Anarchism - arguments for and against

April 17, 2007

ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/meltzer/sp001500.html

April 17, 2007

On 17 Apr 2007 07:12:22 -0700, uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

Groups have no moral authority to agree to anything. Only individuals

can agree to things.

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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because

of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this

right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald

April 24, 2007

"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message

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> On 17 Apr 2007 07:12:22 -0700, uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

>

>> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

>> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

>> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

>> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

>> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

>

> Groups have no moral authority to agree to anything. Only individuals

> can agree to things.

Clever guy. You tell him.

April 27, 2007

Qazfez wrote:

> "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message

> news:6rba23hnmsumhjf284714223r4cl4e104v@4ax.com...

>> On 17 Apr 2007 07:12:22 -0700, uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

>>

>>> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

>>> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

>>> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

>>> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

>>> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

>>> territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

>>> infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

>> Groups have no moral authority to agree to anything. Only individuals

>> can agree to things.

>

> Clever guy. You tell him.

This is truly brilliant -- according to this, individuals cannot

voluntarily form groups that can make agreements. This will give

companies, NGOs, unions, etc. etc. etc. a truly difficult time

operating. One can only imagine someone who believes this going shopping

and attempting to act on this principle, finding himself unable to buy

anything from a store because only individuals, not groups (e.g.,

companies), have the "moral authority" to sell things.

--

Dan Clore

My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:

http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro

Lord We

April 28, 2007

Dan Clore <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message

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> Qazfez wrote:

> > "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message

> > news:6rba23hnmsumhjf284714223r4cl4e104v@4ax.com...

> >> On 17 Apr 2007 07:12:22 -0700, uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

> >>

> >>> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

> >>> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

> >>> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

> >>> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

> >>> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

>

> <snippage restored>

> >>> territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> >>> production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

> >>> infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

> <snippage restored>

>

> >> Groups have no moral authority to agree to anything. Only individuals

> >> can agree to things.

> >

> > Clever guy. You tell him.

>

> This is truly brilliant -- according to this, individuals cannot

> voluntarily form groups that can make agreements. This will give

> companies, NGOs, unions, etc. etc. etc. a truly difficult time

> operating. One can only imagine someone who believes this going shopping

> and attempting to act on this principle, finding himself unable to buy

> anything from a store because only individuals, not groups (e.g.,

> companies), have the "moral authority" to sell things.

It will kinda fuck up the libertarian notion of banding together in

self-defence leagues or mutual insurance groups as well. Buggers up the

'market-place' too, after all, they would have no moral right to operate any

exchange mechanism or medium beyond one-on-one barter.

Still, at least it will still leave a place for one man and his guns... all

different calibres, of course, after all, can't have anyone enforcing

something so vile as a standard form of measurement....

>

> --

> Dan Clore

>

> My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:

> http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro

> Lord We

April 30, 2007

uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

> territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

> production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

> infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

>

> http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/meltzer/sp001500.html

Argument against anarchy:

The free rider problem prevents adequate production of public goods, as

seen in Mogadishu in the anarchic years.

--

regards , Peter B. P.

http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk

April 30, 2007

Peter B. P. wrote:

> uri <danny99@bezeqint.net> wrote:

>

>> ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

>> to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

>> conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

>> obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

>> but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

>> territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

>> production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

>> infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

>>

>> http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/meltzer/sp001500.html

>

> Argument against anarchy:

>

> The free rider problem prevents adequate production of public goods, as

> seen in Mogadishu in the anarchic years.

Mogadishu doesn't provide a proper example of anarchism or anarchy, as

warlords established dictatorships over various parts of the city.

--

Dan Clore

My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:

http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro

Lord We

April 30, 2007

On Apr 29, 8:07 pm, p...@DIESPAMMERSCUM.dk (Peter B. P.) wrote:

> uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:

> > ANARCHISM (from the Gr. , and , contrary to authority), the name given

> > to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is

> > conceived without government - harmony in such a society being

> > obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority,

> > but by free agreements concluded between the various groups,

> > territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of

> > production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the

> > infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.

>

> >http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/meltzer/sp001500.html

>

> Argument against anarchy:

>

> The free rider problem prevents adequate production of public goods, as

> seen in Mogadishu in the anarchic years.

I am interested in the source of your information about

Somalia. I do not believe Somalia has been an anarchy,

but rather a set of small feudal states, but information

about the country has been very spotty and seems to

be provided mostly by Western observers who, we must

assume, have their prejudices. If we are going to learn

anything from conditions and events in Somalia we

are going to need more reliable information than that.

April 30, 2007

On Apr 30, 2:07 am, p...@DIESPAMMERSCUM.dk (Peter B. P.) wrote:

> The free rider problem prevents adequate production of public goods, as

> seen in Mogadishu in the anarchic years.

Anarchism is not a useful word, because it can mean practically

anything.

Tell the people in clear words instead, how you want the world to

work, without using old labels which stand in the way of clear

explanations.

Mogadishu is an even worse label, means only war and suffering, fear

and the rule of gangster gangs.

Abolish money and exchange, give and share instead.

The "free ride problem" can never become worse than it already is

under capitalism, were rich people do nothing but push other people

around, so forget this old excuse for upholding capitalism.

Let each individual think and decide for herself and himself. Enough

people will contribute with something useful for us all, voluntarily.

Look up the "really really free market" on the web, where people give

and share without expecting or asking for anything in return.

Political program for postcapitalism:

http://wikihost.org/wikis/program/wiki/start

What did they say before they learned to defend their manly honor?

When they were innocent and nice people.

> Consider the possibility that every word you say is the fruit that fills

> your belly and every word and thought in this place.

What was the girl before she was forced and trained to become a woman?

Before her ego got so big and her hand became so strong.

Puppy love, they call it, with contempt.

But grownup love is what destroyed the world.

Love built on power and violence.

--

Roger J.

June 16, 2007

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