Guest Vandar Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Ned Flanders wrote: > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message > news:ev62po$57j$1@panix5.panix.com... > > <snip> > >>Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building" >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk > > > Now we agree. > The decision was made to "pull" the building, He never said "pull the building" Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <4616908d$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev62hg$8lb$1@panix5.panix.com... > ><snip> > >> Show me, in history, all the buildings that fell over in a way that >> WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition". > >Please show me in history one steel reinforced building that >fell over from fires? Irrelevant becuase WTC7, 1 and 2 didn't collapse just because of fires. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Al Dykes Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 In article <46169163$0$5744$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote: > >"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message >news:ev62po$57j$1@panix5.panix.com... > ><snip> > >> Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building" >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk > >Now we agree. >The decision was made to "pull" the building, contrary to >your "warping for hours" theory. Notice how it fell right on >que, directly onto its own footprint. > > They pulled the people away. The building was a total loss, if it fell or not. Silverstien would get his money, either way. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001 Quote
Guest Roger Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message news:POuRh.16$vo2.12@trnddc01... > > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> choked up some words in message... > >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message... > >> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > >> >> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >> So? > >> >> >> > You must be a genuine, American, braindead, Couch-Potato. > >> >> >> Can't answer my question, I see. > >> >> > If you can't figure out that it matters, you don't deserve an >> >> > answer... >> >> > but just for you, here we go again.... >> >> > http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ > >> >> My question was asking for a reason for the significance of one >> >> person's >> >> opinion. >> >> >> >> You still haven't answered my question. >> >> >> >> Seems you didn't even understand it. > >> > Of course I understand it..... I just can't believe that you asked it. >> > It means >> > you have given up on being an influence on your own life and that of >> > others; >> > that you feel one voice is not worth speaking. But if the one voice >> > does not >> > speak, then thousands will not speak. Your vote could swing an >> > election; >> > your words could change a life; the very way you look at someone could >> > heal >> > a wounded heart; your interest in living life could alter future >> > humanity. >> > >> > Never believe that one single voice carries no weight, because that >> > voice >> > is the one that controls your very destiny. >> > >> > Please... do not become complacent with life... it is far too short. >> > Every thought that you think matters and changes your destiny >> > and the destiny of those around you. Be a fountain of thought >> > always.... > > >> Wow, how naive. > > > I love your attitude, Roger. Why don't you just go ahead and commit > suicide > so as to spare yourself the pain of becoming involved in living your life > outside > of your self imposed cocoon of apathy? Again, naive upon naive. Making up scarier scenarios for tragedies that are already scary. That's an attitude. Delusional. > > >> > DM >> > >> > __________________________ >> > >> > >> > Common knowledge from 230 years ago.... >> > >> > >> > "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply >> > cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A >> > democracy will continue to exist up until the time >> > that voters discover that they can vote themselves >> > generous gifts from the public treasury. From that >> > moment on, the majority always votes for the >> > candidates who promise the most benefits from the >> > public treasury; with the result that every democracy >> > will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) >> > always followed by a dictatorship." >> > >> > "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations >> > from the beginning of history, has been about 200 >> > years. During those 200 years, these nations always >> > progressed through the following sequence: >> > >> > From bondage to spiritual faith; >> > From spiritual faith to great courage; >> > From courage to liberty; >> > From liberty to abundance; >> > From abundance to complacency; >> > From complacency to apathy; >> > From apathy to dependence; >> > From dependence back into bondage." >> > >> > -- 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor >> > at The University of >> > Edinburgh) >> > >> > >> > The U.S. is now somewhere between the >> > "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's >> > definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the >> > nation's population already having reached the >> > "governmental dependency" phase. >> > >> > > Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%axRh.6344$ya1.2846@news02.roc.ny... <snip> > He never said "pull the building" Big deal. Don't they give you holidays at Easter? Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <RnkRh.7670$i93.4798@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:KqhRh.19957$tD2.7738@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > In article <aI1Rh.3432$WL4.624@trnddc04>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm > > mumbled > > > > > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:Je%Qh.134538$_73.131854@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > > > In article <PeWQh.5353$i93.2535@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm > > > > mumbled > > > > > > > > > The owner of a demolition company estimated it would 30 or 40 trained men to > > > > > > wire that building in one day > > > > > > > So who was it > > > > > > Yiou mean who blew Building 7, WTC? > > > > No you ditz. > > Who is the "explosives expert" you are citing above. > > You've been quoting the wrong text to the wrong poster for 36 hours.... > are you sober little fixer ?? Stop snipping out the parts that make you look foolish and maybe we would know you were drunk -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615ca0b$0$9772$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message > news:LBjRh.20018$tD2.6596@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > <snip> > > > > If the collapse of the building was an accident, why were ground zero > > > personnel, firefighters and police told to vacate the area surrounding > > > Building 7 in advance because the structure was to be brought down? > > > > > > Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was > > moving ? > > That it was unstable and might come down ? > > Very unlikely. > But if you believe it that's ok. IIRC someone else posted that bit. > > > > > SEE: > > > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207broughtdown.htm > > > > > > > > > If the collapse did not involve the use of demolition charges, why did > > > NYPD officer Craig Bartmer report bombs tearing down the building as > > > he ran away from it? > > > > Loud booms. > > That kind of thing happens when floors pancake on top of one another. > > > Agreed. > Typical of a controlled demolition. So who wired it and when. > > > > > SEE: > > > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/100207heardbombs.htm > > > > > > > > > Why did WTC complex leaseholder Larry Silverstein admit on a 2002 PBS > > > documentary that WTC 7 was deliberately pulled? To "pull" is industry > > > jargon for controlled demolition. Why has NIST changed its explanation > > > for the collapse of Building 7 on several different occasions and why > > > to this day has it still not come to a conclusion ? > > > > > > SEE: > > > > > > > I saw a kewl Hillery add on utube too. > > Must be true if its there > > > As a conservative I don't approve of Hillery, but I doubt that she > could be worse than Bush. Then you are not near as smart as you think you are -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615cf32$0$16555$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message > news:ev4hoh$aul$1@panix5.panix.com... > > <remove previous banter, like the way that steel way removed from WTC> > > > >> Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was > > >> moving ? > > >> That it was unstable and might come down ? > > > > > >Very unlikely. > > >But if you believe it that's ok. > > > > > > > What is "unlikely" ? > > I find it very unlikely that rangefinders could predict that > the building would collapse, when the owner admitted it > was "pulled". Both cannot be true. You can make up you own > mind, but you haven't convinced me. The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down. I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that point. -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615dddc$0$16553$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > news:jmkRh.7669$i93.130@trnddc05... > > > > Some 50 of my links to 911 related videos on YouTube went dead this week. > > All (from a huge variety of different sources) are flagged, "removed for > violation > > of terms of service". > > > > I guess that Gates is taking up where Rumsfeld left off. I don't see why > not.... > > After all, he was one of the original financiers of Tim Osman (also known > as: > > Osama bin Laden). > > Why am I not surprised. > Gates has been in bed with the NSA for many years. RUN AND HIDE !! maroons... -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615e6ee$0$16558$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > news:kslRh.5895$F%1.4149@trnddc01... > > <snip> > > > Remember this one? > > > > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12060.htm > > > Here's a quote from the above article: > > "The War Department is planning to insert itself into every area of the > Internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial > commentary. Their rapid response team will be on hair-trigger alert to > dispute any tidbit of information that challenges the official storyline." > > I wonder if the shills on this thread are paid by the government...? I don't know, are you ? -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <VhkRh.7668$i93.7213@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message... > > > > If the collapse of the building was an accident, why were ground zero > > > personnel, firefighters and police told to vacate the area surrounding > > > Building 7 in advance because the structure was to be brought down? > > > Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was > > moving ? That it was unstable and might come down ? > > > Did your Uncle Sam teach you the "paint" word, little FIXER man? No, my dad did. Oh wait, you mean lasers and not house painting. Sorry, You seemed confused there a minute. I don't know if the guys name was Sam, I'm sure he wasn't related to me when he taught me about the LRF. > > In 1970, I could put a 30.06 round somewhere in your chest from 500 > yards - - you wouldn't hear my shot until long after you had hit the deck.... > and I din't need no stinking little red dot to do it, either. I'm sure you could. If I bothered to stand up and give you a nice target. More than likely you would get "maggies drawers" though. > > I'm sure there was plenty of time to bring out the 'laser-levels from the wood shop on 911..... You would be suprised how available small laser range finders are. > > Sheeesh..... > > > What a weak shill you are. Weak is the wacko's thinking.. -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615da0d$0$5743$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message > news:ev4jii$7hj$1@panix5.panix.com... > > <snip> > > > Did you ever try to tell a tenured professor what to think? > > > > Your parania is showing, and you are insulting the intellectual > > honesty and patriotism of hundreds if not a few thousand people that > > contributed to the NIST reports in some way. > > > > And many thousands to a few million people, worldwide with expertise > > look at these NIST reports from their own professional perspectives > > and speak out if they see something. > > > > They frequently do, but don't conflate professioanl disagreements with > > the idea that any of them think that explosives/thermate/thermite is > > needed to explain the events of 9/11. > > > > There are millions of people, worldwide, with relevent expertise that > > take an interest in the collapse of WTC1/2/7 for professional reasons. > > They work for other governments, academia, and private industry. None > > of them have said that explosives were needed to explian WTC1/2/7. > > And yet the firemen who were eye witnesses saw and > heard explosions. And the guy/company who supplied the > structural steel for the WTC got fired when he claimed that > there was no way that fires caused the collapse. They heard loud booms. And the guy who got fired ? Who was he ? -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <46168901$0$9770$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > unsubstantiated claims about "warping" and "changing shape for hours" Funny but we watched some ofthe coverage that day live. I distinctly remeber seeing the building bulging. -- -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <oakRh.7665$i93.525@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message.... > > > So far the proponents of the "implosion" theory can't explain why no one > > saw any evidence of the building being prepared. > > > No one on the ground saw any evidence before the first smart bomb > hit Bagdad, either.... but it damned sure hit now didn't it? > Weak strawman argument. A guided bomb needs to on site preperation to work. Controled demo does. -- -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <ev4j35$gsg$1@panix5.panix.com>, adykes@panix.com mumbled > In article <oakRh.7665$i93.525@trnddc05>, > David Morgan \(MAMS\) <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote: > > > >"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message.... > > > >> So far the proponents of the "implosion" theory can't explain why no one > >> saw any evidence of the building being prepared. > > > > > >No one on the ground saw any evidence before the first smart bomb > >hit Bagdad, either.... but it damned sure hit now didn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > Have we invented a secret implosion bomb? Oh course. We store them with the "hush a bomb" -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615de3d$0$9774$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message > news:ObkRh.7666$i93.4319@trnddc05... > > > > "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message... > > > > Thanks for stepping in and taking up some slack. > > Thank you David for doing such a fine job yourself. shills -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:%XCRh.379$3P3.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... <snip> > The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the > firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down. > > I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that > point. But that's not what Silverstien & co. were talking about. They were talking about "pulling" the building, not the firefighters. Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny... > > Ned Flanders wrote: > > > > > Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the > > > building". > > > > That's a lie. > > Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage? > You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy > of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first > 53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears. > Watch it for yourself. Why cant we see an unedited copy ? -- -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4615faf5$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > Unlike the thousands sacrificed in the other buildings. > Should Silverstein be congratulated for not murdering any more > people? Are you accusing him of being responsable ? -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:rWCRh.378$3P3.114@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... <snip> > So who wired it and when. How would I know? I guess it was the usual criminals who haunted the building i.e. various secret service personal. <snip> Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <461688fa$0$16554$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message > news:ev5a20$s7v$1@panix5.panix.com... > > <snip> > > > He's repeating the words of someone we was talking to, said > > to be a police chiel. > > > > it's not Silverman's words. > > Rubbish! > Go and watch it for yourself. So lets see an unedited copy ? -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4616ff26$0$22844$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message > news:rWCRh.378$3P3.114@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > <snip> > > > So who wired it and when. > > How would I know? > I guess it was the usual criminals who haunted > the building i.e. various secret service personal. So you don't know and don't care. You just make crap up -- -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Tankfixer Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In article <4616fe3a$0$5744$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message > news:%XCRh.379$3P3.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > <snip> > > > The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the > > firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down. > > > > I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that > > point. > > But that's not what Silverstien & co. were talking about. > They were talking about "pulling" the building, not the firefighters. So you say. Got an unedited copy of them saying that ? -- -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." Quote
Guest Apu Nahasapeemapetilon Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Tankfixer paul.carrier@us.army.m said: > Why cant we see an unedited copy ? > Why are you saying that you can't? Why are insipid questions somehow "guilt by association" affirmatives by conspiracy kooks? Most people believe that Bush took advantage of the events of 9/11. Those who say it's a grand conspiracy, have lame dip-shit claims like "Pull It" means blow up the building and so-on. Some assholes actually try to connect the fact that Bush's brother Mel worked security for WTC7, when he left the job almost 2 years before! You cats are nuts. I'm a Liberal, not some neo-con spy for PNAC. You're just nuts. Quote
Guest Ned Flanders Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:%9DRh.388$3P3.245@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > shills That's rich.... coming from the guy with 'us.army.m' in his email address. Don't they give you Easter holidays either? Quote
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