angie Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 http://www.nbc30.com/education/5010286/detail.html ONTARIO, Calif. -- A 14-year-old student was expelled from a Christian school because her parents are lesbians, the school's superintendent said in a letter. Shay Clark was expelled from Ontario Christian School on Thursday. "Your family does not meet the policies of admission," Superintendent Leonard Stob wrote to Tina Clark, the girl's biological mother. Stob wrote that school policy requires that at least one parent may not engage in practices "immoral or inconsistent with a positive Christian life style, such as cohabitating without marriage or in a homosexual relationship," The Los Angeles Times reported in Friday's edition. Stob could not be reached for comment by the newspaper. Shay and her parents said they won't fight the ruling. School administrators learned of the parents' relationship this week after Shay was reprimanded for talking to the crowd during a football game, Tina Clark said. Clark and her partner have been together 22 years and have two other daughters, ages 9 and 19. Statement From School Superintendent The school's superintendent, Len Stob, released the following statement: Thank you for your inquiry regarding a student that had been enrolled at Ontario Christian School. The student is not attending Ontario Christian, as the family does not meet admissions criteria. The ministry of Ontario Christian is to promote discipleship of Jesus Christ as defined by the Bible and consistent with historical Christianity. The school forms a voluntary partnership with parents who seek the same discipleship. Therefore, the school requires that at least one parent be a confessing Christian and active in the local Christian church. In this case, the parent does not meet the criteria by participating in a homosexual relationship. We regret that this relationship was disclosed at the time of admission, as that information would have prevented enrollment and the occasion for misunderstanding. The mission of Ontario Christian school is to provide for the children of Christian parents a Biblically-based, quality education that nurtures students to grow in knowledge, conviction and maturity; therefore, our focus is to equip students with the vision and skills to engage all relationships and culture under the authority of Jesus Christ. ( The word "not" was not included in the superintendent's statement.) I understand that this is a private school and that they can reject whomever they want for whatever reason. However, who are they to decide who is a better Christian than the next? Why should this girl be punished because of her parents' sexual preference? Sounds like she lives in a more stable household than most children of heterosexuals. How many heteros stay together for 22 years in this day in age? I am sick of the discrimination. It's nauseating. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 Well considering christianity, as an organization of sorts, generally frowns upon homosexuality I am not surprised. I know three girls expelled in their senior year from a catholic school because they got pregnant (two of them even married the fathers but were not allowed to stay at the school) You could also get thrown out if it was revealed you had an STD (no sex before marraige) but you COULD do all the drugs and drinking you wanted (they are not cadinal sins apparently) LOL Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
angie Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 Well considering christianity, as an organization of sorts, generally frowns upon homosexuality I am not surprised. I know three girls expelled in their senior year from a catholic school because they got pregnant (two of them even married the fathers but were not allowed to stay at the school) You could also get thrown out if it was revealed you had an STD (no sex before marraige) but you COULD do all the drugs and drinking you wanted (they are not cadinal sins apparently) LOL I suppose I'm not all that surprised. I'm just disappointed that their thinking hasn't budged a single bit. The thing that surprises me the most is that the GIRL isn't a lesbian. Her parents are. Guess that's just as bad in their eyes. Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
tizz Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I wouldn,t be surprised if the personal thinking of the administrators was less uptight, but these schools get a lot of their money from the church and the church has an obligation to uphold the ideals they preach. I am more surprised the women chose to send thier child to a christian school. They HAD to have known what would happen Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
ImWithStupid Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 There is obviously no argument since it is a private school whether they can kick this girl out. The parents probably should have expected it and maybe if they had been up front with the administration at the school then they would have known to enroll their daughter somewhere else. Then she may not have to go through the stress of the publicity and looking for a new school. I am not a homophobe but if you have an alternative lifestyle don't push the limits or test the waters using your children. Quote
cynthiaa89 Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I wouldn,t be surprised if the personal thinking of the administrators was less uptight, but these schools get a lot of their money from the church and the church has an obligation to uphold the ideals they preach. I agree. If a chruch they were getting funding from found out, they'd probably cut them off a good bit. That probably has a LOT to do with it. Quote "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
Asmodai Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I talked about this at school, actually. They have every right to kick her out, although they're flaming assholes for doing it. But... they're a private school, that's their choice. And although there ARE laws determining rights/policies that all schools have to have, not discriminating against kids of certain cultural niches isn't in there. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a terrible state of mind for the school to be in, being in a same-sex relationship at the moment. But hell, it says in the entry documents that you can't have homosexuals in your immediate family, and the parents did try to get her in there. They were setting the kid up for failure, if you ask me. That, and she mentioned it at a game, apparently. So, it's bullshit, but they have every right to do it. Quote I'm not angry. I'm an asshole.
ParasiteGod Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I'm all for Gay-rights etc, but I have to agree. Maybe she should keep her mouth shut while shes attending a RELIGIOUS PRIVATE SCHOOL. Quote I want to report a double murder. If you go one mile east on Columbus Parkway to the public park, you will find kids in a brown car. They were shot with a 9mm Luger. I also killed those kids last year. Good bye Brooks, I like you. Now get out of here. Go home.
cynthiaa89 Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Seriously! That would have been the best choice. Quote "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
Asmodai Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Or have her parents send her to a school that they know she won't have to keep secrets in. Quote I'm not angry. I'm an asshole.
TerroristHater Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 http://www.nbc30.com/education/5010286/detail.html I understand that this is a private school and that they can reject whomever they want for whatever reason. However, who are they to decide who is a better Christian than the next? Why should this girl be punished because of her parents' sexual preference? Sounds like she lives in a more stable household than most children of heterosexuals. How many heteros stay together for 22 years in this day in age? I am sick of the discrimination. It's nauseating. If this had happened in the USA, that school and it's retard super intendant would be getting sued six ways from Sunday. As far as I am concerned, the school and it's SI are both dispicable and should be closed down. -TH Quote I'm not having a tantrum...I'm not...I'm not...I'm not...I'm going to sue your ass...whawwwwwwww. Iran's useless government will disarm or be destroyed. As a matter of personal preference; I prefer the latter. FUCK IRAN, FUCK TERRORISTS, AND FUCK ALL THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM!!!
TerroristHater Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 There is obviously no argument since it is a private school whether they can kick this girl out. The parents probably should have expected it and maybe if they had been up front with the administration at the school then they would have known to enroll their daughter somewhere else. Then she may not have to go through the stress of the publicity and looking for a new school. I am not a homophobe but if you have an alternative lifestyle don't push the limits or test the waters using your children. If I wasn't such a nice guy, IWS, I would start an idiot-box poll involving you and this rather poor example of behavior. Shame on you for supporting discrimination. -TH Quote I'm not having a tantrum...I'm not...I'm not...I'm not...I'm going to sue your ass...whawwwwwwww. Iran's useless government will disarm or be destroyed. As a matter of personal preference; I prefer the latter. FUCK IRAN, FUCK TERRORISTS, AND FUCK ALL THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM!!!
ImWithStupid Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 I'm not supporting discrimination. I don't agree with what happened. I am just saying that as a private school they have the right to exclude the family for going against the schools bylaws, especially since the rule about at least one parent abiding by Christian beliefs was already on the books, whether doing so is right or wrong. Quote
tizz Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 If this had happened in the USA, that school and it's retard super intendant would be getting sued six ways from Sunday. As far as I am concerned, the school and it's SI are both dispicable and should be closed down. -TH It has and does happen in the US. The govt cannot get involved in what a religious organization will allow. I mean it's not like it is secret what a religion believes about homosexuality. If you don't like what they believe then don't go. If they are not funded by the state or govt then the state andgovt can say NOTHING Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
ParasiteGod Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 It DID happen in the USA Ontario CALIF. Not Canada. Quote I want to report a double murder. If you go one mile east on Columbus Parkway to the public park, you will find kids in a brown car. They were shot with a 9mm Luger. I also killed those kids last year. Good bye Brooks, I like you. Now get out of here. Go home.
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Thats christianity for you. "Your beautiful, god/jesus loves all his little fishies.... except some.....even tho he sais he does...we just refused to believe it." What i want to know is why would a lesbian send their child to such a school full well knowing it states you cant have homosexuals in their family.. less they were wanting it to happen because they were lesbian attention whores... Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
angie Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 Thats christianity for you. "Your beautiful, god/jesus loves all his little fishies.... except some.....even tho he sais he does...we just refused to believe it." What i want to know is why would a lesbian send their child to such a school full well knowing it states you cant have homosexuals in their family.. less they were wanting it to happen because they were lesbian attention whores... LESBIAN VERSIONS OF TIZZ!! NOOOOO!! (Love ya Tizzy) 1 Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To
Vortex Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 LESBIAN VERSIONS OF TIZZ!! NOOOOO!! (Love ya Tizzy) throw in a double dose of PMS on the same cycle and were really in trouble! Less they are artistic and it could be creative fingerpaint Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?!
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 LESBIAN VERSIONS OF TIZZ!! NOOOOO!! (Love ya Tizzy) LMAO but no I am not so stupid, noe am I so hard up for $$ that I would set my kid up so that I could present a lawsuit in her behalf But funny as hell (and damn scary. A lesbian version of me would scare the crap out of me) Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
Asmodai Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Tizz... a lesbian version of you would scare the crap out of LESBIANS. Quote I'm not angry. I'm an asshole.
TheJenn88 Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 That's sad, but when it comes down to it, the school has the complete right, and in some ways, obligation to uphold the standards that they set themselves by. Still, I don't agreewe with the rule. Quote
tizz Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 That's the beauty of private schools. If you don't agree with their morals you are under no obligation to register Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester
eisanbt Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 Wouldn't it be interesting to set up a privet school wherein you taught bigotry, political manipulation, complete intolerence towards/action against other beliefs/religions, violence towards women and the superman theory. You could probably get away with it for quite some time. And even more interestingly if it were teaching instead violence towards men...white men in particular... Nothing like conditioning your own little army of intolerent monsters being supported not only by their parent's jack-assery but by the administration and other students attending the school, a group which is oh so VERY influencial in a child's developpment. Then ofcourse there is post-secondary institutes which turn the children (AKA the soldiers of narrow minded rich folk) into productive tools for inserting their beliefs unto the masses that are our socities. Bob Johnson comes to mind...Now why is that? Quote http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards" -Lewis Carroll
eddo Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 There is obviously no argument since it is a private school whether they can kick this girl out. The parents probably should have expected it and maybe if they had been up front with the administration at the school then they would have known to enroll their daughter somewhere else. Then she may not have to go through the stress of the publicity and looking for a new school. I am not a homophobe but if you have an alternative lifestyle don't push the limits or test the waters using your children. Best.Answer.Ever. Quote I'm trusted by more women.
Lethalfind Posted October 10, 2005 Posted October 10, 2005 So your saying that a private school could say that no black people can be admitted, you know that would be challenged and rightly so. No private organization can make a rule like that. Gay people are treated as a special interest group in some states, therefore if pursued I question if this decision would stand. Although I can't imagine that the student would feel good about remaining there. As a parent I wouldn't want my child in a school so backward as that. I have tried to teach my daughter that the differences in us all make things more interesting. The difference in Gay people and Muslims is that Gay people don't blow people up who don't beleive in them and they aren't trying to convert people to their way of living because their way is the only way. Any group that beleives in live and let live, is all good with me. When a group starts sticking their nose into my life too far, then I get a bit pissed. Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom.
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