Guest Libertarius Posted November 9, 2007 Posted November 9, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message > news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... > >>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >> >>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they rely >>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>death. >> >>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence and >>never do. >> > > Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that Bill's > gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become > fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross > of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John > 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > John 3:3) > > ===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and operations of Nature. Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the "gods" in THEIR minds. You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as models. Thus, all gods are the creations of men. By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by "atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare that such a being does not have any existence in reality. The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person (or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal cosmic process itself. By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >> news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>> >>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>rely >>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>death. >>> >>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence >>>and >>>never do. >> >> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that Bill's >> gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >> become >> fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >> cross >> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >> 14:6-10) >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >> John 3:3) >> >> > ===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to > explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and > operations of Nature. > Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, > just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every > believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of > previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the > "gods" in THEIR minds. > You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" > inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as > models. > Thus, all gods are the creations of men. > By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her > own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by > "atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare > that such a being does not have any existence in reality. > The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein > called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person > (or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating > Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal > cosmic process itself. > By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist > Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 "Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> "Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >> news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> > On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> >> "Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >> >>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >> >> 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >> >>>> >> Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>> >> rely >>>> >> on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>> >> death. >>>> >>>> > So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>> > evidence >>>> > and never do. >>>> >>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>> Bill's >>>> gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>> become >>>> fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>> cross >>>> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>> 14:6-10) >>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>> John 3:3) >>> >>> You've seen God? I don't believe you. >> >> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think you >> have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God incarnate. >> See >> below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. > > But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a > time machine that is. > LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But then most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, because he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ who exists in the spirit eternally. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Ghamph Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:4735876f$0$26423$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > Pastor Frank wrote: > >> "> The word "god" is a title not a proper name. It signifies what is most > holy to ( us ), (our) ideals and purpose in life, and all who demonstrate these > ideals are the sons of God. > Christ tells (us), that love is the most central ideal (we) are to live up > to have life, without love one's existence is without meaning and dead. You > either believe that or you don't, and you may choose a different principle > as being central to your life, such as the Law as in Judaism, or submission > as Islam does. No love required there. > Spinoza's God doesn't represent any principles for man to live up to, > and so the quality of existence can neither evolve nor advance. "just and > idol" indeed!!!! > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "To love one and other", requires no supreme being or holy unseen entity. Neither is "loving" dependent on any organized religious or other controlling organization. Anyone or anything that has (all) the properties of a God, therefore is a God. Including possibly, a man. As in the old saying if it waddles, quacks, has feathers, webbed feet, duck bill, fly's and swims on ponds, there is a very good chance that you have a duck. Jamffer Quote
Guest Ghamph Posted November 11, 2007 Posted November 11, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:4736d5d6$0$26488$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > > But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a > > time machine that is. > > > LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But then > most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, because > he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ who > exists in the spirit eternally. > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I agree, at first we see him only in the flesh and not understand spiritual things. Then when we mature we must kill (destroy completely) the flesh (physical story of Jesus) and raise it to the spirit (where it is meant to be). After all, Jesus Christ is not for us to just hang on the wall or on our car mirror and admire saying "oh how I love you Jesus". Jesus is, "the way" he is "the bright morning star" he is "the way to the Father" He is, "a path to the knowledge of eternatl life" He is, "the instructions to bury death forever". That's all he is, "not a man". Have a nice forever; Jamffer Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >>Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>> >>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>rely >>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>>death. >>>> >>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence >>>>and >>>>never do. >>> >>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that Bill's >>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>become >>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>cross >>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>14:6-10) >>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>John 3:3) >>> >>> >> >>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to >>explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and >>operations of Nature. >>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, >>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every >>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of >>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the >>"gods" in THEIR minds. >>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" >>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as >>models. >>Thus, all gods are the creations of men. >>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her >>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by >>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare >>that such a being does not have any existence in reality. >>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein >>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person >>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating >>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal >>cosmic process itself. >>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist >> Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message > news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > >>On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >> >>>"Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>>On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>> >>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>rely >>>>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>>>>death. >>>>> >>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>evidence >>>>>>and never do. >>>>> >>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>Bill's >>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>become >>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>cross >>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>>>14:6-10) >>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>>John 3:3) >>>> >>>>You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>> >>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think you >>>have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God incarnate. >>>See >>>below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >> >>But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>time machine that is. >> > > LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But then > most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, because > he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ who > exists in the spirit eternally. ===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:4739e0ef$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >> news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality >>>>>>of >>>>>>death. >>>>> >>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence >>>>>and never do. >>>> >>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>> Bill's >>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>become >>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>cross >>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>>14:6-10) >>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>John 3:3) >>> >>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to >>>explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and >>>operations of Nature. >>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, >>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every >>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of >>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the >>>"gods" in THEIR minds. >>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" >>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as >>>models. >>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men. >>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her >>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by >>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare >>>that such a being does not have any existence in reality. >>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein >>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person >>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating >>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal >>>cosmic process itself. >>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist >>> Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:4739e165$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >> news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >>>On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>"Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>"Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>>19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>>> >>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>>rely >>>>>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>>>>>death. >>>>>> >>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>evidence >>>>>>>and never do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>Bill's >>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>>become >>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>>cross >>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>John >>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus >>>>>> in >>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>> >>>>>You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>>> >>>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think you >>>>have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God incarnate. >>>>See >>>>below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >>> >>>But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>>time machine that is. >> >> LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But >> then >> most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, >> because >> he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ >> who >> exists in the spirit eternally. > > ===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers > who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. > Our God is an ideal of a quality of being, i.e. loving and caring, .....to the death if need be. Even if the cosmos ceases to exist, ideals will never cease to exist. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Ghamph Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message news:4740261c$0$24081$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > "> You forgot that there is no rule that requires god to be a created > material substance, nor some invisible substance or disembodied person like > ectoplasm etc. God can be an ideal of perfection, Pastor Frank, maybe there is hope for you yet. I can't believe that someone is getting very close to understanding "in the spirit" instead of the physical world. Now just put Christ in the same form as the ideal of God and you will be born of the spirit, an eternal creature. Nothing can be destroyed, only altered in composition. The Bible is a spiritual book, to be understood in the spirit, not the flesh. i.e. our Christian "God is > love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His > life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and > have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in > John 3:3) > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:4739e0ef$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >>Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>> >>>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>>>> >>>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>death. >>>>>> >>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence >>>>>>and never do. >>>>> >>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>Bill's >>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>become >>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>cross >>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>>>14:6-10) >>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>>John 3:3) >>>> >>>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to >>>>explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and >>>>operations of Nature. >>>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, >>>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every >>>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of >>>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the >>>>"gods" in THEIR minds. >>>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" >>>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as >>>>models. >>>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men. >>>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her >>>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by >>>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare >>>>that such a being does not have any existence in reality. >>>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein >>>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person >>>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating >>>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal >>>>cosmic process itself. >>>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist >>>> Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:4739e165$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >>Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>>"Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>>On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>>On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>>>19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>>>rely >>>>>>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>>>>>>death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>>evidence >>>>>>>>and never do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>>Bill's >>>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>>>become >>>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>>>cross >>>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>>John >>>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus >>>>>>>in >>>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>>> >>>>>>You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>>>> >>>>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think you >>>>>have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God incarnate. >>>>>See >>>>>below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >>>> >>>>But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>>>time machine that is. >>> >>> LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But >>>then >>>most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, >>>because >>>he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ >>>who >>>exists in the spirit eternally. >> >>===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers >>who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. >> > > Our God is an ideal of a quality of being, i.e. loving and caring, > ....to the death if need be. Even if the cosmos ceases to exist, ideals will > never cease to exist. ===>More of your inanities. The Cosmos is eternal. Humans and man-made "ideals" are ephemeral. -- L. > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com> wrote in message news:13k13i3mbhf3aa4@corp.supernews.com... > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message > news:4740261c$0$24081$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >> You forgot that there is no rule that requires god to be a created >> material substance, nor some invisible substance or disembodied person >> like ectoplasm etc. God can be an ideal of perfection, > i.e. our Christian "God is >> love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His >> life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God >> and >> have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10) >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >> John 3:3) > > Pastor Frank, maybe there is hope for you yet. I can't believe that > someone > is getting very close to understanding "in the spirit" instead of the > physical world. > You can't believe someone is getting close to understanding"? Why is that? There are many Christians posting here who do understand that. > > Now just put Christ in the same form as the ideal of God and you will be > born of the spirit, an eternal creature. > I did that a long time ago and I am indeed born again in the spirit of Christ. Are you? > > Nothing can be destroyed, only altered in composition. > The Bible is a spiritual book, to be understood in the spirit, not the > flesh. > Praise the Lord!!! That's all very true. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:47408439$0$20634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >> news:4739e0ef$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>>news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>>>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the >>>>>>>>finality of >>>>>>>>death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>evidence and never do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>> Bill's >>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>>become >>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>>cross >>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>John >>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>> >>>>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans >>>>>to explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces >>>>>and operations of Nature. >>>>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, >>>>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every >>>>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of >>>>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the >>>>>"gods" in THEIR minds. >>>>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" >>>>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as >>>>>models. >>>>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men. >>>>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her >>>>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by >>>>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they >>>>>declare that such a being does not have any existence in reality. >>>>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein >>>>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person >>>>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating >>>>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the >>>>>eternal cosmic process itself. >>>>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could >>>>>exist Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:47408498$0$20634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >> news:4739e165$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>"Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>"Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>>>>19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because >>>>>>>>>>they >>>>>>>>>>rely >>>>>>>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality >>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>death. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>>>evidence >>>>>>>>>and never do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>>>Bill's >>>>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John >>>>>>>>4:8,16) >>>>>>>>become >>>>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>cross >>>>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>>>John >>>>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>>>>> >>>>>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think >>>>>> you >>>>>>have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God >>>>>>incarnate. >>>>>>See >>>>>>below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >>>>> >>>>>But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>>>>time machine that is. >>>> >>>> LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But >>>> then >>>>most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, >>>>because >>>>he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ >>>>who >>>>exists in the spirit eternally. >>> >>>===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers >>>who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. >> >> Our God is an ideal of a quality of being, i.e. loving and caring, >> ....to the death if need be. Even if the cosmos ceases to exist, ideals >> will never cease to exist. > > ===>More of your inanities. > The Cosmos is eternal. > Humans and man-made "ideals" are ephemeral. -- L. > The cosmos is not eternal, for it had a beginning and will likely have an end. Ideals are absolutes and absolutes don't exist, but are eternally in the process of coming into existence. They do that without needing anything nor anyone else to exist or assist. Btw, are the "inanities" you keep mentioning your gods or devils? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:47408498$0$20634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >>Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>news:4739e165$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>> >>>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>>>On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>>>>>19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because >>>>>>>>>>>they >>>>>>>>>>>rely >>>>>>>>>>>on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality >>>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>death. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>>>>evidence >>>>>>>>>>and never do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>>>>Bill's >>>>>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John >>>>>>>>>4:8,16) >>>>>>>>>become >>>>>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>cross >>>>>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>>>>John >>>>>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus >>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think >>>>>>>you >>>>>>>have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God >>>>>>>incarnate. >>>>>>>See >>>>>>>below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >>>>>> >>>>>>But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>>>>>time machine that is. >>>>> >>>>> LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But >>>>>then >>>>>most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, >>>>>because >>>>>he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ >>>>>who >>>>>exists in the spirit eternally. >>>> >>>>===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers >>>>who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. >>> >>> Our God is an ideal of a quality of being, i.e. loving and caring, >>>....to the death if need be. Even if the cosmos ceases to exist, ideals >>>will never cease to exist. >> >>===>More of your inanities. >>The Cosmos is eternal. >>Humans and man-made "ideals" are ephemeral. -- L. >> > > The cosmos is not eternal, for it had a beginning and will likely have > an end. ===>That is your ASSertion. Heraclitus of Ephesus already saw through your kind of nonsense and declared thet the Cosmos IS NOW, FOREVER WAS AND FOREVER WILL BE an everliving fire! Also, read about SPINOZA'S GOD. -- L. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message > news:47408439$0$20634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > >>Pastor Frank wrote: >> >>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>news:4739e0ef$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>> >>>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>>>news:4734c7bc$0$26482$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>>> >>>>>>Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the >>>>>>>>>finality of >>>>>>>>>death. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>>evidence and never do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>>Bill's >>>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>>>become >>>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>>>cross >>>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in >>>>>>>John >>>>>>>14:6-10) >>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>>>>John 3:3) >>>>>> >>>>>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans >>>>>>to explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces >>>>>>and operations of Nature. >>>>>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination, >>>>>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every >>>>>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of >>>>>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the >>>>>>"gods" in THEIR minds. >>>>>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god" >>>>>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as >>>>>>models. >>>>>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men. >>>>>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her >>>>>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by >>>>>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they >>>>>>declare that such a being does not have any existence in reality. >>>>>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein >>>>>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person >>>>>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating >>>>>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the >>>>>>eternal cosmic process itself. >>>>>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could >>>>>>exist Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message news:4740f454$0$26096$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> The cosmos is not eternal, for it had a beginning and will likely >> have an end. > > ===>That is your ASSertion. > > Heraclitus of Ephesus already saw through your kind of nonsense and > declared thet the Cosmos IS NOW, FOREVER WAS AND FOREVER WILL BE > an everliving fire! > Also, read about SPINOZA'S GOD. -- L. > So you don't believe in the "Big Bang", nor the big crunch to come, and which some scientists predict. Heraclitus, Ephesus and Spinoza, what did they know about modern cosmology and physics? Tell us which cosmologists support your ideas. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote
Guest Andrew Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 On 2007-11-19 03:16:37 +0000, Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> said: > Pastor Frank wrote: > >> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >> news:47408498$0$20634$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >> >>> Pastor Frank wrote: >>> >>>> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message >>>> news:4739e165$0$26472$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >>>> >>>>> Pastor Frank wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Andrew W" <ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:1194644230.258550.175650@s15g2000prm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 10, 6:57 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:1194598172.512680.84300@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 6:22 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...> On 2007-11-06 >>>>>>>>>> 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they >>>>>>>>>>>> rely >>>>>>>>>>>> on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality of >>>>>>>>>>>> death. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective >>>>>>>>>>> evidence >>>>>>>>>>> and never do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that >>>>>>>>>> Bill's >>>>>>>>>> gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) >>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the >>>>>>>>>> cross >>>>>>>>>> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John >>>>>>>>>> 14:6-10) >>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in >>>>>>>>>> John 3:3) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You've seen God? I don't believe you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We all have seen God in Jesus Christ, including you. If you think you >>>>>>>> have not, than you don't believe Christ is our Christian God incarnate. >>>>>>>> See >>>>>>>> below Christ explaining it to a sceptical Philip. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But you have never seen Jesus Christ. Unless of course you have a >>>>>>> time machine that is. >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL You sure have problems with literary hyperbole, don't you? But then >>>>>> most atheists would prefer believing in Joe Sixpack down the road, because >>>>>> he exists in the flesh for a little while, rather that in Jesus Christ who >>>>>> exists in the spirit eternally. >>>>> >>>>> ===>Not "eternally", only so long as there are credulous believers >>>>> who believe the fictional "Gospels". -- L. >>>> >>>> Our God is an ideal of a quality of being, i.e. loving and caring, >>>> ....to the death if need be. Even if the cosmos ceases to exist, ideals >>>> will never cease to exist. >>> >>> ===>More of your inanities. >>> The Cosmos is eternal. >>> Humans and man-made "ideals" are ephemeral. -- L. >>> >> >> The cosmos is not eternal, for it had a beginning and will likely >> have an end. > > ===>That is your ASSertion. > > Heraclitus of Ephesus already saw through your kind of nonsense and > declared thet the Cosmos IS NOW, FOREVER WAS AND FOREVER WILL BE > an everliving fire! > Also, read about SPINOZA'S GOD. -- L. Have you met Apobetic? - you and he would get on like a house on fire. He can't accept evolution; you, apparently can't accept modern cosmology. Quote
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