What does it mean to be a passivist??

[Lethalfind]

I am really asking because I don't think I understand the idea completely.

I don't want to argue whats right or wrong because obviously this is a personal choice, at least I think that.

I would hate to have to kill someone but by God threaten my daughter or myself and say your prayers. I plan on getting a hand gun, which will be loaded but locked in a touch key entry safe by my bed. I live in a nice area, with a security system, anyone looking through the windows can confirm this. It is also easy to tell when I'm home. It is my assumption that if someone breaks into my home in spite of this, they are meaning to do me or my daughter bodily harm. I have no qualms with killing to save another. Even if I was in a situation where someone else was staying at my house, I would do the same, not just for my daughter and I.

However I don't think I could be in the armed forces and kill people. Not because they don't deserve it, I just don't think mentally I would ever be able to get over that. I think the memory would destroy my mental stability (such as it is).

So please let me know how you guys feel about this subject. I'm interested in hearing how you all feel. I mean in another thread someone brought up killing woman and children in war. Of course there are times when the woman and children are carrying explosives. I just don't think I could shoot a child even if someone told me they were carrying a bomb to kill me. But I would feel differently if that same child had a bomb or a gun and broke into my house. I don't know. I geuss I don't know how I feel.

[ToriAllen]

Those that can not or will not fight say they are pacifists.

 

Seriously,

There are two definitions that I have found:

Those who love peace and are peacekeepers

and

those who are against war

 

Yes, there is a difference between the two.

[TheJenn88]

To me a passivist is someone who proactively seeks peace and not doing anything such to contradict that.

[ParasiteGod]

Most of the passivists I know just choose not to participate in violence.

For instance, if someone's smacking you around, you'll just sit there and let them finish.

...Passivism is stupid.

[Lethalfind]

For those of you that are pacifists, are you saying that if someone broke into your home you would not defend yourself or does it only apply to things like war??

I mean if you were drafted, you would choose to be a consciensious objector. Does this choice also mean that you would not keep a gun in your home to defend yourself??

[Hugh G. Rekshun]

You become a Muslim and hide under the guise of the Qu'ran.

[snafu]

To me a pacifist is somebody that is submissive.

 

Someone that

[sixes]

To me a pacifist is somebody that is submissive.

 

Someone that

[EnterNetProphet]

There were pacifists galore in bosnia..but when ethnic/religious hostilities became openly apparent..they came to the realisation that their philosphy did not mean jack squat...self preservation took root and they were all donning combat fatigues ...zip locking their AK's and yelling "allahu akbar","long live serbia","croatia 4 eva"..or what ever they were yelling..

 

Don't ya love irony of pacifists

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

There were pacifists galore in bosnia..but when ethnic/religious hostilities became openly apparent..they came to the realisation that their philosphy did not mean jack squat...self preservation took root and they were all donning combat fatigues ...zip locking their AK's and yelling "allahu akbar","long live serbia","croatia 4 eva"..or what ever they were yelling..

 

Don't ya love irony of pacifists

 

Bosnia?Is that where more than 8000 muslim boys & men,were taken from their homes,blind folded and shot dead,even after they asked for protection from the UN?

Do you people ever care about those murdered? I doubt it! but we still have to always remember the american dead every single year,actually it's every day! 9/11 this,9/11 that! there are other problems in this world too.

 

I like pacifists.Anyone who wants peace should be well respected.But war and violence lovers like you (snafu) see this as a weakness.why?

 

Look at the amount of money wasted on this war.200 billion dollars is the current figure. I think you will agree that there are far more worthy problems that could be solved with this money. Such as poverty,education and health problems.But No! All they care about is gaining more and more money and causing more distruction!

[tizz]

I am pacifist of sorts ( I don't turn my other cheek so to speak) but I also do not believe that violence can ever be justified. I believe that education tolerance and acceptance are the key to peace but I am also not so dumb as to believe that global peace is a real probability. I stand up tall for what I believe in, I believe in holding my ground should I be attacked but I will NEVER take up arms especially for something I cannot own (IE land) My ideals can go with me anywhere. I just believe that there is ALWAYS a way OTHER than war or violence

[EnterNetProphet]

Bosnia?Is that where more than 8000 muslim boys & men,were taken from their homes,blind folded and shot dead,even after they asked for protection from the UN?

Do you people ever care about those murdered? I doubt it! but we still have to always remember the american dead every single year,actually it's every day! 9/11 this,9/11 that! there are other problems in this world too.

 

I like pacifists.Anyone who wants peace should be well respected.But war and violence lovers like you (snafu) see this as a weakness.why?

 

Look at the amount of money wasted on this war.200 billion dollars is the current figure. I think you will agree that there are far more worthy problems that could be solved with this money. Such as poverty,education and health problems.But No! All they care about is gaining more and more money and causing more distruction!

 

Oh so the muslims were'nt guilty of executing Croats and Serbs as well?

 

The muslims were'nt asking for U.N protection..when they were doing well on the battle field...they were asking for mujahids and arms from the Islamic world..to which they got..

 

The Americans saved their necks...when they were'nt doing so well

 

Yeah money could be spent on education/poverty/health...tell that to the muslims who donate to "charities"

[Lethalfind]

"Bosnia?Is that where more than 8000 muslim boys & men,were taken from their homes,blind folded and shot dead,even after they asked for protection from the UN?

Do you people ever care about those murdered? I doubt it! but we still have to always remember the american dead every single year,actually it's every day! 9/11 this,9/11 that! there are other problems in this world too."

posted by AIG,

 

The difference between the Muslim dead and the American dead...Americans don't want to die, they don't beleive they will go straight to heaven, we don't indulge in suicide bombing of innocent people.

 

JIHAD is a dirty word to us, spare me your indignation !!!

I don't agree what happened in Bosnia but you can't honestly say that the Muslims there were completely free of any quilt in the matter.

 

I hope it does annoy you that the world remembers the dead of 911, remember that, it will continue to happen, we hold life as something of value, not like your people do. I as an American will never forget 911, like the song says, they should show the video everyday of the planes crashing into the towers and them falling, people need to see the dead falling out of the building, the firefighters who were there to help being carried out dead for all their efforts.

 

The day we forget is the day we let our gaurd down and it can happen all over again. Your people are arrogant and totally disregarding of peoples rights and lives. You will never accomplish what you want because we will never live the life you think we should. We are too advanced to take a step backwards to be Muslim !!!

[Kryptonite Man]

AMEN TO THAT!!!

[snafu]

Jesus AIG you really are dense.

I

[Jhony5]

Passivist are cowards that depend on aggressive people to protect them. A passive person will think the police will save them from a violent intruder. Because they despise guns and confrontation they will be found dead on their floor with a phone in their hand.

 

In world war II passive nations were also known as 'nazi occupied' countries.

[Lethalfind]

I can't afford to rely on someone else to protect me. I have to take responsibility for that myself. The police have a good response time, don't get me wrong, but even 5 minutes after a call to 911 could be too late. I won't go guietly to the slaughter. In Florida we have had a number of home invasions where people have been gunned down, children stolen from their beds and later found dead.

If it comes down to me (or my daughter) and someone else's life, I choose me or my daughter every time.

[tizz]

A pacifist is not going to back from direct threat, that is kind of an exaggeration. A pacifist does not believe violence is an answer (not self defense) and they do not believe in military action outside of direct defense of threat or attack. It is a matter of seeing the possibility of resolve without aggression.

[Jhony5]

A pacifist is not going to back from direct threat, that is kind of an exaggeration. A pacifist does not believe violence is an answer (not self defense) and they do not believe in military action outside of direct defense of threat or attack. It is a matter of seeing the possibility of resolve without aggression.

 

 

Wrong, scientific studies have shown that practiced passivism will turn you into a big floppy pussy. (well not really scientific)

 

In other words if you spend your life avoiding confrontation then you will not be equiped to handle it when not given a choice. After all passivism is a choice, but most make that choice becuase of their cowardly nature. It provides them with an excuse to be afraid.

[tizz]

Um.... Pacifist do not avoid confrontation they avoid VIOLENT confrontation. We just feel there are better ways to resolve issues than with our fists or with weapons. We prefer to use our minds combined with empathy and compassion.

[Jhony5]

Um.... Pacifist do not avoid confrontation they avoid VIOLENT confrontation. We just feel there are better ways to resolve issues than with our fists or with weapons. We prefer to use our minds combined with empathy and compassion.

 

 

How many rounds of empathy and compassion does it take to kill an intruder??

[tizz]

You obviously are not reading what I am writing so I will no longer bother

[Jhony5]

You obviously are not reading what I am writing so I will no longer bother

 

 

Please don't bother yourself on my account. I'm not worth it.

[snafu]

tizz that was a valid question. you can't protect yourself with words and compasion.

this country can't protect it self in the same way.

You need to wake up to reality.

[Lethalfind]

By voicing my opinion of my response to violence I am making no judgement on people who call themselves pacifists. I am only making a statement about how I feel about the type of violence I am likely to face in my lifetime. As a single Mother, the likelihood of my ever being drafted is unlikely, nevermind my age.

I still make no judgement about the stand people take.

Taking another persons life for whatever reason, or being responsible for it being taken, is something that would follow a person for the rest of their life. That has to be a personal decision.