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Spencer's View of Government

 

Herbert Spencer believed that the government should have only two purposes. One was to defend the nation against foreign invasion. The other was to protect citizens and their property from criminals. Any other government action was "over-legislation."

 

Spencer opposed government aid to the poor. He said that it encouraged laziness and vice. He objected to a public school system since it forced taxpayers to pay for the education of other people's children. He opposed laws regulating housing, sanitation, and health conditions because they interfered with the rights of property owners.

 

Spencer said that diseases "are among the penalties Nature has attached to ignorance and imbecility, and should not, therefore, be tampered with." He even faulted private organizations like the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children because they encouraged legislation.

 

In the economic arena, Spencer advocated a laissez-faire system that tolerated no government regulation of private enterprise. He considered most taxation as confiscation of wealth and undermining the natural evolution of society.

 

Spencer assumed that business competition would prevent monopolies and would flourish without tariffs or other government restrictions on free trade. He also condemned wars and colonialism, even British imperialism. This was ironic, because many of his ideas were used to justify colonialism. But colonialism created vast government bureaucracies. Spencer favored as little government as possible.

 

Spencer argued against legislation that regulated working conditions, maximum hours, and minimum wages. He said that they interfered with the property rights of employers. He believed labor unions took away the freedom of individual workers to negotiate with employers.

 

Thus, Spencer thought government should be little more than a referee in the highly competitive "survival of the fittest." Spencer's theory of social evolution, called Social Darwinism by others, helped provided intellectual support for laissez-faire capitalism in America.

 

Let the bums starve. Don't need 'em in the gene pool.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

This fucking idiot should be shot for thinking a corporate police state would work.

 

No sanitation regulations? What does this fucker want? To poison the fucking Earth?

 

It's dipshits like these that want to push back to being fucking animals. Seriously, if you want to back to this, GO FUCKING LIVE IN THE BUSH

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Spencer is a genius! I agree 99.99%... what a concept!

[Crazywumbat]

This fucking idiot should be shot for thinking a corporate police state would work.

 

No sanitation regulations? What does this fucker want? To poison the fucking Earth?

 

It's dipshits like these that want to push back to being fucking animals. Seriously, if you want to back to this, GO FUCKING LIVE IN THE BUSH

 

Firstly, we are fucking animals. No matter how much we advance, that will always be a fact.

 

Secondly, animals would never do any such thing as this. A more appropriate analogy would be: It's dipshits like these that want to throw away and semblance of worth left in the human race and push back to being a detrimental parisite on the planet, ourselves, and every other species around us.

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The dumbasses in this world are the people too stupid to realize that charity does more harm than good. It destroys human inititive and creates dependency. The robber barons created jobs and wealth. Mother Teresa created a bunch of lazy bums.

[fullauto]

Brilliant.... I think I just found my platform for election... KV is of course exempt

[hugo]

What few people know is that Darwin borrowed the term "survival of the fittest" from Spencer.

[TWorld PoliceA]

This fucking idiot should be shot for thinking a corporate police state would work.

 

And you should be ashamed (not shot though, im not an evil Communist) for thinking a Communist state would work.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

And you should be ashamed (not shot though, im not an evil Communist) for thinking a Communist state would work.

 

 

Oh yea and "Land of starve and kill everyone until we're reduced back to being savages" will work so much better

[Silver_dragon87]

While I completely disagree with this Spencer guy, and agree entirely with CW and Komrade, everyone has their own opinion of what would make the world a better place. Some people think you need to do everything you can to help people and the planet, which is where I tend to stand, and some believe that people need to be in competition to bring out their best. Yes, competing DOES make people stronger and so on, it doesn't benefit society at large. What this Spencer guy describes is.....chaos. It's malicious and disorderly and.....a little stupid, but of course that's from where I'm standing. Anyway, just popping in to point out that everyone's utopia is different, and at least his views are clear. He's not afraid to say what he thinks would make things better for everyone--who, he says, deserves to be here--so that's something.

 

Another something I like is that at least if people are starving and dying, it's not pretty, but the population IS controlled as it should be. It's a system that isn't civilized or......humane, but it IS sort of the way things are supposed to be. We ARE just animals, and animals compete or they die. At least we wouldn't be overrunning the planet if this were how things were.

 

Of course, we'd all be doing whatever we wanted and would be polluting and destroying it even more than we are now, so that's a down side. >_<

[TWorld PoliceA]

Oh yea and "Land of starve and kill everyone until we're reduced back to being savages" will work so much better

 

What you just said describes every Communist dictator the World has ever seen.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Another person badmouths communism

 

1. there is no such thing as a "communist" country. The ones you are thinking of were ran by socio-fascist dictators. Yes they attempted communism but were perverted into fascist states.

 

2. Actually "kill and starve everyone until reduced to savages" is a description if this spencer asshole's libertarian survival of the fittest malarky. That sort of shit is everything that Communism stands against.

[TWorld PoliceA]

Another person badmouths communism

 

1. there is no such thing as a "communist" country. The ones you are thinking of were ran by socio-fascist dictators. Yes they attempted communism but were perverted into fascist states.

 

2. Actually "kill and starve everyone until reduced to savages" is a description if this spencer asshole's libertarian survival of the fittest malarky. That sort of shit is everything that Communism stands against.

 

Im gonna ask you something and I want a yes or a no...

 

Would you like to be in a so called "real Communist" Country and George W. Bush was the leader of it for life?

 

A socialist/Communist Country gives Government complete control and power over EVERYTHING, and it ALWAYS becomes corrupt and leads to poverty and genocide. People will always abuse their power and the less power they have to abuse the better. I admit, if I had that kind of power I would abuse it too and probably kill all the Liberals.

 

Im a Libertarian but I do vote Republican most of the time because I feel its too important not to.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

That is a trick question.

 

GEORGE BUSH ISN'T COMMUNIST.

 

And also REAL communist countries DON'T have any leader. They're a communal society ran by the people. Hence the term "COMMUN"ist. Yea I know it won't be working on a national scale anytime soon since it requires people to have a sense of selflessness to look out and help eachother rather than a lust for money and material posessions. But it's the only utopian theory out there so I'M STICKING TO IT.

[hugo]

That is a trick question.

 

GEORGE BUSH ISN'T COMMUNIST.

 

And also REAL communist countries DON'T have any leader. They're a communal society ran by the people. Hence the term "COMMUN"ist. Yea I know it won't be working on a national scale anytime soon since it requires people to have a sense of selflessness to look out and help eachother rather than a lust for money and material posessions. But it's the only utopian theory out there so I'M STICKING TO IT.

 

Both communism and a total free market philosophy are utopian theories. The difference is communism, whenever it is attempted at a national level, takes the route of increasing governmental power which inevitably leads to tolitarianism. Those who attempt to let the free market rule inevitably increase individual liberty and freedom and increase prosperity. A rising tide does raise all boats. That is why the typical minimum wage worker in the US has A/C, three meals a day and a color TV.

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Both communism and a total free market philosophy are utopian theories. The difference is communism, whenever it is attempted at a national level, takes the route of increasing governmental power which inevitably leads to tolitarianism. Those who attempt to let the free market rule inevitably increase individual liberty and freedom and increase prosperity. A rising tide does raise all boats. That is why the typical minimum wage worker in the US has A/C, three meals a day and a color TV.

 

If I may chime in here Hugo? I don't think most people here are even old enough to remember communism. Do you?

[Outlaw2747]

If I may chime in here Hugo? I don't think most people here are even old enough to remember communism. Do you?

 

Communism still exists in North Korea.

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Communism still exists in North Korea.

 

Then you know where you will be in a few years eh Outlaw? Shoot to kill! lmao