Plan B: The morning after pill

[tizz]

With the morning after pill, if you have a regular Gyno Dr, they will call it in to the pharmacy upon request and schedual a follow up visit. A clinic or hospital can also give it out based on an exam. That is still perscribed if from teh clinic or hospital.

[8_BALL]

So 8ball you disagree with the birth control pill? Or all forms of contraception? I am confused here

I do not believe in drugs or chemicals that prevents conception. I believe in abstinence, condoms, diaphragms, tied tubes, vasectomy, and the good ol' pull out method which hasnt worked yet for me.

[8_BALL]

It should be available without prescription. Sometimes. Depending on the circumstances. On one hand, if someone had a "slip", :o say it's a responsible people that were having sex and their condom broke/ripped or something, they should be able to handle it right then, just go to the hospital and take a pill, instead of waiting 3 months and having an abortion or something.

I disagree.

If the condom breaks then in my opinion you should be shit out of luck. Not to mention the fact that if the condom breaks, you should be able to feel the difference and immediatly pull out and replace the condom. Unless of course the lady has been with quite a few fellas and you cant feel a thing.

[tizz]

I do not believe in drugs or chemicals that prevents conception. I believe in abstinence, condoms, diaphragms, tied tubes, vasectomy, and the good ol' pull out method which hasnt worked yet for me.

 

 

WHY do you believe in one over the other? I mena vasectomey yes? Iam just curions as to the reasoning

[cynthiaa89]

Wow, that's half true. What if they're scared and just want to be 100% sure they're not going to get pregnant?

[8_BALL]

WHY do you believe in one over the other? I mena vasectomey yes? Iam just curions as to the reasoning

Reason for the medical procedures is like this: My wife and I have 4 children. We are very young people. We have enough kids and can't really afford another. These procedures are reversible so if there ever was a day that we wanted another child we could have that done.

On the other hand if we just stuck to the normal contraceptives like condoms or diaphragms, there is always that risk. Being the good parents that we are, we have morals and beliefs, and do not under any circumstances believe in abortion.

If I need to elaborate further please, let me know.

[tizz]

What I meant was why NOT the pill?

[8_BALL]

It's not 100% effective and if there is a pregnancy, there is a chance of health risks and birth defects.

Not only that but there is also human error in taking the pill. There are days that I forget to take my medicine. It happens. What do I do then.

The birth control pill isnt a great alternative.

[tizz]

OK I was just wondering

[phreakwars]

My wife had her tubes burnt off. Our last kid was a C-section, so we figured while they got her all ripped apart, might as well burn em off.

 

But before that, it was always condoms. Neither of us believe in using the pill because of the risks.

 

Fucks up your period sometimes, gives you cramps.

 

The MA pill though, if you look at it, is NOT really performing an abortion, it merely is preventing the sperm and egg from bonding chemically. Just because you are ovulating and a guy cums in you doesn't mean you'll ALWAYS get pregnant either. The egg dies naturally and is passed during menstruation, the same thing is happening in this situation too, the egg simply does not get fertilized. To call this a form of abortion is the same as calling a regular menstrual cycle a form of abortion.

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[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Reason for the medical procedures is like this: My wife and I have 4 children. We are very young people. We have enough kids and can't really afford another. These procedures are reversible so if there ever was a day that we wanted another child we could have that done.

On the other hand if we just stuck to the normal contraceptives like condoms or diaphragms, there is always that risk. Being the good parents that we are, we have morals and beliefs, and do not under any circumstances believe in abortion.

If I need to elaborate further please, let me know.

 

 

Hold on there Buckwheat!

 

It just so happens that I feel about abortion exactly like you do. I have 3 sons...(My youngest turned 9 the day before yesterday) I consider myself to have morals and beliefs as well.

 

BUT...

 

My morality with regard to abortion, and how I choose to exercise it, STOPS COLD at the end of my arm. It's NONE of my business what a woman wants to do with her OWN body. Not my body, her body. If I feel justified in controlling her body, why not just skip the chase and go straight back to slavery. Afterall, that would be the ultimate form of control?

[phreakwars]

I agree, a drug is a drug, whether it's heroin or aspirin and anything in between. If a woman wants to put the shit in her body, then that's her business. As for any damage it could do, then people have to be smart enough to know the risks. If they pop em like candy because they are big whores, then somehow get cancer or what the fuck ever it could do to your body, it was still ultimately THERE choice to do it.

 

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[tizz]

All true, but there is still the issue of the follow up visit that at this point is required with the pill to insure that it did in fact workand that there were no complications regarding med mixing. Over the counter is too easy. Too many peolple will not make themselves aware of the risk. Hell, most people I know have no clue that you should NOT take Tylenol after or before drinking because of teh possibility of severe liver damage. And that's just Tylenol. Hell you need a script for prenatal vitimins because of the levelsof iron and teh fact that unless you ARE carrying a child or trying to get prego, there is a risk of iron OD if you take it for too long

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The majority of women who will need this medicine will be poor and low income. This is a statistical fact.

 

So, let's just bar them from partaking because by God, you need to see a doctor and have a test or two. Let's just say, oh about $500 worth of bullshit. Here come the coathangers again.

 

The Pharmacist can best warn about interactions, and the results, well, that's self fulfilling.

[phreakwars]

I say over the counter, YES, but behind the cash register so that it can personally be handed to the person wanting to use it.

 

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[GrayGal]

OK i have alittle different view then my hubby. For one i NOW believe in birth control, i guess 4 kids later will make you think. I believe in the shot, pill, or whatever else that is pre-conception. But i DO NOT believe women should have access to the morning after pill because for one that is NOT birth control. That is to help prevent an accident that you arent ready for. Women would abuse the HELL out of it especially young girls. They would go have sex...maybe even with a condom but then go get that pill the next morning just in case. FUCK THAT. You should think ahead and get yourself fixed like the pill or shot which i have and then when you are ready go at it. But a pill like that should be given out from a physican just for the reason of abuse and misuses.

[angie]

All true, but there is still the issue of the follow up visit that at this point is required with the pill to insure that it did in fact workand that there were no complications regarding med mixing. Over the counter is too easy. Too many peolple will not make themselves aware of the risk. Hell, most people I know have no clue that you should NOT take Tylenol after or before drinking because of teh possibility of severe liver damage. And that's just Tylenol. Hell you need a script for prenatal vitimins because of the levelsof iron and teh fact that unless you ARE carrying a child or trying to get prego, there is a risk of iron OD if you take it for too long

 

Nope. They sell prenatal vitamins OTC. And they're the same thing as the script. I bought them the day I found out I was pregnant.

[tizz]

Well that MUST be new since I was pregos. I had to wuit taking them because the ONE my insurance was cracked and they wouldn't cover it, I could not afford the script myself, and there was only one that did not make me horribly ill. I begged samples off my OBGYN. I stand corected (it's been four years) My best friend is pregos and had to get a script so perhaps it is state to state at the moment

[angie]

Wow that's really weird. It's just a stinkin vitamin!

The ones I got OTC are actually better than the prescription, because they make me sick. But the OTC ones are made half the size so you have to take 2, so I can take them seperately. Seems to prevent the nausea.

[tizz]

The majority of women who will need this medicine will be poor and low income. This is a statistical fact.

 

So, let's just bar them from partaking because by God, you need to see a doctor and have a test or two. Let's just say, oh about $500 worth of bullshit. Here come the coathangers again.

 

The Pharmacist can best warn about interactions, and the results, well, that's self fulfilling.

 

 

Ever hear of Planned parenthood? I went to them for gyno visits and it cost me $10 on a sliding scale AND they can write perscriptions. They also provided %85 of my prenatal care. They accept anyone (based on the age requirements of the state) and offer the full psectrum of female medical care and will also arrange for DR's to see women for special cases on the same sliding scaale if need be.

[tizz]

Most are higher in iron to make up for what the kids sucks from your system, therefore couse pose a problem if taken when NOT prego. I was constantly either HORRIBLY constipated or the extreme other end when I took them. When my insurance decided not to carry the ones that did NOT make me sick I ended up not taking any. (I took regular over the counter one a day's when I couldn't get samples from my doctor). Another insurance I had considered them Non essential and wouldn't pay. THere were NO over the counter or my state insurance at the time would not have covered them at all to begin with. My kid came out FINE. (I have a high iron count to begin with)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ever hear of Planned parenthood? I went to them for gyno visits and it cost me $10 on a sliding scale AND they can write perscriptions. They also provided %85 of my prenatal care. They accept anyone (based on the age requirements of the state) and offer the full psectrum of female medical care and will also arrange for DR's to see women for special cases on the same sliding scaale if need be.

 

Sure. It's just another form of invasion of privacy placed upon the low income sector of the population and according to the young people I have spoken to about it, it is not the most pleasant experience and a great many of them do not go there because of it. You have to discuss your personal finances as well as other personal information, just in order to get medical care! This is BULLSHIT and no person with money would ever put up with such an invasion of privacy!

 

I cannot believe that you are all acting sanctimonious about this all the while justifying yourselves with such half-baked beliefs as "Women would abuse the HELL out of it especially young girls." and the like.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how people wish to INFLICT their personal beliefs upon the PERSON of another.

 

It's NONE of your business. I know...this is THE HARDEST concept to get into an American's head because it goes against our "Mrs. Kravitz" ridden society. (I apologize to the young people who may not get that reference. Mrs. Kravitz, was the next-door neighbor in the TV show Bewitched, who was so nosy and always into everybody else

[tizz]

Ya it sux that people WITH money don't have to deal with it but theyare also not going to get any breaks. Besides being important to follow up the pill with an exam, going to a clinic will also offer young and poor women an oprotunity to learn more about prevention, and risk. If an exam is used, they will also make sure they are either free of std's or that they get propper treatment (if oyuthink you got pregnant you also may have gotten a parting gift from your partner) Std's run rampant in poor comunities. You also may not know that asside from being a statistic for studies and census resources, you CAN keep ALL information anonymous in a planned parenthood clinic. If oyu are not there to seek insurance help you can give a false name (so much for the Kravitz reference there) For example, because pregnancy was considered a private affair in HS I used to go take a prego test at a clinic just to get the note for school. The school could not question it or tell my parents and you think I gave my real name? NOT!!! (boy they must have thought I was one hell of a slut) Nothing but benefit can come from requiring the DR to oversea this pill and do follow ups. You have yet to convince me that the fear of people knowing your business should superceed your health risks.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ya it sux that people WITH money don't have to deal with it but theyare also not going to get any breaks. Besides being important to follow up the pill with an exam, going to a clinic will also offer young and poor women an oprotunity to learn more about prevention, and risk. If an exam is used, they will also make sure they are either free of std's or that they get propper treatment (if oyuthink you got pregnant you also may have gotten a parting gift from your partner) Std's run rampant in poor comunities. You also may not know that asside from being a statistic for studies and census resources, you CAN keep ALL information anonymous in a planned parenthood clinic. If oyu are not there to seek insurance help you can give a false name (so much for the Kravitz reference there) For example, because pregnancy was considered a private affair in HS I used to go take a prego test at a clinic just to get the note for school. The school could not question it or tell my parents and you think I gave my real name? NOT!!! (boy they must have thought I was one hell of a slut) Nothing but benefit can come from requiring the DR to oversea this pill and do follow ups. You have yet to convince me that the fear of people knowing your business should superceed your health risks.

 

Tizz my dear...I respect you BUT your unyielding ability to rationalize your rampant desires to trample other people's liberties and rights to medical care and privacy in this circumstance, is as common as a penny.

 

Even though the immoral majority may feel otherwise, it is still wrong and no amount of "this benefit and that benefit" will ever convince me that you or anyone else is justified in inflicting your personal beliefs upon the personhood of another; especially in matters which have absolutely no direct effect upon you whatsoever!

 

This is my major complaint with society as a whole. Nobody knows when to keep quiet because it's none of their business.

[jokersarewild]

3 Now.

 

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