Guest Happy Vegan Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 On Apr 18, 9:06 am, glw82664 <glw82...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > It's true. The stats are out there. All you need to do is look. > You're afraid to do it. Oh, and you still haven't provided any > evidence of these shootouts. People already carry guns and I'm > wondering where all these wild west shootouts are? You need to stop > watching clint eastwood movies. See, that's fantasy. We're dealing > with reality here. Why would I need anymore evidence have you not been watching the news we just lost 32 people. Mr. Oblivious the last thing I want is more people carrying guns to class rooms. and I don't watch Clint Eastwood movies he's before my time thank you very much. > Nope, but I do carry a gun. Well most paranoid nuts do so why am I not surprised to know that you do. > I'm not going to be a sitting duck. I'm > going to give myself a chance. So tell me how many shootouts have you encountered over the past year? LOL! Have you had to shoot your way out of predicaments lately? "Hey honey I'm taking junior to ball practice, don't worry I'm packing my gun in case I have to go to war between here and there." What a crack up. > A chance that these student were never > given. Thanks to manic hysteria just like you are spouting here. Yeah well if he weren't sold two guns in 10 minutes 32 people would still be alive. > I've actually had a loved one save themself and their family with a > gun. Their situation makes my case better than your feely good remove > guns from stores fantasy. Oh wow what were they doing defending the Meth lab? > I'll say it again. Thanks to the VA legislature these students never > had a chance. All it would have taken was one, just one armed student > and we wouldn't be having this conversation. RIIIGHT and then we can have bullets flying in two different directions. Anymore brilliant ideas? > > On a related note, google the story about the appalcian state shootout > of a few years ago. See how that one ended. Here since you're too lazy to do your own research I'll cut and paste for you. 1927 Bath School disaster 45 Bath Township, Michigan School board member, Andrew Kehoe, upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building, killed 45 people (including himself) and injured an additional 58 in a bombing at the Bath Consolidated School. This is still the largest school massacre in United States history. 1929 St. Valentine's Day massacre 7 Chicago, Illinois Members of Bugs Moran's gang are murdered by Al Capone's men. 1966 University of Texas Tower Shooting 15 Austin, Texas After killing his mother and wife the night before, Charles Whitman goes on a shooting rampage atop the University of Texas at Austin's observation tower, killing 15 people and injuring 30 before being killed by police. 1983 Wah Mee massacre 13 Seattle, Washington Fourteen people are shot and 13 killed at a gambling club in Seattle's International District. 1984 McDonald's massacre 22 San Diego, California Twenty- one killed, 19 injured in a shooting rampage at a McDonald's restaurant before the gunman is shot dead. 1986 Edmond Postal massacre 15 Edmond, Oklahoma Fired postman Patrick Sherrill shot twenty-one former fellow employees in the Post Office, killing fourteen of them before committing suicide. Between 1986 and 1997, more than 40 people were killed in more than 20 separate incidents involving the United States Postal Service. 1988 ESL massacre 7 Sunnyvale, California Former employee Richard Farley returns to Electromagnetic Systems Labs (ESL) with guns and explosives, killing seven people and injuring three others, including Laura Black, a woman he had been stalking for four years. 1989 Standard Gravure shooting 9 Louisville, Kentucky Employee Joseph Wesbecker went on a rampage and killed eight other employees and himself, while wounding twelve others. He was off work on disability leave due to mental illness at the time of the shootings. 1991 Luby's massacre 23 Killeen, Texas George Hennard Drove his pickup into a cafeteria and shooting then taking his own life. 1993 101 California Street shootings 9 San Francisco, California A gunman kills eight people and injures six with three handguns before turning a concealed fourth handgun on himself. 1993 Brown's Chicken massacre 7 Palatine, Illinois Seven people were slain at the Brown's Chicken and Pasta in Palatine. 1993 Long Island Rail Road massacre 6 Nassau County, New York Colin Ferguson, who is African-American, shoots 25 mostly white passengers on a commuter train, killing 6. 1998 Jonesboro massacre 5 Arkansas, United States Two middle school students attacked their school. 1999 Columbine High School massacre 15 Jefferson County, Colorado, United States Two students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, execute a planned shooting rampage, killing 12 fellow students and a teacher before committing suicide. 2000 The Wichita Massacre 5 Wichita, Kansas, United States Two brothers go on a week-long murder/assault/rape/robbery spree, which culminated with the execution-style shooting of four naked victims on a soccer field. A fifth victim survived thanks to a hair clip that prevented the bullet from entering her skull. 2005 Red Lake High School massacre 10 Red Lake, Minnesota, United States Jeff Weise kills 9 people and himself on the Red Lake Chippewa Indian reservation. 2006 Goleta Postal massacre 8 Goleta, California, United States Female former postal worker goes on a rampage, shooting dead seven before killing herself. 2006 Capitol Hill massacre 7 Seattle, Washington, United States Aaron Kyle Huff entered a house party in Seattle's Capitol Hill neighborhood and shot eight people, killing six of them. When confronted by police, Huff killed himself. 2006 Amish school shooting 5 Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, United States Charles Carl Roberts IV entered a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Nickel Mines, a village in Lancaster County, took ten children hostage, and eventually shot and killed five girls aged 7 to 13 before killing himself. 2007 Trolley Square Shooting 5 Salt Lake City, Utah, United States Sulejman Talović entered a shopping mall carrying a shotgun and a .38 caliber pistol as well as a backpack full of ammunition. Talović shot and killed five people as well as wounding four others before being fatally shot by police. 2007 Virginia Tech massacre 33 Blacksburg, Virginia, United States Current Event: Gunman opens fire in Virginia Tech university dormitory and classroom building, killing and wounding many, then commits suicide. As the number jumped from ~22 to ~31 and finally ~33 (including gunman's suicide), this shooting became the largest shooting incident of its type in US history. We need gun control......Bye. M Quote
Guest Happy Vegan Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 On Apr 18, 5:55 pm, Scotius <wolvz...@mnsi.net> wrote: > > > You imbecile. In one breath you say that only the military and > police should have firearms. The police murder people too, I can only hope that you get pulled over by one of those murderous cops. and the > military does it on a GRAND scale under the direction of someone like > Bush. You little shithead. Why don't you think before you post? > > "...red meat eating musclehead"? Ah... I get it... the "happy" > in "happy vegan" means gay. Gay as in gay male? I'm a female dickhead if you would bother to read in my profile you would no that, but then that would require reading above a 3rd grade level and for you that would be hard. You should think before you post. M Quote
Guest cyrakis@yahoo.com Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 On Apr 18, 11:08 pm, Happy Vegan <nofur4...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 18, 9:06 am, glw82664 <glw82...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > It's true. The stats are out there. All you need to do is look. > > You're afraid to do it. Oh, and you still haven't provided any > > evidence of these shootouts. People already carry guns and I'm > > wondering where all these wild west shootouts are? You need to stop > > watching clint eastwood movies. See, that's fantasy. We're dealing > > with reality here. > > Why would I need anymore evidence have you not been watching the news > we just lost 32 people. Mr. Oblivious the last thing I want is more > people carrying guns to class rooms. and I don't watch Clint Eastwood > movies he's before my time thank you very much. You want a total gun ban? Emigrate to the UK. You'll fit right in. Everybody wins. Well, everybody accept for your new neighbors in the UK. Quote
Guest udarrell Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Happy Vegan wrote: >On Apr 18, 9:06 am, glw82664 <glw82...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>It's true. The stats are out there. All you need to do is look. >>You're afraid to do it. Oh, and you still haven't provided any >>evidence of these shootouts. People already carry guns and I'm >>wondering where all these wild west shootouts are? You need to stop >>watching clint eastwood movies. See, that's fantasy. We're dealing >>with reality here. >> >> >Why would I need anymore evidence have you not been watching the news >we just lost 32 people. Mr. Oblivious the last thing I want is more >people carrying guns to class rooms. and I don't watch Clint Eastwood >movies he's before my time thank you very much. > > >>Nope, but I do carry a gun. >> >> > >Well most paranoid nuts do so why am I not surprised to know that you >do. > > >>I'm not going to be a sitting duck. I'm >>going to give myself a chance. >> >> > >So tell me how many shootouts have you encountered over the past >year? LOL! Have you had to shoot your way out of predicaments >lately? > >"Hey honey I'm taking junior to ball practice, don't worry I'm packing >my gun in case I have to go to war between here and there." What a >crack up. > > >> A chance that these student were never >>given. Thanks to manic hysteria just like you are spouting here. >> >> >Yeah well if he weren't sold two guns in 10 minutes 32 people would >still be alive. > > >>I've actually had a loved one save themself and their family with a >>gun. Their situation makes my case better than your feely good remove >>guns from stores fantasy. >> >> >Oh wow what were they doing defending the Meth lab? > > >>I'll say it again. Thanks to the VA legislature these students never >>had a chance. All it would have taken was one, just one armed student >>and we wouldn't be having this conversation. >> >> > <>2007 Virginia Tech massacre 33 Blacksburg, Virginia, United States > Current Event: Gunman opens fire in Virginia Tech university dormitory > and classroom building, killing and wounding many, then commits > suicide. As the number jumped from ~22 to ~31 and finally ~33 > (including gunman's suicide), this shooting became the largest > shooting incident of its type in US history. We need gun > control......Bye. M We are our brothers' keeper. Those that touched his life on campus should have been instructed ways to help him socialize with him, and to feel he is/was valued. Life & death, sickness & health "Reside within the Quality of our Relationships with each other & with other nations." Once again, after the first two murders there was "NO attempt" to "Implement an Immediate Student Security Protocol Procedure" that would have blocked the gunman from gaining control of the situation. There should have automatically have been a complete lockdown of every building along with blocking outgoing & incoming traffic. Out going traffic should have been stopped & held for investigation with license numbers recorded. The faults guessing game lead(s), resulting in the singular chasing down of the female victims' boyfriend is NO Excuse for NOT implementing immediate student security procedures! Those students would have been spared the tragedy that was allowed to happen due to mishandling a Student Security Event! There is NO excuse for the fact that proper Student Security Procedures were NOT followed! http://www.udarrell.com/virginia_tech_shootings.htm - udarrell -- WISDOM PRINCIPLE DIRECTED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS - THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES and WISDOM BASED PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT http://www.udarrell.com/ http://www.udarrell.com/my_pages2.htm http://www.udarrell.com/recognizing_real_enemies.html http://jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html Reality Is Not An Easy Thing To Accept! Quote
Guest glw82664 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 On Apr 19, 2:08 am, Happy Vegan <nofur4...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 18, 9:06 am, glw82664 <glw82...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > It's true. The stats are out there. All you need to do is look. > > You're afraid to do it. Oh, and you still haven't provided any > > evidence of these shootouts. People already carry guns and I'm > > wondering where all these wild west shootouts are? You need to stop > > watching clint eastwood movies. See, that's fantasy. We're dealing > > with reality here. > > Why would I need anymore evidence have you not been watching the news > we just lost 32 people. Mr. Oblivious the last thing I want is more > people carrying guns to class rooms. and I don't watch Clint Eastwood > movies he's before my time thank you very much. > If someone would hav ebeen carrying a gun in class (like the appalacian example I gave you - you looked that up didn't you?) the odds would have been much more favorable. This is a textbook example of why people need to de able to defend themselves. Restricitve gun laws do nothing but restrict the abiliyt ot law abiding people to protect themselves. Note that the VT killer was exactly your model upstanding citizen. > > Nope, but I do carry a gun. > > Well most paranoid nuts do so why am I not surprised to know that you > do. > > > I'm not going to be a sitting duck. I'm > > going to give myself a chance. > > So tell me how many shootouts have you encountered over the past > year? LOL! Have you had to shoot your way out of predicaments > lately? > None, but if I have to I'm ready. And the fact that I happen to be in a concealed carry state will give criminals reason to pause before they decide to commit a crime. The evidence is out there - states with carry laws have less crime. Take a look at DC. Total gun ban. Who has the highest violent crime rate in the US? I'm sure you'll place your hands over your ears and start yelling "na na na na I can't hear you". > "Hey honey I'm taking junior to ball practice, don't worry I'm packing > my gun in case I have to go to war between here and there." What a > crack up. > Maybe you ought to reframe your comment above to "hey mom and dad, I'm going to class at VA Tech today. Don't worry I'm packing my gun just in case there's a war". Yeah, a real crack up/ > > A chance that these student were never > > given. Thanks to manic hysteria just like you are spouting here. > > Yeah well if he weren't sold two guns in 10 minutes 32 people would > still be alive. > And therein lies the flaw in your logic. You seem to believe that had this person not been sold a gun from a legal owner that none of this would have happened. Have you been reading the coverage on the manifesto, tapes, pictures this fellow had? This man was not right. He was hell bent on committing this crime. An illegally purchased gun would have been alternative #1. He was going to commit this crime whether the gun was legal or not. No restricitve gun law would have stopped this. > > I've actually had a loved one save themself and their family with a > > gun. Their situation makes my case better than your feely good remove > > guns from stores fantasy. > > Oh wow what were they doing defending the Meth lab? > No, defending his wife and children. And it worked. Thanks for your concern. > > I'll say it again. Thanks to the VA legislature these students never > > had a chance. All it would have taken was one, just one armed student > > and we wouldn't be having this conversation. > > RIIIGHT and then we can have bullets flying in two different > directions. Anymore brilliant ideas? > Again, you can't point to any evidence to back this up. This is the idea that makes the most sense. Your idea of these wild west shootouts just doesn't hold up in the real world. Again, see the appalacian state example. > > > > On a related note, google the story about the appalcian state shootout > > of a few years ago. See how that one ended. > I see you didn't read the story, or you just wanted to avoid it. > Here since you're too lazy to do your own research I'll cut and paste > for you. > > 1927 Bath School disaster 45 Bath Township, > Michigan School board > member, Andrew Kehoe, upset by a property tax that had been levied to > fund the construction of the school building, killed 45 people > (including himself) and injured an additional 58 in a bombing at the > Bath Consolidated School. This is still the largest school massacre in > United States history. > > 1929 St. Valentine's Day massacre 7 Chicago, > Illinois Members of > Bugs Moran's gang are murdered by Al Capone's men. > > 1966 University of Texas Tower Shooting 15 Austin, > Texas After > killing his mother and wife the night before, Charles Whitman goes on > a shooting rampage atop the University of Texas at Austin's > observation tower, killing 15 people and injuring 30 before being > killed by police. > > 1983 Wah Mee massacre 13 Seattle, Washington > Fourteen people are > shot and 13 killed at a gambling club in Seattle's International > District. > > 1984 McDonald's massacre 22 San Diego, California Twenty- > one > killed, 19 injured in a shooting rampage at a McDonald's restaurant > before the gunman is shot dead. > > 1986 Edmond Postal massacre 15 Edmond, Oklahoma Fired > postman > Patrick Sherrill shot twenty-one former fellow employees in the Post > Office, killing fourteen of them before committing suicide. Between > 1986 and 1997, more than 40 people were killed in more than 20 > separate incidents involving the United States Postal Service. > > 1988 ESL massacre 7 Sunnyvale, California Former > employee Richard > Farley returns to Electromagnetic Systems Labs (ESL) with guns and > explosives, killing seven people and injuring three others, including > Laura Black, a woman he had been stalking for four years. > > 1989 Standard Gravure shooting 9 Louisville, > Kentucky Employee > Joseph Wesbecker went on a rampage and killed eight other employees > and himself, while wounding twelve others. He was off work on > disability leave due to mental illness at the time of the shootings. > > 1991 Luby's massacre 23 Killeen, Texas George Hennard > Drove his > pickup into a cafeteria and shooting then taking his own life. > > 1993 101 California Street shootings 9 San Francisco, > California A > gunman kills eight people and injures six with three handguns before > turning a concealed fourth handgun on himself. > > 1993 Brown's Chicken massacre 7 Palatine, > Illinois Seven people > were slain at the Brown's Chicken and Pasta in Palatine. > > 1993 Long Island Rail Road massacre 6 Nassau County, New > York > Colin Ferguson, who is African-American, shoots 25 mostly white > passengers on a commuter train, killing 6. > > 1998 Jonesboro massacre 5 Arkansas, United > States Two middle > school students attacked their school. > > 1999 Columbine High School massacre 15 Jefferson County, > Colorado, > United States Two students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, execute a > planned shooting rampage, killing 12 fellow students and a teacher > before committing suicide. > > 2000 The Wichita Massacre 5 Wichita, Kansas, United > States Two > brothers go on a week-long murder/assault/rape/robbery spree, which > culminated with the execution-style shooting of four naked victims on > a soccer field. A fifth victim survived thanks to a hair clip that > prevented the bullet from entering her skull. > > 2005 Red Lake High School massacre 10 Red Lake, Minnesota, > United > States Jeff Weise kills 9 people and himself on the Red Lake Chippewa > Indian reservation. > > 2006 Goleta Postal massacre 8 Goleta, California, United > States > Female former postal worker goes on a rampage, shooting dead seven > before killing herself. > > 2006 Capitol Hill massacre 7 Seattle, Washington, United > States > Aaron Kyle Huff entered a house party in Seattle's Capitol Hill > neighborhood and shot eight people, killing six of them. When > confronted by police, Huff killed himself. > > 2006 Amish school shooting 5 Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, > United > States Charles Carl Roberts IV entered a one-room Amish schoolhouse > in Nickel Mines, a village in Lancaster County, took ten children > hostage, and eventually shot and killed five girls aged 7 to 13 before > killing himself. > > 2007 Trolley Square Shooting 5 Salt Lake City, Utah, > United States > Sulejman Talović entered a shopping mall carrying a shotgun and a .38 > caliber pistol as well as a backpack full of ammunition. Talović shot > and killed five people as well as wounding four others before being > fatally shot by police. > > 2007 Virginia Tech massacre 33 Blacksburg, Virginia, United > States > Current Event: Gunman opens fire in Virginia Tech university dormitory > and classroom building, killing and wounding many, then commits > suicide. As the number jumped from ~22 to ~31 and finally ~33 > (including gunman's suicide), this shooting became the largest > shooting incident of its type in US history. > > We need gun control......Bye. M I like the valentines day example. We all know the likes of Al Capone went out and got all his guns leagally? God, your arguments fall flat on their collective faces so easilly. Anyway, here are a few more for you: Kansas’ concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed- carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. “I would have been shot in the chest,” he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added, “Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today than it was just 20 days ago.” (The Topeka Capital-Journal, Topeka, KS, 01/23/07) Raymond Hill’s 12-year-old daughter woke him up with startling news: two people were trying to break into their home. Police say Hill loaded a .40-caliber handgun and went downstairs, where he saw one of the suspects removing a screen from the rear window. The suspect continued trying to break in, and Hill shot and killed him. Police nabbed the second suspect as he attempted to flee on a bicycle. (Las Vegas Review-Journal, Las Vegas, NV, 01/24/07) Isaac Wilson pulled over to take a cell phone call when a career criminal approached. The man pointed from inside his clothes with what Wilson thought was a gun. He then told Wilson to get out of the car. They traded places, and then Wilson ordered the carjacker to get out. Police say the carjacker rushed toward Wilson acting as though he had a weapon. “That’s why I pulled my gun,” says Wilson.. He shot his assailant once. The suspect was listed in fair condition at the hospital. (WTHR13 News, Indianapolis, IN, 01/26/07) When two armed men approached a residence and flashed a handgun, the fearful person inside let them in. The resident’s compliance only emboldened the intruders. Police say a shot rang out, and a relative in an upstairs apartment hurried down with a rifle. He shot both suspects, killing one and causing the other to flee. The wounded suspect was apprehended at the hospital. Authorities in Schenectady, N.Y., say it was the fourth case in two months in which a would-be victim shot an intruder. (Albany Times Union, Albany, NY, 01/20/07) Police say a man and a woman were getting into their car outside a Wal- Mart when an attacker shoved a pistol into the man’s stomach and demanded the keys. The woman pulled a pistol from the glove box and fired five shots at the carjacker, who dropped his pistol and ran away. He was arrested at a hospital where he sought treatment for a gunshot wound. “We’re kind of hailing (the man and woman) as heroes,” said Richland County, S.C., Sheriff Leon Lott. The suspect stands accused of committing nine additional armed robberies in less than a month. (The State, Columbia, SC, 01/17/07) The safety of his mother and nephew was all 22-year-old Phillip Mendoza could think about after six armed men invaded their home. Mendoza snuck into a bedroom and grabbed a shotgun. “I knew they had my mom with a gun and my little nephew,” he recalls. Police say one of the intruders kicked open the bedroom door and Mendoza fired a load of buckshot, critically injuring the suspect. Then another intruder appeared in the doorway and Mendoza fired again, killing one of the men. The other intruders and the wounded suspect fled. Two were apprehended. (The Tucson Citizen, Tucson, AZ, 01/04/07) Sonya Dople and her boyfriend, Charles Green, were getting ready for dinner when two masked men burst inside with a BB gun. Police say the men held the gun to Dople’s head and forced her to the ground. That’s when Green came around the corner, pointing his gun at the intruders and demanding their departure. When they refused, he shot one of the suspects and they fled the home. “If we hadn’t had the gun and [Green] hadn’t done that … we could’ve been dead today,” said Dople. (WATE6 News, Knoxville, TN, 01/11/07) Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4624aa40$0$16728$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > <cyrakis@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1176778636.749093.306450@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> On Apr 16, 7:46 pm, Happy Vegan <nofur4...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> If this event doesn't convince you nothing will! How many more have >>> to die because of our lax gun laws. >>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574 >>> That's the problem with the United States every red meat eating muscle >>> head thinks they have to have a gun to feel macho. More innocent >>> people will die because of this mentality. M >> There was gun control at Virginia Tech. All guns were banned from >> campus. That gun control policy had the affect of making sure all the >> nice folks who follow the rules and play nice were totally helpless >> when they were attacked by a nut who didn't give a damn about any gun >> ban. >> Why do you gun grabbers believe that making law-abiding citizens ever >> easier victims for human predators is a good idea? > Why don't gun nuts acknowledge the FACTS that a gun in the home is more > likely to kill or wound a friendly person than an intruder? Cite? > That a person is more likely to die from suicide if there's a gun in the > home? Nobody dies from suicide. Everybody who commits suicide dies. > Guns rarely prevent predators. Cite? > They make the homes of the owners more dangerous for the people who live > there. Cite? Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 "Lockheed Martin" <warprofits@whitehouse.us.gov> wrote in message news:f8eb23tu44goeevdegru8aklcjjbfur6rq@4ax.com... > On 17 Apr 2007 16:28:45 -0700, SportsBookJunkie <JimmyD.LV@gmail.com> > wrote: >>On Apr 17, 4:21 pm, aususa <josephbl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Apr 17, 2:26 pm, Lockheed Martin <warprof...@whitehouse.us.gov> >>> wrote: >>> > On 16 Apr 2007 21:56:07 -0700, Baldin Lee Pramer >>> > <BaldinPra...@msn.com> wrote: >>> > >On Apr 16, 8:46 pm, Happy Vegan <nofur4...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > >> If this event doesn't convince you nothing will! How many more >>> > >> have >>> > >> to die because of our lax gun laws. >>> > >>http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574 >>> > >It doesn't convince me. Events like this are very rare, and I value >>> > >our freedom to own guns more than the lives of these people. >>> > >Baldin Lee Pramer >>> > of all the countries surveyed America has the most Killings with guns. >>> > Greece which banned guns whether locals or tourists from America has >>> > the lowest gun murders >>> The stats don't lie, easy access to guns like you have in the USA is >>> the cause of an extremely high rate of deaths caused by guns. >>> Gun nuts live in a fantasy world if they believe arming everyone is >>> going to reduce gun deaths. >>Why do you believe that passing another gun control law will have some >>effect on crimes involving guns? > Surveys prove that gun control do work numbers don't lie. Cite? Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4624b87b$0$19390$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > One student had two guns and look what happened. Correction: One INSANE student had two ILLEGAL guns and look what happened. Quote
Guest Notan Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Patriot Games wrote: > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:4624b87b$0$19390$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> One student had two guns and look what happened. > > Correction: One INSANE student had two ILLEGAL guns and look what happened. How were the guns "illegal?" -- Notan Quote
Guest Starkiller Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:57:59 -0600, Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote: >Patriot Games wrote: >> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:4624b87b$0$19390$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> One student had two guns and look what happened. >> >> Correction: One INSANE student had two ILLEGAL guns and look what happened. > >How were the guns "illegal?" Technicall he should not have been sold the guns due to mental illness, however, there was no way to determine that at the time of purchase via the standard background checks. So the gun sale itself was a legal sale. The key word, however, should be "insane". From his videos that have been released as well as his writings and photos indicate that he was going to find a way to kill. He just happened to be able to buy the guns legitimately. I would wager that had he not been able to purchse them legitimately then he would have probably found a couple of illegal guns on the street or simply started buying ammonium nitrate. I honestly don't believe that an inability to purchase a gun would have deterred him from his quest. Regards Starkiller Quote
Guest Patriot Games Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 "Notan" <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in message news:5O6dnbC2KMgrJrrbnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@giganews.com... > Patriot Games wrote: >> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:4624b87b$0$19390$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> One student had two guns and look what happened. >> Correction: One INSANE student had two ILLEGAL guns and look what >> happened. > How were the guns "illegal?" Illegally obtained. He lied on the Federal forms. He had been adjudicated mentally impaired. Quote
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