fronts and bullshit. Let me say that from what I've observed in my experience (my vast personal and professional experience) "There is no such thing as a Functional Family". As for whether or not gays or lesbians should marry, If they pass the same background checks as heterosexual couples do, I say go for it. From what I've seen they can't do worse then the straight coulples. I also don't think the standards should be any higher for gay/lesbian couples as for hetero couples. Having different standards for adoption would be discriminatory and open up lines for abuse of the extra high standards to the point of making it impossible. Anyone remember the Jim Crow Laws, same thing here. 1 Quote
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Hell there were parents that would not let their kids play with me because I was the first to come from a broken home. And to think, their kids are the ones that introduced me to smoking, drinking and drugs (not to mention I was the only person I know, still am, who has never shoplifted in my life) Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Tizz, I was catching up on this thread and was going to say almost the exact same thing about it used to be traumatic for children in single parent homes. Also, whoever thinks that being in a non-homosexual household will magically make your life "normal" you are either in denial or a constant state of intoxication. I work in the legal system and have worked alot with social services, with court cases, with counselors, with the public in general and am usually good at reading through peoples fronts and bullshit. Let me say that from what I've observed in my experience (my vast personal and professional experience) "There is no such thing as a Functional Family". As for whether or not gays or lesbians should marry, If they pass the same background checks as heterosexual couples do, I say go for it. From what I've seen they can't do worse then the straight coulples. I also don't think the standards should be any higher for gay/lesbian couples as for hetero couples. Having different standards for adoption would be discriminatory and open up lines for abuse of the extra high standards to the point of making it impossible. Anyone remember the Jim Crow Laws, same thing here. Thank you for this post....thank you! I just figure anyone who has nothing to worry about shouldnt worry about getting any sort of background check.... Love is love...... its something christians and republicans need to learn! Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
Anna Perenna Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 i dont think they should but if they wanna have a kid with the oposite sex to have one it would be ok Because all co-ed parents are just stellar at their job. Frankly, I've never heard of ONE case where two gay parents have abused their child in any way. The same can't be said for the traditional example. Quote _______________________________________________________ I don't know how to put this, but ... I'm kind of a big deal. http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/da43a2f8a710897a421f74efa00eba9a.jpg I'm still here. I'm still a fool for the holy grail Not all gay men send me penis pictures. But no straight men do. And to date, no woman has sent me a picture of her vaginal canal.
WHATEVER Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Define Normal. explain how to legislate that "Normal". and you say, "gays shouldn't be able to adopt". Are you sure? Blah,Blah,Blah... Yeah...I'm pretty sure ...In MY opinion the whole gay thing is just twisted - and yes you do make a point with what you said but were talking about gays here. I stand firmly by the Adam and Eve lifestyle that God created - no child wants or needs Adam and Steve nor Eve and Eva Quote
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Last I heard the kids don't get to decide their parents. I would have rather had two eve's than the adam I got!! You cannot go by what a kid would want. That is just a STUPID argument for someone who can't come up with anythig better. It's one thing to state your own opinion but don't go for asuming the opinion of all children, OR assuming kids get a choice in teh matter to begin with Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
WHATEVER Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Last I heard the kids don't get to decide their parents. I would have rather had two eve's than the adam I got!! You cannot go by what a kid would want. That is just a STUPID argument for someone who can't come up with anythig better. It's one thing to state your own opinion but don't go for asuming the opinion of all children, OR assuming kids get a choice in teh matter to begin with Damn you people really like to get on my case. Obviously children don't get to decide on thier parents ...DUH! - I'm saying that the whole thing is not right - gays wanna get married, have children(one way or another) - it's sick - in my opinion - so don't go saying that my opinion is a stupid excuse or whatever. Ask any christian catholic and they will tell you the same thing!(agree). Just because you;- miss all knowing tizz thinks it's stupid and doesn't agree - doesn't mean shit to me..I'm stating my opinion - I could go on & on & on but in the shortest, simplest way - that's it! Quote
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Did I not say it was one thing if it is YOUR opinion, BUT..... If you are going to assume an opinion for all children in order to justify your own I WILL get on you to come up with something better. If it simply an opinion the just say so. I am perfectly aware of how the church views homosexuality, but this conversation was not about that. You are the one that chose to assume 1 that no child would want same sex parents, and 2 that children get a choice, simply to justify your own opinion. I just called you on it. I could really care less whether you agree with homosexual parents or not. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
fullauto Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 hmmm Fullauto I had that flexible attitude as well...but when the queers(they jokingly refer themselves as such) try to introduce books meant for 7 upwards with gay themes to schools and libraries..I said Hell No!!! I think we have opened pandora's closet on this one(legislation wise) I guess I'm a homophobe now... Funny thing..we got this gay program on T.V called "outhouse" hahahaha that was self explanatory hmmm I wonder if sd is gonna roast me on this one? that's is where I would draw the line... If you're gay, fine... you can still raise children, but don't try to fucking recruit them by introducing them to and glamourising the lifestyle! I don't think you're a homophobe... You don't seem like you have an abnormal FEAR of gays... your're just like me... You respect thier right to life, but don't want them intuding on yours.... seems alot more reasonable then "KILL THE FAGS" Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 My goodness I wonder how many people that have bitched about the my two daddis book have3 actually seen it. Whatever mentioned how a kid with same sex parents would not lead a normal life and be persecuted by thier peers. What this book aims to do is nothing more than allow children to see that although their families may be different we are all people and kids are kids regardless of who their parents are. The same has been done for bi-racial families, (either parents of two different races or adopted children of a different race) as well as children from different cultures. It does not in any way promote homosexuality. It simply states we are all people. So keep that one out of the discussion as it has no bearing on the adoption of children by same sex parents Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
angie Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 My goodness I wonder how many people that have bitched about the my two daddis book have3 actually seen it. Whatever mentioned how a kid with same sex parents would not lead a normal life and be persecuted by thier peers. What this book aims to do is nothing more than allow children to see that although their families may be different we are all people and kids are kids regardless of who their parents are. The same has been done for bi-racial families, (either parents of two different races or adopted children of a different race) as well as children from different cultures. It does not in any way promote homosexuality. It simply states we are all people. So keep that one out of the discussion as it has no bearing on the adoption of children by same sex parents Tizz, you read my mind!! Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 I happened to use the book as part of a presentation of teaching various cultural differences at the preschool level. I chose it because it presented the issue with innocence and stuck to tolerance as key and nothing else. I have seen so many people bitch about it promoting homosexuality only to find out they have never read the book for themselves and relied only on third party misrepresentations of it. If you READ it and still disagree with it's use that's another story. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Outlaw2747 Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 kids drive me nuts and the further away they are from me the better..... ...then again i have always wanted to own a machete I am not religious but I am gonna use it anyways...AMEN TO THAT! Oh and machetes are fun, I used one on a field of weeds. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif
Vortex Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Blah,Blah,Blah... Yeah...I'm pretty sure ...In MY opinion the whole gay thing is just twisted - and yes you do make a point with what you said but were talking about gays here. I stand firmly by the Adam and Eve lifestyle that God created - no child wants or needs Adam and Steve nor Eve and Eva Oh and what a wonderful story that is. Makes me proud to think we are all inbred on this earth....doesnt it! Christians, you cant live with them and you cant allah akbar them.... sigh 1 Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
WHATEVER Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Oh and what a wonderful story that is. Makes me proud to think we are all inbred on this earth....doesnt it! Christians, you cant live with them and you cant allah akbar them.... sigh Well you're gay - I would only expect you to disagree Quote
Vortex Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Well you're gay - I would only expect you to disagree least we are on the same page... but your straight i wouldnt expect you to understand the fact that i am gay, always have been (least since i became a sexual person..) and i wouldnt expect you to understand the hatred and bullshit i have to deal with just to be who i am.... que sera sera Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
snafu Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Hey there, people, I Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
snafu Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Hey there, people, I Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
RegisteredAndEducated Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 Hey there, people, I Quote Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right...
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