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April 10, 2007

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1176150251.972578.326370@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 9, 3:35 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

>> A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

>>

>> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

>> Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

>>

>> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

>> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

>> report

>> that:

>>

>> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

>> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

>> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

>> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>>

> [snip]

>

> See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original AI

> reports).

(snip)

and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY stating it

wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions INCLUDING

the report he referred to.

Your lie is exposed Stalinist Dan

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.

In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

........

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to

send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these

so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally

justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty

International,

Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.

Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on

vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that

time prove).

This was your false claim:

"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the

ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)

that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting

of your beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban

government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said

during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:

Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

report

that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the

trade sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty

International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of

conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional

release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners

previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is

detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their

rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on

your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba

in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and

unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro

regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a

BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen

the embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim

towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy

that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian

Stalinist

propagandist of SCC.

PL

April 10, 2007

Once the same lying crap ie enough comrade Dan.

Don't flood the newsgroups again with identical crap.

PL

April 10, 2007

On Apr 9, 2:07 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176100126.091674.220910@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> >On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >> (snip)

> >> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> >> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> >> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> >> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> >> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 10, 2007

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1176220399.408892.217990@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>On Apr 9, 2:07 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1176100126.091674.220910@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>> >> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>> >> (snip)

>> >> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>>

>>> >> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

>> >> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>>

>> >> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>>

>> >> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 11, 2007

On Apr 10, 7:11 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

>

> >> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

> >> Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

>

> >> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

> >> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

> >> report

> >> that:

>

> >> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

> >> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

> >> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

> >> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>

> > [snip]

>

> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original AI

> > reports).

>

> (snip)

>

> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY stating it

> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions INCLUDING

> the report he referred to.

How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

"Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to

be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

Cuba as a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

--AI website, January 2007

For four months now, you have repeatedly refused to answer one simple

question. Since you snipped it for obvious reasons, here is the

question again:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, Mr. Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

So, you can forget about your silly little word games here, MISS

Lobbyist -- you are fooling no one. You are looking like some kind of

bloodthirsty buffoon and a coward! Until you can find the balls and

the courage of your convictions to answer these straightforward

questions, do not expect a reply from me on this matter.

See featured article, "Is the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my

website. Also see "Human Rights / Amnesty International slams US

embargo." (Both Include links to original AI documents.)

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 11, 2007

as usual Candian Stalinist Dan Christensen tries to change the subject when

he is stuck.

He then resorts to moronic insults in both the hreader of the message and

the text.

Nothing new there.

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1176261119.370734.75640@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 10, 7:11 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

>> >> A message I have addressed to Dan about his lying website:

>>

>> >> YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

>> >> Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

>>

>> >> Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

>> >> quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

>> >> report

>> >> that:

>>

>> >> "Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

>> >> denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

>> >> its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

>> >> sanctions"http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

>>

>> > [snip]

>>

>> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original AI

>> > reports).

>>

>> (snip)

>>

>> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY stating

>> it

>> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

>> INCLUDING

>> the report he referred to.

>

> How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo against Cuba to

> be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> Cuba as a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> --AI website, January 2007

No link as usual.

NOWHERE Amnesty is asking for an immediate and unconditional en to the trade

sanctions in ANY part of that or ANY other report.

You have confirmed that again by failing to post a quote and you have

exposed your own website as a pack of lies.

By the way:

What year is the quoted Unicef report from? 1995, no?

See: http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR250032007

Isnt' the US in fact the 6/7th trading partner of Cuba and isn't it the

largest food supllier of Cuba, a country that depends on imports for 84% of

the basic foodstuffs of the people?

(snip)

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well

worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.

In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

........

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At

this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to

send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these

so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally

justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty

International,

Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.

Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on

vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that

time prove).

This was your false claim:

"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the

ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)

that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting

of your beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban

government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said

during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:

Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report

quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same

report

that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the

trade sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from

these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty

International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of

conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional

release."

In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners

previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is

detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their

rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on

your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba

in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and

unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro

regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a

BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen

the embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim

towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy

that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the

forefront of its concerns".

See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian

Stalinist

propagandist of SCC.

PL

April 11, 2007

On Apr 11, 4:30 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original AI

> >> > reports).

>

> >> (snip)

>

> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY stating

> >> it

> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

> >> INCLUDING

> >> the report he referred to.

>

> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> > --AI website, January 2007

>

> No link as usual.

>

Like most Nazis, it seems our Mr. Lobbyist is STILL in denial. See

links to original AI documents in featured article, "Is the US embargo

a form of genocide?" at my website.

> NOWHERE Amnesty is asking for an immediate and unconditional en to the trade

> sanctions in ANY part of that or ANY other report.

Enough of your silly word games, MISS Lobbyist. Be a man, for once and

answer just the question. Again, since you snipped it for obvious

reasons, here is the question again:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, Mr. Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

> You have confirmed that again by failing to post a quote and you have

> exposed your own website as a pack of lies.

>

> By the way:

> What year is the quoted Unicef report from? 1995, no?

> See:http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR250032007

> Isnt' the US in fact the 6/7th trading partner ofCubaand isn't it the

> largest food supllier ofCuba, a country that depends on imports for 84% of

> the basic foodstuffs of the people?

[snip]

Already debunked here. According to a recent AP article in the LA

Times, US food exports to Cuba totalled only $340 million for 2006.

(Other of your own posting confirm this.) That amounts to only 8

cents per person per day (at world market prices). And this amount has

been declining ever year since 2004 with the Bush regime's ever

escalating attempts to kill off this trade with unprecedented

financial restrictions and harassing of foreign banks that facilitate

it.

Even if this was given freely, however, it wouldn't come close to

making up for the devastation caused by your beloved genocidal

embargo. So, enough of your rationalizations, Mr. Lobbyist. Be a man

for once and answer the question. What are you afraid of? Afraid that

people will see once and for all what bloodthirsty buffoon you really

are?

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 11, 2007

Trying to change the subject with lies and insults doesn't change the facts

Canadian Stalinist Dan Christensen

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1176296118.469028.221730@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 11, 4:30 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

>> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original

>> >> > AI

>> >> > reports).

>>

>> >> (snip)

>>

>> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

>> >> stating

>> >> it

>> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

>> >> INCLUDING

>> >> the report he referred to.

>>

>> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>>

>> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

>> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

>> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

>> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

>> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

>> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

>> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

>> > --AI website, January 2007

>>

>> No link as usual.

>>

>

> Like most Nazis,

You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

Christensen

You support a regime that:

- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm

- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the past:

the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm

http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm

more about the UMAP:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm

- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8

- burns books - like the Nazi regime

- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated system of

social control - like the Nazi regime

http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

....

and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:

Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well worth

fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In this

case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

......

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less

worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the

Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At this

time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send death

squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia. Again, the

actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called dissidents seem

quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote

> it seems our Mr. Lobbyist is STILL in denial.

(snip)

Nope.

I still see you can't post ANY DIRECT QUOTE from Amnesty International that

would support the lying claim you made on your website (see below)

>> NOWHERE Amnesty is asking for an immediate and unconditional en to the

>> trade

>> sanctions in ANY part of that or ANY other report.

>

> Enough of your silly word games

(snip)

No "silly word games" comrade Dan.

Just showing that you lied on your website at this page:

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

where you claim:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly

denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear

its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel

sanctions"

while Amnesty only asks for the immediate and unconditional realease of the

prisoners of conscince in the report you refere to (see full story below)

>> You have confirmed that again by failing to post a quote and you have

>> exposed your own website as a pack of lies.

>>

>> By the way:

>> What year is the quoted Unicef report from? 1995, no?

Note how comrade Dan does not deny that the Unicef statement PREDATES BY 7

YEARS the fact that the US has become in the mean time the largest food

supplier of Cuba.

>> See:http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR250032007

>> Isnt' the US in fact the 6/7th trading partner ofCubaand isn't it the

>> largest food supllier ofCuba, a country that depends on imports for 84%

>> of

>> the basic foodstuffs of the people?

>

> [snip]

>

> Already debunked here.

Never debunked comrade Dan.

Confirmed by a Cuban minister on official Cuban websites as far as the 84%

figure is concerned and by lots of sources as far as the top food provider

is concerned

On the 84%:

Cuba imports 84% of its food on the ration card

Vice Minister of Economy and Planning Magalys Calvo reported that Cuba must

import 84% of its food that is distributed by ration cards in a speech at

the Provincial Assembly of Popular Power (local parliament) in Camag

April 11, 2007

On Apr 11, 9:17 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original

> >> >> > AI

> >> >> > reports).

>

> >> >> (snip)

>

> >> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

> >> >> stating

> >> >> it

> >> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

> >> >> INCLUDING

> >> >> the report he referred to.

>

> >> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> >> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

> >> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> >> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> >> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> >> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> >> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> >> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> >> > --AI website, January 2007

>

> >> No link as usual.

>

> > Like most Nazis,

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

> Christensen

>

[snip]

As we see here, you are the one who, as a propagandist and self-

proclaimed lobbyist, actively promotes genocidal sanctions against the

Cuban people, sanctions that have been condemned by the UN and human

rights groups like Amnesty International. (See featured article, "Is

the US embargo a form of genocide?" at my website.) In complete

denial, you refuse to answer even the simplest question on this matter

(see below).

You also refuse to comment on -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and

torture of opponents of you political masters in secret jails around

the world (AI website). The Bush regime apparently has your full

support in this. Just like you supported the US-backed Batista regime.

Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist? One can just imagine the reign

of terror you would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever got the

chance again!

Again, you refuse to address these crimes against humanity (above) in

which you are fully complicit. Instead, you prefer to lash out with

your pathetic attempts to discredit me -- each themselves recently

discredited and debunked at SCC. (See, for example, the thread "Top

Official: US Wants Cuba 'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here

obligingly runs through almost his entire repertoire of desperate

lies, distortions and evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

It obviously means nothing to you to promote these sanctions against

the Cuban people that even Amnesty International must now concede are

"used to harm the most vulnerable members of society." And that the

UNHRC says has had "disastrous and lasting economic and social

effects." And that was BEFORE the Bush regime's recent move to

intensify these cruel sanctions! All in a day's work, right, Mr.

Lobbyist?

BTW, we are STILL waiting for you to answer that one simple question

on Amnesty International recent condemnation of your beloved embargo,

MISS Lobbyist. Since you keep snipping it for obvious reasons, here

again is that question that you seem to hate so much:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, MISS Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

If you still haven't found your balls and the courage of your

convinctions to answer these simple questions, and are simply going to

keep mindlessly repeating your failed arguments and self-serving

rationalizations here, do not expect a reply from me on this matter.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 11, 2007

On Apr 11, 9:17 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original

> >> >> > AI

> >> >> > reports).

>

> >> >> (snip)

>

> >> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

> >> >> stating

> >> >> it

> >> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

> >> >> INCLUDING

> >> >> the report he referred to.

>

> >> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> >> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

> >> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> >> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> >> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> >> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> >> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> >> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> >> > --AI website, January 2007

>

> >> No link as usual.

>

> > Like most Nazis,

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes,

[snip PL's same old rationalizations]

You are the one who, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist,

has been promoting genocidal sanctions against the Cuban people for

years, sanctions that have been condemned by the UN and human rights

groups including Amnesty International -- something about which you

STILL refuse to comment (see below).

You have also pointedly refused to comment on -- never mind condemn --

the murder and torture of opponents of your political masters in

secret jails around the world (AI website). The Bush regime obviously

has your full support in this. One can just imagine the reign of

terror you would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever got the

chance again!

Again, you refuse to address these crimes against humanity (above) in

which you, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist, are fully

complicit. Instead, you prefer to lash out with your pathetic attempts

to discredit me -- each themselves recently discredited and debunked

at SCC. (See, for example, the thread "Top Official: US Wants Cuba

'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here obligingly runs through

almost his entire repertoire of desperate lies, distortions and

evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

It obviously means nothing to you to promote these sanctions against

the Cuban people that even Amnesty International must now concede are

"used to harm the most vulnerable members of society." And that the

UNHRC says has had "disastrous and lasting economic and social

effects." And that was BEFORE the Bush regime's recent move to

intensify these cruel sanctions! All in a day's work, right, Mr.

Lobbyist?

BTW, we are STILL waiting for you answer that one simple question. It

has been several months now. Since you keep snipping it for obvious

reasons, here is that question again:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, Miss Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

Anyway, if you still haven't found your balls and the courage of your

convinctions to answer these simple questions, and are simply going to

keep repeating your failed arguements and self-serving

rationalizations here, do not expect a reply from me on these matters.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 11, 2007

Experiencing transmission problems. Resending this posting.

On Apr 11, 9:17 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original

> >> >> > AI

> >> >> > reports).

>

> >> >> (snip)

>

> >> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

> >> >> stating

> >> >> it

> >> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

> >> >> INCLUDING

> >> >> the report he referred to.

>

> >> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> >> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

> >> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> >> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> >> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> >> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> >> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> >> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> >> > --AI website, January 2007

>

> >> No link as usual.

>

> > Like most Nazis,

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes,

[snip PL's same old rationalizations]

You are the one who, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist,

has been promoting genocidal sanctions against the Cuban people for

years, sanctions that have been condemned by the UN and human rights

groups including Amnesty International -- something about which you

STILL refuse to comment (see below).

You have also pointedly refused to comment on -- never mind condemn --

the murder and torture of opponents of your political masters in

secret jails around the world (AI website). The Bush regime obviously

has your full support in this. One can just imagine the reign of

terror you would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever got the

chance again!

Again, you refuse to address these crimes against humanity (above) in

which you, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist, are fully

complicit. Instead, you prefer to lash out with your pathetic attempts

to discredit me -- each themselves recently discredited and debunked

at SCC. (See, for example, the thread "Top Official: US Wants Cuba

'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here obligingly runs through

almost his entire repertoire of desperate lies, distortions and

evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

It obviously means nothing to you to promote these sanctions against

the Cuban people that even Amnesty International must now concede are

"used to harm the most vulnerable members of society." And that the

UNHRC says has had "disastrous and lasting economic and social

effects." And that was BEFORE the Bush regime's recent move to

intensify these cruel sanctions! All in a day's work, right, Mr.

Lobbyist?

BTW, we are STILL waiting for you answer that one simple question. It

has been several months now. Since you keep snipping it for obvious

reasons, here is that question again:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, Miss Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

Anyway, if you still haven't found your balls and the courage of your

convictions to answer these simple questions, and are simply going to

keep repeating your failed arguments and self-serving rationalizations

here, do not expect a reply from me on these matters.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 12, 2007

Having transmission problems. Resending this posting. Sorry for any

duplication.

On Apr 11, 9:17 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

to bother with]

> >> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to original

> >> >> > AI

> >> >> > reports).

>

> >> >> (snip)

>

> >> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

> >> >> stating

> >> >> it

> >> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

> >> >> INCLUDING

> >> >> the report he referred to.

>

> >> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>

> >> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

> >> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range

> >> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

> >> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

> >> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

> >> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased in

> >> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

> >> > --AI website, January 2007

>

> >> No link as usual.

>

> > Like most Nazis,

>

> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes,

[snip PL's same old rationalizations]

You are the one who, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist,

has been promoting genocidal sanctions against the Cuban people for

years, sanctions that have been condemned by the UN and human rights

groups including Amnesty International -- something about which you

STILL refuse to comment (see below).

You have also pointedly refused to comment on -- never mind condemn --

the murder and torture of opponents of your political masters in

secret jails around the world (AI website). The Bush regime obviously

has your full support in this. One can just imagine the reign of

terror you would unleash on the Cuban people if you ever got the

chance again!

Again, you refuse to address these crimes against humanity (above) in

which you, as a propagandist and self-proclaimed lobbyist, are fully

complicit. Instead, you prefer to lash out with your pathetic attempts

to discredit me -- each themselves recently discredited and debunked

at SCC. (See, for example, the thread "Top Official: US Wants Cuba

'Liberation'" where our Mr. Lobbyist here obligingly runs through

almost his entire repertoire of desperate lies, distortions and

evasions (including those here) at:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

It obviously means nothing to you to promote these sanctions against

the Cuban people that even Amnesty International must now concede are

"used to harm the most vulnerable members of society." And that the

UNHRC says has had "disastrous and lasting economic and social

effects." And that was BEFORE the Bush regime's recent move to

intensify these cruel sanctions! All in a day's work, right, Mr.

Lobbyist?

BTW, we are STILL waiting for you answer that one simple question. It

has been several months now. Since you keep snipping it for obvious

reasons, here is that question again:

In light of AI's recent condemnation of your beloved embargo (above),

do you actually believe that they would support these cruel sanctions

for as along as it takes for certain "preconditions" of yours to be

met? YES or NO, Miss Lobbyist.

If no, then how long do you think they WOULD support these sanctions

that they themselves say are being "used to harm the most vulnerable

members of society?" For another year maybe? Another six months?

Again, any decent person knows the answer.

Anyway, if you still haven't found your balls and the courage of your

convinctions to answer these simple questions, and are simply going to

keep repeating your failed arguements and self-serving

rationalizations here, do not expect a reply from me on these matters.

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 12, 2007

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1176325722.238145.4980@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 11, 9:17 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

>

> [snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame

> to bother with]

>

>> >> >> > See the follow-up at the bottom of this page (with link to

>> >> >> > original

>> >> >> > AI

>> >> >> > reports).

>>

>> >> >> (snip)

>>

>> >> >> and Dan Christensen CAN NOT QUOTE ANY DIRECT QUOTE FROM AMNESTY

>> >> >> stating

>> >> >> it

>> >> >> wants and immediate and unconditional end to the trade sanctions

>> >> >> INCLUDING

>> >> >> the report he referred to.

>>

>> >> > How about this, Mr. Lobbyist:

>>

>> >> > "Amnesty International has called for the US embargo againstCubato

>> >> > be lifted, as it is highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a

>> >> > range

>> >> > of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to food,

>> >> > health and sanitation -- particularly affecting the weakest and most

>> >> > vulnerable members of the population. According to UNICEF, the

>> >> > availability of medicines and basic medical materials has decreased

>> >> > in

>> >> >Cubaas a consequence of the US embargo against the island."

>> >> > --AI website, January 2007

>>

>> >> No link as usual.

AND NO QUOTE

>> > Like most Nazis,

>>

>> You are the only one with "Nazi" attitudes, hypocrite Stalinist Dan

>> Christensen

>>

> [snip]

>

> As we see here, you are the one who, as a propagandist and self-

> proclaimed lobbyist, actively promotes genocidal sanctions

(snip)

Nope.

Those are your lies

The only genocide in Cuba that is recognized by any reputable international

organization is the democide and politicide by Castro.

http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm (with links to Genocide Watch)

> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

>

(snip)

No linkls to anything but your lies comrade Dan.

By again FAILING to post even ONE direct quote on any of your claims you

have exposed yourself again as a serial liar.

Not than people in SCC needed another proof of that.

In this thread I have shown that:

- you lied about Amnesty International

- you lied about me

- you lied about the level to which Cuba is dependent on food imports for

the basic foodstuffs (84%)

I have also shown that you even contradict Cuban ministers and other top

officials (like the head of Alimport) in your desperate propaganda.

In short: you are exposed as the self declared "cyber activist" (unlike you

I can quote your own words) that lies for his cause.

Your abuses against usenet etiquette and your lies won't change anything Dan

Christensen. You are a propagandist cyber liar that snips and lies.

The facts:

On the 84%:

Cuba imports 84% of its food on the ration card

Vice Minister of Economy and Planning Magalys Calvo reported that Cuba must

import 84% of its food that is distributed by ration cards in a speech at

the Provincial Assembly of Popular Power (local parliament) in Camag

April 12, 2007

Once the same crap is enopugh Candian Stalinist propagandist.

Flooding newsgroups only shows you despair.

PL

April 12, 2007

Once the same crap is enopugh Candian Stalinist propagandist.

Flooding newsgroups only shows you despair.

PL

April 12, 2007

Once the same crap is enopugh Candian Stalinist propagandist.

Flooding newsgroups only shows you despair.

PL

April 13, 2007

Discussion continued in the thread, "Question for PL on his beloved

embargo."

Mr. Lobbyist has nowhere to hide now!

Dan

Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at

http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html

April 13, 2007

"Dan Christensen" <dchris@netcom.ca> wrote in message

news:1176433771.092837.127660@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> Discussion continued in the thread, "Question for PL on his beloved

> embargo."

>

> Mr. Lobbyist has nowhere to hide now!

actually: Dan Christensen is crawling back to SCC only to hide his shame.

Get real comrade Dan.

By again FAILING to post even ONE direct quote on any of your claims you

have exposed yourself again as a serial liar.

Not than people in SCC needed another proof of that.

In this thread I have shown that:

- you lied about Amnesty International

- you lied about me

- you lied about the level to which Cuba is dependent on food imports for

the basic foodstuffs (84%)

I have also shown that you even contradict Cuban ministers and other top

officials (like the head of Alimport) in your desperate propaganda.

In short: you are exposed as the self declared "cyber activist" (unlike you

I can quote your own words) that lies for his cause.

Your abuses against usenet etiquette and your lies won't change anything Dan

Christensen. You are a propagandist cyber liar that snips and lies.

The facts:

On the 84%:

Cuba imports 84% of its food on the ration card

Vice Minister of Economy and Planning Magalys Calvo reported that Cuba must

import 84% of its food that is distributed by ration cards in a speech at

the Provincial Assembly of Popular Power (local parliament) in Camag

April 13, 2007

On Apr 10, 4:28 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176220399.408892.217990@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> >On Apr 9, 2:07 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1176100126.091674.220910@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> >On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> >> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >> >> (snip)

> >> >> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> >>> >> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> >> >> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> >> >> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> >> >> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 13, 2007

On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> (snip)

> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 16, 2007

"Barry Schier" <bschier@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1176503358.065104.126220@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 10, 4:28 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1176220399.408892.217990@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> >On Apr 9, 2:07 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> > "Barry Schier" <bsch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1176100126.091674.220910@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> >On Apr 8, 5:18 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:

> >> >> "ljsprojects" <T.Schmidt.Te...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >> > >news:1175973822.081377.219080@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >> >> (snip)

> >> >> Sigue haciendote ridiculo viejo racista

>

> >>> >> > P.S. [2] No dejen de leer a los anticastristas, ellos sirven para

> >> >> > confirmar lo que dice Barry y Dan

>

> >> >> Muestran que Barry Schier y dan Christensen son mentirosos (como tu)

>

> >> >> > Como he dicho varias veces, no le crean a nadie (ni a m

April 26, 2007

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

April 26, 2007

Information on human rights in Cuba: http://www.cubaverdad.net

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