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April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 3:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> >> (snip-

>

> >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> >> (snip)

>

> >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> >> You are a Stalinist.

> >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> (snip)

>

> Never debunked.

> Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

> of your choice of words:

>

> Quting Barry in this thread:

> "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

> of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

> Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

> opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

> personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

> police state terror under his rule).

>

> This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

> Stalinist Dan Christensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a...

> I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only hardened

> communists find the subtle difference important.

> To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

> undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in either

> ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>

> > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > torture and genocide

>

> which I don't.

> Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

> Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> More on Cuba and genocide (with links) see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

> > by your political masters in Washington and

> > Miami!

>

> Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> I am free.

> Nobody tells me what to think.

> you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to expell

> him.

>

> You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

> Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for years

> the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

> Chicago Tribune

> good reporting from Cuban bureau

> commercial U.S. daily newspaperhttp://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

>

> When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

>

> > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> Christensen

>

> You support a regime that:

> - does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

> - imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:

> the UMAP) - like the Nazi regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htmhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm

> more about the UMAP:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Se...

> - violates human rights - like the Nazi regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

> - persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regimehttp://groups..yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%...

> - burns books - like the Nazi regime

> - uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of

> social control - like the Nazi regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

> ...

> and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

> Quote:

> "In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

> fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this

> case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

> .....

> These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

> worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

> Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...

>

> "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this

> time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

> squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the

> actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem

> quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...

>

> Unquote

>

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Tu vives en el pasado, posiblemente no hab

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 5:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> >> (snip-

>

> >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> >> (snip)

>

> >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> >> You are a Stalinist.

> >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> (snip)

>

> Never debunked.

> Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

> of your choice of words:

>

[snip]

How very interesting. Nevertheless, the whole notion has been

thoroughly and repeatedly debunked here, most recently in the thread,

"'More Than 3 Billion People in the World Are Being Condemned to a

Premature Death ...' (Castro)." Also see "Democracy in Cuba / How is

the Cuba electoral system any different from that in the former USSR?"

at my website.

> > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > torture and genocide

>

> which I don't.

> Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

See what I mean, folks -- like an old Nazi, our Mr. Lobbyist here

denies everything.

> Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> More on Cuba and genocide (with links) see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in this regard, Mr.

Lobbyist? A major setback for all you embargo-Nazis, wasn't it?

Some time ago, I wrote to GW president, Gregory Stanton, pointing out

to him that no mainstream human rights group like Amnesty

International or Human Rights Watch will support the outrageous claims

at his website of some 75,000 deaths in Cuba. He could not explain

this, and simply referred me to their only source on Cuba -- a book by

US-based academic, Rudy Rummell. Apparently GW has never actually

investigated anything at all to do with Cuba! There isn't a single

article devoted to Cuba at their website -- only a large table listing

dozens of countries, perhaps for the purpose of impressing potential

donors, with a one-liner about Cuba.

Anyway, some time late in 2005, they withdrew their outrageous claim.

I won't claim responsibility, but now they wisely decline to give any

specific figure at all -- progress of a sort, I guess.

Similarly the same year, the London-based International Centre for

Prison Studies, year also backed down on their outrageous claims about

Cuba. Now, they list the USA as having the highest incarceration rate

in the world, with Cuba a distant 8th. Must be frustrating as hell,

eh, Mr. Lobbyist?

Here is what HRW, as long ago as 1989, had to say about the

exaggerated claims of your political masters in Miami and Washington:

"...[T]he Commission's initial decision to review human rights in Cuba

was due in large part to exaggerated U.S. charges of ongoing political

executions, disappearances and torture... [T]he U.N. delegation to

Cuba found no evidence to support those allegations."

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1989/WR89/Cuba.htm

> > by your political masters in Washington and

> > Miami!

>

> Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> I am free.

> Nobody tells me what to think.

Then why don't you denounce (or even comment on) the murder and

torture of opponents of the US regime in their network of secret jails

around the world (AI website). And why don't you denounce genocidal US

sanctions against the Cuban people -- your very own Final Solution --

about which even the UN Human Rights Commission was forced to concede

in a report critical of Cuba, "It is also impossible to ignore the

disastrous and lasting economic and social effects of the embargo

imposed on the Cuban population over 40 years ago." (SCC archives) I

think we all know why, Mr. Lobbyist.

> you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to expell

> him.

>

> You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

[snip]

Already debunked here. See the thread, "Cuban treatment of journalists

denounced."

> > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> Christensen

>

You are the one that continues to promote genocidal sanctions against

the Cuban people. And like most Nazis, you are in denial about these

crimes against against humanity in which you, as a propagandist and

self-proclaimed lobbyist, are fully complicit. You are in denial even

that Amnesty International was condemning your beloved embargo in

January when they said:

"Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to

be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

vulnerable members of the population."

For links, and further details, see featured article, "Is the US

embargo a form of genocide?" at my website.

As for the rest of your pathetic posting, once again you have been

reduced to repeating the same shop-worn, tired old lies that have been

debunked here again and again. (See most recently, the thread "Top

Official: US Wants Cuba 'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here runs

through almost his entire repertoire of desperate lies, distortions

and evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip-

>

> > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > (snip)

>

> > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > You are a Stalinist.

> > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > reality

> > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > PL

>

> ------------------------------------------------

>

> >El fraude

>

> eres tu viejo racista.

> Tus palabras:

> - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip-

>

> > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > (snip)

>

> > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > You are a Stalinist.

> > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > reality

> > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > PL

>

> ------------------------------------------------

>

> >El fraude

>

> eres tu viejo racista.

> Tus palabras:

> - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 3:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> >> (snip-

>

> >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> >> (snip)

>

> >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> >> You are a Stalinist.

> >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> (snip)

>

> Never debunked.

> Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

> of your choice of words:

>

> Quting Barry in this thread:

> "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

> of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

> Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

> opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

> personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

> police state terror under his rule).

>

> This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

> Stalinist Dan

> Christensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a...

> I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only hardened

> communists find the subtle difference important.

> To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

> undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in either

> ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>

> > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > torture and genocide

>

> which I don't.

> Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

> Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> More on Cuba and genocide (with links)

> see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

> > by your political masters in Washington and

> > Miami!

>

> Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> I am free.

> Nobody tells me what to think.

> you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to expell

> him.

>

> You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

> Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for

> years

> the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

> Chicago Tribune

> good reporting from Cuban bureau

> commercial U.S. daily

> newspaperhttp://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

>

> When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

>

> > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> Christensen

>

> You support a regime that:

> - does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi

> regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

> - imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the

> past:

> the UMAP) - like the Nazi

> regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htmhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm

> more about the

> UMAP:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Se...

> - violates human rights - like the Nazi

> regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

> - persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi

> regimehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%...

> - burns books - like the Nazi regime

> - uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system

> of

> social control - like the Nazi

> regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

> ...

> and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

> Quote:

> "In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

> fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In

> this

> case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

> .....

> These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

> worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

> Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to

> mind."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...

>

> "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

> this

> time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

> squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again,

> the

> actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents

> seem

> quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the

> circumstances."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...

>

> Unquote

>

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> Tu vives en el pasado,

No, en la realidad.

No en el mundo de tus mentiras viejo racista.

PL

April 9, 2007

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

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> On Apr 9, 5:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

bu-y which desperate Serial Liar Dan Christensen means he snipped what he

can't refute

>> "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>> >> (snip-

>>

>> >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

>> >> (snip)

>>

>> >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

>> >> You are a Stalinist.

>> >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

>> >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>>

>> > Repeatedly debunked here.

>>

>> (snip)

>>

>> Never debunked.

>> Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist

>> analysis

>> of your choice of words:

>>

> [snip]

>

> How very interesting.

(snip)

Yep.

it exposes your lies.

Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

of your choice of words:

Quting Barry in this thread:

"Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

police state terror under his rule).

This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

Stalinist Dan Christensen

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a01cb465a?dmode=source&hl=en

I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only hardened

communists find the subtle difference important.

To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in either

ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>> > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

>> > torture and genocide

>>

>> which I don't.

>> Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

>

> See what I mean, folks

They see very well comrad Dan

> -- like an old Nazi,

You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

Christensen

You support a regime that:

- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:

the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm

more about the UMAP:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- burns books - like the Nazi regime

- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of

social control - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

....

and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this

case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

......

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this

time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the

actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem

quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote

> our Mr. Lobbyist here

> denies everything.

I just expose your lies Mr. Serial liar.

>> Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

>> More on Cuba and genocide (with links)

>> see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>>

>

> Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in

(snip)

Castrro is still on Genocide Watch list comrade Dan.

No climb down at all.

see: http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm for links

YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from a

book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

Your private lies can't refute the public record.

You tried this one on a couple of times and always failed.

Do you deny you got the numbers wrong in your lie and that the

"exclusive" source you falsely claimed was used by Genocide Watch (another

"private" message) actually

gave a LOWER figure than Genocide Watch.

" I have clearly shown that your claim that Mr. Rummel is the one and only

source Genocide Watch uses is false by proving that Mr. Rummel (whose

credibility you attack without proof) gives a different figures than

Genocide Watch (73,000 versus 75,000). Genocide Watch correctly lists

Castro as a genocidal dictator because of his responsibility for the death

of over 75,000 people. "

When confronted with your lie you turned insult in to injury by claiming the

"made an error in copying", didn't you?

Dan's lie:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ff0ab4c53757e8a0?dmode=source&hl=en

My exposure of his lie:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a44230458e76b3c7?dmode=source&hl=en

Dan's pathetic claim Genocide Watch made a mistake:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8eeb4ad61f1463d4?dmode=source&hl=en

Just keep making a fool of yourself comrade Dan.

Your lies will be exposed over and over again.

>> you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

>> praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to

>> expell

>> him.

>>

>> You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

>> That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>>

> [snip]

>

> Already debunked here

(snip)

Never debunked comrade Dan.

Just snipped.

You can't deny the facts

> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

Nothing there comrade Dan. No links and quotes. Just you repeating your

lies.

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.

In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

........

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to

send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these

so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally

justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty

International,

Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.

Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on

vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that

time prove).

This was your false claim:

"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the

ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)

that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting

of your beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban

government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said

during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:

Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

report

that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the

trade sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty

International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of

conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional

release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners

previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is

detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their

rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on

your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba

in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and

unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro

regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a

BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen

the embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim

towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy

that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian

Stalinist

propagandist of SCC.

>> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

>> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

>> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

>> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>

> [snip]

>

> That was 4 years ago. As AI reiterated only last month:

>

> "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to

> be lifted,

(snip)

But NOWHERE and NEVER Amnsety calle for an immediate and unconditional end

to the trade sanctions comrade Dan.

that is your lie.

A lie you admit to every time you fail to post any corroboration.

PL

April 9, 2007

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On Apr 9, 2:37 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176043208.666586.143420@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> > (snip)

> > Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> > Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 11:13 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> > Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in

>

> (snip)

>

> Castrro is still on Genocide Watch list comrade Dan.

> No climb down at all.

Quite a climb down, actually. (See previous posting, which Mr.

Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons.)

>

> YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

>

> You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from a

> book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

> Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

> deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

> Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

> attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

>

Poor pathetic Little Miss Lobbyist... Just the thought of confirming

another source makes her poop her little pink panties! She would much

rather play it safe with her silly little girlish games here, than

risk getting her fat butt kicked again. (Once bitten, twice shy, eh,

Miss Lobbyist? Hee, hee, hee!)

Anyway, I see you STILL haven't found the balls to contact Mr. Stanton

(at genocidewatch@aol.com), as I did, to confirm what I said. Until

you are man enough to do so, do not expect a reply from on this

matter. (Not that it really matters at this point, as Stanton quietly

yanked the numbers in question from his website well over a year ago

anyway.)

Again, we are left with the fact that the only genocide here is in

fact your beloved embargo. Makes you proud, don't it, Mr. Lobbyist --

your very own Final Solution. Dolf would have been so proud of you. No

one hated commies more than he did!

See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my

website.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 9:01 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176119660.991077.270670@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip-

>

> > > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > > (snip)

>

> > > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > > You are a Stalinist.

> > > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > > reality

> > > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > > PL

>

> > ------------------------------------------------

>

> > >El fraude

>

> > eres tu viejo racista.

> > Tus palabras:

> > - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 9:02 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176119989.062861.323540@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip-

>

> > > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > > (snip)

>

> > > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > > You are a Stalinist.

> > > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > > reality

> > > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > > PL

>

> > ------------------------------------------------

>

> > >El fraude

>

> > eres tu viejo racista.

> > Tus palabras:

> > - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 9:03 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176120161.591040.73760@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> > >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > >> (snip-

>

> > >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > >> (snip)

>

> > >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > >> You are a Stalinist.

> > >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> > (snip)

>

> > Never debunked.

> > Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist analysis

> > of your choice of words:

>

> > Quting Barry in this thread:

> > "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> > those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> > Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

> > of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

> > Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

> > opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

> > personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

> > police state terror under his rule).

>

> > This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

> > Stalinist Dan

> > Christensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a...

> > I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only hardened

> > communists find the subtle difference important.

> > To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

> > undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in either

> > ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>

> > > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > > torture and genocide

>

> > which I don't.

> > Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

> > Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> > More on Cuba and genocide (with links)

> > see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

> > > by your political masters in Washington and

> > > Miami!

>

> > Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> > I am free.

> > Nobody tells me what to think.

> > you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> > praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to expell

> > him.

>

> > You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> > That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

> > Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for

> > years

> > the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

> > Chicago Tribune

> > good reporting from Cuban bureau

> > commercial U.S. daily

> > newspaperhttp://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

>

> > When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

>

> > > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> > For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> > You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> > Christensen

>

> > You support a regime that:

> > - does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

> > - imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the

> > past:

> > the UMAP) - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htmhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/ind...

> > more about the

> > UMAP:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Se...

> > - violates human rights - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

> > - persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%...

> > - burns books - like the Nazi regime

> > - uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system

> > of

> > social control - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

> > ...

> > and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

> > Quote:

> > "In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

> > fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In

> > this

> > case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

> > .....

> > These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

> > worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

> > Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to

> > mind."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...

>

> > "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

> > this

> > time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

> > squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again,

> > the

> > actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents

> > seem

> > quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the

> > circumstances."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...

>

> > Unquote

>

> > PL- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> ---------------

>

> > Tu vives en el pasado,

>

> No, en la realidad.

> No en el mundo de tus mentiras viejo racista.

>

> PL- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Si no pones cuidad a lo que te dicen, seguir

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 9:16 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176118943.543170.290280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 2:37 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043208.666586.143420@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip)

> > > Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > > > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > > > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> > > Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > > > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 11:22 am, "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 11:13 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

> > > Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in

>

> > (snip)

>

> > Castrro is still on Genocide Watch list comrade Dan.

> > No climb down at all.

>

> Quite a climb down, actually. (See previous posting, which Mr.

> Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons.)

>

> > YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

>

> > You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from a

> > book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

> > Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

> > deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

> > Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

> > attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

>

> Poor pathetic Little Miss Lobbyist... Just the thought of confirming

> another source makes her poop her little pink panties! She would much

> rather play it safe with her silly little girlish games here, than

> risk getting her fat butt kicked again. (Once bitten, twice shy, eh,

> Miss Lobbyist? Hee, hee, hee!)

>

> Anyway, I see you STILL haven't found the balls to contact Mr. Stanton

> (at genocidewa...@aol.com), as I did, to confirm what I said. Until

> you are man enough to do so, do not expect a reply from on this

> matter. (Not that it really matters at this point, as Stanton quietly

> yanked the numbers in question from his website well over a year ago

> anyway.)

>

> Again, we are left with the fact that the only genocide here is in

> fact your beloved embargo. Makes you proud, don't it, Mr. Lobbyist --

> your very own Final Solution. Dolf would have been so proud of you. No

> one hated commies more than he did!

>

> See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my

> website.

>

> Dan

> Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website athttp://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I think P.L has never seen your website. If he has, then he is an

idiot or an hypocrite.

T.Schmidt

P.S.

April 9, 2007

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On Apr 9, 9:01 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176119660.991077.270670@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip-

>

> > > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > > (snip)

>

> > > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > > You are a Stalinist.

> > > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > > reality

> > > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > > PL

>

> > ------------------------------------------------

>

> > >El fraude

>

> > eres tu viejo racista.

> > Tus palabras:

> > - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

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On Apr 9, 9:02 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176119989.062861.323540@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:41 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043353.992539.196050@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip-

>

> > > A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > > (snip)

>

> > > You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > > You are a Stalinist.

> > > Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > > Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Just look at the page:http://www.cubaverdad.net/stalinist_system.htm

> > > where the combination of a true Trotskyite view and links to current

> > > reality

> > > in Cuba clearly show that Cuba is a Stalinist country.

>

> > > You are a Stalinist fraud Barry.

>

> > > PL

>

> > ------------------------------------------------

>

> > >El fraude

>

> > eres tu viejo racista.

> > Tus palabras:

> > - "Alemania est

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 9:03 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176120161.591040.73760@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> > >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > >> (snip-

>

> > >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > >> (snip)

>

> > >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > >> You are a Stalinist.

> > >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> > (snip)

>

> > Never debunked.

> > Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist

> > analysis

> > of your choice of words:

>

> > Quting Barry in this thread:

> > "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> > those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> > Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

> > of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

> > Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

> > opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

> > personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

> > police state terror under his rule).

>

> > This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

> > Stalinist Dan

> > Christensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a...

> > I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only

> > hardened

> > communists find the subtle difference important.

> > To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

> > undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in

> > either

> > ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>

> > > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > > torture and genocide

>

> > which I don't.

> > Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

> > Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> > More on Cuba and genocide (with links)

> > see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

> > > by your political masters in Washington and

> > > Miami!

>

> > Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> > I am free.

> > Nobody tells me what to think.

> > you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> > praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to

> > expell

> > him.

>

> > You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> > That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

> > Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for

> > years

> > the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

> > Chicago Tribune

> > good reporting from Cuban bureau

> > commercial U.S. daily

> > newspaperhttp://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

>

> > When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

>

> > > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> > For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> > You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> > Christensen

>

> > You support a regime that:

> > - does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

> > - imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the

> > past:

> > the UMAP) - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htmhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/ind...

> > more about the

> > UMAP:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Se...

> > - violates human rights - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

> > - persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%...

> > - burns books - like the Nazi regime

> > - uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated

> > system

> > of

> > social control - like the Nazi

> > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

> > ...

> > and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

> > Quote:

> > "In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

> > worth

> > fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In

> > this

> > case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

> > .....

> > These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

> > worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

> > Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to

> > mind."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...

>

> > "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

> > this

> > time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send

> > death

> > squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again,

> > the

> > actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents

> > seem

> > quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the

> > circumstances."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...

>

> > Unquote

>

> > PL- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> ---------------

>

> > Tu vives en el pasado,

>

> No, en la realidad.

> No en el mundo de tus mentiras viejo racista.

>

> PL- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

> Si no pones cuidad a lo que te dicen, seguir

April 9, 2007

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

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> On Apr 9, 11:13 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

>> > Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in

>>

>> (snip)

>>

>> Castrro is still on Genocide Watch list comrade Dan.

>> No climb down at all.

>

> Quite a climb down, actually. (

(snip)

Nope.

Castro is firmly on their list

http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/genpolmmchart.htm

>> YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

>>

>> You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number

>> from a

>> book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

>> Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

>> deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

>> Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

>> attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

>>

>

> Poor pathetic Little Miss Lobbyist...

(snip)

Insults don't change reality Mr. Serial Liar

YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from a

book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

Your private lies can't refute the public record.

You tried this one on a couple of times and always failed.

Do you deny you got the numbers wrong in your lie and that the

"exclusive" source you falsely claimed was used by Genocide Watch (another

"private" message) actually

gave a LOWER figure than Genocide Watch.

" I have clearly shown that your claim that Mr. Rummel is the one and only

source Genocide Watch uses is false by proving that Mr. Rummel (whose

credibility you attack without proof) gives a different figures than

Genocide Watch (73,000 versus 75,000). Genocide Watch correctly lists

Castro as a genocidal dictator because of his responsibility for the death

of over 75,000 people. "

When confronted with your lie you turned insult in to injury by claiming the

"made an error in copying", didn't you?

Dan's lie:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ff0ab4c53757e8a0?dmode=source&hl=en

My exposure of his lie:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a44230458e76b3c7?dmode=source&hl=en

Dan's pathetic claim Genocide Watch made a mistake:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8eeb4ad61f1463d4?dmode=source&hl=en

Just keep making a fool of yourself comrade Dan.

Your lies will be exposed over and over again.

> See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my

> website.

The facts ons Cuba and genocide: (the link serial liar Dan Christensen

snipped)

http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.

In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

........

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to

send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these

so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally

justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty

International,

Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.

Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on

vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that

time prove).

This was your false claim:

"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the

ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)

that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting

of your beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban

government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said

during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:

Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

report

that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the

trade sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty

International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of

conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional

release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners

previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is

detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their

rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on

your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba

in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and

unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro

regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a

BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen

the embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim

towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy

that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian

Stalinist

propagandist of SCC.

PL

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1176143077.667995.47340@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 9, 11:22 am, "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 11:13 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

> > > Did you forget about GW's recent climb-down in

>

> > (snip)

>

> > Castrro is still on Genocide Watch list comrade Dan.

> > No climb down at all.

>

> Quite a climb down, actually. (See previous posting, which Mr.

> Lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons.)

>

> > YOUR LIE about Genocide Watch.

>

> > You falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number

> > from a

> > book by Rummel. Another case of "private information".

> > Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000

> > deaths attributable to the Castro regime.

> > Genocide Watch showed a figure of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly

> > attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.

>

> Poor pathetic Little Miss Lobbyist... Just the thought of confirming

> another source makes her poop her little pink panties! She would much

> rather play it safe with her silly little girlish games here, than

> risk getting her fat butt kicked again. (Once bitten, twice shy, eh,

> Miss Lobbyist? Hee, hee, hee!)

>

> Anyway, I see you STILL haven't found the balls to contact Mr. Stanton

> (at genocidewa...@aol.com), as I did, to confirm what I said. Until

> you are man enough to do so, do not expect a reply from on this

> matter. (Not that it really matters at this point, as Stanton quietly

> yanked the numbers in question from his website well over a year ago

> anyway.)

>

> Again, we are left with the fact that the only genocide here is in

> fact your beloved embargo. Makes you proud, don't it, Mr. Lobbyist --

> your very own Final Solution. Dolf would have been so proud of you. No

> one hated commies more than he did!

>

> See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my

> website.

>

> Dan

> Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website

> athttp://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

> I think P.L has never seen your website.

(snip)

False.

I have been exposing lies on his site for years.

I even had pages removed.

Just one example:

A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

report

that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the

trade sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty

International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of

conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional

release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners

previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is

detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their

rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on

your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba

in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and

unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro

regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a

BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen

the embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim

towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy

that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian

Stalinist

propagandist of SCC.

PL

April 9, 2007

"ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 9:16 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176118943.543170.290280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 2:37 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176043208.666586.143420@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 8, 6:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> > > (snip)

> > > Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > > > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > > > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> > > Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > > > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 1:25 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176142812.667653.173440@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 9:03 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:1176120161.591040.73760@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > On Apr 9, 3:58 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> > > "Dan Christensen" <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1176094551.566099.57540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > > > On Apr 8, 8:23 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> > > >> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> > > >>news:1176014358.836004.293880@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > > >> (snip-

>

> > > >> A "Trotskyist" is one, myself included,

> > > >> (snip)

>

> > > >> You are no "Troskyist" Barry.

> > > >> You are a Stalinist.

> > > >> Trotskyists don't support the Cuban rgeime.

> > > >> Stalinists like Dan Christensen and you do.

>

> > > > Repeatedly debunked here.

>

> > > (snip)

>

> > > Never debunked.

> > > Even Barry says you are a Stalinist based on his expert communist

> > > analysis

> > > of your choice of words:

>

> > > Quting Barry in this thread:

> > > "Trotskyite" is the term of contempt used who dislike or hate

> > > those who are quite influenced by or adherent of the writings of Leon

> > > Trotsky, a key co-leader of the Russian Revolution (who served as head

> > > of Red Army, among other capacities) and founder of the Left

> > > Opposition (i.e., the international organization opposed to the polar

> > > opposite of Lenin's ideas and policies which were epitomized and

> > > personified by Joseph Stalin and the counterevolutionary practices and

> > > police state terror under his rule).

>

> > > This is where I got the word: a message from (no confirmed) Canadian

> > > Stalinist Dan

> > > Christensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.latin-america/msg/c442857a...

> > > I have to say that the nuance was lost on me and that indeed only

> > > hardened

> > > communists find the subtle difference important.

> > > To me it sounds like one opponent of democracy calling the other

> > > undemocratic. A rather hypocrite exercise to look for democracy in

> > > either

> > > ideology as they both are based on the acceptance of dictatorships.

>

> > > > And somewhat ironic coming from someone like you who supports murder,

> > > > torture and genocide

>

> > > which I don't.

> > > Those are just your frustrated lies comrade Dan.

> > > Your hero Castro is theone that is on Genocide Watch's list.

> > > More on Cuba and genocide (with links)

> > > see:http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

>

> > > > by your political masters in Washington and

> > > > Miami!

>

> > > Unlike you Mr. Serial Liar I have no masters.

> > > I am free.

> > > Nobody tells me what to think.

> > > you on the other hand start attacking the same journalist you have been

> > > praising for years on your website when the Cuban regime decides to

> > > expell

> > > him.

>

> > > You recommended the "Cuban bureau" of the Chicago Tribune on your site.

> > > That has has been Gary Marx since 2002.

>

> > > Dan Christensen, serial liar, on his website about the Gary Marx (for

> > > years

> > > the "Cuban bureau of the Chicago tribune)

> > > Chicago Tribune

> > > good reporting from Cuban bureau

> > > commercial U.S. daily

> > > newspaperhttp://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQNews.html

>

> > > When he was expelled you referred to him as not being "suitable".

>

> > > > Whatever it takes, right, Nazi boy?

>

> > > For you only Mr. Serial Liar

>

> > > You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> > > Christensen

>

> > > You support a regime that:

> > > - does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi

> > > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

> > > - imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the

> > > past:

> > > the UMAP) - like the Nazi

> > > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htmhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/ind...

> > > more about the

> > > UMAP:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Se...

> > > - violates human rights - like the Nazi

> > > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights..htm

> > > - persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi

> > > regimehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%...

> > > - burns books - like the Nazi regime

> > > - uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated

> > > system

> > > of

> > > social control - like the Nazi

> > > regimehttp://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

> > > ...

> > > and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

> > > Quote:

> > > "In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

> > > worth

> > > fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In

> > > this

> > > case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

> > > .....

> > > These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

> > > worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

> > > Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to

> > > mind."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%...

>

> > > "It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

> > > this

> > > time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send

> > > death

> > > squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again,

> > > the

> > > actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents

> > > seem

> > > quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the

> > > circumstances."http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%...

>

> > > Unquote

>

> > > PL- Hide quoted text -

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> > > - Show quoted text -

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> > ---------------

>

> > > Tu vives en el pasado,

>

> > No, en la realidad.

> > No en el mundo de tus mentiras viejo racista.

>

> > PL- Hide quoted text -

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> > - Show quoted text -

>

> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>

> > Si no pones cuidad a lo que te dicen, seguir

April 9, 2007

On Apr 9, 3:35 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

>

> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

> Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

>

> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

> report

> that:

>

> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>

[snip]

See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original AI

reports). In January, AI reiterated its condemnation of your beloved

embargo saying:

"Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to

be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

health and sanitation - particularly affecting the weakest and most

vulnerable members of the population.According to UNICEF, the

availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

Cuba as a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

It has been several months now, and we are STILL waiting for you to

answer this one simple question:

In light of this obvious condemnation of your beloved embargo, do you

actually believe that that AI would support these cruel sanctions of

yours for as long as it takes for certain of your "precondtions" to

met? If not, just how long do you think they would be willing to

inflict sanctions that they themselves admit are "highly detrimental

to Cubans' enjoyment of a range of economic, social and cultural

rights, such as the right to food, health and sanitation -

particularly affecting the weakest and most vulnerable members of the

population." Another year? Maybe another month? I think the answer is

obvious to any decent person, but apparently NOT to you, Mr. Lobbyist.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 9, 2007

Fixed typos.

On Apr 9, 3:35 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

>

> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

> Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

>

> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

> report

> that:

>

> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>

[snip]

See the follow-up at the bottom of the page above with links to the

original AI reports. In January, AI reiterated its condemnation of

your beloved embargo saying: