Kids In Cages???

[GrayGal]

Geez who can be more dimwitted..HUH?

Yeah lets lock kids in cages like they are doggies or cats...

I am so glad you chose not to breed KVH.

Children dont need to be locked up they just need discipline, love and a nice bed so when they are done for the day thats where they will be. Not a fucking cage where you'd lock your pet monkey!

[Anna Perenna]

Here's another example of model parenting:

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/us-couple-jailed-for-torturing-children/2005/09/15/1126750061226.html?oneclick=true

[ToriAllen]

1. I don't have any kids. Dont plan on it.

 

2. No one would put my kid in a cage because I'd probably have done it already.

Perhaps you would enjoy a personal tour of the cage?

[skategreen]

....Or we could beat the fuck out of them instead.

 

My parents used to do foster care, and a couple of kids that were stuck with us for about two years would sneak out at night, piss and shit all over the house, steal shit, wreck everything and pull a bunch of other bullshit.

 

THIS IS NOT HUMAN BEHAVIOR! They should be fucking locked up!

 

And we know these kids were just bad and you had really great parents, cuz after all, look how YOU turned out!

[cynthiaa89]

Perhaps you would enjoy a personal tour of the cage?

 

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Personal tour of the cage?

 

I'm not a kid, therefore I don't need to be put in one.

 

Do I shit all over the place? No.

Do I steal shit? No.

Do I wreck things? No.

[Lethalfind]

I read about it and then Nancy Grace on CNN went over the case. This couple had adopted these children from different counties and posibly states. They were all disabled either mentally or medically, HIV, autism, Downs Syndrome etc. The parents got at least $5000 a month for taking them in.

When asked why they turned a barn on the property into a church rather then taking them to church, their defence attorney stated that because the parents were white and ALL the children were black, they were affraid what the community would think !!!!!

I was also shocked to hear they would let one couple adopt so many special needs children. Evidently after the adoption is completed no one checks in on them. The only reason it was found out now is because a neighbor stated that a year ago he had witnessed something he thought abusive. The police thought it best to send in a social worker. She of course took one look and called the Sheriff. The couple who adopted them also didn't send them to school, they home schooled them. Can you imagine?? That right there tells me they were trying to hide their treatment of these children. The school district has to offer resources to teach these children. This would have given the parents a brake while the kids were at school.

One of the early reports I read suggested some religious fanatacsim on the part of the parents but I haven't heard it from another source.

SICK.

Even the Republicans on this sight have to admit that if the tables were turned and the parents were black and the children were white that the parents would be in jail tonight. In fact the parents are free and not even charged with anything criminal.

Remind me, what country do I live in again??

Increasingly I don't recognize it anymore.

[GrayGal]

I read about it and then Nancy Grace on CNN went over the case. This couple had adopted these children from different counties and posibly states. They were all disabled either mentally or medically, HIV, autism, Downs Syndrome etc. The parents got at least $5000 a month for taking them in.

When asked why they turned a barn on the property into a church rather then taking them to church, their defence attorney stated that because the parents were white and ALL the children were black, they were affraid what the community would think !!!!!

I was also shocked to hear they would let one couple adopt so many special needs children. Evidently after the adoption is completed no one checks in on them. The only reason it was found out now is because a neighbor stated that a year ago he had witnessed something he thought abusive. The police thought it best to send in a social worker. She of course took one look and called the Sheriff. The couple who adopted them also didn't send them to school, they home schooled them. Can you imagine?? That right there tells me they were trying to hide their treatment of these children. The school district has to offer resources to teach these children. This would have given the parents a brake while the kids were at school.

One of the early reports I read suggested some religious fanatacsim on the part of the parents but I haven't heard it from another source.

SICK.

Even the Republicans on this sight have to admit that if the tables were turned and the parents were black and the children were white that the parents would be in jail tonight. In fact the parents are free and not even charged with anything criminal.

Remind me, what country do I live in again??

Increasingly I don't recognize it anymore.

 

 

Um...why does everything revolve around race...OMG FUCKING GOD!

I am so tired of the color of ppl being thrown into every discussion or excuse.

HOW LAME!

[ToriAllen]

Personal tour of the cage?

 

I'm not a kid, therefore I don't need to be put in one.

 

Do I shit all over the place? No.

Do I steal shit? No.

Do I wreck things? No.

Do you get on my nerves? Yes.

Is your mentality worth the cage? Yes.

 

Is Goth out of style? Hell Yes. Wash your hair, wash off the make-up, and buy a suit. You have the potential to be incredibly good looking...Sorry, I digress.

Back to the cage Goth boy. I'm doing it for the children...

[ToriAllen]

I read about it and then Nancy Grace on CNN went over the case. This couple had adopted these children from different counties and posibly states. They were all disabled either mentally or medically, HIV, autism, Downs Syndrome etc. The parents got at least $5000 a month for taking them in.

When asked why they turned a barn on the property into a church rather then taking them to church, their defence attorney stated that because the parents were white and ALL the children were black, they were affraid what the community would think !!!!!

I was also shocked to hear they would let one couple adopt so many special needs children. Evidently after the adoption is completed no one checks in on them. The only reason it was found out now is because a neighbor stated that a year ago he had witnessed something he thought abusive. The police thought it best to send in a social worker. She of course took one look and called the Sheriff. The couple who adopted them also didn't send them to school, they home schooled them. Can you imagine?? That right there tells me they were trying to hide their treatment of these children. The school district has to offer resources to teach these children. This would have given the parents a brake while the kids were at school.

One of the early reports I read suggested some religious fanatacsim on the part of the parents but I haven't heard it from another source.

SICK.

Even the Republicans on this sight have to admit that if the tables were turned and the parents were black and the children were white that the parents would be in jail tonight. In fact the parents are free and not even charged with anything criminal.

Remind me, what country do I live in again??

Increasingly I don't recognize it anymore.

What does race or politics have to do with this? If OJ was white, he

[Outlaw2747]

Do you get on my nerves? Yes.

Is your mentality worth the cage? Yes.

 

Is Goth out of style? Hell Yes. Wash your hair, wash off the make-up, and buy a suit. You have the potential to be incredibly good looking...Sorry, I digress.

Back to the cage Goth boy. I'm doing it for the children...

 

Tori, you been on a roll as of late. You okay?

[ToriAllen]

Tori, you been on a roll as of late. You okay?

No. I'm over stressed right now. That tends to lead to a shorter fuse. The sweet Tori will be back when I'm out of school.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I like the "New and Improved" Tori better than the "Sweet" Tori! Keep up the tirade, baby!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Do you get on my nerves? Yes.

Is your mentality worth the cage? Yes.

 

Is Goth out of style? Hell Yes. Wash your hair, wash off the make-up, and buy a suit. You have the potential to be incredibly good looking...Sorry, I digress.

Back to the cage Goth boy. I'm doing it for the children...

 

Sting of the Queen Bee...

 

Ouch!

 

How utterly satisfying... sips cocktail and munches salty popcorn

[Lethalfind]

Race was brought into the conversation I was watching between Nancy Grace who was a prosecuting attorney before she went on CNN, the Psychiatrist who works with her, The adoptive parents brought it up also by saying they didn't feel "comfortable" bringing these children to church in the community because they the parents were white and the children are black.

Don't be so fuckin blind, race is almost always part of the issue.

Study crime statistics. If its a white on white crime, there is one punishment handed down, if its black on white, its far harsher. This is not my opinion, its well established fact. You should all read up on it before you talk alot of shit.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Do you get on my nerves? Yes.

Is your mentality worth the cage? Yes.

 

Is Goth out of style? Hell Yes. Wash your hair, wash off the make-up, and buy a suit. You have the potential to be incredibly good looking...Sorry, I digress.

Back to the cage Goth boy. I'm doing it for the children...

 

 

 

I don't really give a flying fuck what is out of style. It's a free fucking country I'll wear whatever the fuck I want.

 

And I dont' really give a fuck if I get on your nerves, because you're a nothing more than a walking pile of pig shit for all I care.

[Outlaw2747]

I don't really give a flying fuck what is out of style. It's a free fucking country I'll wear whatever the fuck I want.

 

And I dont' really give a fuck if I get on your nerves, because you're a nothing more than a walking pile of pig shit for all I care

 

Wow man, you okay? You seem to be getting pretty fed up as of late man. Tori as well...

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Race was brought into the conversation I was watching between Nancy Grace who was a prosecuting attorney before she went on CNN, the Psychiatrist who works with her, The adoptive parents brought it up also by saying they didn't feel "comfortable" bringing these children to church in the community because they the parents were white and the children are black.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, some members of the community are bigotted have threatened them in some way? There is always more sides to a story than your preconceived ideals. I'm not saying that they are innocent or guilty, I don't think there is near enough information to make any judgement whatsoever. Hell, they haven't even been charged with anything... yet.

 

Don't be so fuckin blind, race is almost always part of the issue.

1) Don't be so fucking stupid, "almost always" is by definition not100% your prejudice is getting the best of your argument.

2) "The Issue" which issue, the issue at hand no body even knows about, and there are no formal charges in the case, what "Issue" are you babbling about?

 

Study crime statistics.

Woah, girl! I know a lot about crime statistics... try me.

 

If its a white on white crime, there is one punishment handed down, if its black on white, its far harsher.

not neccessarily true, in fact you statistically you have it backwards, the FBI reports that at of all race-based crimes 17% are committed by blacks against whites and 66% are committed by whites against blacks. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/98hate.pdf#search='race%20crime%20statistics'But out of all violent crimes committed 40% are perpetrated by Black offenders http://www.crf-usa.org/brown50th/color_of_justice.htmSo it appears that blacks are far less likely to be charged with a "hate crime" than whites who commit the same crime.

 

This is not my opinion, its well established fact. You should all read up on it before you talk alot of shit.

I did my research, it seems like YOU should do yours.

[Lethalfind]

"you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, some members of the community are bigotted have threatened them in some way? There is always more sides to a story than your preconceived ideals. I'm not saying that they are innocent or guilty, I don't think there is near enough information to make any judgement whatsoever. Hell, they haven't even been charged with anything... yet."

 

I would think that if such threats had been made that their defense attorny would have stated this in order to offer his clients some cover for their behavior. He made no such claim...

Please don't let the fact that I have made a statement about this case cloud what is really going on here. Don't take my word for it, if you disbeleive something I have said here, felt I have colored it for my own purpose, please please please read up on it. For me at least thats the whole point of participating in this blog. Its posible for us all to hear the same facts and understand different sides of the same issue.

If you honestly feel that someone can lock children disabled or not up in cages and they could be innocent, then IN MY OPINION, your an animal. If these people couldn't handle the children they should have asked for help. It is quite simply against the law to treat children this way.

It has been suggested that they may have misbehaved and this was their punishment. This kind of treatment of a child with autism for instance will have no effect on correcting any kind of so called bad behavoir. They don't respond to that kind of treatment. Isn't the point of punishment to amend behavoir?? Or is it in this case a way to make life easier for the lazy people who adopted them for the money they could get from the government? Are you really unaware of the fact that there are people out there who adopt disabled children or become foster parents just for the money that the government gives them?? I of course don't mean to say that all people are like that because I know thats not true. The people I have met would never think of locking a child in a cage made of chicken wire and 2 x 4's.

Whats so funny is that you think it matters if you think its ok. There are laws against this kind of thing. It doesn't matter what a child does, they have certain inalienable rights. The child does not have to have an adult around them say its OK for them to have those rights. The government has interceded and removed these children and now the people who adopted them will have to get a fuckin job.

Wheres the compassion???

Do you all really not know what it is to be in the mental state of these children?? I hope thats it. The state of these children is sad indeed. Some of them self mutilated and ate things not considered food such as batteries. How do you think they got that way??? They didn't spring from the womb that way. Some son of a bitch abused them until their little souls were fractured. Now the government has given them to people who are furthering the abuse.

Its been an issue for some time that the government should be doing more research into who is adopting children. Did you know that in the state of Florida all you have to do is get through one 1 1/2 session with psychiatrist to confirm your not crazy??? Anybody can do this. It has turned back on the state agencies because so often they allow people who are deeply trouble to adopt children and then abuse them all over again. In their attempt to help the children they have become an abuser.

When my parents adopted me in the late 60's, they didn't even have to get through a session with an MD. All they did was research if my parents could financially provide for me. No research was done as to the mental stability of the family unit. No one found out about the dark underbelly of my family...

When I worked for the mental health insurance company I heard stories like this all the time. We had one client who had attempted suicide many times but somehow the state of Utah thought she was a good person to adopt children. She had a major diagnoses, she was never going to get better.

Again I say the definition of a society is how we treat our weakest members.

This lazy attitude toward who is good enough to adopt and foster children needs to change, its been going on far too long. Unfortunately it will take a problem like this to shine a spotlight on it.

Only a couple of days ago, Jeb Bush found out that in Florida social workers had stopped making home visits due to the rise in fuel as an attempt to save money. Remember this is the state that LOST a foster child under their care and falsified documents to cover this up. Jeb of course ordered them to make these visits.

[ToriAllen]

I don't really give a flying fuck what is out of style. It's a free fucking country I'll wear whatever the fuck I want.

Yes. Everyone has the right to look like a dork stuck in the early nineties Goth phase. I'm just not sure why anyone would want to.

And I dont' really give a fuck if I get on your nerves, because you're a nothing more than a walking pile of pig shit for all I care

Boohoohoo. That really hurts. You opinion means sooo much to me.

[skategreen]

I don't really give a flying fuck what is out of style. It's a free fucking country I'll wear whatever the fuck I want.

 

I'm not going to comment on the rest of this thread for a moment..I'm simply replying to this part of this post....

 

Rah!

 

I fully agree with you. Dress however you want, especially in your own free time. Conservative fraidy cats dress like the great unwashed masses. "What's in style" "this season's colors" are for lemmings. Wear penguin pajamas with your favorite hoodie and black boots to the grocery store...or a hospital gown with the gardening boots...(I have) ....anyone who wants to rank you for your clothing as being too "unique" or not conforming to the current style (unless it's at work and you've ascribed to their asinine views by taking the job) .... is simply under the thumb of the great ocean of public opinion, and as such, they are to be pitied. These pitiful wrenches are, however unknowingly, brainwashed into a sheep mentality, feeling they must strike out at or run from anyone who looks "different".

 

It's one of the most primitive urges and rejections, "you don't look like me", and therefore is base and has no grounding in truth or actual importance/significance.

 

Personally, I would like to own a giant bunny costume, and wear it on those days I'm feeling.....kinda like a bunny.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm not going to comment on the rest of this thread for a moment..I'm simply replying to this part of this post....

 

Rah!

 

I fully agree with you. Dress however you want, especially in your own free time. Conservative fraidy cats dress like the great unwashed masses. "What's in style" "this season's colors" are for lemmings. Wear penguin pajamas with your favorite hoodie and black boots to the grocery store...or a hospital gown with the gardening boots...(I have) ....anyone who wants to rank you for your clothing as being too "unique" or not conforming to the current style (unless it's at work and you've ascribed to their asinine views by taking the job) .... is simply under the thumb of the great ocean of public opinion, and as such, they are to be pitied. These pitiful wrenches are, however unknowingly, brainwashed into a sheep mentality, feeling they must strike out at or run from anyone who looks "different".

 

It's one of the most primitive urges and rejections, "you don't look like me", and therefore is base and has no grounding in truth or actual importance/significance.

 

Personally, I would like to own a giant bunny costume, and wear it on those days I'm feeling.....kinda like a bunny.

 

 

LOL. That must have been a good bottle of wine there Skategreen! Whew.

 

Personally, I agree with you, but KVH is in reality, the absolute slave to fashion.

 

Be honest...

 

What is GOTH? It's a DEFINITION of a type of clothing, physical appearances, social mannerisms, and even a socially acceptable/unacceptable mindset depending from which position you are looking at it.

 

NOBODY who says "I am a Goth" is truly a free spirit. They are simply another onion bagel in the bin, badmouthing the ryes and the pumpernickels, and the jalape

[tizz]

I'm not going to comment on the rest of this thread for a moment..I'm simply replying to this part of this post....

 

Rah!

 

I fully agree with you. Dress however you want, especially in your own free time. Conservative fraidy cats dress like the great unwashed masses. "What's in style" "this season's colors" are for lemmings. Wear penguin pajamas with your favorite hoodie and black boots to the grocery store...or a hospital gown with the gardening boots...(I have) ....anyone who wants to rank you for your clothing as being too "unique" or not conforming to the current style (unless it's at work and you've ascribed to their asinine views by taking the job) .... is simply under the thumb of the great ocean of public opinion, and as such, they are to be pitied. These pitiful wrenches are, however unknowingly, brainwashed into a sheep mentality, feeling they must strike out at or run from anyone who looks "different".

 

It's one of the most primitive urges and rejections, "you don't look like me", and therefore is base and has no grounding in truth or actual importance/significance.

 

Personally, I would like to own a giant bunny costume, and wear it on those days I'm feeling.....kinda like a bunny.

 

 

You just described my usual outfits in HS (whatever I grabbed first and usually still with my eyes closed and half asleep LOL) I worked for the constume dept of the drama club, and that allowed me some creative liberties HEHE. Now I am LITTLE more conservative, tastes change, but I can still where the liddie shoes. I saw an awesome pair of Bazooka Joe chuck taylors yesterday and almost pitched a fit when they didn't have my size LOL. I let my daughter pick out her own clothes and it turns out she has my same fashion sense WOOOHOOOO (I lived in thrift stores nd was never afraid to wear what I found. DAMN I wish I kept more of it!!)

[angie]

LOL. That must have been a good bottle of wine there Skategreen! Whew.

 

Personally, I agree with you, but KVH is in reality, the absolute slave to fashion.

 

Be honest...

 

What is GOTH? It's a DEFINITION of a type of clothing, physical appearances, social mannerisms, and even a socially acceptable/unacceptable mindset depending from which position you are looking at it.

 

NOBODY who says "I am a Goth" is truly a free spirit. They are simply another onion bagel in the bin, badmouthing the ryes and the pumpernickels, and the jalape

[angie]

You just described my usual outfits in HS (whatever I grabbed first and usually still with my eyes closed and half asleep LOL) I worked for the constume dept of the drama club, and that allowed me some creative liberties HEHE. Now I am LITTLE more conservative, tastes change, but I can still where the liddie shoes. I saw an awesome pair of Bazooka Joe chuck taylors yesterday and almost pitched a fit when they didn't have my size LOL. I let my daughter pick out her own clothes and it turns out she has my same fashion sense WOOOHOOOO (I lived in thrift stores nd was never afraid to wear what I found. DAMN I wish I kept more of it!!)

 

In high school half the time I went to school in my pajamas.

And I LOVE thrift store shopping. My friend Agatha and I will spend an entire day just shopping at thrift stores trying to find the most abnoxious outfits possible.