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Guest Vandar
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Ned Flanders wrote:

> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

> news:ev62po$57j$1@panix5.panix.com...

>

> <snip>

>

>>Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building"

>>

>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

>

>

> Now we agree.

> The decision was made to "pull" the building,

 

He never said "pull the building"

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Guest Al Dykes
Posted

In article <4616908d$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote:

>

>"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

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>

><snip>

>

>> Show me, in history, all the buildings that fell over in a way that

>> WTC7 didn't due to the lack of "controlled demolition".

>

>Please show me in history one steel reinforced building that

>fell over from fires?

 

 

Irrelevant becuase WTC7, 1 and 2 didn't collapse just because

of fires.

 

 

 

 

 

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Guest Al Dykes
Posted

In article <46169163$0$5744$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

Ned Flanders <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote:

>

>"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

>news:ev62po$57j$1@panix5.panix.com...

>

><snip>

>

>> Silverstein: "they made that decision, to pull the building"

>>

>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

>

>Now we agree.

>The decision was made to "pull" the building, contrary to

>your "warping for hours" theory. Notice how it fell right on

>que, directly onto its own footprint.

>

>

 

 

They pulled the people away. The building was a total loss, if it

fell or not. Silverstien would get his money, either way.

 

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Guest Roger
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

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>

> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> choked up some words in message...

>

>> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

>

>> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message...

>

>> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

>

>> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

>> >> >> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

>

>> >> >> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>

>> >> >> >> So?

>

>> >> >> > You must be a genuine, American, braindead, Couch-Potato.

>

>> >> >> Can't answer my question, I see.

>

>> >> > If you can't figure out that it matters, you don't deserve an

>> >> > answer...

>> >> > but just for you, here we go again....

>> >> > http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

>

>> >> My question was asking for a reason for the significance of one

>> >> person's

>> >> opinion.

>> >>

>> >> You still haven't answered my question.

>> >>

>> >> Seems you didn't even understand it.

>

>> > Of course I understand it..... I just can't believe that you asked it.

>> > It means

>> > you have given up on being an influence on your own life and that of

>> > others;

>> > that you feel one voice is not worth speaking. But if the one voice

>> > does not

>> > speak, then thousands will not speak. Your vote could swing an

>> > election;

>> > your words could change a life; the very way you look at someone could

>> > heal

>> > a wounded heart; your interest in living life could alter future

>> > humanity.

>> >

>> > Never believe that one single voice carries no weight, because that

>> > voice

>> > is the one that controls your very destiny.

>> >

>> > Please... do not become complacent with life... it is far too short.

>> > Every thought that you think matters and changes your destiny

>> > and the destiny of those around you. Be a fountain of thought

>> > always....

>

>

>> Wow, how naive.

>

>

> I love your attitude, Roger. Why don't you just go ahead and commit

> suicide

> so as to spare yourself the pain of becoming involved in living your life

> outside

> of your self imposed cocoon of apathy?

 

Again, naive upon naive.

 

Making up scarier scenarios for tragedies that are already scary. That's an

attitude.

 

Delusional.

 

>

>

>> > DM

>> >

>> > __________________________

>> >

>> >

>> > Common knowledge from 230 years ago....

>> >

>> >

>> > "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply

>> > cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A

>> > democracy will continue to exist up until the time

>> > that voters discover that they can vote themselves

>> > generous gifts from the public treasury. From that

>> > moment on, the majority always votes for the

>> > candidates who promise the most benefits from the

>> > public treasury; with the result that every democracy

>> > will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is)

>> > always followed by a dictatorship."

>> >

>> > "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations

>> > from the beginning of history, has been about 200

>> > years. During those 200 years, these nations always

>> > progressed through the following sequence:

>> >

>> > From bondage to spiritual faith;

>> > From spiritual faith to great courage;

>> > From courage to liberty;

>> > From liberty to abundance;

>> > From abundance to complacency;

>> > From complacency to apathy;

>> > From apathy to dependence;

>> > From dependence back into bondage."

>> >

>> > -- 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor

>> > at The University of

>> > Edinburgh)

>> >

>> >

>> > The U.S. is now somewhere between the

>> > "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's

>> > definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the

>> > nation's population already having reached the

>> > "governmental dependency" phase.

>> >

>>

>

>

Guest Ned Flanders
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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<snip>

> He never said "pull the building"

 

Big deal.

 

Don't they give you holidays at Easter?

Guest Tankfixer
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In article <RnkRh.7670$i93.4798@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm

mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:KqhRh.19957$tD2.7738@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

> > In article <aI1Rh.3432$WL4.624@trnddc04>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm

> > mumbled

> > >

> > > "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message news:Je%Qh.134538$_73.131854@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...

> > > > In article <PeWQh.5353$i93.2535@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm

> > > > mumbled

> > >

> > > > > > The owner of a demolition company estimated it would 30 or 40 trained men to

> > > > > > wire that building in one day

> > >

> > > > So who was it

> > >

> > > Yiou mean who blew Building 7, WTC?

> >

> > No you ditz.

> > Who is the "explosives expert" you are citing above.

>

> You've been quoting the wrong text to the wrong poster for 36 hours....

> are you sober little fixer ??

 

Stop snipping out the parts that make you look foolish and maybe we

would know you were drunk

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
Posted

In article <4615ca0b$0$9772$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

> news:LBjRh.20018$tD2.6596@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

>

> <snip>

>

> > > If the collapse of the building was an accident, why were ground zero

> > > personnel, firefighters and police told to vacate the area surrounding

> > > Building 7 in advance because the structure was to be brought down?

> >

> >

> > Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was

> > moving ?

> > That it was unstable and might come down ?

>

> Very unlikely.

> But if you believe it that's ok.

 

IIRC someone else posted that bit.

 

 

>

>

> > > SEE:

> > > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207broughtdown.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > If the collapse did not involve the use of demolition charges, why did

> > > NYPD officer Craig Bartmer report bombs tearing down the building as

> > > he ran away from it?

> >

> > Loud booms.

> > That kind of thing happens when floors pancake on top of one another.

>

>

> Agreed.

> Typical of a controlled demolition.

 

So who wired it and when.

>

>

> > > SEE:

> > > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/100207heardbombs.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > Why did WTC complex leaseholder Larry Silverstein admit on a 2002 PBS

> > > documentary that WTC 7 was deliberately pulled? To "pull" is industry

> > > jargon for controlled demolition. Why has NIST changed its explanation

> > > for the collapse of Building 7 on several different occasions and why

> > > to this day has it still not come to a conclusion ?

> > >

> > > SEE:

> > >

> >

> > I saw a kewl Hillery add on utube too.

> > Must be true if its there

>

>

> As a conservative I don't approve of Hillery, but I doubt that she

> could be worse than Bush.

 

Then you are not near as smart as you think you are

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615cf32$0$16555$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

> news:ev4hoh$aul$1@panix5.panix.com...

>

> <remove previous banter, like the way that steel way removed from WTC>

>

> > >> Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was

> > >> moving ?

> > >> That it was unstable and might come down ?

> > >

> > >Very unlikely.

> > >But if you believe it that's ok.

> > >

> >

> > What is "unlikely" ?

>

> I find it very unlikely that rangefinders could predict that

> the building would collapse, when the owner admitted it

> was "pulled". Both cannot be true. You can make up you own

> mind, but you haven't convinced me.

 

The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the

firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down.

 

I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that

point.

 

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615dddc$0$16553$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

> news:jmkRh.7669$i93.130@trnddc05...

>

>

> > Some 50 of my links to 911 related videos on YouTube went dead this week.

> > All (from a huge variety of different sources) are flagged, "removed for

> violation

> > of terms of service".

> >

> > I guess that Gates is taking up where Rumsfeld left off. I don't see why

> not....

> > After all, he was one of the original financiers of Tim Osman (also known

> as:

> > Osama bin Laden).

>

> Why am I not surprised.

> Gates has been in bed with the NSA for many years.

 

RUN AND HIDE !!

 

 

maroons...

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615e6ee$0$16558$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

> news:kslRh.5895$F%1.4149@trnddc01...

>

> <snip>

>

> > Remember this one?

> >

> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12060.htm

>

>

> Here's a quote from the above article:

>

> "The War Department is planning to insert itself into every area of the

> Internet from blogs to chat rooms, from leftist web sites to editorial

> commentary. Their rapid response team will be on hair-trigger alert to

> dispute any tidbit of information that challenges the official storyline."

>

> I wonder if the shills on this thread are paid by the government...?

 

I don't know, are you ?

 

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Guest Tankfixer
Posted

In article <VhkRh.7668$i93.7213@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm

mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message...

>

> > > If the collapse of the building was an accident, why were ground zero

> > > personnel, firefighters and police told to vacate the area surrounding

> > > Building 7 in advance because the structure was to be brought down?

>

> > Because they had laser rangefinders painting it and could tell it was

> > moving ? That it was unstable and might come down ?

>

>

> Did your Uncle Sam teach you the "paint" word, little FIXER man?

 

No, my dad did.

Oh wait, you mean lasers and not house painting. Sorry, You seemed

confused there a minute.

 

I don't know if the guys name was Sam, I'm sure he wasn't related to me

when he taught me about the LRF.

>

> In 1970, I could put a 30.06 round somewhere in your chest from 500

> yards - - you wouldn't hear my shot until long after you had hit the deck....

> and I din't need no stinking little red dot to do it, either.

 

I'm sure you could.

If I bothered to stand up and give you a nice target.

More than likely you would get "maggies drawers" though.

 

>

> I'm sure there was plenty of time to bring out the 'laser-levels from the wood shop on 911.....

 

You would be suprised how available small laser range finders are.

>

> Sheeesh.....

>

>

> What a weak shill you are.

 

Weak is the wacko's thinking..

 

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
Posted

In article <4615da0d$0$5743$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

> news:ev4jii$7hj$1@panix5.panix.com...

>

> <snip>

>

> > Did you ever try to tell a tenured professor what to think?

> >

> > Your parania is showing, and you are insulting the intellectual

> > honesty and patriotism of hundreds if not a few thousand people that

> > contributed to the NIST reports in some way.

> >

> > And many thousands to a few million people, worldwide with expertise

> > look at these NIST reports from their own professional perspectives

> > and speak out if they see something.

> >

> > They frequently do, but don't conflate professioanl disagreements with

> > the idea that any of them think that explosives/thermate/thermite is

> > needed to explain the events of 9/11.

> >

> > There are millions of people, worldwide, with relevent expertise that

> > take an interest in the collapse of WTC1/2/7 for professional reasons.

> > They work for other governments, academia, and private industry. None

> > of them have said that explosives were needed to explian WTC1/2/7.

>

> And yet the firemen who were eye witnesses saw and

> heard explosions. And the guy/company who supplied the

> structural steel for the WTC got fired when he claimed that

> there was no way that fires caused the collapse.

 

They heard loud booms.

And the guy who got fired ?

Who was he ?

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
Posted

In article <46168901$0$9770$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

> unsubstantiated claims about "warping" and "changing shape for hours"

 

 

Funny but we watched some ofthe coverage that day live.

I distinctly remeber seeing the building bulging.

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <oakRh.7665$i93.525@trnddc05>, findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm

mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message....

>

> > So far the proponents of the "implosion" theory can't explain why no one

> > saw any evidence of the building being prepared.

>

>

> No one on the ground saw any evidence before the first smart bomb

> hit Bagdad, either.... but it damned sure hit now didn't it?

>

 

Weak strawman argument.

 

A guided bomb needs to on site preperation to work.

Controled demo does.

 

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Guest Tankfixer
Posted

In article <ev4j35$gsg$1@panix5.panix.com>, adykes@panix.com mumbled

> In article <oakRh.7665$i93.525@trnddc05>,

> David Morgan \(MAMS\) <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

> >

> >"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message....

> >

> >> So far the proponents of the "implosion" theory can't explain why no one

> >> saw any evidence of the building being prepared.

> >

> >

> >No one on the ground saw any evidence before the first smart bomb

> >hit Bagdad, either.... but it damned sure hit now didn't it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Have we invented a secret implosion bomb?

 

Oh course.

We store them with the "hush a bomb"

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615de3d$0$9774$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message

> news:ObkRh.7666$i93.4319@trnddc05...

> >

> > "Ned Flanders" <iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit> wrote in message...

> >

> > Thanks for stepping in and taking up some slack.

>

> Thank you David for doing such a fine job yourself.

 

shills

 

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Guest Ned Flanders
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"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

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<snip>

> The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the

> firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down.

>

> I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that

> point.

 

But that's not what Silverstien & co. were talking about.

They were talking about "pulling" the building, not the firefighters.

Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615dc8e$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:sEkRh.6169$B25.3892@news01.roc.ny...

> > Ned Flanders wrote:

> >

> > > Silverstein claimed on TV that, "a decision was made to ~pull~ the

> > > building".

> >

> > That's a lie.

>

> Why not spend a few minutes watching the footage?

> You can see Larry Silverstien himself say it. Get a copy

> of 'Martial Law' by Alex Jones and fastforward the first

> 53 minutes, then the clip from PBS news appears.

> Watch it for yourself.

 

Why cant we see an unedited copy ?

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4615faf5$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> Unlike the thousands sacrificed in the other buildings.

> Should Silverstein be congratulated for not murdering any more

> people?

 

 

Are you accusing him of being responsable ?

 

 

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Guest Ned Flanders
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"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

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<snip>

> So who wired it and when.

 

How would I know?

I guess it was the usual criminals who haunted

the building i.e. various secret service personal.

 

 

<snip>

Guest Tankfixer
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In article <461688fa$0$16554$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

> news:ev5a20$s7v$1@panix5.panix.com...

>

> <snip>

>

> > He's repeating the words of someone we was talking to, said

> > to be a police chiel.

> >

> > it's not Silverman's words.

>

> Rubbish!

> Go and watch it for yourself.

 

So lets see an unedited copy ?

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4616ff26$0$22844$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

> news:rWCRh.378$3P3.114@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

>

> <snip>

>

> > So who wired it and when.

>

> How would I know?

> I guess it was the usual criminals who haunted

> the building i.e. various secret service personal.

 

So you don't know and don't care. You just make crap up

 

 

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Guest Tankfixer
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In article <4616fe3a$0$5744$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,

iknowitsonlyrocknroll@butilikeit mumbled

>

> "Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

> news:%XCRh.379$3P3.296@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

>

> <snip>

>

> > The delta in distance from a known point to the building would tell the

> > firefighters that the building was sagging and begining to come down.

> >

> > I supose a compassionate person would "pull" the firefighters at that

> > point.

>

> But that's not what Silverstien & co. were talking about.

> They were talking about "pulling" the building, not the firefighters.

 

So you say.

Got an unedited copy of them saying that ?

 

 

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Guest Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Posted

Tankfixer paul.carrier@us.army.m said:

> Why cant we see an unedited copy ?

>

Why are you saying that you can't?

 

 

 

Why are insipid questions somehow "guilt by association" affirmatives by

conspiracy kooks?

 

Most people believe that Bush took advantage of the events of 9/11.

 

Those who say it's a grand conspiracy, have lame dip-shit claims like "Pull

It" means blow up the building and so-on.

 

Some assholes actually try to connect the fact that Bush's brother Mel worked

security for WTC7, when he left the job almost 2 years before!

 

You cats are nuts.

 

I'm a Liberal, not some neo-con spy for PNAC.

 

You're just nuts.

Guest Ned Flanders
Posted

"Tankfixer" <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote in message

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> shills

 

 

That's rich.... coming from the guy with 'us.army.m' in his email address.

Don't they give you Easter holidays either?

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