Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On 6 Apr 2007 10:03:11 -0700, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote: > >Gabriel wrote: >> On Apr 6, 2:52 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote: >> > On 5 Apr 2007 20:47:47 -0700, gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com wrote: >> > >Jesus performed miracles and the Pharises were witnesses to these >> > >miracles and still they sought to kill him, all in the name of keeping >> > >their power and their ability to sin in spite of the blatant proof >> > >right before their eyes. >> > >> > Prove it, moron. >> ... >> > Yet that's all it would take, liar. >> ... >> > A deliberately nasty, personal liar. >> ... >> > Then you don't know what "evidence" means, moron. >> ... >> > How do those prove anything, moron? >> ... >> > Why, brainwashed moron? >> >> Let's stop right there. I'm sure you'd like others to see that you >> have a valid point that you're trying to make. But trying to make such >> a point by calling someone you've never met a "moron" numerous times >> only makes it seem like you are the one that doesn't in fact have a >> point. > >Actually, I think the point is that you're a moron. > >> After all, if you did have a point, and you were the one that >> was without a doubt correct, you'd have no need to call someone a >> moron over and over again and could instead just focus on your point. > >You mean the point that despite the lack of objective, verifiable >evidence, you continue to insist you have evidence? > >> But instead you do result to such crude insults, making it seem that >> you don't really have a point and will just try to bash people into >> submission. Given the tone and nature of your reply, you give people >> the impression you are quite ignorant of even the most basic manner of >> social interaction, and that your mind is quite closed to anything but >> that which you are hatefully clinging onto. > >The tone and nature of his reply is appropriate to the volume of posts >like yours that arrive in alt.atheism every day. In his mind it's not insulting to impute dishonest reasons why we don't believe, and tell them to our faces. Nor is it insulting to cite the bible as "proof" to people he already knows aren't Christian. After all, he wants to disobey Allah as revealed by Mohammed so he pretends he doesn't accept what the Koran has to say. >> Is that the benefit of being an atheist? > >No, the benefit of being an atheist is not being a slave to a myth. > >> Do you honestly want others to think that "you, too, >> can be filled with such hate and guilt .. just reject God and vow that >> he doesn't exist" ? > >Pointing out the complete lack of objective, verifiable evidence for >any deities has nothing to do with "hate and guilt," and everything to >do with reason and intellectual honesty. His accusations of hate and guilt are a remarkable projection: he is a guilt-ridden protestant fundamentalist who hates anything and anybody who isn't. >> Tell you what, you show us you're capable of being even remotely >> civil, and then I'll take you seriously and assume you actually want a >> serious answer rather than assume you're only interested in spewing >> hate and insults for reminding you that you feel guilty about >> something you can't quite put a finger on, or that you'd rather >> ignore. > >We're under no obligation to be "civil" to you, since you've already >demonstrated you have no intention to be civil to us. You begin form >the assumption your myth is reality; sorry, we don't grant that >assumption. Too bad. > >> And for the record, your response in and of itself is more proof that >> the Bible is the truth in at least two more ways that I'll bother >> pointing out for others who are reading: > >Desperate to disguise the fact that you're merely dodging the request >for evidence, hmm? He knows he has none. And he can't live with that. >> One, you clearly seek to persecute anyone who speaks of Jesus Christ >> and God, which was predicted in the Bible: > >No, he clearly seeks to point out to any idiots stupid enough to make >unsupported assertions about their mythology in alt.atheism had better >put up or shut up. Time after time, such idiots fail to do either. > >> Mat 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute >> you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my >> sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in >> heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. > >Why do you think quoting from your mythology book will impress >atheists? Maybe you should read the whole thing before doing so >again. > >> You've just proved another part of the Bible is correct. And you do so >> every time you or anyone else insults someone for no other reason than >> professing Jesus Christ. He was lying yet again. He pretends being called a liar for lying, or an idiot for being an idiot, or nasty for his slanders about us, is "insult for no other reason than professing Jesus Christ" >Here's a friendly quote from your imaginary stick boy: >Matthew 10:14 >And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye >depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. > >> And two, clearly you're conscience is trying to tell you something. >> After all, if you were completely fine with personally believing God >> does not exist, you would not be so motivated with anger and hate to >> come here and insult so many people that you've never even met. > >Why is it so many theists make that statement when crossposting to >alt.atheism? Stupidity and nastiness. The root cause is that they can't cope with the real world outside their religion, where they are accustomed to getting a free ride from others who grant the same presumptions, share the same bigotry etc. >> Your >> own conviction to behave with such hate is more proof staring you >> right back at you in the mirror that's trying to tell you something. >> Listen to the guilt you make it sound like you're feeling, and why >> it's making you lash out with such hate. It sounds like you're not ok >> with believing God doesn't exist, along with any other atheists who >> lash out with such hate. > >Nice rationalization. Too bad it doesn't have anything to do with >reality, but then, that's true of at least one other of your beliefs I >can think of. He's a Christian. Which says it all. >> Good luck. I will pray for you. I suggest others do so as well. > >Huh. Are you aware what your bible says about praying? > >> Praise the Lord! > >Please do it elsewhere. Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 12:30 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > Gabriel wrote: > > On Apr 6, 11:35 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > > <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > Jesus performed miracles > > > > Really? Prove it. > > > It's in the Bible. > > Oops, you lose. Too bad circular logic is a fallacy. I guess that means you're wrong when you claim George Washington was our first president. Prove it! Oh, it only says so in a book. Using your logic, that means nothing, and hence it must be wrong that George Washington was our first president (using your logic that is, as we have no real 'proof'). But with the amount of hate you bring in all your posts, it's obvious you're not interested in rational discourse, as I've already pointed this example out and you ignore it only to spew insults. Good luck -- in the battle between me and your hate, your hate wins. But unfortunately, your hate will consume you as well. Your choice, of course. I will pray for you. Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1175879556.860601.62490@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 6, 12:49 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> Gabriel wrote: >> > On Apr 6, 11:45 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> > [All the vicious hate of Christopher's sniped] >> >> > Why all the hate, Chris? >> >> It isn't hate, it's lack of patience with one more sanctimonious moron >> in a long, virtually unending line of sanctimonious morons. > > And here you are bringing your own hate as well. How interesting that > the atheists I've seen so far all seem to have one thing in common: > they are full of hatred. I'm sorry hearing about Jesus Christ brings > out so much hate in you. You are free to not believe the Bible is the > Word of God. I wish you well in dealing with all the anger you feel > when other people are spreading the Gospel. I will pray for you. No problem, Toodles. I'll think for you. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 12:30 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > > > Praise the Lord! > > In an atheism newsgroup? Which one do you suggest we "praise"? Ask your fellow atheist why he posted in our newsgroup. I was merely responding to this thread, and it was one of your friends that cross- posted it in bible and religious newsgroups. If you're bothered by hearing about Jesus Christ from non-atheists, I would take it up with your friend who put it in non-atheist newsgroups to begin with knowing this would happen. God Bless! Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> snip > Good luck -- in the battle between me and your hate, your hate wins. > But unfortunately, your hate will consume you as well. Your choice, of > course. I will pray for you. Fine. We'll think for you, you pompous ass. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On 6 Apr 2007 10:12:36 -0700, "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Apr 6, 12:49 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> Gabriel wrote: >> > On Apr 6, 11:45 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> > [All the vicious hate of Christopher's sniped] >> >> > Why all the hate, Chris? >> >> It isn't hate, it's lack of patience with one more sanctimonious moron >> in a long, virtually unending line of sanctimonious morons. > >And here you are bringing your own hate as well. Where waqs that, liar? > How interesting that >the atheists I've seen so far all seem to have one thing in common: >they are full of hatred. Yet another lie. What they have in common is that they aren't Christian and have to put up with a barrage of in-your-face stupidity and slander from psychopaths who can't think outside their religion. > I'm sorry hearing about Jesus Christ brings >out so much hate in you. It doesn't, liar. What actually happens is that we no longer put up with stupidity and nastiness from "Christians" like you. > You are free to not believe the Bible is the >Word of God. Prove it is before assuming that's the default in the real world outside your religion. Which includes proving your god called God is real while Shiva, Osiris, Zeus, Odin, Mithras and all the others aren't. > I wish you well in dealing with all the anger you feel What "anger", liar? >when other people are spreading the Gospel. You have nothing to spread except your legs. > I will pray for you. More deliberate, sanctimonious nastiness. Your pretend friend doesn't bring out hate in anybody but Christians like you, sanctimonious nasty hypocrite. You hate people outside your religion because they don't believe what you do. >Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 12:30 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > Gabriel wrote: > This is so sad. You're unaware there's actual documented evidence, > some even from eyewitnesses, that George was a real person and was > really president? How unfortunate for you. Really? Are you unaware that there's actual documented evidence, some even from eyewitnesses in the Bible? It's all merely "documentation" friend, and any fallacy of documentation you ascribe to the Bible would also have to apply to every other piece of "fact" you "believe" in now that you got the same way. And continue further back in time to other facts you 'believe' to be true about other things and events. 300 years ago. 500 years ago. If you do, you'll realize you have the same 'proof' leading ot your 'belief' that it's true as we have believing in Jesus Christ and God. So you can either choose to believe that the Bible is a lie, and also believe all others books and documents are lies that you've ever read, as they speak of things you can no longer witness for yourself, or you can choose to do some soul searching, or you can choose to just throw another few dozen insults all in the name of feeling better about yourself so that you can remain blind to the obvious. So far you've been picking the third choice. I continue to pray for you. Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> snip > Ask your fellow atheist why he posted in our newsgroup. I was merely > responding to this thread, and it was one of your friends that cross- > posted it in bible and religious newsgroups. If you're bothered by > hearing about Jesus Christ from non-atheists, I would take it up with > your friend who put it in non-atheist newsgroups to begin with knowing > this would happen. God Bless! Too lazy to trim headers, huh? Typical. Here, I'll do it for you, you pompous ass. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:18:58 -0700, scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: >Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > Jesus performed miracles >> > >> > Really? Prove it. >> >> It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" >> would simultaneously discredit all other knowledge you claim that's >> only shown in books and no longer around us. This is a gross oversimplification to the point of falsehood. Like the equivalent writings of the other religions, it is a work of religious propaganda heavily edited to support a religious belief. Whether it is the bible, the scriptures from any of the other religions or even the Greek myths, it is merely a statement of what their believers believe. For anything in it to be accepted as fact it needs secular corroboration. But there isn't any - otherwise they would not need to merely cite the bible. >As opposed to what? "It's in the Bible, so it's true"? He's not going to accept it what a Hindu, Muslim etc cites their holy writings as proof that their beliefs are real. None of which is rocket science. >As far as I can tell that sums up your entire argument, and believe me >when I tell you we've heard that bullshit a million times before. His argument includes things like "it's all around you if you're honest enough to admit it". And "anybody who explains why what I say is bullshit" does so out of hatred. >This is why people have been insulting you, calling you a moron, because >you come here with nothing more original than "it's in the Bible, so it >must be true". Then you get upset when you are attacked. If you have >something interesting (or even original) to say then say it, otherwise, >stop wasting our time. The last thing we need is another Dittohead for >Christ. "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh" - Robert A Heinlein Intelligent believers (of whom there are plenty) realise this and understand that non-Christians see Christian miracles, legends, beliefs etc in much the same light non-Hindus (including Christians) see the Hindu beliefs, legends etc. And it's not just atheists, it's everybody else outside the religion. Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 1:11 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" > > Fine. So where's the objective, verifiable evidence that it's true? Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history facts from the past few thousand years that you do "believe" are true as well? And have you seen them? No? And yet you believe everything else you gotten the same way: from books, while wanting to assume the same methods are not enough and that this particual similar method is just flat out completely false when it comes to the Bible! People are using circular logic when it's convenient, creating your own brand of "hypocritical logic". Are you going to respond with the end all "you're a pompous ass" again to make your point? I hope you can rise above such hate and ignorance. God Bless! Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 1:29 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> > > snip > > > Good luck -- in the battle between me and your hate, your hate wins. > > But unfortunately, your hate will consume you as well. Your choice, of > > course. I will pray for you. > > Fine. We'll think for you, you pompous ass. Unbelievable. Would you have preferred "I won't pray for you" .. or "I hope you burn in hell"?! Wow it's amazing how some people, when full of hate, can only deal in hate. For fear of triggering more hateful reactions out of you: I hope life holds for you all the great things you want it to. God Bless! Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Uno-Hoo! Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message news:1175810047.302758.71160@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > Bill M wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message >> news:1175632098.792754.327060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the >> >> actual >> >> existence of millions of atheists. >> >> >> >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the >> >> atheists and send them to his Hell. >> >> >> >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly >> >> communicate >> >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of >> >> its >> >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing >> >> the >> >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. >> > >> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of >> > atheists? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> What does this Bible story have to do with the question? Why wouldn't a >> loving god demonstrate his existence and eliminate atheism? > > Because "god" isn't bound by logic, justice, or reason. Ah - so your god is illogical, totally lacking in justice and is also unreasonable? !! Uno-Hoo! Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On 6 Apr 2007 10:33:54 -0700, "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Apr 6, 12:30 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: >> Gabriel wrote: > >> This is so sad. You're unaware there's actual documented evidence, >> some even from eyewitnesses, that George was a real person and was >> really president? How unfortunate for you. > >Really? Are you unaware that there's actual documented evidence, some Then provide it. You'll be the first. >even from eyewitnesses in the Bible? It's all merely "documentation" >friend, and any fallacy of documentation you ascribe to the Bible >would also have to apply to every other piece of "fact" you "believe" >in now that you got the same way. Then "eyewitness" is another word you don't understand. There is no evidence outside the Christian tradition for Jesus, and none whatsoever for God. >And continue further back in time to other facts you 'believe' to be >true about other things and events. 300 years ago. 500 years ago. If >you do, you'll realize you have the same 'proof' leading ot your >'belief' that it's true as we have believing in Jesus Christ and God. Another straw man. Nobody "believes" these things in the same way you believe in your pretend friends. >So you can either choose to believe that the Bible is a lie, and also >believe all others books and documents are lies that you've ever read, >as they speak of things you can no longer witness for yourself, or you >can choose to do some soul searching, or you can choose to just throw >another few dozen insults all in the name of feeling better about >yourself so that you can remain blind to the obvious. Why don't you address people's actual positions, instead of inventing different falsehoods? We're not Christians. We are in the real world where Christianity is not substantively different than all the other religions out there. If Y O U think we should believe something because somebody else's religion says so, YOU have to explain why we should. Without reference to presumptions that only people inside the religion grant. > So far you've >been picking the third choice. Why do you continue to lie about us? Nobody is "blind to the obvious" apart from yourself, who can't comprehend the real world outside his religion, nor his religion's place in it. Let alone for the slanderous reasons you invent. > I continue to pray for you. More deliberate, sanctimonious stupidity. >Praise the Lord! Why? Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 1:18 pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Jesus performed miracles > > > > Really? Prove it. > > > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" > > would simultaneously discredit all other knowledge you claim that's > > only shown in books and no longer around us. > > As opposed to what? "It's in the Bible, so it's true"? No. But for you who keep repeating "it's just in the book, so it's NOT true" is illogical. To use that logic is to discredit all knowledge you currently "believe" as well, where your only proof is "it was in a book, and I believe it". Many people will not believe in the Bible. Few will believe. Jesus Himself said: Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Even God points this out in His word. So your disbelief is not surprising. I did not believe as of year ago for my entire life. I would have NEVER guessed that I'd believe. After all "no one can make me believe" I thought to myself. And then it happened, and I CANNOT explain why things just started to make so much sense! Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On 6 Apr 2007 10:44:50 -0700, "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Apr 6, 1:11 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" >> >> Fine. So where's the objective, verifiable evidence that it's true? > >Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history >facts from the past few thousand years that you do "believe" are >true as well? And have you seen them? No? And yet you believe >everything else you gotten the same way: from books, while wanting to >assume the same methods are not enough and that this particual similar >method is just flat out completely false when it comes to the Bible! Learn the difference between "conclude from the historical process" and "believe", so you can stop equivocating with yet another standard fundy dishonesty. >People are using circular logic when it's convenient, creating your >own brand of "hypocritical logic". Are you going to respond with the >end all "you're a pompous ass" again to make your point? I hope you >can rise above such hate and ignorance. When are you going to be honest and stop attacking your own falsehoods that you make up about others? >God Bless! Nobody sneezed, moron. >Praise the Lord! Stop wanking. Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 1:34 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > Too lazy to trim headers, huh? Typical. Here, I'll do it for you, you > pompous ass. The amount of hate you spew is amazing and somewhat sad and speaks volumes about your current state. I leave you to continue on in hatred. as is your wish. I hope things get better for you. I wish you well. Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Jesus performed miracles > > > > > > Really? Prove it. > > > > > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" > > > would simultaneously discredit all other knowledge you claim that's > > > only shown in books and no longer around us. > > > > As opposed to what? "It's in the Bible, so it's true"? > > No. But for you who keep repeating "it's just in the book, so it's NOT > true" is illogical. To use that logic is to discredit all knowledge > you currently "believe" as well, where your only proof is "it was in a > book, and I believe it". Sigh... I guess it's my turn to call you a moron. Didn't want to, but when you write idiotic things like this, you leave me no choice. Apparently you were an ideal target for conversion, which was exactly what happened in your case. You have a very limited ability to discuss religion rationally, and resort to idiotic (and incorrect) statements like "But for you who keep repeating "it's just in the book, so it's NOT true"...". Clearly there's no point in any further discussion with you. Goodbye, moron. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1175881490.781291.291110@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 6, 1:11 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" >> >> Fine. So where's the objective, verifiable evidence that it's true? > > Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history > facts from the past few thousand years No, no, no. Answer the question. Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that the bible is true. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest duke Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:59:00 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: >The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual >existence of millions of atheists. Nah, that's just proof that the world is full of idiots. duke, American-American "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 1:54 pm, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote: > On 6 Apr 2007 10:33:54 -0700, "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > >On Apr 6, 12:30 pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote: > >> Gabriel wrote: > > >> This is so sad. You're unaware there's actual documented evidence, > >> some even from eyewitnesses, that George was a real person and was > >> really president? How unfortunate for you. > > >Really? Are you unaware that there's actual documented evidence, some > > Then provide it. > > You'll be the first. It's in a book. The same place all your documented evidence is: in books. Are all the facts you "believe" in false as well because they're only verifiable via books? Of course not. Yet you want to use this logic to act like it makes the facts in the Bible (a book) instantly false. Please realize you are choosing what to believe in and what not to believe in. You are choosing to believe all these other books are facts. Yet you are also choosing to believe books that talk about Jesus Christ are false. Convenience, nothing more. You are choosing to reject God. You may choose this all you want. But understand that hypocritical logic is not convincing when trying to act like the Bible is false. You don't want to believe? That's your choice. Try to act like you know the Bible's false? That's flat out hypocracy given how you have so many other beliefs with identical evidence to base your choice off of. And look around you. Life. Birth. Logic of nature. The sun. The planets. Perfect orbits. Perfectly sustained life on earth. No seeming ability for human life to be sustained elsewhere. That is evidence of a divine creator. Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Even the Bible speaks of this evidence all around you. But people choose to reject even that evidence that is physically around them daily, and they will be without excuse, choosing to believe lies: Rom 1:21-22 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, The Bible is amazing and quite clear. The evidence is physically all around us. Just thinking about the obviousness of it all is awe- inspiring! So good luck to you. Maybe one day you'll come to realize the truth as I unexpectedly did. God Bless! Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 2:14 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1175881490.781291.291110@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > On Apr 6, 1:11 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > >> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" > > >> Fine. So where's the objective, verifiable evidence that it's true? > > > Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history > > facts from the past few thousand years > > No, no, no. Answer the question. Where's the objective, verifiable evidence > that the bible is true. It's the same objective, verifiable evidence that makes all those books you "believe" in true as well. Where's all the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history books are true that you believe in? Why is it you cannot answer that question? Because in order to discredit the Bible with that logic, you simultaneously discredit most of the other things you "believe" is true based on faith in the books you read. That hypocritical logic to discredit the Bible does not work. And see the other post. Physical evidence is all around you. Life. The planets, Perfect Orbits. The sun. Perfectly sustained life here on Earth. The perfect order of things. Birth. The natural laws operating all around us. We are blind if we do not see this is an obvious sign of a divine creator. Rom 1:18-20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse There's nothing more to say. I wish you well. God Bless! Praise the Lord!! Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1175881655.181364.138320@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 6, 1:29 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> >> >> snip >> >> > Good luck -- in the battle between me and your hate, your hate wins. >> > But unfortunately, your hate will consume you as well. Your choice, of >> > course. I will pray for you. >> >> Fine. We'll think for you, you pompous ass. > > Unbelievable. Would you have preferred "I won't pray for you" .. or "I > hope you burn in hell"?! \ How about, nothing? How about "bye"? That would have worked quite nicely. Wow it's amazing how some people, when full > of hate, can only deal in hate. Projection duly noted. > For fear of triggering more hateful reactions out of you: Liar. You couldn't care less what you trigger. If you did, you wouldn't keep responding. > I hope life holds for you all the great things you want it to. LOL, yeah, sure you do. God > Bless! Obviously, you could have left this bullshit out. Keep trying; maybe you'll get it right next time. Good luck. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Quote
Guest Gabriel Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On Apr 6, 2:12 pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: > > Sigh... I guess it's my turn to call you a moron. Didn't want to, but > when you write idiotic things like this, you leave me no choice. Spoken like a true person that has no point, has nothing to fall back on, can't counter an obvious statement, so you resort to insults. Not surprising, but I must say it's sad. > Goodbye, moron. Take care. You might want to consider why conversations about Jesus Christ brings out hatred in you rather than an attempt to refute a point that was right there in front of you. You leave everyone no other choice than to realize you can't refute it. And of course, similar to other ahteists I've seen so far, you resort to hatred. Good luck to you! God Bless! (You have to wonder if there are ahteists out there who don't resort to hatred?! I would imagine there has to be, but in these newgroups, haven't seen one yet. So I suspect these that we've seen want others to become atheists so that they, too, can live in hatred?) Praise the Lord! Quote
Guest Christopher A.Lee Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 On 6 Apr 2007 10:55:25 -0700, "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Apr 6, 1:18 pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: >> Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > > > Jesus performed miracles >> >> > > Really? Prove it. >> >> > It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" >> > would simultaneously discredit all other knowledge you claim that's >> > only shown in books and no longer around us. >> >> As opposed to what? "It's in the Bible, so it's true"? > >No. But for you who keep repeating "it's just in the book, so it's NOT >true" is illogical. To use that logic is to discredit all knowledge >you currently "believe" as well, where your only proof is "it was in a >book, and I believe it". Once again, that is your straw man. Why not address the actual position, that being in the same class as the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Vedas, the Eddas, etc, events in it need secular corroboration. Please show you are at least trying to understand this, and the difference between this and your straw men. >Many people will not believe in the Bible. Few will believe. Jesus >Himself said: > >Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, >and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be >which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the >way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Why do you imagine this proves anything, outside your religion? >Even God points this out in His word. So your disbelief is not More question-begging. You meant to say "the mythical character God from Christian mythology, says in the same mythology....". >surprising. I did not believe as of year ago for my entire life. I >would have NEVER guessed that I'd believe. After all "no one can make >me believe" I thought to myself. And then it happened, and I CANNOT >explain why things just started to make so much sense! Praise the Lord! And you wonder why you are treated as the brainwashed idiot you show yourself in every post you make? If you didn't believe once, you would know just how stupid it is to cite your religion as proof of itself in the real world outside it. Quote
Guest stumper Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Robibnikoff wrote: > "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1175881490.781291.291110@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> On Apr 6, 1:11 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: >>> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> It's in the Bible. And to act like "its only in a book, so its false" >>> Fine. So where's the objective, verifiable evidence that it's true? >> Where's the objective, verifiable evidence that all the history >> facts from the past few thousand years > > No, no, no. Answer the question. Where's the objective, verifiable evidence > that the bible is true. Stop crossposting everything to alt.atheism. Atheism of your hateful kind is not welcome anywhere. -- ~Stumper Quote
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