TerroristHater Posted September 18, 2005 Posted September 18, 2005 People like this piss me off almost as much as Biblethumpers: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050915/ap_on_re_us/pledge_of_allegiance;_ylt=AobRn_dw_p0AL40y3ySnKvSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY- Okay. I'm no Christian, but am willing to overlook the whole "under God" thing. When this country was founded, EVERYONE was Christian, thus the reference. The Pledge of Allegiance is NOT about God, or Religion. It's about patriotism. Which is being destroyed by all of these PC nuts. Is it REALLY that offensive? Hell I have just as many problems with Christianity as the next person, but GIMME A BREAK. This is ridiculous! Yeah, I agree. They need to grow the fuck up. If any of you ever wondered why it almost takes an act of god to get certiorari (this means the Supreme Court agrees to hear your case) it's because the Supreme Court is busy dealing with stupid shit like this. -TH 1 Quote I'm not having a tantrum...I'm not...I'm not...I'm not...I'm going to sue your ass...whawwwwwwww. Iran's useless government will disarm or be destroyed. As a matter of personal preference; I prefer the latter. FUCK IRAN, FUCK TERRORISTS, AND FUCK ALL THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM!!!
tizz Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 So TH what makes you think this is NOT an important issue. I always thought that the seperation of church and state was one of the biggest issues, representing a unique freedom and ideal. I mean the case on it's own may look a little small but it represents something much bigger. You are missing the forrest for the trees. For every freedom you are WILLING to give up, you will loose ten more you were never even asked about Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
dshogan1 Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 God this is so retarded. This issue has been beat to death. The pledge does not say you have to beleive that we are united under the christian god. It says "one nation, under god" it could mean any god, because in any other religion, the name for god is just a different translation of the word god, so it can really apply to any religion. Now i have seen 3 different people in my school contest having to say the pledge. These people were people that wanted to do anything to piss the school off, and found a way to do this legally, i beleive that everytime this comes up it is just somebody looking for something to bitch about. If you dont like it, dont say it, dont stand up for it, that is within your legal right, but if you have any kind of patriotism, shut the fuck up, stand up and say the pledge. The Pledge of Alligiance....read the name it does not say The Pledge to Beleive in a Christian GOD....Get over it. Quote [CENTER][COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]When I raise my flashing sword, and my hand takes hold on judgment, I will take vengeance upon mine enemies, and I will repay those who haze me. Oh, Lord, raise me to Thy right hand and count me among Thy saints.[/FONT] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][IMG]http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/7ffa81b8e7ba1573ef6fd2f227b6de4f.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE][/CENTER]
tizz Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 Does it matter if it is any religion? When you say "church and state" it refers to ANY for of religion. I never said a word about a specific religion. Why was teh phrase added in teh first place? It was not in the original pledge, so what is the big deal about removing something that was added without thinking? You have to look at the bigger picture and not be so complacent about giving up small pieces of what are supposed to be fundamental ideals of this country. You end up having a national day of "prayer" on what is supposed to be "Constitution Day" (Ok please tell me someone else caught that and had a bit of a scary little giggle over it) Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
dshogan1 Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 Good point tizz. But am i right in saying it is always somebody that just wants something to bitch about, and knows this is something that will go to supreme court everytime? I mean if they truely beleive this is wrong then go for it, but if they are just attention whores looking for a place to gain fame, then fuck them. Quote [CENTER][COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]When I raise my flashing sword, and my hand takes hold on judgment, I will take vengeance upon mine enemies, and I will repay those who haze me. Oh, Lord, raise me to Thy right hand and count me among Thy saints.[/FONT] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][IMG]http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/7ffa81b8e7ba1573ef6fd2f227b6de4f.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE][/CENTER]
tizz Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 It may not have been brought up by the right person, but as a firm believer in the ideals this country was founded on, I believe in not only the right to bring it up but also the principles this case represents 1 Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
dshogan1 Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 TOUCH 1 Quote [CENTER][COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Book Antiqua]When I raise my flashing sword, and my hand takes hold on judgment, I will take vengeance upon mine enemies, and I will repay those who haze me. Oh, Lord, raise me to Thy right hand and count me among Thy saints.[/FONT] [/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/CENTER] [CENTER][SIZE=3][IMG]http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/7ffa81b8e7ba1573ef6fd2f227b6de4f.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE][/CENTER]
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 Didn't that change when cash was no longer backed by precious metals? Yes, and this was also the beginning of the little gremlin called "National Debt" and it's been a rapid downhill slide since then... Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 Yeah, I agree. They need to grow the fuck up. If any of you ever wondered why it almost takes an act of god to get certiorari (this means the Supreme Court agrees to hear your case) it's because the Supreme Court is busy dealing with stupid shit like this. -TH Whao! Go back and look at this post! What's this shit at the bottom? "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 " I'm sorry, he should just give up his essential liberty to the court system so as not to "clog" the Supreme Court by making them deal with stupid shit like stopping state sponsored affirmation of a god... Right. I see clearly that you are practicing what you preach! Not. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/
ToriAllen Posted September 19, 2005 Posted September 19, 2005 Michael Newdow is now an athiest Reverend...??? That's right a reverend. rev Quote Smart men learn from their own mistakes; Wise men learn from others. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
tonon Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 a reverend in my town was kicked out of his congregation becouse he doesnt approve of gay marriage, thats just screwed up. people in my town left the church becouse of it. Quote p1010226
sixes Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I'm a Christain...anyother form of worship means you will burn in hell! So remember there is only one god! The Chrsitain God, all others are false! Quote .
angie Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 a reverend in my town was kicked out of his congregation becouse he doesnt approve of gay marriage, thats just screwed up. people in my town left the church becouse of it. Didnt we discuss this like a month ago and come to the conclusion that that wasn't the main reason? Or did you not pay attention to my dissertation? Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
fullauto Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I beg you all.... please stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a fucking NAZI... you want to know what a nazi is? look up my profile pic and then ask me! You never know... you might agree with me! 1 Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
sixes Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I beg you all.... please stop calling everyone who disagrees with you a fucking NAZI... you want to know what a nazi is? look up my profile pic and then ask me! You never know... you might agree with me! Your Iron cross may of been the belief of the Nazi, but it is also Celtic dating back to the 1600s... Quote .
angie Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 I use the term "nazi" figuratively, not literally. Fairly common (as far as I have expirienced) to be used as a slang term. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
fullauto Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 than I appologies.... but the term Nazi is really thrown around alot without any clue of what it means..... Quote Liberals... Saving the world one semester at a time "I'm not a racist... I'm a realist! And if you don't know the difference, You're an Idiot!" -- Fullauto Present - 1. (Noun) The point that divides disappointment from hope
angie Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 than I appologies.... but the term Nazi is really thrown around alot without any clue of what it means..... No worries. Didn't mean to insult anyone. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
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