ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Actually, at the begining, there was only one family. And it would take generations to get to the point where the only people that weren't related to you weren't first or second cousins (since they all came form Adam and Eve. They were both written by Moses. The Old Testament verses set up our schedule, a life cycle if you will. It shows us how to create and maintain our work weeks, and shows the importance of that schedule. It is still important to keep a day of rest (it has been medically proven that we will live longer and healthier if we take a day off once a week from work,) but in the New Testament verses you shared, Jesus was purposely showing that caring for people is more important to him than keepng "The Law" that the Jewish leaders had set up to try to contol the people. Not a contridiction, just an advancement. Jesus doesn't say "Nevermind about that sabbath crap, we were just kidding about it." The Sabbath is still important, but not to the point that we neglect other peoples needs. So when the genesis was written there was only one family? You people come up with your own excuses and explanations.An advancement indeed. How the hell do you know what Jesus was showing?Does it say that in the bible?Stop bringing up your own explanations. Teaching and circumsizing people is not very important that they can't wait.I doubt that it was a life or death situation. If you people are gonna lie then there is no point. Dizzyme,I'm officially bored with it. Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 What is the difference between murder,and unjust killing? So God in the bible is entitled to order the slaughter of innocent people? I wonder if you would say the same if that verse was in the Quran.I doubt it! It seems a logical foregone conclusion that a God would have the ability to kill anyone that it chooses. Isn't that the power of a creator? But then again, it's all fairy tale beliefs to me anyway. What?! Ok first you say the phrase is ''you shall not murder'',then you say it is actually not to ''Unjustly kill''.Which is it? I think you're confused by it too. Go back and read CAREFULLY... "In fact, the Hebrew word used is specifically not "kill" for which there are 2 separate words, but rather "murder; unauthorized homicide", a completely different word which was used just for this reason." And if you don't care I think you should hold your tongue or go dance around with your fellow agnostics. I DON'T care about what you think God said or didn't say; it's a childish catfight anyway, however I DO care about CREDIBILITY and accurate quoting. I know...This is going to annoy the shit out of you because I intend to nail you on it whenever I see it. Make your points but don't twist words to do it. How petty... No one asked you to join in sirrah. Fuck off bitch! It's GF and it's a free country! Don't like it, go jump off a tall building and go see Allah! [/quote=ALLAH IS GARBAGE]I don't know hebrew.So of course I'll make a mistake.But why didn't these christians correct me? I've heard many christians say the commandment as ''Thou shall not kill''. You Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Where have you been? Master Jaffer and MRIH already did this long ago. The web is FULL of sites that show errors in the Koran. Just go look. It's not that hard. Do something for yourself for once. I'm sorry I don't search the web to find errors in the Quran.If there were errors I'd see them when I read the Quran everyday. There is NO accounting for mass misinformation I guess. I'm quite sure that you cannot even read the Koran in Arabic either. Oh, you post Arabic phrases here and in your avatar, but you really cannot read them can you? I read and write Arabic fluently. Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
eddo Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 So when the genesis was written there was only one family? You people come up with your own excuses and explanations.An advancement indeed. How the hell do you know what Jesus was showing?Does it say that in the bible?Stop bringing up your own explanations. Teaching and circumsizing people is not very important that they can't wait.I doubt that it was a life or death situation. If you people are gonna lie then there is no point. Dizzyme,I'm officially bored with it. Genesis wasn't written at the time it happened, it was written later, as a historical document covering the events of creation Jesus makes it clear by his actions that caring for the people is more important that following "the law" that was in place at the time ("the law" being over 600 rules that the Pharisees had contrued to keep people in line and them in control) Jesus was a Jew, so he knew about the law about keeping the sabbath holy, but he showed us (by example in John) that if someone is in need of help, then that is more important than keeping "the law." Ya know, a little historical research on your part would really help this discussion out. Maybe then you would have a clue about what you are bashing. Quote I'm trusted by more women.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Sorry but what distinction between them have I made? Do you even know what you're talking about? You've disregarded what your own Koran says. What Part of this DON'T you understand? We - believe - in - ... - the - revelation - and - that - given - to - Moses ... - We - make - no - difference - between - one - and - another - of - them. If you believe in the Koran, it says you must believe in the revelations given to Moses, which is what GENESIS, EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS and DUTERONOMY are. The TORAH. You're sitting here claiming is full of contradictions yet your own Koran says that "we" (Muslims) believe it! You obviously don't, therefore either you are lying or you must not be a real Muslim. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Another contradiction When Jesus summons the twelve disciples to send them out to proclaim the kingdom of God, he lists the things the disciples should not take with them right? Should the desciples take walking sticks or not? NO! Mathew 10:9-10 Do not take gold or silver or copper for your belts; no sack for the journey, or a second tunic, or sandals, or walking stick. The laborer deserves his keep. Luke 9:3 He said to them, "Take nothing for the journey,neither walking stick, nor sack, nor food, nor money, and let no one take a second tunic. YES! Mark 6:8 He instructed them to take nothing for the journey but a walking stick - no food, no sack, no money in their belts. Walking stick or no walking stick..hmmmm Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 If you believe in the Koran, it says you must believe in the revelations given to Moses, which is what GENESIS, EXODUS, LEVITICUS, NUMBERS and DUTERONOMY are. The TORAH. Yes,we believe in the Torah and the Gospel, and that they were both given to Moses and Jesus by God.But they were altered and changed,therefore they are no longer in their original context,hence why there are many contradictions.Then God sent down the Quran as His last word and vowed that it shall never be changed and it's hasen't changed.And it testifies the real Torah and Injeel(Gospel) and denounces the changes made to them by men.(i.e. Jesus is God). Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 2, 2005 Author Posted September 2, 2005 Another contradiction When Jesus summons the twelve disciples to send them out to proclaim the kingdom of God, he lists the things the disciples should not take with them right? Should the desciples take walking sticks or not? NO! Mathew 10:9-10 Do not take gold or silver or copper for your belts; no sack for the journey, or a second tunic, or sandals, or walking stick. The laborer deserves his keep. Luke 9:3 He said to them, "Take nothing for the journey,neither walking stick, nor sack, nor food, nor money, and let no one take a second tunic. YES! Mark 6:8 He instructed them to take nothing for the journey but a walking stick - no food, no sack, no money in their belts. Walking stick or no walking stick..hmmmm Matthew 10: 9-10 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Luke 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. Mark 6:8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: Ok AIG, The key is in the language of what Jesus said. Matthew used the Greek word ktaomai, which means "to procure, acquire" while Mark and Luke both used airo, meaning "to take." In other words, the disciples were not to acquire, or purchase, any special provisions for their journey. They were to depart with what they already had (and some undoubtedly already had walking sticks and sandals). The lack of preparation would demand utter dependence on the Lord. To surmise, Jesus told them to not prepare an any way for the journey, just to go and take what they already had in their possessions. AIG, I don't don't why you would take something like this so literaly. It is obvious when you think about, It's like taking your car to the mechanic and telling him to "fix it" , if he were to take a literal account of the term "fix it" he very well may completely overhaul your entire vehicle charging you hundreds of thousands of dollars when any sane individual knows that by "fix it" you mean get it road worthy again. One other thing you must remember when reading the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) is that Matthew, Luke and John were actual disciples of Jesus who lived and worked with Him, while Mark was not. Mark's testament is more likely a second-hand knowledge of the events that transpired. There are actually 2 other Gospels that did not make it passed the counsel of trent, The Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Barnabas. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 2, 2005 Posted September 2, 2005 Yes,we believe in the Torah and the Gospel, and that they were both given to Moses and Jesus by God.But they were altered and changed,therefore they are no longer in their original context,hence why there are many contradictions.Then God sent down the Quran as His last word and vowed that it shall never be changed and it's hasen't changed.And it testifies the real Torah and Injeel(Gospel) and denounces the changes made to them by men.(i.e. Jesus is God). I'd LOVE to hear how you can make the claim that the Koran hasn't changed, when just a few posts ago, I gave you 3 different translations all done by Arabic scholars! Do you actually mean to tell me that nothing has changed in the Koran at all? Do you even know how old the oldest surviving Koran is? I'll give you a hint... It's nowhere even close to as old as this... [attach=full]353[/attach] Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? This photo is of part of the book of Leviticus, written about 30 - 50 C.E.. Do you even know who wrote the Koran? Hadith tells us that Muhammad was illiterate and was unable to read or write. So of course Muhammad did not write Quran. Muslims claim that Muhammad dictated the whole Quran to his followers and many of them memorized the Quranic verses word by word and later they wrote it down. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure who wrote the Quran. After the death of Muhammad there was a time when Uthman the third Caliph of Islam ordered to burn all the copies of Quran except one. It was believed that there were variations in text and recitation practice of Quran at that time and so Uthman took this step. According to Quran and Hadith, Muhammad was the last prophet of Islam. So Uthman was not a prophet and we do not know whether he kept the valid and original Quran or destroyed it? We also do not know how he determined which one was the correct version of Quran? Muslims claim that Quran was directly given by Allah and Sheikh Ahmed Deedat the Muslim Scholar and other Muslims have claimed that Quran is the word of God because it was written in first person speech unlike Bible, where third person speech is used. But the very first chapter of Quran is written in the third person speech. Surah 1:1-7. "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. Show us the straight way, The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray." This is not the only one example but there are many Surahs which are written in third person speech. So if we take the word of Muslim Scholars, Quran is not the word of God. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
DizzyME Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Oh for crying out loud. I don't see how someone can say the bible is full of contradictions then turn around and quote from the Koran... It's the same old thing: stories. Think about how many religions are out there quoting from books trying to sound credible. Funny how you all think you are right... 1 Quote
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 I'd LOVE to hear how you can make the claim that the Koran hasn't changed, when just a few posts ago, I gave you 3 different translations all done by Arabic scholars! Do you actually mean to tell me that nothing has changed in the Koran at all? Do you even know how old the oldest surviving Koran is? I'll give you a hint... It's nowhere even close to as old as this... [attach=full]354[/attach] Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? This photo is of part of the book of Leviticus, written about 30 - 50 C.E.. Do you even know who wrote the Koran? Hadith tells us that Muhammad was illiterate and was unable to read or write. So of course Muhammad did not write Quran. Muslims claim that Muhammad dictated the whole Quran to his followers and many of them memorized the Quranic verses word by word and later they wrote it down. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure who wrote the Quran. After the death of Muhammad there was a time when Uthman the third Caliph of Islam ordered to burn all the copies of Quran except one. It was believed that there were variations in text and recitation practice of Quran at that time and so Uthman took this step. According to Quran and Hadith, Muhammad was the last prophet of Islam. So Uthman was not a prophet and we do not know whether he kept the valid and original Quran or destroyed it? We also do not know how he determined which one was the correct version of Quran? Muslims claim that Quran was directly given by Allah and Sheikh Ahmed Deedat the Muslim Scholar and other Muslims have claimed that Quran is the word of God because it was written in first person speech unlike Bible, where third person speech is used. But the very first chapter of Quran is written in the third person speech. Surah 1:1-7. "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. Show us the straight way, The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray." This is not the only one example but there are many Surahs which are written in third person speech. So if we take the word of Muslim Scholars, Quran is not the word of God. No-one is denying there are many interpretations in the Quran.But you must remember sir CES,the Quran was not sent down in an english text,but in arabic. Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 AIG, Let me cut to the chase... You claim that the Bible is full of errors or contradictions; that it is the writings of men, and therefore fallible. Yet, you claim that the Koran is perfect; that it is the word for word dictation of God himself, and is unchangeable and infallible. I say that this is simply not true. ALL religious books in ALL religions are the works of MEN, abeit men with somewhat good intentions, but men nevertheless. They are all fallible. The Koran is just another "holy" book, scribed by numerous unknown people, and was so changed thru the ages that the 3rd Caliphate BURNED all existing copies except the one he wanted to keep! How did he decide? Why was the "unalterable" word of God in need of protection from all of the altered versions? Can't you see your hypocrisy and self deceit in this one? I don't care if you want to be a Muslim. Good for you if it brings you happiness and causes you to be a better person! However, please don't preach it to me because I don't believe it. Furthermore, don't slam other religions because you are all operating on a premise of BLIND FAITH. You are all the same! None of you has any PROOF of what you claim. Nothing whatsoever! So quit the constant Holy Book thumping because you only look desperate... Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
phreakwars Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 3rd person speech ?? Well the Phreak says this: I myself would like to see ACTUAL PROOF that the Qur'an is the word of God him/her/itself. . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars
hugo Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 AIG, Furthermore, don't slam other religions because you are all operating on a premise of BLIND FAITH. You are all the same! None of you has any PROOF of what you claim. Nothing whatsoever! So quit the constant Holy Book thumping because you only look desperate... Ye of little faith. It is not your fault. Ye have yet to see the Great Goomba turn water into Shiner beer. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 3, 2005 Author Posted September 3, 2005 3rd person speech ?? Well the Phreak says this: I myself would like to see ACTUAL PROOF that the Qur'an is the word of God him/her/itself. . .The Koran is the word of Satan! If you need proof, try 9/11 Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 The Koran is the word of Satan! If you need proof, try 9/11 LMAO!!! Your book is the one that advises evil.Slay infants and non-virginal women,buy slaves from nations around you.And I've even found a new verse that shows what a hypocrite you are when you speak of oppressing women. 1 corinthians:11:3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ. Your bible fully claims that a husband is the head of his wife.Isn't this showing unequality?Ok if this doesn't proove my point I think we should move a couple of verses down. A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 7-8 Clearly these verses show that the men in christianity are viewed higher than women in front of God.And it says the woman is just the glory of man,while man is the glory of God. No wonder your women(the majority) are just there to please you.They have to mould themselves to become the ''image of your expectations''.You'll find a naked woman plastered everywhere advertising a product.The newspapers,magazines.EVERYWHERE!!! Why's that? This is what true oppression is. Allah clearly states in the Quran that men and women are equal in front of Him.No-one is higher than anyone. I'm sorry sweety,instead of screaming that Islam is evil,take a closer look and compare.9/11 was not the cause of religion,just like the Iraq war is not about religion.It's all about personal gain and greed. Something else I wanna show you that makes you MRIH the biggest hypocrite in this world. The previous contradiction I stated about the ''walking stick''.You gave the stupid explanation that Mark is not an apostle.So now what? You won't believe his part in the bible? Isn't this picking the parts you like and throwing away the rest? You accused me of not being a good muslim and said that I pick the parts I like from the Quran.But isn't that what you're doing when you disregard the sayings of Mark? Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Ye of little faith. It is not your fault. Ye have yet to see the Great Goomba turn water into Shiner beer. Maybe so...But YOU haven't seen the Great and Powerful CES turn beer into piss water! Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
GrayGal Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 LMAO!!! Your book is the one that advises evil.Slay infants and non-virginal women,buy slaves from nations around you.And I've even found a new verse that shows what a hypocrite you are when you speak of oppressing women. 1 corinthians:11:3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ. Your bible fully claims that a husband is the head of his wife.Isn't this showing unequality?Ok if this doesn't proove my point I think we should move a couple of verses down. A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 7-8 Clearly these verses show that the men in christianity are viewed higher than women in front of God.And it says the woman is just the glory of man,while man is the glory of God. No wonder your women(the majority) are just there to please you.They have to mould themselves to become the ''image of your expectations''.You'll find a naked woman plastered everywhere advertising a product.The newspapers,magazines.EVERYWHERE!!! Why's that? This is what true oppression is. Allah clearly states in the Quran that men and women are equal in front of Him.No-one is higher than anyone. I'm sorry sweety,instead of screaming that Islam is evil,take a closer look and compare.9/11 was not the cause of religion,just like the Iraq war is not about religion.It's all about personal gain and greed. Wow i like all of that...surprised too But i have been told muslims are allowed to have more then one wife and can beat them...whats that all about? Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/bf579d790688a5b6ce4acac92ae0b3e3.jpg Gray~Gal ..... You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. ~Dave Barry "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." WC Fields. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Unknown There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance. ~Goethe
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 3, 2005 Posted September 3, 2005 Wow i like all of that...surprised too But i have been told muslims are allowed to have more then one wife and can beat them...whats that all about? You need to understand that there are set limits in every aspect of Islam? If a woman is being faithless to her husband,she is clearly wrong right? So the husband has to first talk to her about it,if she doesn't listen he should warn her,if she still doesn't listen then he has the right to correct her.But death or beating her with any part of your body is not allowed.The Prophet(pbuh) said a small branch is the only option. If you ask any muslim woman,you'll find she has no problem with these conditions,because as a muslim woman the first requirement needed of you is to protect your chastity.That is why you'll find almost no muslim woman commiting adultary.I'm not saying that non of them do so,and if they do commit adultary they have automatically broken the oath they made to God by embracing Islam. About the number of wives a muslim man can have.It's not just a matter of him going out and marrying any number he likes.Again there is a limit to how many wives he can have and the conditions in which he gets more than one wife.First of all he can never marry more than one wife if he doesn't have the means of providing for them.Second,he can't marry more than one wife if he's not gonna treat them all equally.The limit is 4 wives.I have a cousin living in Norway that just married a man who already had 3 wives.At first even we were shocked,but she explained and told us she is very much happy with the arrangement and they live in harmony.He treats them all well and provides for each one equally. But as soon as the man begins to treat them unfairly,they have the right to be divorced from him. I'm not an expert on these type of question,but i've told you what little I know and I hope it helps you a little.And I hope you won't become of those that has a negative opinion immediately without understanding.I'm sure you're not anyway,cos you actually asked. Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 4, 2005 Author Posted September 4, 2005 LMAO!!! Your book is the one that advises evil.Slay infants and non-virginal women,buy slaves from nations around you.And I've even found a new verse that shows what a hypocrite you are when you speak of oppressing women.So when was the last time you even heard of this happening by Christians? When were Christians ever justifying these acts with these verses? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about... If this was indeed fundamental doctrine as you erroneously claim, don't you think it would be a bit more apparent? Like your mujahadeen suicide bombing everything that isn't nailed dowm? 1 corinthians:11:3 But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and God the head of Christ. Your bible fully claims that a husband is the head of his wife.Isn't this showing unequality?Ok if this doesn't proove my point I think we should move a couple of verses down.Not exactly, but it is open to interpretation... BUt I find it real funny coming from a muslim. Islam is the ultimate "guy" religion ever! A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 7-8 Clearly these verses show that the men in christianity are viewed higher than women in front of God.And it says the woman is just the glory of man,while man is the glory of God. No wonder your women(the majority) are just there to please you.They have to mould themselves to become the ''image of your expectations''.You'll find a naked woman plastered everywhere advertising a product.The newspapers,magazines.EVERYWHERE!!! Why's that? This is what true oppression is.It is clear that everyone is to humble themselves before God... and at anyrate doesn't the koran advise beating women because they are inherently evil? pig-shit 4:34 Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. Allah clearly states in the Quran that men and women are equal in front of Him.No-one is higher than anyone.I don't think so.... You don't know shit about pig-shit! I'm sorry sweety,instead of screaming that Islam is evil,take a closer look and compare.9/11 was not the cause of religion,just like the Iraq war is not about religion.It's all about personal gain and greed.Oh yeah, got anything else besides a blanket statement for proof, or are we to believe the conjecture of an idiot? Something else I wanna show you that makes you MRIH the biggest hypocrite in this world.This is gonna be a hoot. The previous contradiction I stated about the ''walking stick''.You gave the stupid explanation that Mark is not an apostle.That was not the explanation you illerate african! go back and read abot the greek words used in both verses. So now what? You won't believe his part in the bible? Isn't this picking the parts you like and throwing away the rest?Absolutely not! That was not meant for you but for any rational person who might happen across the discussion, for you suffice it to say that something was lost in the translation. You accused me of not being a good muslim and said that I pick the parts I like from the Quran.But isn't that what you're doing when you disregard the sayings of Mark?No, I commend you for being a "bad" muslim, because if you were a "good" muslim you'd be "striking off the heads" of everyone around you! Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 4, 2005 Posted September 4, 2005 Not exactly, but it is open to interpretation... BUt I find it real funny coming from a muslim. Islam is the ultimate "guy" religion ever! Oh my,how clueless you are.You really think that a woman would choose a religion that doesn't have anything in it for her? Islam shows that men and women are equal in front of God.It's your religion that says that men are the glory of God and women are the glory of men. ''Verily,the Muslim men and muslim women,the believing men and women,the men and women who are obedient(to Allah),the men and women who are truthful,the men and women who are patient,the men and women who are humble,the men and women who give Sadaqat(charity),the men and women who observe saum(fast),the men and women who guard their chastity and men and women who remember Allah much with their hearts and tongues.Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward.''33:35 Sweety,in the Quran Allah says he will reward both the men and the women.So I really think you should think twice before you speak. It is clear that everyone is to humble themselves before God... and at anyrate doesn't the koran advise beating women because they are inherently evil? No what was clear in that verse is that men are the glory of God and women are the glory of man.How unfair is that?I would think everyone would want to be the glory of God.Is it not true that women are viewed as evil in your religion because of ''Eve's sin''? Don't turn things around. Oh plus I'm sorry I didn't add this verse from your bible: 1 Corinthians:11:9 nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; So women are created just for men.How very sweet. Oh yeah, got anything else besides a blanket statement for proof, or are we to believe the conjecture of an idiot? 9/11 was used to scare american citizens into agreeing with Bush to attack innocent countries.Your government is fucked up and are just a bunch of liars. It's just a shame you're blind to it. That was not the explanation you illerate african! Yes,I'm very ''Illerate'' Mr MRIH. Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
GrayGal Posted September 4, 2005 Posted September 4, 2005 You need to understand that there are set limits in every aspect of Islam? If a woman is being faithless to her husband,she is clearly wrong right? So the husband has to first talk to her about it,if she doesn't listen he should warn her,if she still doesn't listen then he has the right to correct her.But death or beating her with any part of your body is not allowed.The Prophet(pbuh) said a small branch is the only option. If you ask any muslim woman,you'll find she has no problem with these conditions,because as a muslim woman the first requirement needed of you is to protect your chastity.That is why you'll find almost no muslim woman commiting adultary.I'm not saying that non of them do so,and if they do commit adultary they have automatically broken the oath they made to God by embracing Islam. About the number of wives a muslim man can have.It's not just a matter of him going out and marrying any number he likes.Again there is a limit to how many wives he can have and the conditions in which he gets more than one wife.First of all he can never marry more than one wife if he doesn't have the means of providing for them.Second,he can't marry more than one wife if he's not gonna treat them all equally.The limit is 4 wives.I have a cousin living in Norway that just married a man who already had 3 wives.At first even we were shocked,but she explained and told us she is very much happy with the arrangement and they live in harmony.He treats them all well and provides for each one equally. But as soon as the man begins to treat them unfairly,they have the right to be divorced from him. I'm not an expert on these type of question,but i've told you what little I know and I hope it helps you a little.And I hope you won't become of those that has a negative opinion immediately without understanding.I'm sure you're not anyway,cos you actually asked. Wow...i guess muslim women dont care about sharing....I PERSONALLY AINT SHARING. I would be all over a bitch thinking she is as important to my man as i am. I couldnt do it. Are you willing to share your husband after you are married one day? Quote http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/bf579d790688a5b6ce4acac92ae0b3e3.jpg Gray~Gal ..... You can only be young once. But you can always be immature. ~Dave Barry "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." WC Fields. Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. Unknown There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance. ~Goethe
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 4, 2005 Posted September 4, 2005 Wow...i guess muslim women dont care about sharing....I PERSONALLY AINT SHARING. I would be all over a bitch thinking she is as important to my man as i am. I couldnt do it. Are you willing to share your husband after you are married one day? Personally NO,but most women are stronger than me i guess.lol Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted September 4, 2005 Author Posted September 4, 2005 Oh my,how clueless you are.You really think that a woman would choose a religion that doesn't have anything in it for her? Islam shows that men and women are equal in front of God.It's your religion that says that men are the glory of God and women are the glory of men. ''Verily,the Muslim men and muslim women,the believing men and women,the men and women who are obedient(to Allah),the men and women who are truthful,the men and women who are patient,the men and women who are humble,the men and women who give Sadaqat(charity),the men and women who observe saum(fast),the men and women who guard their chastity and men and women who remember Allah much with their hearts and tongues.Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward.''33:35Only after they get the crap beat out of'em... pig-shit 4:34 Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great No what was clear in that verse is that men are the glory of God and women are the glory of man.How unfair is that?I would think everyone would want to be the glory of God.Is it not true that women are viewed as evil in your religion because of ''Eve's sin''? Don't turn things around.Look who's "turning things around" why it's a damn pig-shit worshipper, surprise, surprise. 9/11 was used to scare american citizens into agreeing with Bush to attack innocent countries.Your government is fucked up and are just a bunch of liars. It's just a shame you're blind to it.Enlighten me, oh wise one... with some PROOF!!!!! Do you even know how to counter a point? Just wondering.... Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth.
ALLAH IS GREAT Posted September 5, 2005 Posted September 5, 2005 Enlighten me, oh wise one... with some PROOF!!!!! I don't have proof but I know that governments are just a bunch of liars. And don't forget they control the media.They'll make you believe what they want you to believe.I'm just saying I wouldn't be suprised if there was something sinister behind the attacks.Your government might have played a big role in it.(just what I think). I found another interesting contradiction: Apparently after Jesus ''died'',he was resurrected right? So what I wanna know is who the women told about the empty tomb? Mark 16:8 says:''Then they went out and fled from the tomb, seized with trembling and bewilderment. They said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.'' So Mark thinks they didn't tell anyone cos they were afraid.Ok then Mathew 28:8 says:''Then they went away quickly from the tomb, fearful yet overjoyed, and ran to announce this to his disciples'' Oh will ya look at that.Mr Mathew thinks they ran from the tomb and told his disciples. Oh but there is more. Luke 24:9 says:''Then they returned from the tomb and announced all these things to the eleven and to all the others. '' So Mark says they said nothing to no one,Mathew said they told his disciples and Luke says they told all the others and ''the eleven''.Who's the eleven? Now let's see what magic Sir John has for us in 20:18:''Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord," and what he told her.'' Now I thought there was more than one woman who saw this tomb according to Mark,Mathew & Luke,but John says that one woman announces it to the others. Now MRIH,.How come each one of these guys says something different? Quote 'They intend to put out the Light of Allah with their mouths.But Allah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate it' ''Oh Allah!Make the best of my deeds my last deeds, and make the best of my life my last moments, and make the best day of my life the Day I meet You!''
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