ISLAM,ask your questions.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

AIG... that's 36 hours and no answer... I guess she went and blew herself up!

[TWorld PoliceA]

I think the Islam religion is the most dangerous and the biggest threat to western civilization and Democracy that we have ever faced! Their beliefs are just not compatible with human rights, women have no rights at all, non believers have no rights at all (if not just killed). They hate western civilization, they say its poison to their people and we have infidel ways and are un Godly, the anti-American crowd around the World dont want to see this, they want to believe that Muslims only hate Americans, the Muslims view the west as an evil beast and the USA is the head of the beast and if you cut the head off the beast the best dies, every time you hear Bin Ladin or any extreme Muslim talking they never fail to mention "the west", they mention the USA most because we are obviously the thorn in their ass! We are the ones that are leading the way against their crazy views of the World!

 

Muslim clergys in the Middle East have for years preached for Muslims to migrate to the west and for the Muslims already living in western Countries to multiply faster than the other race/religions to become the majority in the Countries! There was a pregnant female Muslim in France last year that bragged that her child would one day be a part of the Muslim Government that would lead France! When this happens and the French are under a Mullah type Government and women have to wear sheets over their bodies or else DIE, DONT ASK FOR OUR HELP! We saved you from the Germans and you shit on us in return, but we wont save you from the barbarian Muslims! You make your bed you ly in it...

 

Im not a religious person but people please, dont compare modern Christains to modern Islam! Christianity 100s of years ago had alot of blood on its hands but today its adapted to civilized, free people, Democracies very well, something Islam seem to cannot do! Some of the suicide bombers in London were born and raised in Britain! Your typical Christian family in the USA is a mom and dad and a few kids, a day will start with taking the kids to School, both parents going to work (a woman would be stoned to death in the middle east for working), after School the mom takes her sons/daughters to Football practice, Baseball/Solftball practice, Volley Ball practice etc., then take the kids for pizza, come home and watch a movie and on Sundays go to Church. Now in the Middle East your typical Islamic family day starts off with the good ol' wife taking your morning beating (now for you western Muslims were woman beatings are prohibited just buy the new book by An imam called "How to Beat Your Wife"), taking the son off to School (not the daughter, she stays home hid with her mother to pray 1500 times a day) to learn even more about the Kuran, dad goes off to work, they go to a Mosque 2/3 times a day, have a nice goat sacrifice once a week.

 

As for the Kuran teaching love and compassion as some fucking Muslims say, its just not true, it teaches violence! Theres ALOT of different sects of Islam and the Kuran says there will be 73 (70 something, I think 73) sects of Islam and only one will go to paradise and thats the MAJORITY, this explains why they are always killing each other! And no, Americans dont drive them to it, they have been doing it for CENTURIES!

[Jhony5]

To me all religious people are sepratist. Islam uses violence to extort power. Christianity uses politics in place of their once violent means of control. Maybe one day Islam will make this transition.

 

What I find curious about Islam is the hipocracy in their hierarchy. Western culture is labeled as evil due in large part to our dependance on material goods. But the sheiks and other oil rich members of Islamic society are infamous for their extravagant possesions. Ever seen Sadaams palace? Or the fleets of exotic cars owned by Saudi royalty? The biggest slam that muslim people give to Americans is our apedophilation for goods but any time muslims get rich they go ape shit with their spending.

 

Usualy the muslims that attack Americans for our possesions are the ones who have not a pot to piss in due to their corrupt government. Funny how that works ain't it?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

I think the Islam religion is the most dangerous and the biggest threat to western civilization and Democracy that we have ever faced! Their beliefs are just not compatible with human rights, women have no rights at all, non believers have no rights at all (if not just killed).

 

Our beliefs are not compatible with human rights?

So believing in God,His angels,His books,His messagers,The day of judgement... is not compatible with human rights?

 

I think holding people as prisoners without trial is not compatible with human rights.

Attacking someone's belief and forcing a girl to go against her religion(banning of hijab in france) is not compatible with human rights.

 

And women in Islam have more rights than any other woman practicing another religion.

 

The Qur'an places men and women on a similar relationship before God, and promises both the final goal of paradise for those who believe and do right (see Qur'an 3:195; 4:124; 16:19; 40:40). The Qur'an also speaks of similarity in terms of creation. God tells us that He created a single soul and from it its mate, then He made countless men and women from those two (see Qur'an 4:1) The Qur'an does not contain the belief that the man alone is created in the image of God(as your bible says). Because of this fundamental similarity between men and women, the Qur'an declares that women have rights similar to the rights against them according to what is equitable (see Qur'an 2:228).

 

In a time when women were devalued and female infants were buried alive, the Qur'an raised the value of women and prohibited female infanticide. Due to the Qur'an, this practice was abolished, but in recent times advances in the science of genetic selection has encouraged some unbelievers to practice a modern form of female infanticide.

 

The Qur'an also abolished the practice whereby inheritance went to only the oldest male heir. Instead, a woman can inherit from her father, her husband, and her childless brother (see Qur'an 4:7, 32, 176).

 

In Islam when a woman gets married she does not surrender her maiden name, but maintains her distinct identity. Some Muslim women have adopted the surnames of their husbands, but this is due to cultural influence, not Islam.

 

In a Muslim marriage the groom gives a dowry to the bride, not to her father. This becomes her private property to keep or spend, and is not subject to the dictates of her male relatives. Any money she earns or receives is similarly her very own.

 

Under Islamic Law a woman cannot be married without her consent. She has final approval on a marriage partner and she can repudiate a marriage arranged without her consent. She also has the right to initiate a separation from marriage if her rights under marriage are not being granted. Widows have the right to remarry, and they are in fact encouraged to do so.

 

The Qur'an places on men the responsibility of protecting and maintaining their female relatives. This relieves women of the need to earn their own living. It also means that a man must provide for his wife even if she has money of her own. She is not obligated to spend her money in the maintenance of her family. Incidentally, a woman is also not required to cook for her family, although she may do so out of love and compassion. The example of our noble prophet, on whom be peace, is that although he was such a great leader, he assisted in the housecleaning and mended his own clothes.

 

In return for the added responsibility, the Qur'an gives men the degree of leadership (see Qur'an 2:228; 4:34). This does not mean that men should dominate women, but rather that they should deal with them in kindness, mercy, and love (see Qur'an 4:19; 30:21).

 

No rights? I think I as a muslim woman declare your statement as being BULLSHIT!

 

As for the ''unbelievers''.You have rights.You have the right of not being attacked if you don't attack us.

 

''Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes.Verily,Allah loves those who deal with equity''

''It is only as regards to those who fought against you on account of religion,and have driven you out of your homes,and helped to drive you out,that Allah forbids you to befriend them.And whosoever will befriend them,them such are the Zalimun(wrong-doers)''60:8-9

 

''Not all of them are alike;a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right,they recite the verses of Allah (God) during the hours of the night,prostrating themselves in prayer''

 

''They believe in Allah and the Last Day;they enjoin Al-Ma'ruf(Monotheism)and forbid Al Munar(polytheism and disbelief);and they hasten in (all) good works;and they are among the righteous.''

 

''And whatever good they do,nothing will be rejected of them;for Allah knows well those who are Al Muttaqun(the pious).'' 3:113-115

 

Im not a religious person but people please, dont compare modern Christains to modern Islam!

 

Remember,there is no ''modern'' Islam.We chose not to change the words of God to suit us.

 

 

Christianity 100s of years ago had alot of blood on its hands but today its adapted to civilized, free people, Democracies very well, something Islam seem to cannot do! Some of the suicide bombers in London were born and raised in Britain! Your typical Christian family in the USA is a mom and dad and a few kids, a day will start with taking the kids to School, both parents going to work (a woman would be stoned to death in the middle east for working), after School the mom takes her sons/daughters to Football practice, Baseball/Solftball practice, Volley Ball practice etc., then take the kids for pizza, come home and watch a movie and on Sundays go to Church.

 

Oh how sweet. Sin your way through the week and repent on sunday.And the cycle continues.What a perfect religion.You are definately going to heaven for sparing 1-2 hours of your week.

 

Now in the Middle East your typical Islamic family day starts off with the good ol' wife taking your morning beating (now for you western Muslims were woman beatings are prohibited just buy the new book by An imam called "How to Beat Your Wife"), taking the son off to School (not the daughter, she stays home hid with her mother to pray 1500 times a day) to learn even more about the Kuran, dad goes off to work, they go to a Mosque 2/3 times a day, have a nice goat sacrifice once a week.

 

um 5 times a day actually.And the men have to pray the same amount.

You are certainly full of Islamic knowledge.

 

 

As for the Kuran teaching love and compassion as some fucking Muslims say, its just not true, it teaches violence! Theres ALOT of different sects of Islam and the Kuran says there will be 73 (70 something, I think 73) sects of Islam and only one will go to paradise and thats the MAJORITY, this explains why they are always killing each other! And no, Americans dont drive them to it, they have been doing it for CENTURIES!

 

Oh please please,name the verse.

 

''And be not of those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them...''3:105

 

You guys love the 70's.72 virgins,70/73 sects..and both are claimed to be from the Quran.If so,why not share this knowledge of verse and chapter.hmmm?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

AIG... that's 36 hours and no answer... I guess she went and blew herself up!

 

Sorry to dash your hopes,I'm still here.

 

9:111 - "Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, they will slay, and be slain."

 

It says ''FIGHT for the cause of Allah''.

When you fight,there has to be an enemy combating with you.

Blowing yourself up,doesn't fit into the criteria.If you had a brain filling that empty void of a head of yours,you'd think carefully about it!

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

What I find curious about Islam is the hipocracy in their hierarchy. Western culture is labeled as evil due in large part to our dependance on material goods. But the sheiks and other oil rich members of Islamic society are infamous for their extravagant possesions. Ever seen Sadaams palace? Or the fleets of exotic cars owned by Saudi royalty? The biggest slam that muslim people give to Americans is our apedophilation for goods but any time muslims get rich they go ape shit with their spending.

 

The hypocricy is in the men who do this.Islam has nothing to do with it.

Islam forbids extravagance.Charity is one of the 5 pillars of Islam.

Allah is the only King and it's wrong for any human to give themselves such a high status.

That's why I dislike royalty so much.

Charity in the Quran:see verses 2:196,263,264,270,271,273; 4:114;9:58,75,76-79,103,104;57:18;58:12,13.

 

I would appreciate it if people stop using Islam to describe what is commited by man.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

It says ''FIGHT for the cause of Allah''.

AIG, we are right here and reading it says slay and be slain! Damnit!

 

...If you had a brain filling that empty void of a head of yours,you'd think carefully about it!

If you had a brain, you wouldn't be involved in that sick murderous demonic cult you're in!

[Anna Perenna]

AIG, a serious question (once you are finished fighting with the angry young men on here, that is) and I am sorry if you have answered this question previously:

 

What do you think of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and her statements about women being oppressed?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

What do you think of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and her statements about women being oppressed?

 

I'm not gonna deny the fact that some women are oppressed,cos they are.But I don't get why people would blame a religion cos of the actions of misguided men who only want to dominate.

 

Since this thread is about Islam,do you believe it's Islam doing the oppressing or men who misinterprete everything to suit their desires,anna?

 

I don't know what to say about Ayan Hirsi.Partly because I haven't read everything she's said.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

AIG, we are right here and reading it says slay and be slain! Damnit!

 

You fool.If you're in a fight you obviously slay or be slain.sheesh

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

You fool.If you're in a fight you obviously slay or be slain.sheesh

You're still not reading... it says: slay and be slain. Blowing yourself up would fit neatly into that commandment of the pedophile prophet (mays piss be upon him).

[Hamza123]

Please... AIG, my friend. MRIH, could I just explain something?

 

I am a caring and loving muslim. I treat everyone by there character and not by there race or religion, it clearly says in Surat Al-Baqarah that the Christians and Jew's who believe in God and in the day of judgement will surley recieve there rightous and positive award. Please, stop fighting over this, the only way to know islam is to study the Koran with an open mind. Keep in mind that some of the Koran was burnt and Muhammad's relative salvaged what he could.

 

In the Koran it states too many times that Islam is a reminder of chrsitianity and judiasm. Please MIHR, I do not want to argue or fight with you. If you have any real or appropriate questions, do not hesitate at all to ask. Thank you for your time, as it is much appreciated. Salam ou' alaycoum; Peace be upon you.

[Hamza123]

Over the years the Koran has been distored very much, everyone is way too caught up to see the bigger picture, there are people in saudi chanting kill america and people from the west killing innocent civilians in Iraq.

 

The New York Times wrote a small article for each person that died in September 11th (3000). 26,000 to 30,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS have died in Iraq... Care to write those articles? And don't say no, we won't becuase the primary cause of these incidents is from the US Led Coalition... Everything seemed to be re-healing slowly yet surley until those ninteen so called muslims hoped on the plane and ran it into the world trade center... Please, educate yourselves on this subject! Islam is the religion of all religions and of all prophest. Asalm ou' alaycoum; Peace be apon you.

[phreakwars]

Buddy, you just done slipped into the WRONG debate forum, but I welcome you anyway and look forward to your comments.

 

Can't say the same for MRIH though.

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[Outlaw2747]

I admire his bravery but he's gonna get eaten alive. For your safety, you might want to stick close to AIG and daisypapaya.

 

As for me, I am just going to witness what shall unfold. Enjoy your stay.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Question for Hamza...

 

Is it good (or allowed) in islam to kill the appostate (the muslim who leaves his faith) to become a Christian or a Hindu?

 

If so, why?

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

You're still not reading... it says: slay and be slain. Blowing yourself up would fit neatly into that commandment of the pedophile prophet (mays piss be upon him).

 

Does blowing yourself up involve much combat,dumbass?

FIGHT!!!! Read the verse as a whole you ignorant toad!

 

Welcome Hamza,good to finally see more muslims.I've been in Kaafirville for too long.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Question for Hamza...

 

Is it good (or allowed) in islam to kill the appostate (the muslim who leaves his faith) to become a Christian or a Hindu?

 

If so, why?

 

May I answer?

[snafu]

Now I

[snafu]

Oh and Hamza..

Thanks for your level head.

My peace be apon you too.

[Hamza123]

Thanks for all the welcomes folks .

 

Thank you MRIH for pointing out a great question. I hope I have answered it in my below paragraph.

 

Most definitley NOT. Allah was the one who created these people so you're just going to provoke Allah's anger. This is said many times in the Qur'an. The Qur'an, no matter who, classifies people under the religion. When it says the Christian or Jewish disbelievers, it means those who were Christian and Jewish and now have went astray. It's not the disbelivers who are Christian or Jewish, it's the disbelievers who have come from or claimed to be a Christian or Judiast... JUST LIKE, the disbelievers who claim to be Islamic but kill innocent civilians... I have said this before in my first post, Islam is only the reminder of the Christian and Jewish faith. For you see, we believe in all the prohpets of Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam. We believe in the gospel (ingil) also.

 

MRIH, a question for you.

 

Do you think that God will send those who put the worst reputation to Islam (Islamic terrorists) in heaven? I think not my friend, but what about you? For you see, Islam is the most feared and mis-understood religion in the world as of this day. So you see, the vast majority of Islamic people are not terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorsts claim to be Islamic. I am regretful of what these people have done, rather than negotiating with the rest of the world and fullfilling Islam, they choose to commit suicide, and kill innocent civilians, everything has gone haywire, and if the rest of the world can't see what Islam really is and these terrorists stop killing people, I think we're all doomed.

[Hamza123]

Thank you SNAFU! Umm, the thing is, is that the Koran that was salvaged has NOT been changed yet the implication of it's rules have been distorted. So in a way you are correct. And Aslam ou' alaycoum wu rahmutu'lahi wa barakatu; Peace and blessings be apon you.

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

It is true that God, heavily frowns upon apostacy in the Quran but it is always a case between God and the apostate - not for us Muslims to judge, nowhere is the layman Muslim told to take God's judgement into our own hands. On the contrary, the horror of these verses from the Bible make the Quran's alleged cruelty and Prophet Muhammad's alleged sword, look very pale in comparison.

 

 

 

EX 21:12 Whoever strikes a man so that he dies is to be put to death--except that, in some cases, God will appoint a place to which the offender may flee instead.

 

EX 21:15 Whoever strikes his father or mother is to be put to death.

 

EX 21:16 Whoever steals a man is to be put to death. (Note: This is in spite of the fact that a father can sell his daughter into slavery; see EX 21:7-11.)

 

EX 21:17, LE 20:9, DT 21:18-21 A child who curses his parent(s) is to be put to death. A stubborn and/or rebellious child is to be put to death.

 

EX 22:18, DT 18:10 A witch or sorcerer is to be put to death.

 

EX 22:20 Anyone who sacrifices to other gods must be destroyed.

 

LE 20:10-12, DT 22:22 Adulterers (in some cases) must be put to death.

 

LE 20:13 Practicing male homosexuals are to be put to death. (Note: Female homosexuality is not considered in the OT though it NT. See RO 1:26-32.)

 

LE 20:14 If a man has sexual relations with both his wife and his mother-in-law, all three of them must be put to death.

 

LE 20:15-16 If a person engages in sex with an animal, both the animal and the person must be put to death.

 

LE 20:27 A medium or wizard is to be put to death.

 

LE 21:9 If a priest's daughter becomes a prostitute, she is to be burnt with fire.

 

LE 24:16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord must be put to death.

 

NU 3:10 An unauthorized person who acts as a priest must be put to death.

 

DT 13:2-5 Anyone who causes someone to turn to another god must be put to death.

 

DT 13:6-10 A man is required to slay his friends and members of his own family who are guilty of worshipping another god.

 

DT 17:12 A man who shows contempt for a judge or priest must be put to death.

 

DT 18:20-22, EZ 14:9 If a prophet's words do not come true, he is a false prophet and must be put to death. This is true even if he has been deceived by God himself.

 

DT 22:23-24 A betrothed virgin who is seduced in the city is to be put to death unless she cries for help.

 

MK 10:2-12, LK 16:18 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery. (LE 20:10-12, DT 22:22 in turn say, adulterers are to be put to death)

 

RO 1:26-27, 32 Men and women who commit unnatural sexual acts deserve to die.

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Thank you SNAFU! Umm, the thing is, is that the Koran that was salvaged has NOT been changed yet the implication of it's rules have been distorted. So in a way you are correct. And Aslam ou' alaycoum wu rahmutu'lahi wa barakatu; Peace and blessings be apon you.

 

I'm confused too.When did the Quran burn?And where did you get this information?

And I believe your statement not to be true because the Quran was compiled after the death of the Prophet.

The Prophet used to repeat the verses to his companions.Some wrote it down but most kept it in their heart. And remember,these were man who breathed only for their religion.Nothing was lost.

 

Peace be upon you too

[Hamza123]

There are further evidences of whole surahs said to be missing from the Qur'an as it is today. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, one of the early authorities on the Qur'an text and a companion of Muhammad.

 

I have hears somewhere but I don't know if it's true that 90 Surahs will be revealed on the day of judgement.