So much for women's rights!

[fullauto]

Tizz... that is what I call 'knee jerk liberalism'... slightly more dangerous than nationalism... LOL

[tizz]

Very funny LOL

[sovikolp]

Obviously you guys are talking about womens rights, which some cultures don't believe, through confusionism.

[Mr X]

OK so we went to Iraq and we ended up being told it was for liberation ya? Well aparently that does not go for the women. As soon as Iraq got it's power back in govt, they stick sharia law on teh women. As it stands women will not be able to go out of the house without a man, get married without consent of a male family member, the marriage age for WOMEN is 9 ( I can understand arranged marriage but getting actually married this young is not only no longer necesary but dangerous) and in divorce the wome will have no rights or equality unless they had allready written it inot the contract marriage (which many women are not instructed to do if they know about it at all). OK this pisses me off. Not only do I not understand or agree with this but the women of Iraq are actually supporting this in high numbers? All I can do is think they are reacting out of fear! I understand fullly the desire to hold onto tradition and culture, but there has been so much negativity that has come out of this set up. Horror stories from women living under sharia law. As I see it, our whole invasion has done NOTHING for women except perhaps cause devistation as they watch their country get blown to to hell and watch their men and children die. Simple as that. It just disturbs me. Yes women have been given positions of power in govt, but what has that done?

 

I admit I may just be completely ignorant to the culture of it al (i admit it has been quite the challenge to attampt to understand fully the cultures of the middle east, but not from lack of trying) but this pisses me off

 

 

I think these women are just conditioned this way out of fear...but if they were given green cards in the west...freedom+financial independence and were free to marry anyone they wanted..Iraq would probably see a mass exodus of women.The men in Iraq can go and f themselves or each other.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Age of Consent at 9? Ok, maybe MRIH is right about these people being kidfuckers.

[tizz]

Age of Consent at 9? Ok, maybe MRIH is right about these people being kidfuckers.

 

 

Not age of concent but age of MARRAIGE

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

And we all know what goes hand in hand with marraige; Sex, kids, starting a family, etc.

 

Either the people there must have elected the Kidfucker party, or the government plain and simply doesn't have it's shit together in a REALLY bad way

 

If these people think a 9 year old is capable of motherhood, HOW IN THE FUCK DO THEY KNOW HOW TO RUN A FUCKING COUNTRY?!

[GrayGal]

I agree with KVH....no 9 yr old could raise a child nor themselves. That govt. is completely FUCKED UP! Hell Most 18 yr old in the US arent ready to be mothers...so what does that say.

[tizz]

Well, not to split hairs, but historically speaking, girls were considered ready to have children about six months after getting their you know what. You need to back up the statements with justification. Age alone is too easy to refute

[GrayGal]

Yeah i know we are capable of spitting out a kid after we start our rags but I am talking about raising one! Had nothing to do with if the could actually birth one.

[tizz]

Again, history will show that women have raised children from young ages (of course in most cases it is a situation of village raising the family) but it does happen. I mean most nine year olds are unable due to biology. But the body is designed to be able to concieve when it can for a reason

[Asmodai]

I do agree that the Sharia laws are pretty fucked up, from a modern western cultural standpoint, but I really don't think we can or should do anything about it.

 

I didn't even think it was a very good idea to try and get the Iraqis to set up a democratic government... and we can all see how well that worked out. If we did such a piss poor job changing their government, we shouldn't even TRY to change their culture.

 

I'm not surprised the women are mostly for this. It's the standard way of living, for them, and I don't doubt most of them have gotten comfortable with it. The concept of women and men deserving different political rights is as normal as "teenagers are selfish and stupid" and "Gay men can't throw" are here.

[tizz]

Welll I do not believe it was our place to create their govt either, but I also stand by the universal declaration of human rights. Puting sharia law into govt goes against this document and I only hope the UN stands by it's own words and denies them entry into the org.

[Asmodai]

That's true - if the UN doesn't want them doing it, they shouldn't let them in, but on a wider level, there isn't really anything one culture can do about the decisions of another. They're different - if they weren't they wouldn't be seperate cultures.

[tizz]

Are you aware what teh declaration of human rights is? Besides, it's not like ANYONE has bothered to enforce the document. I think they only wrote it to make themselves feel better. If they cared teh genocide in teh Sudan NEVER would have happened (especially since the UN pulled out to save it's own butt knowing full well what was about to happen) I actually DO care about the document myself.

[Asmodai]

I personally don't think any document can really set down a complete truth, so I don't really feel too strongly about it. I can see how people who follow the major religions can fall into trusting laws/documents/bills, though.

 

The UN is a nice idea, but when has it ever really done anything THAT important? I think it's going down the same road as the old League of Nations - people are just too selfish to work together on that grand a scale.

[tizz]

The document was set up to insure that ALL UN nations held themselves and eachother to a certain standard of human rites. Al nations of the UN have signed and agreed to it. This is teh kind of thing that Un nations are supposed to come together and fight for (IE Saddaams treatment of Quwait) It is the responsibility of every nation to uphold the ideals heald with the document. It is as imprtant to the world as the costitution is to the US

[Asmodai]

At least it's SUPPOSED to be as important to the world as the constitution is to the US. As far as I see it, the UN is dying. It's sad, and the universal human rights would be a nice idea if we could get it together that much, but we CAN'T. The only reason we made the UN, and the league of nations after WW1, was to try to prevent world war. It failed miserably the first time, and we almost made it this time - but I doubt it's gonna last much longer.

[tizz]

Even without te UN each nation has an obligation to uphold the ideals they signed on for

[Asmodai]

I feel this is going nowhere...

 

But no, in the simplest terms, each country has an obligation to do whatever the fuck they want. That's what they've been doing, UN or no. Genocide, gender-biased laws... they're going on everywhere, and the UN hasn't done anything about it. We're only caring because we have troops in there right now.