marijuana

[hugo]

I am sure you would also be safer in solitary confinement and fed three times a day.

[lilmizztemper]

I am sure you would also be safer in solitary confinement and fed three times a day.

 

WOW!!! is that all you could come up with???

[hugo]

There is almost always a giving up of liberty in order to increase security. Something big government lovers don't understand until put in dramatic terms.

[lilmizztemper]

What the fuck is so wrong with keeping oneself safe? would it KILL you to get a designated SOBER driver when ya wish to tie one on?? BTW the USA is NOT the only country in the world with Drunk Driving laws...most countries dont tolerate drunks...and for good reasons!

[hugo]

Yep, the socialists of Europe and the fascists in the Middle East are even more willing to give up liberty for security. Unlike you, I ain't a lemming.

 

Do you get a designated driver everytime you reach for your cell phone?

[lilmizztemper]

Yep, the socialists of Europe and the fascists in the Middle East are even more willing to give up liberty for security. Unlike you, I ain't a lemming.

 

Do you get a designated driver everytime you reach for your cell phone?

 

I dont use my cell phone when Im driving...I call people back when I am not driving!

[Jhony5]

Member of DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers)

 

Ok, thats funny.

 

Drunk driving laws should be strict. But the BAC has been jacked up so high, that you can't even have one beer and drive unless you weigh over 145 pounds. The 'open container' law is total bullshit to me. Even if you have empty beer cans in the bed of your pickup truck, you are in violation of the law. I had a cop tell me this once when I got pulled over once for having long hair and driving a crapy truck. Apparently a violation in Indianapolis. He saw a sun bleached Budweiser can in the bed of my truck, that had been there for months, and threatened to give me a summons for it. WTF sense does that make? Laws are supposed to be in place to help people, not hurt them.

[snafu]

Don’t mind us stoners.

We’re just sitting back watching this shit.

Far out!

Please continue...

[lilmizztemper]

Ok, thats funny.

 

Drunk driving laws should be strict. But the BAC has been jacked up so high, that you can't even have one beer and drive unless you weigh over 145 pounds. The 'open container' law is total bullshit to me. even if you have empty beer cans in the bed of your pickup truck, you are in violation of the law. I had a cop tell me this once when I got pulled over for driving a crappy truck with long hair. Apparently a violation in Indianapolis. He saw a sun bleached Budweiser can in the bed of my truck, that had been there for months, and threatened to give me a summons for it. WTF sense does that make? Laws are supposed to be in place to help people, not hurt them.

 

Yeah I agree...a beer can in the back of a pickup bed is NOT a reason for a summons...can't prove who put it there...hell round here, any pickup bed is a good place to toss trash to most people, even if the truck aint theirs.

[Jhony5]

Yeah I agree...a beer can in the back of a pickup bed is NOT a reason for a summons...can't prove who put it there...hell round here, any pickup bed is a good place to toss trash to most people, even if the truck ain't theirs.

 

 

Its not trash. Its an open container. Its in your vehicle and your in full control of any and all items contained within it. Its not fair. Its total bullshit.

 

The purpose of the law?

 

Too many people were getting away with drunk driving because the responding officer did not witness the suspect actually driving the vehicle, only sitting behind the wheel while the car was parked and the ignition was off. Now you get public intoxication and open container for such an offense. So many laws are in place as a means of generating revenue through fines. But theres always a reason for it ain't there? When more municipalities start to realize the revenue that would be made available if driving while using a cell phone was a fine-able offense, then this will become law. I've even heard many lawmakers suggest making it illegal to eat while you drive. $$$ for the local GOV.

[lilmizztemper]

Its not trash. Its an open container. Its in your vehicle and your in full control of any and all items contained within it. Its not fair. Its total bullshit.

 

The purpose of the law?

 

Too many people were getting away with drunk driving because the responding officer did not witness the suspect actually driving the vehicle, only sitting behind the wheel while the car was parked and the ignition was off. Now you get public intoxication and open container for such an offense. So many laws are in place as a means of generating revenue through fines. But theres always a reason for it ain't there? When more municipalities start to realize the revenue that would be made available if driving while using a cell phone was a fine-able offense, then this will become law. I've even heard many lawmakers suggest making it illegal to eat while you drive. $$$ for the local GOV.

 

MIP (minor in possession) laws are ridiculous as well...when I was 19 I got woke up from a friend wanting me to give a guy a ride home because he was "wasted" I showed up to pick him up and the cop was right behind me...I got an MIP because I WAS THERE...I was obviously NOT drinking, and the officer knew it, but in lieu of being a good samaratain and giving a drunk a safe ride home...they put it in my head that I outta just let the drunks drive so I dont get in trouble for it!

[hugo]

It's always OK to legislate against Joe Smoker and Joe Six-Pack. Open container laws prevent moderate consumption of alcohol on the way home after a hard day at work. What is Joe Six-Packs option? A bar. Where more than moderate consumption is more likely.

 

The stupid designated driver option is also a fucking joke. I guess it works for them twenty somethings in the commercials getting ready to go clubbing. It don't work for Joe Six-Pack.

[lilmizztemper]

It's always OK to legislate against Joe Smoker and Joe Six-Pack. Open container laws prevent moderate consumption of alcohol on the way home after a hard day at work. What is Joe Six-Packs option? A bar. Where more than moderate consumption is more likely.

 

The stupid designated driver option is also a fucking joke. I guess it works for them twenty somethings in the commercials getting ready to go clubbing. It don't work for Joe Six-Pack.

 

Well if Joe Six-Pack didnt drive like an idiot...then he wouldnt get stopped in the first place. then there would be no problem.

[hugo]

Well if Joe Six-Pack didnt drive like an idiot...then he wouldnt get stopped in the first place. then there would be no problem.

 

Actually, some states have check points. Some officers have little flashlights with a sensor that registers alcohol vapors in the car. Some individuals may just have a tail light out.

 

One victim of state tyranny

 

New Jersey: Police Stops Must be Reasonable

A New Jersey Superior Court of appeals decision says traffic stops must be objectively reasonable.

 

The Appellate Division of the New Jersey Superior Court yesterday overturned a lower court ruling that would have allowed a police officer to stop motorists based upon a faulty interpretation of the law. Instead, the three-judge appeals panel concluded that, "We cannot countenance an officer's interference with personal liberty based upon an entirely erroneous understanding of the law."

 

The case began last May when Christopher Puzio was driving an Acura sports coupe with commercial license plates in Caldwell, New Jersey. A police officer noticed the plates and incorrectly assumed that state law required all commercial vehicles to have signs on the side displaying the company's name. Since Puzio had none, he pulled the car over. The officer next judged that Puzio was guilty of driving while intoxicated, even though Puzio's driving had shown no signs of impairment.

 

A lower court found Puzio guilty and sentenced him to a seven-month driving suspension, 12-48 hours in an DUI detention center (with $350 in fees), $300-$500 fine, $275 in penalties, and $1,000 a year in surcharges for three years, meaning he owed the state a total of approximately $4000.

 

The appeals court overturned this punishment, saying that it wasn't enough that the arresting officer was acting in good faith when he pulled Puzio over. The initial stop was not objectively reasonable, and therefore it was not valid.

 

"Where an officer mistakenly believes that driving conduct constitutes a violation of the law, but in actuality it does not, no objectively reasonable basis exists upon which to justify a vehicle stop," the three judge panel wrote. "If officers were permitted to stop vehicles where it is objectively determined that there is no legal basis for their action, the potential for abuse of traffic infractions as pretext for effecting stops seems boundless."

[angie]

Its not trash. Its an open container. Its in your vehicle and your in full control of any and all items contained within it. Its not fair. Its total bullshit.

 

The purpose of the law?

 

Too many people were getting away with drunk driving because the responding officer did not witness the suspect actually driving the vehicle, only sitting behind the wheel while the car was parked and the ignition was off. Now you get public intoxication and open container for such an offense. So many laws are in place as a means of generating revenue through fines. But theres always a reason for it ain't there? When more municipalities start to realize the revenue that would be made available if driving while using a cell phone was a fine-able offense, then this will become law. I've even heard many lawmakers suggest making it illegal to eat while you drive. $$$ for the local GOV.

Luckily for me, there is NO open container law in CT. I always thought there was, but low and behold, there is not. However, I did hear a nasty rumor, that CT had passed a law against eating/drinking anything while driving. I have yet to find proof, however, if it is true, my ass is going to jail soon. I hardly ever get in the car without my big cup o' joe.

[angie]

Actually, some states have check points. Some officers have little flashlights with a sensor that registers alcohol vapors in the car. Some individuals may just have a tail light out.

 

One victim of state tyranny

CT/MA have been advertising the checkpoints lately. Commericals (TV and radio), signs, and even the orange blinky signs on the highway- Under the Influence, Under Arrest. Though I'm pretty sure they print out the checkpoints in the paper. I'll have to go map out my route Actually, I get to walk. My Saturday nite drinking buddies live 2 blocks away. Life is good

[lilmizztemper]

Actually, some states have check points. Some officers have little flashlights with a sensor that registers alcohol vapors in the car. Some individuals may just have a tail light out.

 

One victim of state tyranny

 

If you think theres a chance you might get pulled over while drinking....DONT DRINK and DRIVE makes perfect sense

[hugo]

If you think theres a chance you might get pulled over while drinking....DONT DRINK and DRIVE makes perfect sense

 

No it doesn't. If you avoided every action with a potential to cause you some problem you would be back in your solitary cell.

[lilmizztemper]

No it doesn't. If you avoided every action with a potential to cause you some problem you would be back in your solitary cell.

 

what doesnt make sense to you??? you arent confining yourself to a solitary cell...yer merely "not taking a risk" you can do whatever you wish but when you geet caught its YOU who will be in a cell of some sort.

[hugo]

what doesnt make sense to you??? you arent confining yourself to a solitary cell...yer merely "not taking a risk" you can do whatever you wish but when you geet caught its YOU who will be in a cell of some sort.

 

What's a matter with you? Wanting to jail people who are causing no harm to others should be a crime.

[lilmizztemper]

What's a matter with you? Wanting to jail people who are causing no harm to others should be a crime.

 

why wait until the damage is done?? wait until some drunk kills?? yeah thats a great idea...if one is legally drunk...then one should NOT be behind the wheel of a vehicle!!!! nuff said.......

[CuteSubmissiveGuy]

They might as well legalize marijuana, It's not keeping people from using it. I agree totally! There's no difference between liquor and pot.

[Jhony5]

They might as well legalize marijuana, It's not keeping people from using it. I agree totally! There's no difference between liquor and pot.

 

I disagree. There is a big difference. Alcohol has a blanket effect over the entire CNS (central nervous system). Causing all sorts of misfires in the brain. Loss of motor skills, slurred speech, lack of inhibitions, poor judgment, loss of temperance, and a host of other issues. Marijuana targets a more specific area of the brain, forcing an overwhelming release of dopamine.

 

A popular misconception about alcohol is that its great for unwinding at the end of a stressful day. When in fact it causes one to become less tempermental and more aggressive. One might think that they are relaxing, when in fact adrenaline is coursing through their veins at an accelerated rate.

 

Alcohol kills, marijuana does not.

[lilmizztemper]

I disagree. There is a big difference. Alcohol has a blanket effect over the entire CNS (central nervous system). Causing all sorts of misfires in the brain. Loss of motor skills, slurred speech, lack of inhibitions, poor judgment, loss of temperance, and a host of other issues. Marijuana targets a more specific area of the brain, forcing an overwhelming release of dopamine.

 

A popular misconception about alcohol is that its great for unwinding at the end of a stressful day. When in fact it causes one to become less tempermental and more aggressive. One might think that they are relaxing, when in fact adrenaline is coursing through their veins at an accelerated rate.

 

Alcohol kills, marijuana does not.

 

it can help one unwind if they drink enough to pass the fuck out:D

[hugo]

why wait until the damage is done?? wait until some drunk kills?? yeah thats a great idea...if one is legally drunk...then one should NOT be behind the wheel of a vehicle!!!! nuff said.......

 

Please BAC is a terrible predictor of whether someone can drive safely or not. Pull over those driving recklessly to reduce traffic fatalaties.