Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 "Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:0f5j13hnluv4guh9o83kvmkpji81cboh8a@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:22:47 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" > <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > > > > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:e8ih13hvlek965312oh0fegsl5ovs4s1vt@4ax.com... > > > >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:59:11 +1000, "Ned Flanders" > >> <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >> > > >> >There are plenty of usenet shills that have ~all~ the answers. > >> >Despite the fact that diesel fires wont melt high tensile steel. > > > >> <LOL> not melt, just make them bend enough.... > > > >That sort of seems to reflect the issue here, now doesn't it Steve? > >If there had been some "bending" and toppling, and a few sections > >of the undamaged structural grade steel remaining erect, we probably > >wouldn't be having this conversation. > > > > > > Bending of structural steel in a building can bring it down, you silly > jackass. The only jackass here, is the one who joyfully overlooks that 90% of the steel in all three buildings was completely undamaged. "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." -- G.W. Bush, Gridiron Club dinner, Wash., D.C. March 2001 Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:32:59 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message news:46186048$0$22073$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... >> >> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message >> news:86DRh.383$3P3.281@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> >> >> > And the guy who got fired ? >> > Who was he ? >> >> >> Kevin Ryan was the guy I am referring to. >> I understand that his company were responsible for >> certifying the steel used in the twin towers, possibly >> not the case for WTC 7. >> However building regulations require >> the same/similar regulations and WTC7 would have had the >> same or similar high tensile structural steel. > > >I am aghast that there are apparently adults living in this word >who not only do not understand structural grade steel alloys, >but some even think that they can burn or bend at the behest >of a little kerosene and office furniture. > Ignorance is bliss... Isn't it David Morgan? If you had a clue, you'd still not be dangerous except to yourself. Go somewhere and learn something before you talk about it..... Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 "Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:hj5j13t66btrmqhhmf021rdeh0ldth33vf@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:25:08 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" > <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > > > > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> sputtered forth in message... > > > >> No one with any brains even suggests that it was mysterious. As I mentioned... the issue is the weak brain capacity of the typical observer. Those with intelligence and the ability to rationalize, coupled with a modicum of education, can see right through the official story scams... regardless of the number of idiotic shill such as yourself who by choice prefer to remain ignorant. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_account_of_9/11 > > > > http://www.answers.com/topic/researchers-questioning-the-official-account-of-9-11 > BTW, Wikipedia isn't a good source...any loon can edit it.... Then use the other one dumbass.... why do you suppose I included it? Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 "Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:nn5j13hn5f3n80h8vum82jch1u2mbuf06e@4ax.com... > On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:28:09 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" > <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > > > > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:964j13ll3f62hc1pj2db25lhgebnkko2b0@4ax.com... > > > >> <LOL> ...and with that, the loon thrust his head even deeper into > >> it's own ass. > > > > > >Unless you offer something besides personal attacks and insults, > >you're short lived on these lists. > > <ROTLMAO> I've been around laughing at you loons for a very long > time.... And I am willing to gamble that you have yet to prove a single point, and make an alternative bet that over 90% of your posts contain no information what-so-ever, and a side bet that at least 80% of your posts contain personal insults and assaults on character or credibility. > > No one has the time to deal with > >the children who are too inexperienced to use their brains. > Unless you offer something besides loony fantasies and unsupported, > illogical rhetoric, you're going to get laughed at.... What a poor fool you are........... "Eventually, fascism will come to America... under another name...... it may even be called anti-fascism ......." Huey Long 1932 _______________________________________________________ http://www.911sharethetruth.com/ http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/index.html http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Resources.html http://www.reopen911.org/ http://patriotsquestion911.com/ http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org http://www.911weknow.com/linkspage.htm http://question911.com/links.php http://www.flight77.info/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_account_of_9/11 http://www.answers.com/topic/researchers-questioning-the-official-account-of-9-11 http://www.WingTV.net http://911truth.org http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Interrogating_9-11_Five_Years_On.html http://worldtradecentertruth.com/ 911 FOR THE TRUTH: http://www.911forthetruth.com 911 RESEARCH: http://911research.wtc7.net The Science: Fires and Buildings: 911 PHYSICS http://www.physics911.org FIREFIGHTERS VS 911 COMMISSION <http://www.911lies.org/fire_fighters_911_wtc_tapes.html> Muslims suspend laws of physics: http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_ii.htm Network in Britain and Ireland which agregates the efforts of all those campaigning in Europe for 911 truth. http://www.nineeleven.co.uk http://www.vestigialconscience.com/ Misc. archived conspiracy evidence Project for a New American Century Planned Iraq War Long Ago.... Information Clearing House http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm MSNBC Article: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6814437 The Project's Web Site http://www.newamericancentury.org/ 9-11 and the IMPOSSIBLE http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm The Implosion (so-called 'collapse') of WTC Building 7, coupled with the absence of substantiating evidence of a 757 crashing into the Pentagon are probably the biggest government screw-ups. More links to Bldg 7 and the Pentagon mixed in below. http://www.911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/evidence/usgs_hotspots.html http://www.wtc7.net/background.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html EXPLOSIVES?? http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/powerdown.html http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Tower2Pulled.mp3 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Tower1Pulled.mp3 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.ann.thompson.cars.wmv http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.wtc.secondary.explosions.jeffrey.beatty.wmv http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 The World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terrorism http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm News and Resources on 9/11: 911 ONLINE RESEARCH http://www.cooperativeresearch.org 911 REVIEW http://www.911review.org (available in multiple languages) 911 TRUTH Los Angeles http://www.911truthla.us 9/11 VISIBILITY PROJECT National Campaign Center http://www.septembereleventh.org American Free Press: http://www.americanfreepress.net/ KILLTOWN 911 REVIEW http://killtown.911review.org Karl W. B. Schwarz - Online Journal - Great Source on Financial Basis for 9/11 http://onlinejournal.com/ PORTLAND INDEPENDENT MEDIA CENTER http://portland.indymedia.org UNANSWERED QUESTIONS http://www.unansweredquestions.org INTERNATIONAL CITIZEN'S INQUIRY INTO 9/11 http://www.911inquiry.org PETITION OF SOLIDARITY http://justicefor911.org "WHAT FAILED" -On Plague Puppy: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Confronting%20the%20Evidence/what_failed_and_how.htm Conspiracy News Net http://www.conspiracynewsnet.com/ http://www.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/ Hijacking Catastophe - http://207.44.245.159/article6895.htm Black Boxes coverup http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BUN410B.html Failure to defend America: (more of Paul Thompson's Timeline) http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/essayairdefense.html http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0306/S00031.htm 9-11 Motivation http://www.antiwar.com/orig/utley7.html 911: Coincidence Theory The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/60/5a/200408231012.3bb72110.html Dov Zakheim, Pentagon Comptroller, ran drone plane company. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=53486 Craig Hill's New Video: "Treason, Inc." Craig Hill documents the lies and actions of the Bush adminstration that amount to treason. Order here: http://www.hillsenatenow.org/ Some Alternative News Sites: CITIZENS FOR LEGIT GOVERNMENT http://legitgov.org MICHAEL RUPPERT'S http://www.fromthewilderness.com MARK CRISPIN MILLER'S http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ http://www.alternet.org/ http://www.yellowtimes.org/ http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml http://www.antiwar.com http://www.iraqwar.org/ http://www.tvnewslies.org/ http://www.prisonPlanet.com http://www.Infowars.com http://www.libertyforum.org The Emperors New Clothes http://www.tenc.net/ Some Conspiracy Theory Sites: 911 CITIZEN'S WATCH: http://www.911citizenswatch.org 911 STRIKE http://www.911-strike.com 911 SKEPTICS UNITE http://911skeptics.blogspot.com 911 SHARE THE TRUTH http://www.911sharethetruth.com PROPOSITION 911 http://www.proposition911.org SCOTT LEDGER'S TRUTH SITE: http://www.scottledger.com Scientific Evidence that Official 9/11 Story is a Lie http://www.ditrianum.org/Artikelen/artikel33en.htm Videos and Media: 911 BUSTERS http://www.911busters.com http://www.911busters.com/911-Commission.html DOWNLOAD VIDEOS HERE: http://question911.com/links.php SNOWSHOE DOCUMENTARY FILMS http://www.snowshoefilms.com/911coverup.html Watch the movie 'September 11 Revisited' online at http://www.twf.org -- click on link in left hand column; or see: http://www.911revisited.com/ 911 TRUTH RADIO http://www.911truthradio.com VIDEO ANALYSIS BY ALEX JONES: WTC7 - THE HIDDEN STORY OF BUILDING: 7 http://www.wtc7.net IN PLANE SITE: http://www.911inplanesite.com LOOSE CHANGE: http://www.loosechange911.com/ http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html http://www.911busters.com http://www.libertybound.com http://www.infowars.com/videos.html#MOT http://www.infowars.com/videos.html http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm http://www.globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/coverup.html http://www.innworldreport.net http://www.911truthbristol.com/videos/films.html http://www.911tv.org THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES Part One - 59 Minutes <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8217638438978899371> Part Two - 59 Minutes <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2839463332690200955> Part Three - 59 Minutes <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240> "EagarBeavers and Faulty Towers" http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Confronting%20the%20Evidence/what_failed_and_how.htm Webster Tarpley audio interview (low bit rate... easy to stream on dial-up) http://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/_Tarpley_/CLOAK_TARPLEYNOV14.mp3 9/11 VISIBILITY PROJECT National Campaign Center: http://www.septembereleventh.org NEW YORK 9/11 Truth: http://www.summeroftruth.org or http://www.ny911truth.org Hot Politics - By Owen Whitman Libertarian website with many 9/11 and Iraq War articles. http://www.hotpolitics.com PENTAGON Until the wall collapsed, the hole in the Pentagon was a 17 ft circle (approximately) which penetrated 6 steel-reinforced concrete walls... directly into the newly beefed-up (structurally remodeled) area which was temporarily housing the NIS, who were then investigating the $2.3 TRILLION dollars in MISSING Pentagon funds. An issue, that like Enron, was immediately dropped from the news and swept under the carpet. Any public evidence of bodies or aircraft wreckage from the Pentagon is virtually non-existant. http://judicial-inc.biz/pentagon_flight.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm http://0911.site.voila.fr/ http://0911.site.voila.fr/index11.htm http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm http://www.loosechange911.com/pentagon.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1907955.stm http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/pentagon-911.htm http://www.serendipity.li/wtc3.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pentagon.html http://judicial-inc.biz/Dov_Zakheim_Fl_77.htm http://www.amics21.com/911/pentagon.html http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information http://www.PentagonResearch.com Thierry Meyssan, Original French Author Exposing the possible Pentagon Hoax http://www.pentagate.info/sommaire-en.html -- his website recently has been closed, but early news (April, 2002) of this Frenchman's book on the 'alleged' Pentagon crash is here... http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp (Now you know why we had "freedom fries" for so long) 911 SEISMIC DATA: Seismic data was, of course, COMPLETELY OMITTED from both NIST and FEMA reports. http://www.rense.com/general67/forensic.htm http://uscrisis.lege.net/911/ http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/hj07.html <2002> http://www.rense.com/general28/ioff.htm http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/seismic/WTC_PENT_KIM.htm http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf More on flight 93 http://killtown.911review.org/htb2.html http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=34 THE 911 OSAMA CONFESSION TAPE... Have you asked yourself the same question regarding the original Osama / 911 'confession' tape? A small child could determine that this was completely faked. http://www.viewzone.com/osama.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html http://www.mujca.com/osama.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/farenheit911michaelmoore.html http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/realityzone/UFNOsamatapefake.htm http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/001006.html http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/Osama%20bin%20CIA%20Agent.php?id=1521491 http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11633 http://www.ilaam.net/Sept11/TapeIsFraud.html Current Osama Info: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SCH20060601&articleId=2555 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15490 http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4592 http://educate-yourself.org/cn/osamafakedtape30may06.shtml http://www.rebelwarez.com/rebelblog/2006/09/08/bin-laden-tape-betrays-phony-hijacker-contradiction/ http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/PressRelease28May2006.html http://www.williambowles.info/spysrus/osama_fake.html http://www.ilaam.net/Sept11/TapeIsFraud.html http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=76&contentid=413&page=2 ON bin LADEN... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/ http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/030804fa_fact http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/02/05/usat-binladen-frustration.htm http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7932.shtml http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/cia-operative-says-bush-military-leaders-let-bin-laden-escape http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/24/pentagon.binladen/index.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/FJ26Ag01.html http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/let_laden_escape.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62618-2002Apr16¬Found=true http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html ON ZARQARI ... http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=2301 http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/us-allowed-zarqawi-to-escape/2006/04/30/1146335608444.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trey-ellis/who-will-finally-explain-_b_7585.html http://mediamatters.org/items/200410270007 http://www.democrats.com/zarqawi http://www.juancole.com/2005/12/one-that-got-away-cnn-is-reporting.html Where does GWB fit in? http://www.bushdid911.org WERE THE BUSH AND BinLADEN FAMILIES IN BUSINESS TOGETHER? http://www.oilempire.us/bush-binladen.html http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305 http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=971322003 http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_carlyle.html http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ http://www.judicialwatch.org/1685.shtml http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_family_link_to_bush.html http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WAL110A.html http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?011112fa_FACT3 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3308.htm http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0111-01.htm http://martiallaw911.info/archive/0-26-39.htm http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2004/03/11/unger_1/index.html OLDER BUSH'S - doing business with Germany in WW-II Dial-up: http://70.84.33.210/%7Einfomedi/video/previews/150305martialpreview_mdm.wmv DSL: http://70.84.33.210/%7Einfomedi/video/previews/150305martialpreview.wmv The Presidential "Signing Statement" dictatorship... http://www.abanet.org/media/releases/news072406.html http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610c.asp http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060113.html http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/signingstatements.php http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060721/21signing.htm http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/25/dobbs.july26/index.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1149361,00.htm http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/ http://www.coherentbabble.com/signingstatements/TOCindex.htm http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610c.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700145.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1828114,00.html?gusrc=rss http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=9222 http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/13/the-signing-statement-dictatorship/ And over one million more.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=George+Bush%2C+signing+statements&btnG=Google+Search "National Security Letters" (gag orders) silence patriots, courts, media & business as they pry into America's private side. http://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2005/20050824a.asp http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20060109.html http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nationalsecurityletters/index.html http://www.aclu.org/safefree/patriot/17458res20040929.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/05/AR2005110501366.html http://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles_2004/national_security_letters.html http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/13/Columns/National_security_let.shtml http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200512/120805.html And over 67 Million more.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=National+security+letter&btnG=Google+Search THE BOGUS FEMA AND NIST INVESTIGATIONS... This is the largest cover-up in American history, from a panel comprised mostly of Bush cabinet cronies with too many conflicting interests to be taken seriously. Who themselves, complain that there was too little money, too little time, and too much "pressure" to complete the report with enough accuracy. It's based on assumptions and contains overtly false information, and failed to answer the questions which when finally raised legally, forced the government to appoint the team... but long after the country was at was and the 911 evidence removed. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/1634 http://911research.wtc7.net/resources/books/index.html http://www.septembereleventh.org/ http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/911-WTC-NIST-Lies30mar06.htm http://www.911review.com/coverup/nist.html http://visibility911.libsyn.com/ http://www.answers.com/topic/researchers-questioning-the-official-account-of-9-11 http://www.organicconsumers.org/politics/911012306.cfm http://www.justicefor911.org/Contents_and_Evidence_111904.php http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=opedne_sheila_s_060329_9_2f11____eliminating_.htm http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=895 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405143535564 http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Interrogating_9-11_Five_Years_On.html http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=2040 http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=2010 http://worldtradecentertruth.com/Article_1_Ryan5.pdf#search=%22NIST%20report%20on%20911%2C%20Omissions%20and%20distortions%22 http://www.vtcommons.org/node/190 http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28070 http://911smokingguns.com/ http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=21137 VOTE FRAUD Vote Fraud MSNBC Video 2004 - http://www.vestigialconscience.com/5.countdown_56k.mov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy_and_irregularities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election_controversy%2C_exit_polls http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html http://www.blackboxvoting.org http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/40755/ http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/summary.html http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html http://vote2004.eriposte.com/ http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/031104votefraud.htm http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/2004_vote_fraud.html http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/voter_fraud.html http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm http://www.legitgov.org/coup_2004.html http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404X.shtml http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/united_states_voting_procedures.html http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/12/16/41c2fdb042ea1 Video / Bev Harris - http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/041104harris.htm http://www.counterpunch.org/swanson11082004.html http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/election_2004.html http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=84 http://www.truthinvoting.org/ http://blackvoternetwork.com/votefraud.htm http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/110504Chin/110504chin.html More links at http://www.squadron13.com/JackDresser/electionfraud.htm And at bottom... http://www.pamrotella.com/polhist/elections2004.html "We cannot accept this result as legitimate, because it does not meet international standards. We call for a full review of the conduct of the election and the tallying." --Colin Powell on the 2004 election Outraged republican moderates: http://www.outragedmoderates.org/Page4.html Who in current government served their nation in combat? http://www.awolbush.com/ http://www.awolbush.com/cheney.html http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=165 http://www.rackjite.com/chawks.htm http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/1999-01-07/columns2.html/1/index.html MEDIA CONTROL 5 companies (well, 6 really) control ALL of the media you see or hear in the United States. Each of these makes so much money that there is little chance of them hurting. You can view the information on the controlling interests below. These are tough times in America and many things about media (like conglomerates and control) seriously need to be fixed, so that this country isn't jointly spoon fed the lies which could lead to it's demise. http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.html ILLUMINATI... (Also referred to as: "The New World Order") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagendabestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/illuminati/ http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm http://www.geocities.com/francis_uy/halliburton.html http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html http://www.mysteries-megasite.com/main/bigsearch/luminati.html http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/bush/rituals.htm 'Illuminati' has been a part of world history for centuries and is highly threatening to a peaceful humanity. SKULL & BONES.... http://www.propagandamatrix.com/white_house_bonesman_leads_nation_into_the_dark.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/nworder03.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/skull-and-bones/ Casual commentary style reporting from March 28, 2006 "Eliminating the Impossible" By Sheila Samples http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_friendly.php?p=opedne_sheila_s_060329_9_2f11____eliminating_.htm Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 "Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message... > Ignorance is bliss... Isn't it David Morgan? > > If you had a clue, you'd still not be dangerous except to yourself. > > Go somewhere and learn something before you talk about it..... OK... it's obvious that you're a worthless and braindead shill.... you have offered nothing but bullshit attacks on character for two days in this thread, and eliminated all proof supplied to you, failed to address any of it, and provided none of your own. Bye-bye, pundit..... Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:34:53 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:0f5j13hnluv4guh9o83kvmkpji81cboh8a@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:22:47 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:e8ih13hvlek965312oh0fegsl5ovs4s1vt@4ax.com... >> > >> >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:59:11 +1000, "Ned Flanders" >> >> <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >There are plenty of usenet shills that have ~all~ the answers. >> >> >Despite the fact that diesel fires wont melt high tensile steel. >> > >> >> <LOL> not melt, just make them bend enough.... >> > >> >That sort of seems to reflect the issue here, now doesn't it Steve? >> >If there had been some "bending" and toppling, and a few sections >> >of the undamaged structural grade steel remaining erect, we probably >> >wouldn't be having this conversation. >> > >> > >> >> Bending of structural steel in a building can bring it down, you silly >> jackass. > > >The only jackass here, is the one who joyfully overlooks that 90% of >the steel in all three buildings was completely undamaged. > <ROTFLMAO> ...did the aliens tell you that? Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:38:57 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:hj5j13t66btrmqhhmf021rdeh0ldth33vf@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:25:08 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> sputtered forth in message... >> > >> >> No one with any brains even suggests that it was mysterious. > >As I mentioned... the issue is the weak brain capacity of the typical observer. >Those with intelligence and the ability to rationalize, coupled with a modicum >of education, can see right through the official story scams... regardless of >the number of idiotic shill such as yourself who by choice prefer to remain >ignorant. My choice is simply to laugh at loons like you.... >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Researchers_questioning_the_official_account_of_9/11 >> > >> > http://www.answers.com/topic/researchers-questioning-the-official-account-of-9-11 > >> BTW, Wikipedia isn't a good source...any loon can edit it.... > >Then use the other one dumbass.... Because all it does is quote Wikipedia >why do you suppose I included it? <LOL> Probably because you were too stupid read your cites and see that your second cite did nothing but quote your first cite. Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:42:46 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:nn5j13hn5f3n80h8vum82jch1u2mbuf06e@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:28:09 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:964j13ll3f62hc1pj2db25lhgebnkko2b0@4ax.com... >> > >> >> <LOL> ...and with that, the loon thrust his head even deeper into >> >> it's own ass. >> > >> > >> >Unless you offer something besides personal attacks and insults, >> >you're short lived on these lists. >> >> <ROTLMAO> I've been around laughing at you loons for a very long >> time.... >And I am willing to gamble that you have yet to prove a single point, I don't have any desire to prove anything, Loon. You're the one that's trying to make points and you're failing miserably. >and make an alternative bet that over 90% of your posts contain no >information what-so-ever, and a side bet that at least 80% of your >posts contain personal insults and assaults on character or credibility. I couldn't care less if no-one believes anything I say, Dumbass. My only purpose here is to poke fun at you loons.... >> > No one has the time to deal with >> >the children who are too inexperienced to use their brains. > >> Unless you offer something besides loony fantasies and unsupported, >> illogical rhetoric, you're going to get laughed at.... > >What a poor fool you are........... Irony anyone? <LOL> Snip of lots of worthless nonsense..... Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:48:04 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message... > >> Ignorance is bliss... Isn't it David Morgan? >> >> If you had a clue, you'd still not be dangerous except to yourself. >> >> Go somewhere and learn something before you talk about it..... > > >OK... it's obvious that you're a worthless and braindead shill... Irony anyone? you >have offered nothing but bullshit attacks on character for two days >in this thread, and eliminated all proof supplied to you, failed to >address any of it, and provided none of your own. What did you expect.... that I was going to argue with you? <LOL> Quote
Guest sandman Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 "Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message \ > Bending of structural steel in a building can bring it down, you silly > jackass. PLONK Quote
Guest orionca@earthlink.net Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:29:10 -0400, Steve <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote: >>I think the issue is the number of people who apparently don't have >>enough brains to see that it was not only suspicious, but intentional. >> > > >I think the issue is that a few of you loons have silly fantasies.... "A fiew"? -- I'm on a journey in search of myself. If I get back first, let me know that I'm looking for myself and don't let me leave. Quote
Guest Steve Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:05:33 -0700, orionca@earthlink.net rote: >On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:29:10 -0400, Steve ><stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote: > >>>I think the issue is the number of people who apparently don't have >>>enough brains to see that it was not only suspicious, but intentional. >>> >> >> >>I think the issue is that a few of you loons have silly fantasies.... > >"A fiew"? Well, all of the loons.... which is not very many people.... Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message > news:ev5a03$c8c$1@panix5.panix.com... > > <chomp> > >>>Cite for the steel guy. > > > > Kevin Ryan was the guy I am referring to. > I understand that his company were responsible for > certifying the steel used in the twin towers, possibly > not the case for WTC 7. That's a claim Ryan made. It wasn't true and he was subsequently fired for it. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message > news:57r6olF2e8lsnU1@mid.individual.net... > > > <chomp> > > >>>Kevin Ryan was the guy I am referring to. >> >>I listened to him speak today. It was very enlightening. >> >> >>>I understand that his company were responsible for >>>certifying the steel used in the twin towers, possibly >>>not the case for WTC 7. >> >>The collapse of WTC 7 is far more problematical though. The building >>was designed to be considerably sturdier than the overdesigned Towers. >> >>No one has yet offered an explanation/model for its mysterious demise. > > > > There are plenty of usenet shills that have ~all~ the answers. > Despite the fact that diesel fires wont melt high tensile steel. How many times do you need to told it didn't have to melt before you finally catch on to the fact that it didn't have to melt? Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Tankfixer wrote: > In article <2RYRh.644$vo2.352@trnddc01>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm mumbled > >>"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> ... >> >> >>>Hey, learn how to read headers and get the quotes right. >> >> >>Sorry Steve... I don't see a number of people's posts due to >>the filtering of brain-dead shill. I was responding to Dykes via >>your quote of him, and I cut the wrong attribution... my bad. > > > Kind of dishonest of you to filter someone and then try to respond to > them. He's been doing it for a long time. It allows him to avoid direct confrontation on his claims. He's a coward. Quote
Guest Greyspoof the flounder Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:58:38 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote: >Ned Flanders wrote: > >> "Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message >> news:57r6olF2e8lsnU1@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> <chomp> >> >> >>>>Kevin Ryan was the guy I am referring to. >>> >>>I listened to him speak today. It was very enlightening. >>> >>> >>>>I understand that his company were responsible for >>>>certifying the steel used in the twin towers, possibly >>>>not the case for WTC 7. >>> >>>The collapse of WTC 7 is far more problematical though. The building >>>was designed to be considerably sturdier than the overdesigned Towers. >>> >>>No one has yet offered an explanation/model for its mysterious demise. >> >> >> >> There are plenty of usenet shills that have ~all~ the answers. >> Despite the fact that diesel fires wont melt high tensile steel. > >How many times do you need to told it didn't have to melt before you >finally catch on to the fact that it didn't have to melt? Ned doesn't know how to respond to that.... It's not like he's thought any of this through... Actually, it's like he could think it through... Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: > "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message news:46186048$0$22073$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > >>"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message >>news:86DRh.383$3P3.281@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> >> >> >>>And the guy who got fired ? >>>Who was he ? >> >> >>Kevin Ryan was the guy I am referring to. >>I understand that his company were responsible for >>certifying the steel used in the twin towers, possibly >>not the case for WTC 7. >>However building regulations require >>the same/similar regulations and WTC7 would have had the >>same or similar high tensile structural steel. > > > > I am aghast that there are apparently adults living in this word > who not only do not understand structural grade steel alloys, > but some even think that they can burn or bend at the behest > of a little kerosene and office furniture. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70177&page=5 Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 George Orwell wrote: > In article <RRmRh.6298$ya1.216@news02.roc.ny> > Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>George Orwell wrote: >> >> >>>In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38...@news.optusnet.com.au> >>>"Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"Vandar" <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Ned Flanders wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the >>>>>>building". >>>>> >>>>>That's a lie. >>>> >>>>Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? >>>>You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy >>>>of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first >>>>53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. >>>>Watch it for yourself. >>> >>> >>>This is for your own good!! >>> >>>http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=hkx4KRIAAADWLLQBBm73pUVxtzkgkp7U8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg&scoring=d&hl=en >>> >>>Look at all of his 9/11 posts. He has an ulterior motive. No one would ever exert as much energy as Vandar >>>does on 9/11 related posts as a way of passing time. >> >>Unless there was some sort of personal reason. >> >> >>>You will get nowhere with Vandar the shill. He and other shills frequent alt.conspiracy "debunking" >>>9/11. >> >>Being debunked is exactly why David no longer addresses me. It's why he >>runs around usenet warning people not to engage me on the topic of 9/11 >>conspiracy. He's outmatched by someone who has donehis homework on the >>topic. Google is not David's friend. >> >> >>>A PsyOp. >>> >>>Don't say I didn't warn you!! >> >>Correct. Post a lie or ridiculous theory pertaining to 9/11 and if I see >>it, I will annihilate it. > > > > LOL, you are so clueless, Vandar the shill. I have you shills clusterfucked ... totally. Really, you think I'm David? That isn't what I said, stupid. I said "Being debunked is exactly why David no longer addresses me..." because David is NOT who I was speaking to. > My real firstname doesn't resemble anything close to being David. But I'll give you a hint: It starts with an N. Ok, Nancy. > I am someone you have never came across as a regular poster on Usenet. I will not allow shills like you to "get to know me in > real life." I am way too smart for that to happen. Now, if you are so smart, tell me who I really am. Come on, show me your > true intellect!! Why would I give a shit who you are? You can't even understand that when someone someone mentions David while speaking with you, that doesn't mean they think you're David. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 wolvesslasher wrote: > Vandar;1394271 Wrote: > >>Ned Flanders wrote: >> >> >>>"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:gGmRh.6297$ya1.4556@news02.roc.ny... >>> >>> >>>>What Silverstein said was: >>>>"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, >> >>telling >> >>>>me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the >>>>fire. and I said 'you know, we've such a terrible loss of life, maybe >>>>the smartest thing to do is pull it', and they made that decision to >>>>pull, and we watched the building collapse." >>> >>> >>> >>>Right on que! >>>From fully erect to pancake-flat in a few seconds. >>>Must have been majik fires! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>They have since explained it further: >>> >>> >>>They have since explained everything. >>>There is nothing that a lie wont explain to those who >>>love lies. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire >>>>Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The >> >>Commander >> >>>>told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the >>>>building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his >>>>view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those >>>>firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the >>>>building. >>>>Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of >> >>the >> >>>>building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost >> >>at >> >>>>Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001." - Silverstein >>>>Properties spokesman Dara McQuillan on September 9, 2005 >>> >>> >>> >>>Unlike the thousands sacrificed in the other buildings. >>>Should Silverstein be congratulated for not murdering any more >>>people? >>> >>> >>><remove stinky official version of events> peee oooww! >> >>Disingenousness, deceit, lies, cover up, fear, and paranoia. >>Yup, you're a Christian alright. > > > Ignorant, full of hate, a Bigot, paranoid, trembling with fear, and a > hypocrite. > Yup, you're an Atheist extremist alright. I'm not an atheist, dumbass. Try again. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%axRh.6344$ya1.2846@news02.roc.ny... > > <snip> > >>He never said "pull the building" > > > Big deal. Yeah. You quote him as saying "they made that decision, to pull the building". I say you're wrong and you say "big deal" I've said it before: The "truth movement" is only interested in fabricating truth, not finding it. > Don't they give you holidays at Easter? Quintuple time and a half. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: >>"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:%axRh.6344$ya1.2846@news02.roc.ny... > > >>>He never said "pull the building" > > > > He never said "pull the firefighters" either, shill-face. I never said he did, pussy. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message > news:%XCRh.379$3P3.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > <snip> > >>The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the >>firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down. >> >>I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that >>point. > > > But that's not what Silverstien & co. were talking about. > They were talking about "pulling" the building, not the firefighters. Lie Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message... > > >>The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the >>firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down. > > > WRONG !!!! > > > NO STEEL CORED, STEEL FRAMED BUILDING EVER .... IN ALL OF > HISTORY BEFORE 911, AND EVER SINCE, HAS FALLEN FROM FIRES. Notice how David includes "steel cored". He didn't add that qualifier until he got smacked upside the head by the Windsor Tower in Madrid and a couple other steel framed buildings (without cores) that collapsed from fire. His answer is to simply change his claim and move on. Also notice how he doesn't mention buildings that have had their fires initiated by 767 impacts. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message... > > >>always suspect what ANYONE tells you. >> >>Some seem to have missed that truth. > > > You being the first and foremost amongst the losers who missed the thruth > boat and bought the propaganda story, hook, line, and sinker. > > That's OK... because unlike Kennedy, King, etc... John Q. Public now has > the ability to network and communicate around the world, so this gig will > be up soon enough and you will still be the loser. He says 6 years after the event and without one shred of falsifiable evidence to support his beliefs. JFK - It's just a matter of time... Moon landing - It's just a matter of time... 9/11 - It's just a matter of time... Jesus - It's just a matter of time... It's always "just a matter of time" - a time which never comes. Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 In article <1LgSh.2483$%l5.2249@trnddc05>, David Morgan \(MAMS\) <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:0f5j13hnluv4guh9o83kvmkpji81cboh8a@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:22:47 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Steve" <stevencanyon@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message news:e8ih13hvlek965312oh0fegsl5ovs4s1vt@4ax.com... >> > >> >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:59:11 +1000, "Ned Flanders" >> >> <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >There are plenty of usenet shills that have ~all~ the answers. >> >> >Despite the fact that diesel fires wont melt high tensile steel. >> > >> >> <LOL> not melt, just make them bend enough.... >> > >> >That sort of seems to reflect the issue here, now doesn't it Steve? >> >If there had been some "bending" and toppling, and a few sections >> >of the undamaged structural grade steel remaining erect, we probably >> >wouldn't be having this conversation. >> > >> > >> >> Bending of structural steel in a building can bring it down, you silly >> jackass. > > >The only jackass here, is the one who joyfully overlooks that 90% of >the steel in all three buildings was completely undamaged. > I guess you've never heard of cascading failure, which is how complex structures come apart. There isn't ANYBODY with expertise that says that the WTC1/2/7 collapse needed explosives to explain. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
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