Let me see, let me see.

[Silver_dragon87]

What can I bring to light to start us off? BTW, if you notice in some posts a kinder, gentler, more thoughtful SD, that's what I actually am--when in a serious debate with serious debaters. I'd like to raise a question. I've been skimming the boards and skimming my mind, and a big issue today is drugs. A lot of people say many of them, even some of the more dangerous ones, should be legalized. For some drugs that don't do so much harm, i.e. pot, which is certainly less dangerous than tobacco (as far as I know), I can see how that wouldn't be too much of a big deal. And medicinal, well, prescribed drugs are far more dangerous than lil ol' pot, so I don't see what the problem is.

 

Well, I do, but I won't say it.

 

Anyway, but then when people get into these conversations, their arguement seems to be...'it costs too much money and effort and time, so why bother fighting it?' The same thing is often said of gun control as well. And it just got me to thinking--when did we give up? When did the good fight become too hard? You Americans are always going on about how proud you are of your military and so forth--but when it comes to things close to home, to things that require paperwork and police and the public's help, why is it suddenly too much work? I can certainly understand people wanting the money to fund their schools or hospitals, but that doesn't seem to be the reason. People just seem to be getting lazy.

 

Maybe I am too young to be that tired yet, but how can people just give up on things like that? What happened to 'never say die?' Especially when it matters the most. I'm just mulling it over, so post your thoughts here if you see fit.

[TheJenn88]

It's easier to give up and fight, and just blame the guys in charge, instead of taking charge of ourselves.

 

But hell, I'm only agreeing because if certain things weren't illegal, I'd be an idiot and out doing them.

 

//edit//OMG. my rep is "13337" - that's so close to being "1337"

gah. is computer geek.

[hugo]

Let me supply a quote

 

"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number is self-protection. The only purpose, for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant."

[SlIgHtLyOpInIoNaTeD]

Legal or illegal, that is the question??

 

It seems to me (or at least from the few friends I have that do different drugs) that the only one's that ever talk about drugs (whichever ones) being legal are the one's doing it because they do not want to get caught or get in trouble.

 

I for one stopped doing drugs a while back, it took all my money and I lost a lot of friends. I can't really hang out with people who do drugs because they're whole life is just "hey man let's get high". I have higher dreams and aspirations for life now.

 

I'm going to have to agree with NazzNegg about the personal choice bit, because that's about what it all boils down to. It's going to be personal choice mixed with a small amount of peer pressure that starts and keeps people on drugs.

 

I really think they should be leaglized to the extend of Marijuana. There are too many people who are in jail or so called "screwing up they're life" as the government puts it due to pot. If they are going to put people in jail, it should be the ones that committed true crime. As far as other drugs go, (crack, ex, cocaine, and any number man made drugs) those should remain illegal. I don't think pot should be leagalized to the extent of being able to buy it from the grocery store, but just not worried about like others.

 

This reminds me of the story I saw in the news about some guy in the military that took his f-whatever overseas and came back with like 200,000 ex pills and got caught. those people should rot in the bottom of the largest landfill in the country. All he did was attempt to fuck up that many more people in society.

 

SO like I said, leagalized pot to the extent of not persecuting for it, but leave everything else for the pigs to bust. I guess that's my 2 cents

[tizz]

You're a libertarian aren't ya Nazz

 

For starters we need to work on legitimising the possible uses for Weed hemp and it's bi products as well as teh possiblities for other drugs. We also need to take a look atthe tiers (Pot and Heroine in teh same tier? DUH!!!) Then there is creating prioroties. One can simply make things less of a prority. I just posted about Telluride Colorado voting to make the possesion of less than one once of pot fr personal use the powest priority for law enforcement (Pretty much they are not going to go after personal users anymore) People are too caught up inteh war on drugs and villianising anyone who uses. If the govt can be convinced even to create a legitimate study of the drugs, their uses and effects, maybe we could get somewhere, but then if they did legalize the stuff, what would happen to all that cash the govt collects to fight the war on drugs? It's just silly the whole thing

[builder]

You're a libertarian aren't ya Nazz

 

For starters we need to work on legitimising the possible uses for Weed hemp and it's bi products as well as teh possiblities for other drugs. We also need to take a look atthe tiers (Pot and Heroine in teh same tier? DUH!!!) Then there is creating prioroties. One can simply make things less of a prority. I just posted about Telluride Colorado voting to make the possesion of less than one once of pot fr personal use the powest priority for law enforcement (Pretty much they are not going to go after personal users anymore) People are too caught up inteh war on drugs and villianising anyone who uses. If the govt can be convinced even to create a legitimate study of the drugs, their uses and effects, maybe we could get somewhere, but then if they did legalize the stuff, what would happen to all that cash the govt collects to fight the war on drugs? It's just silly the whole thing

 

Interesting, tizz.

 

After having filled our prisons with the perpetrators of victimless crimes (pot smokers) both of our Territories (who get to make up the rules as they go) The ACT and the NT, have decriminalised pot to the point where you can grow no more than two plants and possess no more than 28 grams of pot. You still get fined for your efforts, if caught, but it's about the same fine for not wearing your seat belt when driving.

 

The laughable situation of incarcerating users of pot has filled our prisons to the point where serious crims, committing victim crimes, are getting off with light jail terms or "good behaviour" bonds.

 

Time to get some reality back in this surreal situation. Hemp was once grown broadacre in the US. Your money was made from it because it is a very resilient fibre, producing tough paper. DuPont chemicals funded a massive propaganda campaign through your DEA boss (then) Hoover from memory, to turn public opinion against Hemp.

 

http://www.onlinepot.org/reefermadness/images/RadioStarsA.jpg

 

The reason? Cotton replaced Hemp as the fibre of choice. Cotton requires extensive use of chemicals at all stages of growth and production. Hemp does not require any chemicals, and can be grown on any soil type.

 

Who supplies all of your Hemp requirements now (and right through the cold war)? That would be Russia. Funny old world, ain't it?

 

Autralia is swinging back to Hemp production, finally. You can smoke it, but it won't do anything for you.

[tizz]

I think the right to grow for use AND hemp was repealed in Alaska around 1998. Now fisherman (and the navy) have to buy the hemp ropes used on boats and ships from outside the US. THEY OUTSOURCED OUR HEMP FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!

[Silver_dragon87]

Hmm you've all raised some excellent points for me to mull over. I'm not sure that I actually have anything to say except thanks for the different perspectives.

[Mr X]

SD...since you raised the issue of pot(yawn) and it's legalization(I tend not to answer these threads but...)

 

If you(not you SD) want to smoke mary jane for personal recreation...just grow the damned things yourself ,screw the rights and wrongs,just puff puff give.

 

F the debate of legalization ,it's a dead end debate.

 

Just clue yourself on "how not to get caught".

 

For those who want pocket money

 

e.g watch your electricty use, especially when using light lamps...e-suppliers will report to the police if they notice an unusual amount of usage.(dummies run these lamps 24/7)...this is a dead give away for police when they run your file and add 2 and 2 together.(don't ask)

 

All the same...all tokers should just grow their own.

[Outlaw2747]

They are not gonna legalize the crap anytime soon. People might as well stop with the stupid complaining, the petitions, and the damn protests. Get over the damn plant anyways, do you think our gov't gives a fuck? I'm talking in realistic terms here. Besides, would it be worth as much if it was legal?

[Mr X]

nuff said

 

 

amen to that