Guest George Orwell Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > > > "Vandar" <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... > > Ned Flanders wrote: > > > > > Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the > > > building". > > > > That's a lie. > > Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? > You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy > of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first > 53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. > Watch it for yourself. This is for your own good!! http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=hkx4KRIAAADWLLQBBm73pUVxtzkgkp7U8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg&scoring=d&hl=en Look at all of his 9/11 posts. He has an ulterior motive. No one would ever exert as much energy as Vandar does on 9/11 related posts as a way of passing time. You will get nowhere with Vandar the shill. He and other shills frequent alt.conspiracy "debunking" 9/11. A PsyOp. Don't say I didn't warn you!! Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message news:AXlRh.5899$F%1.649@trnddc01... <snip> > May I ask where you are posting from? I feel that this 5-way crossposting > should come to an end soon. I'm reading/posting from alt.religion.christian.baptist. I am a Christian. Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message... > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> So? > >> > You must be a genuine, American, braindead, Couch-Potato. > >> Can't answer my question, I see. > > If you can't figure out that it matters, you don't deserve an answer... > > but just for you, here we go again.... http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ > My question was asking for a reason for the significance of one person's > opinion. > > You still haven't answered my question. > > Seems you didn't even understand it. Of course I understand it..... I just can't believe that you asked it. It means you have given up on being an influence on your own life and that of others; that you feel one voice is not worth speaking. But if the one voice does not speak, then thousands will not speak. Your vote could swing an election; your words could change a life; the very way you look at someone could heal a wounded heart; your interest in living life could alter future humanity. Never believe that one single voice carries no weight, because that voice is the one that controls your very destiny. Please... do not become complacent with life... it is far too short. Every thought that you think matters and changes your destiny and the destiny of those around you. Be a fountain of thought always.... DM __________________________ Common knowledge from 230 years ago.... "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury; with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship." "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." The U.S. is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase. -- 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinburgh) Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message news:4615ed48$0$27221$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > news:AXlRh.5899$F%1.649@trnddc01... > > <snip> > > > May I ask where you are posting from? I feel that this 5-way > > crossposting should come to an end soon. > I'm reading/posting from alt.religion.christian.baptist. > I am a Christian. Then I will continue to see your posts. I've been reading this group for a little over two years - just as a curiosity. It's good to see a mind that apparently thinks for itself in this room. I belong to no religious denomination. I worship at an independent sanctuary... similar to Unity Church or Religious Science. I love the stories of Christ. I do not take the Bible literally nor do I accept the more recent interpretations thereof. I consider myself to be extremely spiritual even though my anger is often roused here. Cheers. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... > >>Ned Flanders wrote: >> >> >>>Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the >>>building". >> >>That's a lie. > > > Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? I spent a few minutes watching the footage a long time ago. > You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy > of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first > 53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. > Watch it for yourself. What Silverstein said was: "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. and I said 'you know, we've such a terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it', and they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse." They have since explained it further: "In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building. Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001." - Silverstein Properties spokesman Dara McQuillan on September 9, 2005 http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html The FDNY Deputy Chief on scene also used the term 'pull': "It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message news:skmRh.7238$be2.5398@trnddc08... <snip> > Then I will continue to see your posts. I've been reading this group > for a little over two years - just as a curiosity. It's good to see a mind > that apparently thinks for itself in this room. I've been off and on Usenet for 7 years. > I belong to no religious denomination. I worship at an independent > sanctuary... similar to Unity Church or Religious Science. I love the > stories of Christ. I do not take the Bible literally nor do I accept the > more recent interpretations thereof. I consider myself to be extremely > spiritual even though my anger is often roused here. I like the different religious views that are expressed on usenet. You get exposed to thought that you would otherwise never get in a denomination. Having said that I attend a Pentacostal church, but my views are Reformed as in Calvinist. I don't normally get involved with politics but the evil of the Bush administration is so great that I feel it is important to say something. A few years ago I got shouted down for saying that Bush was a liar. Now its cool to call Bush a liar. None of the Christians seem to support him anymore, good. God bless you David for posting. Ned Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 George Orwell wrote: > In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> > "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >> >>"Vandar" <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... >> >>>Ned Flanders wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the >>>>building". >>> >>>That's a lie. >> >>Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? >>You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy >>of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first >>53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. >>Watch it for yourself. > > > This is for your own good!! > > http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=hkx4KRIAAADWLLQBBm73pUVxtzkgkp7U8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg&scoring=d&hl=en > > Look at all of his 9/11 posts. He has an ulterior motive. No one would ever exert as much energy as Vandar > does on 9/11 related posts as a way of passing time. Unless there was some sort of personal reason. > You will get nowhere with Vandar the shill. He and other shills frequent alt.conspiracy "debunking" > 9/11. Being debunked is exactly why David no longer addresses me. It's why he runs around usenet warning people not to engage me on the topic of 9/11 conspiracy. He's outmatched by someone who has donehis homework on the topic. Google is not David's friend. > A PsyOp. > > Don't say I didn't warn you!! Correct. Post a lie or ridiculous theory pertaining to 9/11 and if I see it, I will annihilate it. Quote
Guest Vandar Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:gGmRh.6297$ya1.4556@news02.roc.ny... > >>What Silverstein said was: >>"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling >>me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the >>fire. and I said 'you know, we've such a terrible loss of life, maybe >>the smartest thing to do is pull it', and they made that decision to >>pull, and we watched the building collapse." > > > > Right on que! > From fully erect to pancake-flat in a few seconds. > Must have been majik fires! > > > >>They have since explained it further: > > > They have since explained everything. > There is nothing that a lie wont explain to those who > love lies. > > > >>"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire >>Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander >>told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the >>building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his >>view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those >>firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the >>building. >>Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the >>building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at >>Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001." - Silverstein >>Properties spokesman Dara McQuillan on September 9, 2005 > > > > Unlike the thousands sacrificed in the other buildings. > Should Silverstein be congratulated for not murdering any more > people? > > > <remove stinky official version of events> peee oooww! Disingenousness, deceit, lies, cover up, fear, and paranoia. Yup, you're a Christian alright. Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:gGmRh.6297$ya1.4556@news02.roc.ny... > What Silverstein said was: > "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling > me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the > fire. and I said 'you know, we've such a terrible loss of life, maybe > the smartest thing to do is pull it', and they made that decision to > pull, and we watched the building collapse." Right on que! From fully erect to pancake-flat in a few seconds. Must have been majik fires! > They have since explained it further: They have since explained everything. There is nothing that a lie wont explain to those who love lies. > "In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire > Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander > told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the > building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his > view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those > firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the > building. > Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the > building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at > Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001." - Silverstein > Properties spokesman Dara McQuillan on September 9, 2005 Unlike the thousands sacrificed in the other buildings. Should Silverstein be congratulated for not murdering any more people? <remove stinky official version of events> peee oooww! Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message... > I've been off and on Usenet for 7 years. I've been addicted to the group of my profession for 11 years now. Others just pass the time for me. I find myself jumping into the political threads in hopes that I can do some good for the future of humanity on earth. > > I belong to no religious denomination. I worship at an independent > > sanctuary... similar to Unity Church or Religious Science. I love the > > stories of Christ. I do not take the Bible literally nor do I accept the > > more recent interpretations thereof. I consider myself to be extremely > > spiritual even though my anger is often roused here. > I like the different religious views that are expressed on usenet. > You get exposed to thought that you would otherwise never get > in a denomination. Having said that I attend a Pentacostal church, > but my views are Reformed as in Calvinist. Interesting.... This calls for some education time.... > I don't normally get involved with politics but the evil of the Bush > administration is so great that I feel it is important to say something. Thanks to you from the bottom of my heart. These are dreadful times when people need each other, and it appears to me that the current US government is bound and determined to split the nation apart by hook or by crook, mostly by propaganda... and oddly enough, it seems as if religious issues are playing an unusually heavy role in American political seperatism. I thank my lucky stars (or God, whichever) that at least once a week at church I get a complete and total respite from any thoughts of fear or evil. Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615d90f$0$16552$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev4jvi$933$1@panix5.panix.com... > ><remove previous> > >> You insist on making the same point, over and over >> by stampoing your feet and saying Must! Must! Must! >> and showing no signs if attempting to understand >> what same-day news reports and pictures say. > >Wrong. >I have not said "Must! Must! Must!. >I have challenged your beliefs, and you are reacting not me. > >> http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf > >Their's that 'dot gov' thing again... No sale. >Are you employed by the govt. to propagate their lies? >Or do you do it for another reason? > > OK. Show me, in histroy, all the buildings that fell over in a way that WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". it's your point. Defend it. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615da0d$0$5743$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev4jii$7hj$1@panix5.panix.com... > ><snip> > >> Did you ever try to tell a tenured professor what to think? >> >> Your parania is showing, and you are insulting the intellectual >> honesty and patriotism of hundreds if not a few thousand people that >> contributed to the NIST reports in some way. >> >> And many thousands to a few million people, worldwide with expertise >> look at these NIST reports from their own professional perspectives >> and speak out if they see something. >> >> They frequently do, but don't conflate professioanl disagreements with >> the idea that any of them think that explosives/thermate/thermite is >> needed to explain the events of 9/11. >> >> There are millions of people, worldwide, with relevent expertise that >> take an interest in the collapse of WTC1/2/7 for professional reasons. >> They work for other governments, academia, and private industry. None >> of them have said that explosives were needed to explian WTC1/2/7. > >And yet the firemen who were eye witnesses saw and >heard explosions. And the guy/company who supplied the >structural steel for the WTC got fired when he claimed that >there was no way that fires caused the collapse. > Cite for the firemen, specific to WTC7. In Text with a name, please. (There are NYFD quotes that have the "but it was falling debrise" edited out by the Truthies.) Cite for the steel guy. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... >> Ned Flanders wrote: >> >> > Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the >> > building". >> >> That's a lie. > >Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? >You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy >of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first >53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. >Watch it for yourself. > > He's repeating the words of someone we was talking to, said to be a police chiel. it's not Silverman's words. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Roger Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message news:OcmRh.7237$be2.1514@trnddc08... > > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message... > >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> So? > >> >> > You must be a genuine, American, braindead, Couch-Potato. > >> >> Can't answer my question, I see. > >> > If you can't figure out that it matters, you don't deserve an answer... >> > but just for you, here we go again.... >> > http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ > >> My question was asking for a reason for the significance of one person's >> opinion. >> >> You still haven't answered my question. >> >> Seems you didn't even understand it. > > > Of course I understand it..... I just can't believe that you asked it. > It means > you have given up on being an influence on your own life and that of > others; > that you feel one voice is not worth speaking. But if the one voice does > not > speak, then thousands will not speak. Your vote could swing an > election; > your words could change a life; the very way you look at someone could > heal > a wounded heart; your interest in living life could alter future humanity. > > Never believe that one single voice carries no weight, because that voice > is the one that controls your very destiny. > > Please... do not become complacent with life... it is far too short. > Every thought that you think matters and changes your destiny > and the destiny of those around you. Be a fountain of thought always.... Wow, how naive. > > DM > > __________________________ > > > Common knowledge from 230 years ago.... > > > "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply > cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A > democracy will continue to exist up until the time > that voters discover that they can vote themselves > generous gifts from the public treasury. From that > moment on, the majority always votes for the > candidates who promise the most benefits from the > public treasury; with the result that every democracy > will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) > always followed by a dictatorship." > > "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations > from the beginning of history, has been about 200 > years. During those 200 years, these nations always > progressed through the following sequence: > > From bondage to spiritual faith; > From spiritual faith to great courage; > From courage to liberty; > From liberty to abundance; > From abundance to complacency; > From complacency to apathy; > From apathy to dependence; > From dependence back into bondage." > > The U.S. is now somewhere between the > "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's > definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the > nation's population already having reached the > "governmental dependency" phase. > > -- 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor > at The University of Edinburgh) > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615dd82$0$23675$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev4jmf$a2i$1@panix5.panix.com... > ><snip> > >> But they did. The building was changing shape for hours. > >No it wasn't. >It looked very square all the way to the ground. > "looked" square? to whom? Can you tell a foot out of plumb on a building 700 ft high from thousands of ft away ? No you can't. Stop making stuff up. 1 foot off-center is death on a 100,000 ton building. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615e6ee$0$16558$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message >news:kslRh.5895$F%1.4149@trnddc01... > ><snip> > >> Remember this one? >> >> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12060.htm > > >Here's a quote from the above article: > >"The War Department is planning to insert itself into every area of the >Internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial >commentary. Their rapid response team will be on hair-trigger alert to >dispute any tidbit of information that challenges the official storyline." > >I wonder if the shills on this thread are paid by the government...? > > So what if they are? People point out the fraudlent editing of quotes and video in Truthie websites should get a medal. My favorite example of how these conspiracy theorists such as the guys behind Loose Change selectively edit information in order to get the desired conclusion is the CNN interview with the guy outside the Pentagon right after the plane hit. The guy said (and I'm paraphrasing) "It was a red and blue plane, clearly a United Jet, and it crashed into the side of the Pentagon. It looked like a missile when it was coming toward the building and there was a giant explosion when I saw the plane hit the building." The conspiracy theorists edit out everything except for "It looked like a missile" and use that as absolute proof that a missile and not a plane hit the Pentagon. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Roger Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev5auo$ish$1@panix5.panix.com... > In article <4615dd82$0$23675$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, > Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: >> >>"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >>news:ev4jmf$a2i$1@panix5.panix.com... >> >><snip> >> >>> But they did. The building was changing shape for hours. >> >>No it wasn't. >>It looked very square all the way to the ground. >> > > "looked" square? to whom? > > Can you tell a foot out of plumb on a building 700 ft high from > thousands of ft away ? No you can't. Stop making stuff up. > > 1 foot off-center is death on a 100,000 ton building. There are thousands of buildings much more than 1 foot "off center" (whatever that means). If you mean off-plumb, then it's measured in degrees, not feet. And there are thousands of buildings off-plumb. If they are designed to be, there's no problem. For an example of a very very heavy building that's not plumb, check out the pyramids in Egypt. Quote
Guest David Morgan \(MAMS\) Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> choked up some words in message... > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message... > >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> So? > >> >> > You must be a genuine, American, braindead, Couch-Potato. > >> >> Can't answer my question, I see. > >> > If you can't figure out that it matters, you don't deserve an answer... > >> > but just for you, here we go again.... http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ > >> My question was asking for a reason for the significance of one person's > >> opinion. > >> > >> You still haven't answered my question. > >> > >> Seems you didn't even understand it. > > Of course I understand it..... I just can't believe that you asked it. It means > > you have given up on being an influence on your own life and that of others; > > that you feel one voice is not worth speaking. But if the one voice does not > > speak, then thousands will not speak. Your vote could swing an election; > > your words could change a life; the very way you look at someone could heal > > a wounded heart; your interest in living life could alter future humanity. > > > > Never believe that one single voice carries no weight, because that voice > > is the one that controls your very destiny. > > > > Please... do not become complacent with life... it is far too short. > > Every thought that you think matters and changes your destiny > > and the destiny of those around you. Be a fountain of thought always.... > Wow, how naive. I love your attitude, Roger. Why don't you just go ahead and commit suicide so as to spare yourself the pain of becoming involved in living your life outside of your self imposed cocoon of apathy? > > DM > > > > __________________________ > > > > > > Common knowledge from 230 years ago.... > > > > > > "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply > > cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A > > democracy will continue to exist up until the time > > that voters discover that they can vote themselves > > generous gifts from the public treasury. From that > > moment on, the majority always votes for the > > candidates who promise the most benefits from the > > public treasury; with the result that every democracy > > will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) > > always followed by a dictatorship." > > > > "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations > > from the beginning of history, has been about 200 > > years. During those 200 years, these nations always > > progressed through the following sequence: > > > > From bondage to spiritual faith; > > From spiritual faith to great courage; > > From courage to liberty; > > From liberty to abundance; > > From abundance to complacency; > > From complacency to apathy; > > From apathy to dependence; > > From dependence back into bondage." > > > > -- 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor > > at The University of Edinburgh) > > > > > > The U.S. is now somewhere between the > > "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's > > definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the > > nation's population already having reached the > > "governmental dependency" phase. > > > Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev5a20$s7v$1@panix5.panix.com... <snip> > He's repeating the words of someone we was talking to, said > to be a police chiel. > > it's not Silverman's words. Rubbish! Go and watch it for yourself. Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev59pf$p2b$1@panix5.panix.com... > OK. > > Show me, in histroy, all the buildings that fell over in a way that > WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". > > > it's your point. Defend it. You are the one making all the unsubstantiated claims about "warping" and "changing shape for hours". I followed your lead to its logical conclusion and now you want me to waste my time. Go figure it out yourself. Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev5b5p$fh2$1@panix5.panix.com... <snip> > >I wonder if the shills on this thread are paid by the government...? > > > > > > > So what if they are? Then they are paid to support lies. I suppose you think that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? > People point out the fraudlent editing of quotes > and video in Truthie websites should get a medal. Like the lies that the Bush admin. regularly makes? > My favorite example of how these conspiracy theorists such as the guys > behind Loose Change selectively edit information in order to get the > desired conclusion is the CNN interview with the guy outside the > Pentagon right after the plane hit. The guy said (and I'm > paraphrasing) "It was a red and blue plane, clearly a United Jet, and > it crashed into the side of the Pentagon. It looked like a missile > when it was coming toward the building and there was a giant explosion > when I saw the plane hit the building." The conspiracy theorists edit > out everything except for "It looked like a missile" and use that as > absolute proof that a missile and not a plane hit the Pentagon. Note to any readers: The above paragraph is a classic example of, 'straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel. Your government has its filthy fingerprints all over 9/11 and yet you are ever their apologist. Good luck with your beliefs. Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <46168901$0$9770$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev59pf$p2b$1@panix5.panix.com... > > >> OK. >> >> Show me, in histroy, all the buildings that fell over in a way that >> WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". >> >> >> it's your point. Defend it. > >You are the one making all the unsubstantiated claims about >"warping" and "changing shape for hours". I followed your >lead to its logical conclusion and now you want me to waste >my time. Go figure it out yourself. > > I didn't start this thread. I make no unsubstantiated claims unless I prefice them with IMO, or something to that effect and in which case I'll cite some relevent knowledge of the field, I'm asking youi to do the same. Show me, in history, all the buildings that fell over in a way that WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... >> Ned Flanders wrote: >> >> > Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the >> > building". >> >> That's a lie. > >Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? >You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy >of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first >53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. >Watch it for yourself. > > Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building" http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev62hg$8lb$1@panix5.panix.com... <snip> > Show me, in history, all the buildings that fell over in a way that > WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". Please show me in history one steel reinforced building that fell over from fires? P.S. Don't use any of the WTC buildings. Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:ev62po$57j$1@panix5.panix.com... <snip> > Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building" > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk Now we agree. The decision was made to "pull" the building, contrary to your "warping for hours" theory. Notice how it fell right on que, directly onto its own footprint. Quote
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