marijuana

[ImWithStupid]

FAST FACT: At least 90 percent of GF will hate me for bashing weed.

 

Are you sure it'll only be 90%?

[Outlaw2747]

Could care less really. I don't have to follow anyone else and like the drug. I'm just being real and saying it will probably take a miracle for it to be legalized. Based on the intel here, there is a reason why the gov't doesn't want it legal. Don't really know and don't really care that much, I'm just reading up on it out of sheer curiosity. I never tried it and never will.

 

In fact I barely bashed the weed at all here. When I came back here a long time ago I did, but I didn't have any reasoning to back it up. But if someone wants to lose all respect for me over a damn plant then so be it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. As much as I do not like kids, it is bad enough they have access to alcohol, do we really need ANOTHER drug wandering around and create more knuckledraggers? Maybe it does not possess an acute health problem but long term it could very well. People in really bad areas in the USA DIE for this shit. They waste money, I mean lots of it, on this simple drug. Even if it became legal, crime lords who produce it will only make more money. Since its availability will become easier, the price will rise. More people will pay for it and be willing to spend anything to get it. And take a wild guess where this money ends up...

 

No, it doesn't go to some guy who will go back home and kick back and relax. it won't go to some fund raiser to help cure a disease. It won't go to improving an already disintergrated society. It goes to SHIT. Terrorism, guns, war, whatever you can think of. Could it be that our gov't fears this? The possibility is not far from reality should this happen. There is obviously a reason why to this day it is still illegal. It may not be deadly like coke, snow, acid, or X but its intentions and value are still on par and probably surpass these other drugs. Its lack of deadliness is one main attraction. But look at what it could result in (but I do condone its medical usage).

 

In any case, hate me, call me a pussy, give me the whole "Don't knock it until you try it dude!!!", or the "The best rappers were potheads!" routine (which COULD be true). I could care less. That is just my view and my opinion and I am one of FEW people in this world who can exist without the substance.

[ImWithStupid]

Outlaw,

 

It was just a joke, man. I didn't mean to hit your hot button and send you into a rant.

 

Anyway I wouldn't judge you for not wanting to smoke pot any more than I would judge someone else for smoking it. I think most people who smoke pot are this way. I don't remember ever seeing someone who smokes really pressuring someone into it. They might ask if they want some out of courtesy but smokers seem to respect their wishes if they decline.

 

It's a personal choice.

[Outlaw2747]

Oh no I totally understand bro. I knew it was a joke. But even so I thought I'd get that point across that's all. When I first addressef the issue a long time ago I just went off on a hate spew instead of intelligently approaching the topic. Basically this is my "revised" rant from long ago. Some person did offer me some a while back and I gently said no thanks. Hell... my ex even asked if I wanted to try some. Once again I declined and her friend said "Quit being such a wimp." I nearly went off but I stopped myself in time. Didn't want to jeopardize anything over a damn plant.

[ImWithStupid]

If you have alot to loose then it's definitely not worth a little smoke. Gotta do what's right for you.

 

If that was your revised, toned down rant about pot, I bet you did go off last time.

 

That friend of your ex's needs to learn to respect the wishes of others. They pretty much tried calling you "chicken". What were they in 6th grade? Maybe next time they'll try double dog daring you. What a dumbass.

[Outlaw2747]

If you have alot to loose then it's definitely not worth a little smoke. Gotta do what's right for you.

 

If that was your revised, toned down rant about pot, I bet you did go off last time.

 

That friend of your ex's needs to learn to respect the wishes of others. They pretty much tried calling you "chicken". What were they in 6th grade? Maybe next time they'll try double dog daring you. What a dumbass.

 

My ex and her friends were all absent minded. Not because of the weed though. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did call me a chicken. But I don't have to deal with those people anymore so it is all good. People can do whatever they want as long as it does not involve me.

 

In Philly it is sad. Weed is God in the North area. In the projects and slums and whatnot. It is as if that is the only thing keeping them going. And they fight over the crap. It is truly a shame...

[angie]

Ok Outlaw, I understand your reasons for not liking it for recreational purposes.

But how do you feel about it as a medicinal drug? It really is no worse than your average NARCOTIC painkiller, which is much more addictive. What say you?

[snafu]

Maybe that

[Outlaw2747]

Ok Outlaw, I understand your reasons for not liking it for recreational purposes.

But how do you feel about it as a medicinal drug? It really is no worse than your average NARCOTIC painkiller, which is much more addictive. What say you?

 

As I said before, no problem if it is used to help alleviate any ailments. Even so, few people rarely use other medicine like Tylenol and the such for recreation purposes. I just don't want to be surrounded by potheads. And even though I don't like children very much, I certainly don't want to see them with the shit in their hands.

[snafu]

I guess it

[builder]

Maybe that

[eisanbt]

So much money is wasted in the name of "We don't talk about it". The masses are far too rash and emotional to understand reason. Not to mention the anti-progressive population of elderly folks (God bless em but do they ever stay in their rut, especially here in Nova Scotia; the SECOND most conservative province in Canada).

[angie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060103/ap_on_he_me/medical_marijuana;_ylt=AtFLgmxn149JedxbP41XChXVJRIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Rhode Island on Tuesday became the 11th state to legalize medical marijuana and the first since the

U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June that patients who use the drug can still be prosecuted under federal law.The House overrode a veto by Gov. Don Carcieri, 59-13, allowing people with illnesses such as cancer and

AIDS to grow up to 12 marijuana plants or buy 2.5 ounces of marijuana to relieve their symptoms. Those who do are required to register with the state and get an identification card.

Federal law prohibits any use of marijuana, but Maine, Vermont, Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington allow it to be grown and used for medicinal purposes.

The U.S. high court ruled June 6 that people who smoke marijuana because their doctors recommend it can still be prosecuted under federal drug laws, even if their states allow it.

Federal authorities, however, have conceded they are unlikely to prosecute many medicinal marijuana users.

"I'm sure everybody in this room knows at least one person who would have benefited from medical marijuana," Rep. Thomas Slater, who has cancer, told fellow lawmakers before the vote. Slater said he doesn't use marijuana now but it could become part of his treatment in the future

If the Feds DO go out an prosecute any of these people, they have WAY too much time on their hands. Leave em' the fuck alone. They need to get over it and legalize it medicinally. Just irritates the crap outta me.

[tiredofwhiners]

If the Feds DO go out an prosecute any of these people, they have WAY too much time on their hands. Leave em' the fuck alone. They need to get over it and legalize it medicinally. Just irritates the crap outta me.

Around here they need to leave the pot smokers alone. And spend there time taking target practice on the meth makers.

 

The pot smokers don't bother anybody, except the drive-thru people at midnight on there 4th trip threw McDonalds.

[hopeUslide]

We all started with pot. Then graduated to the hard stuff, then regained balance. I would support legalization of pot with the legalization of euthanasia. This would eliminate the need for rehab and wasted gov. funds.

[Lethalfind]

Years ago, I was in a car accident that resulted in 3 compression fractures in the thoracic region of my back. A couple years after that I got a bulging disc in my lumbar region.

Non steroidal anti-inflammatory medication is not addicting, causes no narcotic type side effects, however the long term use of them has torn up my stomach permanently. Taking them now is like swallowing ground glass. The best one I have found was taken off the market due to side effects for people with heart problems.

Narcotics are addicting, some requiring medical assistance when you stop taking them. It takes me about a week to become used to them, so that they are no longer as effective. I used to drink with them in the hopes it would make me drowsy enough to fall asleep through the back pain I was feeling. Of course because my stomach was torn up the drinking was not a good idea.

I found pot when I was at University. It didn't make me sick to my stomach. There was no concern for long term use causing addiction that would require medical assistance to withdraw from it.

I was able to sleep even though my back was killing me.

It was illegal but I don't think it should be.

Has it occurred to anyone that some of the people who want it to stay illegal might be the HUGE drug companies who would no doubt loose some business if people could self medicate with some weed they were growing in their backyard??

If you say NO, don't be so naive. The drug companies don't give a damn about you and your suffering. All the care about is the money you have to cough up to get their medication...full stop.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Years ago, I was in a car accident that resulted in 3 compression fractures in the thoracic region of my back. A couple years after that I got a bulging disc in my lumbar region.

Non steriodal anti-inflammatory medication is not addicting, causes no narcotic type side effects, however the long term use of them has torn up my stomach permanently. Taking them now is like swallowing ground glass. The best one I have found was taken off the market due to side effects for people with heart problems.

Narcotics are addicting, some requiring medical assistance when you stop taking them. It takes me about a week to become used to them, so that they are no longer as effective. I used to drink with them in the hopes it would make me drowsy enough to fall asleep through the back pain I was feeling. Of course because my stomach was torn up the drinking was not a good idea.

I found pot when I was at University. It didn't make me sick to my stomach. There was no concern for long term use causing addiction that would require medical assistance to withdraw from it.

I was able to sleep even though my back was killing me.

It was illegal but I don't think it should be.

Has it occurred to anyone that some of the people who want it to stay illegal might be the HUGE drug companies who would no doubt loose some business if people could self medicate with some weed they were growing in their backyard??

If you say NO, don't be so nieve. The drug companies don't give a damn about you and your suffering. All the care about is the money you have to cough up to get their medication...full stop.

 

 

HIT POINT.

 

You pretty much summed it up here....cant say anymore

[builder]

As an aside, if you can't smoke it, the effects are just as good, if not better, if you eat it.

 

For mine, if I am in pain, like toothache, or joint pain, (pun not intended), smoking tends to make me focus more on the pain, so I don't do it.

 

But then, many people tell me smoking a joint helps them sleep. It keeps me awake for half the night. So I may not be the best example.

 

For cooking instructions, melt a half pound of butter, and toss in the chopped herb, stirring all the while. Do not let the butter get so hot that it smokes.

 

Use the butter to make cookies or cake. I prefer to just chew the raw product, and spit out the pulp.

[scout]

Years ago I used it to sleep. Baked in brownies it would be a slower more engulfing warm relaxation than smoking it. No morning side effects. Was great.

[Lethalfind]

I have heard about putting it in baked goods, now that sounds like some pretty wonderful brownies or cookies or just about anything...

[snafu]

Brownies are good but I don't like the burned out feeling the next day. And like builder said you have to cook it down in butter or you get a real gritty brownie. Spaghetti is another good way to eat it. Especially if you can find some good shrooms. If you cook it down in the butter it is much much better. We used to to hash the same way. The hash oil was real good for cooking but you never see that shit anymore. Then again you can get pretty burned out the next day. It will definitely help you sleep though.

[builder]

A neighbour gave me some excellent chocolate fudge. I guess any baked product that requires oil or butter is up for the taste test.

 

Smoking it is only one way to go.

 

And snafu, what gives with the shortage of hash oil and hash in general? It was the ducks guts for years when I was still experimenting. Is it still out there?

[Lethalfind]

I have to say back in the day of my mis-spent youth, I smoked alot of pot, mixed it with medication and liqour and I didn't get a burned out feeling unless I mixed it with medication that gave me that feeling, like Ambien for instance.

[Jhony5]

Furthermore, it has medicinal properties. Relief from chemotherapy, relief for cataracts....yet it isn't legal why? Vicodin, Percoset, and Oxycontin are MUCH more addictive and threatening to your health than smoking a few joints. (Not to mention, oxycontin is a hell of a lot more expensive on the street).

I have never taken Oxy, but I have taken Vicodin for various ailments. It is highly addictive. Physically and mentally. Pot doesn't seem to have that effect.

 

Right there you grabbed the reason for the continued illegalization of marijuana. Its is a medicine, as well as an industrious material. Now understand that there are already multi-billion dollar companies which have their irons in that fire. Ever heard of the Partnership for a Drug Free America? Partnership? Well thats suggests that there are partners of course. Who are the partners in this relationship and what is the motivation of this partnership? Alchohol brewers and distillers of America, Pharmasuitical manufacturers of America, And ....oh my...tobbacco manufacturers. Why? The reason is obvious. All of these multi-billion dollar corperations stand to lose huge profit margins and customers base from the legalization of marijuana. They pool their resourses and lobby via politicians to fight the marijuana menace.

 

When marijuana was first abolished in the 1920's one of the major campaigners agaisnt the weed was the DuPont corperation. Whom had family in politics. DuPont stood to lose a great deal of their holdings in the fabric and textile industry due to their uninvolvment in the hemp industry. No fabric could compete with hemps versatility and growablility. One could produce/grow 4 times as much hemp in the time it takes to grow the same amount of cotton.

 

You guys are falling blindly into the arguement that the powers that be want you to fall into. Which is discussing the merits of the psychological, addictive, and pyhsical ramifacations of marijuana use. These are NOT the reasons for its bannishment. Its all about money and politics and as long as the ignorant masses remain ignorant to the real reason for maijuana abolishment, it will remain illegal.

 

 

EDIT I read through the whole thread after making this post and I see that Diego already touched on some of what I said. He was a little more in depth actualy.

[lilmizztemper]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again. IT WILL NOT GET LEGALIZED, GET OVER IT!!!

 

On the other hand, if I had to choose, I'd bring the marijuana in and the alcohol out since THAT is the most deadly drug of all.

 

And on another hand, alcohol keeps the population down to a degree. Decisions, decisions.

 

alcohol is the deadliest drug because it IS legal...ya can just go buy it anywhere that has a liquor licence. Legalize POT and see how quickly the deadly effects start showing up...alcohol is one of the reasons pot is illegal...they were obviously looking to avoid another prohibition. Alcohol is a problem yes it sure the hell is...but making pot legal would just make things worse. Yeah pot is a problem now cuz so many are using it illegally and the ones gettin caught are helpin with the over crowding of our jails. I think that anything that alters ones mind is a dangerous thing and should be avoided totally. But cant seem to drill that into the heads of the pot smokin population of the world.