Dating younger people

[angie]

Things do change with the times.

I believe the reason it was socially acceptable at one time, and in some cultures still, is the life expectancy factor. Over the last 100 years, life expectancy has increased dramatically. Thus decreasing the need for young people to begin breeding at such an early age.

http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/human_biology/v075/75.1demerath.html&session=12054522

Between 1800 and 2000, life expectancy at birth rose from about 30 years to a global average of 67 years, and to more than 75 years in favored countries. This dramatic change, called the health transition, fundamentally altered patterns of human survivorship and cause of death.

 

As these changes happen, culture changes, and what is socially acceptable. Perhaps that contributes to the reason that is has become socially unacceptable to be sexually active in early teen years. Not to mention the fact that they aren't doing it because they are married or starting a family, simply for recreation.

[sixes]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

I use to think it made a difference. As there are alot more men sex offenders.

[Outlaw2747]

I use to think it made a difference. As there are alot more men sex offenders.

 

True but there is NO reason that females should be exempt from this rule. The law is the law. If the age is illegal, it is illegal. No matter the sex or the occurence of sex offenders. If this just applied to males, it would become a sexual discrimination issue and we surely do not need that.

[sixes]

True but there is NO reason that females should be exempt from this rule. The law is the law. If the age is illegal, it is illegal. No matter the sex or the occurence of sex offenders. If this just applied to males, it would become a sexual discrimination issue and we surely do not need that.

 

With all due respect Outlaw. Tell that to congress man. The "Bill" that you speak of has been overturned more times than I can count. I'm not taking sides Outlaw. Just listing facts.

[skategreen]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

In actual fact, I did get your point, and I'm not in disagreement with it at all. I do think we're remiss in our parenting if we don't drive home this point of responsibility and how consequences change at the age of 18 - kids can be so very insular and the big bad world of consequences can come as a shock..

 

I'm not in favor of 18 year olds having sex with below age people, and in fact, I'm not one to advocate teen sex. (many hours of candid talks with my daughter will attest to this!) .. however...

 

reading the thread...it simply struck me - how society had changed on this point. It's changed in MY lifetime - and I proceed to muse as to when that occurred - then...musing further - one pulls in other changes along this line - eg. - how fricken careful teachers have to be to avoid being accused of abuse ... and came up with - where does this lead, where will it end as trend, and is that fully valid? Responsibility is valid, .... but we now have isolated cases where little Johnny, age 5, got kicked out of school for kissing a cute gal in the drinking fountain line.

 

"In 1996, the North Carolina school district suspended a 6-year-old boy for kissing a 6-year-old girl on the cheek. Despite the publicity of the case, the school board stood by its handling of the matter and other school districts have followed their lead. In the past few months alone, an eight-year-old Mississippi boy was suspended for kissing a girl during a game of

[TerroristHater]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

 

In some states, mostly the south and other more barren out of the way states(Hawaii & Alaska), it is not considered illegal for some who is 18 to date someone who isn't yet 18. The theory is that if the two subjects had a releationship, BEFORE one of them turned 18 then there is not crime being committed. Hawaii has changed alot in the last decade and I do not know if they still follow this logic; however, I can tell you from experience that it was a common practice during the early 80s.

 

Hawaii's law (at that time) actually allowed for a sexual relationship provided the partys were under 18 as long as they were within 7 years of eachother age wise.

 

Hawaii is an odd state. THere is no doubt of this. However, seeing as how the girl being discussed is only 14 and the guy involved is 19 I would say there is sufficent cause for him to be arrested, if he had sex with her. However, if all he did was kiss her, I do not see why he needs to have his life ruined.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

-TH

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Where the fuck is people's sense of RIGHT and WRONG? All this fucking Smoke and MIrrors "Gray Area" BULLSHIT is just that...BULLSHIT!

 

Having sex with a minor, after you have "Come Of Age" is WRONG.

 

Stealing something from a store is WRONG.

 

Keeping something that was not yours to begin with is WRONG.

 

Ripping off Sweet & Low, Equal, and Sugar packets from a restaurant is WRONG.

 

Eating or drinking someone elses food or drink is WRONG.

 

Fucking Asswipes. Wrong is Wrong. QUIT RATIONALIZING THIS BULLSHIT!

[TerroristHater]

Where the fuck is people's sense of RIGHT and WRONG? All this fucking Smoke and MIrrors "Gray Area" BULLSHIT is just that...BULLSHIT!

 

Having sex with a minor, after you have "Come Of Age" is WRONG.

 

Stealing something from a store is WRONG.

 

Keeping something that was not yours to begin with is WRONG.

 

Ripping off Sweet & Low, Equal, and Sugar packets from a restaurant is WRONG.

 

Eating or drinking someone elses food or drink is WRONG.

 

Fucking Asswipes. Wrong is Wrong. QUIT RATIONALIZING THIS BULLSHIT!

 

What is your blood pressure at this moment in time, CES?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What is your blood pressure at this moment in time, CES?

 

It's fine. Thank you.

 

My point is this...

 

People keep trying to RATIONALIZE their own or others WRONG behaviors.

 

rationalize: to apologize, defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning;

 

If something is against the law, it's just that; against the law. Don't whine that the law is unfair because it is used to punish you for breaking it.

 

If something is a transgression against another human being, such as stealing, it is wrong. There is no excuses; it's just wrong.

 

People do not seem to have this basic sense of right and wrong anymore. It really disgusts me.

[TerroristHater]

It's fine. Thank you.

 

My point is this...

 

People keep trying to RATIONALIZE their own or others WRONG behaviors.

 

rationalize: to apologize, defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning;

 

If something is against the law, it's just that; against the law. Don't whine that the law is unfair because it is used to punish you for breaking it.

 

If something is a transgression against another human being, such as stealing, it is wrong. There is no excuses; it's just wrong.

 

People do not seem to have this basic sense of right and wrong anymore. It really disgusts me.

 

I know that having sex with people under 18 is illegal, unless you happen to be married to the minor you are having sex with.

 

What I don't understand is what harm is done in the 19 year-old kissing the 14 year-old?

 

I would put the fear of god in him, but I could not send him to jail over a kiss.

 

That was what I was commenting on

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

I have an Idea:

 

Let's raise the age to 25, since everyone who's in the late stages of adolesence is still a helpless baby in diapers and will be physically and psychologically harmed by sex since they don't know what it's all about.

 

And let's also require the couple involved be married and intent to produce children, because of the simple reason that that's the moral thing to do because some dead guy or a group of people who are against everything said so.

[dshogan1]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

In the state of new york, it is 2nd Degree rape,a class D felony for an adult male to have sexual relations with a minor female, however it is only sexual misconduct a class A misdemenor for an adult female to have sexual relations with a minor male.... now i think that is fucked up..

[Outlaw2747]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

In the state of new york, it is 2nd Degree rape,a class D felony for an adult male to have sexual relations with a minor female, however it is only sexual misconduct a class A misdemenor for an adult female to have sexual relations with a minor male.... now i think that is fucked up..

 

That is fucking stupid. Just because they have a vagina, that exempts them from the same punishment? That is pure horseshit. Gender equality my ass! Show that to a feminazi and I bet they will try to justify that.

 

Where did you find this info?

[angie]

Here is what I found on NY age of consent laws:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/newyork.htm

2nd degree is now over 18 & under 15.

The below is also included in the second second. I'm assuming that what this says is similar to what used to be in section 1 about under 17 & over 21, or more than 4 years (15-20, etc). I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I can make from this.

1st degree is now under 11, or under 13 & over 18. You can confirm all of this from the law which is direct from NY State.

It shall be an affirmative defense to the crime of rape in the second degree as defined in subdivision one of this section that the defendant was less than four years older than the victim at the time of the act.

 

S 130.55 Sexual abuse in the third degree.

A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the third degree when he or she subjects another person to sexual contact without the latter`s consent; except that in any prosecution under this section, it is an affirmative defense that (a) such other person`s lack of consent was due solely to incapacity to consent by reason of being less than seventeen years old, and (b) such other person was more than fourteen years old, and © the defendant was less than five years older than such other person. Sexual abuse in the third degree is a class B misdemeanor.

 

S 130.40 Sodomy in the third degree.

A person is guilty of sodomy in the third degree when: 1. He or she engages in deviate sexual intercourse with a person who

is incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than seventeen years old; 2. Being twenty-one years old or more, he or she engages in deviate sexual intercourse with a person less than seventeen years old; or 3. He or she engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another person without such person`s consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some factor other than incapacity to consent. Sodomy in the third degree is a class E felony.

 

S 130.25 Rape in the third degree.

A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when: 1. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is

incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than seventeen years old; 2. Being twenty-one years old or more, he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old; or 3. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without such person`s consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some factor other than incapacity to consent. Rape in the third degree is a class E felony.

I'm not seeing anything that says it's okay for a female and not for a male.

So I think SOMEONE is full of crap.

[skategreen]

Nice, (with hand waving in the air still for the over 40 question!) but missing my point all together.

 

 

 

Male or female makes no difference.

 

That is fucking stupid. Just because they have a vagina, that exempts them from the same punishment? That is pure horseshit. Gender equality my ass! Show that to a feminazi and I bet they will try to justify that.

 

Where did you find this info?

 

more men in politics than women = great probability that these statutes were written and enacted by men.

[dshogan1]

Here is what I found on NY age of consent laws:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/newyork.htm

 

I'm not seeing anything that says it's okay for a female and not for a male.

So I think SOMEONE is full of crap.

 

yes that is the state statuetes, the actual laws, however, there have been cases, and i cant remember the names, but more than 1 case where a female was charged with sexual misconduct rather than 2nd degree rape as it should be, the fact that a male is the dominant partner in the relationship was the determining factor in these decisions, i dont know the cases exactly but if you do some research im sure u will find im right...also as you can see angie, that is not the text of the NYS penal code that is just an interpretation.

[angie]

yes that is the state statuetes, the actual laws, however, there have been cases, and i cant remember the names, but more than 1 case where a female was charged with sexual misconduct rather than 2nd degree rape as it should be, the fact that a male is the dominant partner in the relationship was the determining factor in these decisions, i dont know the cases exactly but if you do some research im sure u will find im right

 

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about I would be able to find it. I'm not going on a wild goose chase. And as for these specific cases, that isn't the fault of the law. That is the fault of the District Attorneys and Judges. Not every case is cut and dry. Sheesh, don't you ever watch Law and Order?

 

And just an FYI: I couldn't get it from the NY site because the connection kept getting rejected. Believe me I did try.

[angie]

It worked today. I'm on the NY Assembly Page now. I will update.

[dshogan1]

. And as for these specific cases, that isn't the fault of the law. That is the fault of the District Attorneys and Judges.

 

The point im making is that had it been a male in the same position, he would have gotten 2nd degree rape, prison time, and have to register as a sex offender, that is the point im making. Because a guy has a dick he is expected

to be the dominant sexual partner.

[angie]

The point im making is that had it been a male in the same position, he would have gotten 2nd degree rape, prison time, and have to register as a sex offender, that is the point im making. Because a guy has a dick he is expected

to be the dominant sexual partner.

 

NO that was NOT the point you were making!

In the state of new york, it is 2nd Degree rape,a class D felony for an adult male to have sexual relations with a minor female, however it is only sexual misconduct a class A misdemenor for an adult female to have sexual relations with a minor male.... now i think that is fucked up..

You stated that those were the LAWS on the books. There is a HUGE difference between the two. I want YOU to find me these two specific cases that you think were prosecuted in the wrong manner. You can't go around saying shit that you can't back up.

How the hell am I supposed to find cases that I don't even know exist? I don't know names, dates, details, nothing. Too broad of a search even for myself to handle.

[Msixty]

there is a 15 year old girl in my school, shes fat and shes probably trying to heal her broken self-image (it took a long time to get her to admit to being less-than-perfect) by going out with her newest target, a 35 year old man with a wife, last week it was a 27 year old man, and a few months ago an 18 year old, she seems to like some 20 year old to.

 

what do you think, sick and wrong? and who is more pathetic, the 15 year old ugly bitch? or the masses of older men who actually let her be with them?

[phreakwars]

I would say the older guys who take advantage of the fact that the fat bitch just wants to basically be noticed, and somehow thinks fucking them will get her the attention she wants, so YA the portly bitch is lying to herself, and it's pretty damn pathetic, but the guy's are worse.

 

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[TerroristHater]

 

more men in politics than women = great probability that these statutes were written and enacted by men.

 

There is no doubt about it.

 

Oh well... who said life is fair?

[GrayGal]

I am just going to say i dated younger ppl....ONE yr younger but nothing else. My hubby is 1 yr and 4 days younger then me. My 1st husband was 1 yr 3 mths younger. I figure i'd marry a young guy so we would live about the same lenght of time together. Knowing I will probably still live longer, but all the guys when i was growing up who were "older" just wanted sex...No relationship...I was like sorry for ya. I just think there should be boundaries on ages....

[skategreen]

My 1st husband was 1 yr 3 mths younger. I figure i'd marry a young guy so we would live about the same lenght of time together. Knowing I will probably still live longer' date=' ....[/quote']

 

Maybe it's just the late night hour after an incredibly long day at work..

 

but this post strikes me as being really quite funny.

 

Gray Gal...you tellin me that when you got married or considered getting married, you actually threw this into the decision making?

 

"hmmm...he's cute, I like him in the sack, and after all, he IS a year younger ..hmm average lifespan of a female is XX years, of a male XX years, so statistically my gender lives longer. .. so if he's one year 3 months younger the odds of us living to the same age are......(let's see, ratio times pie squared equals...) oh yes! Yes Darling! I WILL MARRY YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!"

 

just a late night giggle!

 

"Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to die."