Horse Fucking...You've got to be kidding right?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Phreak,

 

This may make for a funny yarn, but it is fiction. It is impossible for a bullet to build up any momentum without a barrel to propel through. The casing may have exploded, but the projectile would do NOTHING.

 

This is basic physics, maybe tizz could enlighten us on how wrong I am.

 

I don't think the story is true, however, I'm not sure where you got this crazy idea about bullets, but not so.

 

What causes a bullet to disengage from the casing and be propelled is the sudden buildup of pressure withing the casing itself. The barrel of a gun, simply acts as a chamber to provide rotational stability to the expelled round. The initial force of this method of propellent, is highest at the moment of burn and would decrease from that moment forward. The velocity of the bullet at the end of the barrel would be LESS than it was at the moment of expellment from the casing.

 

Velocities would be represented as:

 

0 - initial velocity

 

X - velocity after controlled explosion/discharge from casing

 

(X-y) - velocity minus coeffecient of friction of barrel/rifeling and then gravity/wind resistance (y would increase over time)

 

0 - velocity at end

 

The bullet would very much leave the casing, especially with that casing being held in place by the fuse clamps and probably being braced from behind by the fuse box wall.

 

Most certainly, the bullet would discharge and would be quite able to penetrate the firewall and strike the man's balls. In fact, the chaotic tumble of the projectile would probably account for the significant trauma he sustained.

 

Given your statement, you would believe that one could take a bullet, and hold it in your hand while activating the primer from behind, and the bullet would do nothing. DON'T TRY IT.

 

Then again, next time you light your fireplace, toss a few extra rounds onto the burning log. Given your physics beliefs, the powder will discharge and the bullets will do nothing. RIGHT. Don't hold your breath.

[angie]

Regarding the bullet-I don't know one way or another if it is in fact possible.

However, regarding the story itself-not true.(according to Snopes.com, which is usually pretty reliable regarding urban legends on the net)

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/fuse.asp

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I don't think the story is true, however, I'm not sure where you got this crazy idea about bullets, but not so.

I am an expert on ballistics.

 

What causes a bullet to disengage from the casing and be propelled is the sudden buildup of pressure withing the casing itself.

True, but only the initial pressure!

 

The barrel of a gun, simply acts as a chamber to provide rotational stability to the expelled round.

FALSE. The barrel stabalizes and forces all of the energy that would normally be blown into all directions into one vector (out of the muzzle... think of it like this: when the gunpowder starts to burn and the pressure expands within the casing, where does the pressure build? It builds forward and backward and side s and top and bottom. Without a barrel, the pressure equalizes (like a firecracker). The barrell keeps the pressure from equalizing on the sides and back and all of the pressure is expelled through the nuzzle.

 

0 - initial velocity

 

X - velocity after controlled explosion/discharge from casing

 

(X-y) - velocity minus coeffecient of friction of barrel/rifeling and then gravity/wind resistance (y would increase over time)

 

0 - velocity at end

CES, that was just gibberish.

 

 

The bullet would very much leave the casing, especially with that casing being held in place by the fuse clamps and probably being braced from behind by the fuse box wall.

Yes, it would probably leave i\the casing , but at a much diminished velocity and (more importantly momentum)

 

Most certainly, the bullet would discharge and would be quite able to penetrate the firewall and strike the man's balls. In fact, the chaotic tumble of the projectile would probably account for the significant trauma he sustained.

That is pure fantasy and untrue... I'll do a google search for you.

 

Given your statement, you would believe that one could take a bullet, and hold it in your hand while activating the primer from behind, and the bullet would do nothing. DON'T TRY IT.

Actually, The bullets would "explode" but the projectiles would do little.

 

Then again, next time you light your fireplace, toss a few extra rounds onto the burning log. Given your physics beliefs, the powder will discharge and the bullets will do nothing. RIGHT. Don't hold your breath.

It's not simply my belief, it is a fact.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Here you go CES, this is from Wikepedia

 

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Bore diameter and energy transfer

A firearm, in many ways, is like a piston engine on the power stroke. There is a certain amount of high-pressure gas available, and energy is extracted from it, by making the gas move a piston

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

CES, I got this off of a firefighters website

http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/index.php?option=com_cvohowdoi&Itemid=0&catid=23

 

Firefighters experience the surprise of exploding ammunition in a fire situation with some regularity. When bullets and shells are exposed to fire, as long as they are not chambered in a weapon, they are generally not lethal. They do explode and you certainly would not want to be in the immediate vicinity. Most often, however,they will simply explode and not project the pellets or slugs with much force. The safety gear worn by firefighters has been fairly effective in protecting them from injury in this case.Loaded weapons exposed to high heat, however, will "shoot" and semi-automatic weapons will keep shooting, especially if gas-operated as most repeating shotguns and some rifles are. This is a severe hazard for emergency personnel (or anyone in the vicinity). There is a documented instance (which occurred elsewhere, by the way) in which a loaded rifle, mounted on a wall rack, kept discharging during a fire, hitting the command vehicle, causing fire personnel to believe that they were being shot at. They withdrew to a safe location and, consequently, the house was destroyed. Fortunately, no one was hurt in that instance. So, this is another good reason for not keeping loaded weapons in the home.Safe storage of shells and bullets would be best in a fire resistive gun cabinet. Lacking that, there are metal ammunition boxes; however, they create a risk of a larger, more powerful explosion if the components were to detonate due to the confined energy created by the box itself. A personal safe with a fire rating would be the next best, giving security against unwarranted access as well as fire protection.

[snafu]

The bullet would expel from the cartridge from the force of the explosion. Without a gun barrel it wouldn

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

CES, the more I think about your unfounded retorts the more I am reminded of the old addage:

 

"Those of you who think you know everything are really annoying to those of us who actually do."

[Lethalfind]

I had been under the impression that if you threw bullets into a camp fire that projectiles would come out of the fire.

Don't ask how I know this, we have a strange way of entertaining ourselves in Texas...

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I had been under the impression that if you threw bullets into a camp fire that projectiles would come out of the fire.

Don't ask how I know this, we have a strange way of entertaining ourselves in Texas...

Lethal, the casings will explode (depending on the round... a .22 would be about like a small firecracker), but the projectiles will just stay where they were.

[snafu]

I knew there had to be a song for this horse shit!

 

http://www.alicecoopershow.co.uk/lyrics/muscle/muscle_of_love.htm

You guys can sing along with me.

 

 

Muscle of Love

 

 

Aw, who's the queen of the locker room

Who's the cream of the crop

Well Joey took her to the matinee

Said, "God, she wouldn't stop!"

 

Holy muscle of love

My heart's a muscle

 

Well, I must have come to that crazy age

Where ev'rything is hot

'Cause I don't know if the things I'm thinking

Are normal thoughts or not

 

Holy muscle of love

Well, I got a muscle of love

Yeah

Ooh

 

I read Dad's books like I did before

Now things are crystal clear

Lock the door in the bathroom now

I just can't get caught in here

 

Holy muscle of love

Well, I got a muscle of love

Holy muscle of love

I got a muscle of love

Holy muscle of love

My heart's a muscle of love

Holy muscle of love

Well, I got a muscle of love

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Must be a gift from above

Yeah, yeah, yeah

 

(Hallelujah, etc.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES, the more I think about your unfounded retorts the more I am reminded of the old addage:

 

"Those of you who think you know everything are really annoying to those of us who actually do."

 

I'm so overjoyed that I finally found somone who knows everything. Thank you.

 

As to this little adventure of bullet physics, Okay, fair enough. However, I never claimed like you, to be a "ballistics expert". I operated off of common sense on this one.

 

The only type of ballistics expert that I am is the one consistently capable of putting one between your eyes at 600 yards with an accuracy of 0.3 MOA without you even knowing I was there, and those days are over and gratefully so. Enough said.

 

Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to be around any caliber bullets in a fire. You may help yourself to that adventure!

[Hamza123]

If I don't vomit I am gonna have to find a way how.

[Lethalfind]

If I don't vomit I am gonna have to find a way how.

 

LOL @ Hamza, WYPO can have that effect on those that are not used to its ebb and flow.

Suck it up, it gets better.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I'm so overjoyed that I finally found somone who knows everything. Thank you.

 

As to this little adventure of bullet physics, Okay, fair enough. However, I never claimed like you, to be a "ballistics expert". I operated off of common sense on this one.

 

The only type of ballistics expert that I am is the one consistently capable of putting one between your eyes at 600 yards with an accuracy of 0.3 MOA without you even knowing I was there, and those days are over and gratefully so. Enough said.

 

Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to be around any caliber bullets in a fire. You may help yourself to that adventure!

Thanks, CES.

[phreakwars]

Could it not be possible that a shrapnel shard from the bullet itself could cause such an injury ?? Who says it had to be the LEAD tip itself that did the damage... Or excuse me "WOULD DO THE DAMAGE" if the said story is infact a net fable.

 

 

Fables aside, why would it not be possible ??

 

MRIH said it himself that it would be like a firecracker... I would think such a burst momentum in a brass casing or whatever the material is, would be powerful enough to cause signifigant damage, even death.

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[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Could it not be possible that a shrapnel shard from the bullet itself could cause such an injury ?? Who says it had to be the LEAD tip itself that did the damage... Or excuse me "WOULD DO THE DAMAGE" if the said story is infact a net fable.

 

 

Fables aside, why would it not be possible ??

 

MRIH said it himself that it would be like a firecracker... I would think such a burst momentum in a brass casing or whatever the material is, would be powerful enough to cause signifigant damage, even death.

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The brass casing might tear open but not shrapnalize. If a piece of brass shrapnel did actually dislodge from the casing I doubt it would have enough momentum to pierce the trucks firewall. But in theory, maybe. I don't know.

[builder]

It depends on the calibre, mostly. I've seen 22 cal bullets exit a fire slow enough to watch. It's just simple physics. The expansion chamber of the rifles snugly cradles the round, and the projectile has only one path of escape.

 

Take away the expansion chamber, and the side of the bullet casing usually blows out before the crimped slug will let go of the casing.

[phreakwars]

It depends on the calibre, mostly. I've seen 22 cal bullets exit a fire slow enough to watch. It's just simple physics. The expansion chamber of the rifles snugly cradles the round, and the projectile has only one path of escape.

 

Take away the expansion chamber, and the side of the bullet casing usually blows out before the crimped slug will let go of the casing.

And it is the bullet casing itself, not the slug that I am refering to that would/could do damage. Even on a tiny .22 shell, the smallest fragment of brass that has broken away would be like a grenade shrapnel. I would agree that the lead would not burst out, but I would think the shrapnel would occur at the bullets weakest point, the energy released from the heat on the powder needs to go somewhere.

 

I know it's not a good comparison, but look at a 12 guage shell, which is basically plastic with bb's inside, if it was to be ignited, the b.b.'s would blast everywhere in every direction.

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[snafu]

I was shot in the leg playing with .22 rounds. Well it was a piece of something I think it was part of the casing. We were throwing rocks at them.

What?

I was young.

 

Ripped my pants and made a very small flesh wound in my thigh. Took a band aid to fix.

[builder]

And it is the bullet casing itself, not the slug that I am refering to that would/could do damage. Even on a tiny .22 shell, the smallest fragment of brass that has broken away would be like a grenade shrapnel. I would agree that the lead would not burst out, but I would think the shrapnel would occur at the bullets weakest point, the energy released from the heat on the powder needs to go somewhere..

 

OK, I need to vent some here. Gunpowder is a predictable substance, as is cordite, which is a more reliable "wet area" answer to firing rounds.

 

The energy released by such a substance needs an outlet. The casing is the weakest link. Brass casings merely split. Experiment with it. I blew up heaps of shit in my experi-mental years. Torch batteries are the most dangerous projectile you could burn. It takes time, but when they ignite, there is no stopping them.

 

I know it's not a good comparison, but look at a 12 guage shell, which is basically plastic with bb's inside, if it was to be ignited, the b.b.'s would blast everywhere in every direction.

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Actually, they don't. An asthma puffer is more dangerous than a plastic shotgun round when incinerated.

[Hamza123]

LOL @ Hamza, WYPO can have that effect on those that are not used to its ebb and flow.

Suck it up, it gets better.

 

Lol, I guess so. :o

[Lethalfind]

That one made me a little sick until I could push it out of my mind...

I know better then to click on links but I do anyway...

[Hamza123]

Yeah, because you don't really know what everyone is ranting until you find out for yourself then you kind of wish you didn't.

[Lethalfind]

Yeah, because you don't really know what everyone is ranting until you find out for yourself then you kind of wish you didn't.

 

I had an idea what it was, I can't deny that. But to think you know what is and actually see it unfolding is something completely different.

[italiano_Pride]

Wow, well isn't that just fucking special. I've heard of some really disguisting things in my life time but nothing as bad as this.