PMS...justified?

[Ruse]

Yes, everyone is responsible for their own actions.

I happen to be one of those people that not only am I an untreated bipolar, but I have the worst cycle of anyone I know. I throw up, I feel sick, etc., and that's gotta make me look like a wet cat. I know it because at the moment, I am just that.

Asmodai will attest to this: I was the most depressed person in the world today and I jumped down someone's throat just because they told me I was in a mood swing. The poor kid didn't know what hit 'em. Lucky he was on the phone. I am like the weather that makes the Weather Man on 7R look like a damn idiot. I have been known to do the most irrational things, BUT....

PMS is used as a blanket phrase, these days. "Oh, my girlfriend is mad, she's PMSing..."

 

Girls are NOT always mad, irritated, or depressed on their period. Sometimes, MOST times, you can't even tell the difference.

What a dumb thing to say, that someone is "PMSing"....

[angie]

Yes, everyone is responsible for their own actions.

I happen to be one of those people that not only am I an untreated bipolar, but I have the worst cycle of anyone I know. I throw up, I feel sick, etc., and that's gotta make me look like a wet cat. I know it because at the moment, I am just that.

Asmodai will attest to this: I was the most depressed person in the world today and I jumped down someone's throat just because they told me I was in a mood swing. The poor kid didn't know what hit 'em. Lucky he was on the phone. I am like the weather that makes the Weather Man on 7R look like a damn idiot. I have been known to do the most irrational things, BUT....

PMS is used as a blanket phrase, these days. "Oh, my girlfriend is mad, she's PMSing..."

 

Girls are NOT always mad, irritated, or depressed on their period. Sometimes, MOST times, you can't even tell the difference.

What a dumb thing to say, that someone is "PMSing"....

 

Well why are you untreated? Sounds relatively irresponsible to me.

[Ruse]

My parents are very conservative and refuse to belive that "Oh, God, there's something wrong with her". Plus, I'm not around them enough for it to click with them. They are way too preoccupied.

They don't believe there's ADD, OCD, ADHD, etc. Any mental disorder.

[angie]

My parents are very conservative and refuse to belive that "Oh, God, there's something wrong with her". Plus, I'm not around them enough for it to click with them. They are way too preoccupied.

They don't believe there's ADD, OCD, ADHD, etc. Any mental disorder.

So you've been diagnosed and your parents refuse to let you be treated? Is that what's happening here?

[Ruse]

Heh. Yep. Pretty much. They hate phsychiatric doctors. And liberals. They think they're the same thing.

[tizz]

A friend of mine had various diagnosed disorders and because of her reactions to ALL the drugs she had been given she decided to take herseof off of them and used various techniques to get over them. I also know someone who experience ill effects of bipolar and Manic0Depressive treatments and found that a very strict change in diet to certain things seemed to control his levels (AND he was able to keep the manic parts that he liked without ill efect) If you are seriously interested, if you give me a little more info I can contact him to find out the treatments and diests he used. He lieves with a doctor of natural medicine who also happens to have a degree in child psychology and natural and organinc nutrition (ya he is a proffessional student I know, there are a few more degrees I can't even remember) so everything he did was under supervision, but it worked.

 

So if oyu are interested contact me.

[Ruse]

I have read about that. I did tons of studies on this, when I actually heard this. I thought about going natural, and that way my parents wouldn't flip out, but really, I think it adds character.

Actually, being manic depressive keeps my muse alive, so I sort of appreciate it. Manic Depressive people have survived quite well independently from drugs before; I never complained about it, really. I myself have always hated substances that alter from who one truly is.

I just mentioned it because perhaps it skews my input a bit, because of the added hormones during each swing and cycle.

[tizz]

The diet is loosely based on teh ketogenic diet for epileptics. It still allows for the highs of the manic stages (without the uncontroled insanity and insomnia) while stifling the depressive end. Basically it keeps you level without keeping you boring. It uses various protiens and metals found in various foods but it is VERY strict!

[phreakwars]

Bullshit. Pure bullshit. Don't make me fucking start on Ruse. I'll tell you all about fucking manic depression little girl.

 

Don't listen to tizz and her fucking retarded rant on bullshit voodoo fucking therapy for those who allegedly need it either, I have never seen her more fucked in the head then in any other post.

 

Pure fucking bullshit idiocy.

 

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[Msixty]

problem: PMS

 

solution: take a pill, or shut the fuck up

 

think its some huge disease? think the mental disorders should make you any less of a criminal? think again, its YOUR disease, and YOUR problem, if you kill someone because of hormones, than you need to be put away, not let loose to let your ab-normal body to fuck someone else's life up.

[Vortex]

Then let me throw a gay spin on this.....cuz its just what i do

 

 

Im gay......its not my fault i wasnt forced into it

 

if i murder someone for calling me a fag..........

 

can i plead the gay insanity cuz its not my fault?

 

 

Where exactly are the lines being drawn here???!?!?!?!?!?

 

 

man straight people are fucked up!

[ToriAllen]

The cramps are real. The headaches are real. The bloating is real. The bleeding is real. Do YOU want to feel like this for a guaranteed five days every month? Yeah so we get a little agitated at times. It's not exactly fun. Not an excuse to be a megabitch, but a little cranky.

That is not PMS. That is normal. PMS is not a normal disorder, hense the term disorder. AHHHHH!!!!

I give up on you people. Your little brains keep bringing this around to the slang definition of PMS, which is not used in the Medical or Legal world. PMS has nothing to do with cramps or headaches.

[ToriAllen]

Then let me throw a gay spin on this.....cuz its just what i do

 

 

Im gay......its not my fault i wasnt forced into it

 

if i murder someone for calling me a fag..........

 

can i plead the gay insanity cuz its not my fault?

 

 

Where exactly are the lines being drawn here???!?!?!?!?!?

 

 

man straight people are fucked up!

Just out of curiosity, do you consider it a mental disorder like PMS?

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Of course it (homosexuality) is a disease, just like schizophrenia or cancer.

 

You could also label Acoholism as an "Alternate Lifestyle" and have drunk parades and pass laws to allow the sots to marry their whiskey, but it's still a disease.

 

I think it is (well was now) stupid to impose sodomy laws against them. To criminalize a disease is insane. And as long as their disease doesn't effect anyone, who cares? Let'em fuck each other in the ass... Let'em get married, too!

 

My sister is a lesbian (yes, I think she's diseased, but it is her disease not mine. If she wants treatment, good... If not, well that's her damn buisness). She and my mother don't get along, If something happened to her (God forbid) like an incapicating infermity, her care would legally fall on her mother (which she doesn't trust). However, if she were married to her girlfriend of over 20 years, that burden would legally fall onto her spouse, whom she does trust.

 

So I say:

Homosexuality is a disease.

Gay marriage should be legal.

 

... and I see no conflict in these two statements.

[ToriAllen]

My sister is a lesbian (yes, I think she's diseased, but it is her disease not mine. If she wants treatment, good... If not, well that's her damn buisness). She and my mother don't get along, If something happened to her (God forbid) like an incapicating infermity, her care would legally fall on her mother (which she doesn't trust). However, if she were married to her girlfriend of over 20 years, that burden would legally fall onto her spouse, whom she does trust.

 

Do they not have a civil union? Civil Unions should come with all of the legal rights and responsibilities as marriage.

[Vortex]

Just out of curiosity, do you consider it a mental disorder like PMS?

 

 

no i dont consider either a mental disorder....

 

 

I consider blaming something else for your own actions a mental disorder. Far too many people in this world do not take responsibility for their own actions.

[ToriAllen]

no i dont consider either a mental disorder....

 

 

I consider blaming something else for your own actions a mental disorder. Far too many people in this world do not take responsibility for their own actions.

PMS is a mental disorder that people have distorted to mean and apply to something it is not. Just like moron, once a perfectly acceptable medical term referring to a person with a mental age of 12, has been distorted to apply to anyone we think is stupid.

I also think everyone is responsible for their own actions, disorder or not. Disorders should be treated, and if a person chooses to avoid or discontinue treatment then it is their own fault. I am simply trying to explain that PMS in this case is not the PMS that people are thinking of when they hear it. A person with PMS should be treated like any other person with a mental disorder, as funny and strange as it sounds given the slang definition.

[tizz]

But like many mantal disorders, the one suffering is not as likely to be aware of the problem as others. Also the stigmas attached to any dosorder often sway people away from seeking help.

[angie]

That is not PMS. That is normal. PMS is not a normal disorder, hense the term disorder. AHHHHH!!!!

I give up on you people. Your little brains keep bringing this around to the slang definition of PMS, which is not used in the Medical or Legal world. PMS has nothing to do with cramps or headaches.

Did I anywhere in that post state that it was PMS?

No. I didn't. Jesus. And secondly, PMS itself is relatively common. SEVERE PMS isn't.

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2228.html

Many women experience Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS), that is, discomfort, irritability, even mood shifts, before their period. For some, PMS interferes a bit with day-to-day activities. However, a small percentage of women experience severe physical and emotional distress that can be debilitating. Women with these symptoms can be diagnosed with Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder (PMDD).

 

PMDD is believed to be caused by an imbalance of serotonin, a chemical found in the brain. The normal cyclical changes in female hormones may interact with serotonin, causing the imbalance and resulting in the mood and physical symptoms of PMDD. Similar to testing for PMS, blood or other diagnostic tests are not available to tell if a woman has PMDD. Health care providers often diagnose this disorder by having a woman keep a daily journal for at least two months. In this daily journal, she keeps track of the dates of her period, also noting her physical, emotional, and behavioral changes/symptoms throughout her cycle. Providers generally evaluate the journal to rule out the possibility of any mood or mental disorder that may get worse before menstruation. Women receive the diagnosis of having PMDD when their symptoms match a range of criteria that are listed in the DSM-IV, otherwise known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, published by the American Psychiatric Association.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001505.htm

PMS is estimated to affect up to 75% of women during their childbearing years.

It occurs more often in women between their late 20s and early 40s, those with at least one child, those with a family history of a major depression disorder, or women with a past medical history of either postpartum depression or an affective mood disorder.

As many as 50-60% of women with severe PMS have an underlying psychiatric disorder.

So yes, PMS DOES effect many women. Not PMDD. Sounds like you have the two confused.

[ImWithStupid]

I don't care if PMS is a mental disorder or a physical disorder. It isn't a reason to get away with murder and the slime of a lawyer that even put this idea in their client's head and presented it in court should be shot.

[ToriAllen]

Did I anywhere in that post state that it was PMS?

No. I didn't. Jesus. And secondly, PMS itself is relatively common. SEVERE PMS isn't.

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2228.html

 

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001505.htm

 

So yes, PMS DOES effect many women. Not PMDD. Sounds like you have the two confused.

I can guarantee you, that for it to be used in court, they are not talking about the cramps and moodiness. They are referring to severe PMS.

Sorry, my sources are old-fashioned books, so I will have to type it out and give a reference

[ImWithStupid]

Torri,

 

All of what you said might be true but what I am trying to say is that even if this falls under one of the most severe cases of PMS and she was the moodiest and most irriatable person alive, it isn't an excuse to kill someone nor should she be aquitted based on that. I will agree that the level of irritablility probably helped her go over the edge and at the very least the PMS may be a reason she went over the edge but she still needs to be tried in court for killing another person and this isn't something that would make her unfit for trial.

[ToriAllen]

Torri,

 

All of what you said might be true but what I am trying to say is that even if this falls under one of the most severe cases of PMS and she was the moodiest and most irriatable person alive, it isn't an excuse to kill someone nor should she be aquitted based on that. I will agree that the level of irritablility probably helped her go over the edge and at the very least the PMS may be a reason she went over the edge but she still needs to be tried in court for killing another person and this isn't something that would make her unfit for trial.

I have already said that she is responsible and should be treated just like anyone else with a disorder. People who have mental disorders still do time, they just get treatment before they are put in the pin, or they are given meds while they are in. They don't get off Scot free. People who plead guilty to crimes, insanity or not, are rarely acquitted.

My only point was that this is not the PMS that most people are thinking of when they hear the term. It is a little more than irritability. It is depression and in some cases psychosis, otherwise it would never have been allowed as a plea in the first place.

[ImWithStupid]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premenstrual_stress_syndrome

 

 

 

PMS in jurisprudence

As a term of jurisprudence, this may be used as a so-called "innovative defense" via which a defendant may argue that she should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law.

 

In the United Kingdom (1980), Christine English was found "not guilty" of murder; as, although she killed her boyfriend, she was suffering from PMS.

 

In the US, the Fayetteville Observer-Times reported (June 7, 1991) that Geraldine Richter (Fairfax, Virginia) had been acquitted of drunk driving charges, because of PMS, despite a 0.13% blood-alcohol level. A gynecologist testified on Richter's behalf.

 

Torri,

 

I understand what you are saying, but it sounds like in these cases (murder and drunk driving) the main reason these women were aquited was because of the "PMS defense". It shouldn't be a defense for commiting a violent crime let alone drunk driving.

[fullauto]

But a woman with a really bad case (and I mean, a severe rise in testosterone levels) of PMS is honestly out of her mind.

 

She has no control over what she does.

 

The insanity plea should be applicable, at least.

 

I look forward to you all cutting me down and telling me to shut the fuck up, now.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

But men have testosterone levels AT LEAST that high all the time, and if we commit a murder, our blood chemistry is not a deciding factor as to whether we should be charged....

 

OJ's testosterone was probably 10 times as high as the worst PMS case ever to grace the earth.... but that didn't stop LA from charging him!

 

Equality.... aint it a bitch!