Death Penalty - More than just an excellent idea!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I am so sick of the sissies who complain about the death penalty. Nothing and I mean nothing works perfectly every single time at stopping a criminal from committing additional crimes.

 

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU "No on the death penalty!" PUSSIES!!!

 

In fact, we need to speed up the process and use it for more types of crime, like rape, child molestation, corporate embezzlement, corporate fraud, lying before a grand jury, violent assualt, street gang criminal activity, hell and about a dozen others I can't even think about right now because I get too mad!

 

One thing is for certain, this guy, is a genius!

 

"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."

 

John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence

 

 

What's your take on this and be prepared to defend your weak ass position if you are in disagreement with me.

[Jhony5]

I agree that capitol punishment should be used as a deterant against child sex offenders and many other violent crimes. However DO NOT put to much trust in the legal system. Allowing the government to wield so much power as to start executing people whom haven't had a chance to appeal is madness. Every year people are convicted wrongly of crimes they did not commit. Our society is fed up with crime, especialy when it involves children. Making the jury froggy enough to leap at people who have resonable doubt on their side. Reasonable doubt has become expendable in lew of making someone pay for the crime.

 

DNA is the primary weapon that should be used for exspediant death penalty rulings. It clears any doubt from the field.

 

Illinois has huge issues with this already. Granting them more power at the present time seems a tad illogical.

Again your suggesting allowing the government to brandish way to much power. Dangerous stuff.

 

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions

http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/wrong/wrong.html

[Lethalfind]

I absolutely agree with the death penalty. I have no moral problem with pulling the switch on someone who has terrorized and victimized people. HOWEVER, statistics show that it does not deter others from commiting a crime that could land them on death row, crime truly does make you stupid evidently. Of course its one hell of a deterent for the one you put to death.

States that have the death penalty also report that it costs the state more to put someone to death then to maintain them until they die because of the automatic appeal the prisoner gets in part. Normally to appeal a conviction you have to have new information, no so when someone gets the death penalty, of course the people have to use a court appointed attorny, they don't have their own money.

 

In some states they are impotent when it comes to pulling the trigger on the actual sentence. I was reading that California has many people that have been sitting on death row far beyond 10 years. Thats fuckin ridiculous !!!

 

I for one RESENT every tax dollar spent on these peices of shit.

I was reading that Texas (lock and load) is trying to get a new law passed that if you are charged and convicted of first degree and they have two witness (not sure if there are more qaulifiers, like having the murder weapon) then you get no appeals, you don't pass go, you don't collect $200, you get the needle, quick and easy.

 

Thats how it should be. We bend over backwards to make sure we don't put to death an innocent person to the point where it looks like we don't have the balls to put someone to death who is on death row.

I think the answer is more like what Texas is doing, trying to trim down the process so it doesn't cost the state so much.

 

On the matter of costs to the state. I think the Sheriff out in Maricopa county Arizona ( I think thats the right county), he makes jail really unpleasant. There is a live webcam broadcast of the booking office so you can tune in and see if a loved one might be walking through. The prisoners live in tents, they have a hard time of it. Since when should the state make jail nice and pleasant for the offendors. They should be publicly humilated, made to work for their keep. I think the Sheriff even makes the men wear pink underwear...lol

I highly resent that its considered a RIGHT of a prisoner to get an education when I, a law abiding citizen has to pay for my education. What the fuck is that about??

As for this gang thing going on in jails, lock their fuckin asses in solitary if they can't play nice. How disgusting is it that the men and women who work in jails have to be in this kind of jeopardy?? The human refuse that are in jail have it too well or they would not be acting the way they do.

Sorry for the rant but its a pet peeve of mine

 

CES, you can count me in for capital punishment, flip the switch and do it quickly. Those people in jail should be so frightened of the authorities that when a gaurd says "jump", the prisoner says "how high"!!

[builder]

The Green Mile.

 

Chuck rocks if you never fucked up nothing.

[eisanbt]

drop em on an island full of berries, bores and opium. If lord of the flies had taught us anything......

[Jhony5]

You guys seem to be ducking the issue of wrongful convictions. These maverick statements are without thought of consequence.

The worst thing that could happen to a divorced man/woman is when their Ex is murdered. A sprinkle of bad luck and clever weaving by the prosecuter will end you up on the losing end of the death penalty.

[eisanbt]

Honestly I agree with you Johny, the death penality is far from perfect or effective. But i also oppose the whole idea of a penal system so I guess I'm ousted form this thread.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

You guys seem to be ducking the issue of wrongful convictions. These maverick statements are without thought of consequence.

The worst thing that could happen to a divorced man/woman is when their Ex is murdered. A sprinkle of bad luck and clever weaving by the prosecuter will end you up on the losing end of the death penalty.

 

1) Jhony, This argument is silly. It's like arguing against surgery for the possibility of a misdiagnoses. Wrongful convictions get lots of media attention when discovered, but they are extreamly rare.

 

2) The argument that the death penalty does not deter crime is preposterous! It sure as the hell deters the motherfucker getting 50,000 volts and 8 amps shot through his murderous ass! ... I'd like to see the stats on crimes committed by people after they were executed.

 

Further more, since most violent crimes are committed by people that already have convictions for violent crimes, They should be executed after the first violent offense.

[Jhony5]

Honestly I agree with you Johny, the death penality is far from perfect or effective. But i also oppose the whole idea of a penal system so I guess I'm ousted form this thread.

 

Say what? Come again.

I'm curious. What do you mean EXACTLY by "i'm opposed to the whole idea of a penal system"? Please tell.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

...DNA is the primary weapon that should be used for exspediant death penalty rulings. It clears any doubt from the field...

 

Yeah, tell that to Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.

 

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Dna.htm

 

45, yeah that's right, 45 seperate confirmed DNA blood evidences IGNORED by a mostly NIGGAR jury who just happen to go to a FUCKING PARTY at the defendants home, hours after his acquittal!

 

Look CAREFULLY...OJ's blood was at EVERY location, and ON THE GLOVE.

 

ROT IN FUCKING HELL JOHNNIE COCHRAN YOU PIECE OF SHIT NIGGAR WITH A SUIT! YOU TRICKED AND LIED AND HOODWINKED EVERYBODY TO LET A DOUBLE MURDERER GO FREE! I HOPE THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU!!! I HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!

 

There...now I feel somewhat better.

[Jhony5]

All true. I fully support the death penalty. The fact that juries can be so mindlessly stupid is all the more reason to use caution when considering the DP. Your talking about people who have no law experience and watch to much t.v.

 

The OJ matter was altogether ridiculous and we all know this. One cop has a history of saying the word ****** once and the jury ate up the soap opera essence of planting evidence.

 

I'm 99% sure that this kind of idiot jury shananagins plays out the other way more often then not. Especialy when children are involved, it seems as though justice runs backwards from its intended course. The defendant is put in a position of proving his innocense rather then defending the prosecution. Which goes against the basic principals of justice.

 

DNA is soley responsible for aquiting many dozens of Americans from their death row cells.

[Lethalfind]

I'm sorry but your saying "lets not have the death penalty just in case we make a mistake" as in if we don't put them to death then we can at least release them??

Don't you think it would make more since to make damn sure they have the right person in certain cases rather then throwing the perverbial baby out with the bath water??

I am sick of being victimized by people who don't give a damn. Its time to make the penalties of breaking the law more harsh, not less.

Even in states where there is no death penalty, Federal juries have had no problem imposing the death penalty, which makes one think that even Connecticut (for example) has the same blood lust the death penalty states have.

As for OJ, Justice is for sale in the US, he is walking the streets today because he had the money to buy a good defense. Any other black man who was accused of brutully killing two white people would be in the chair waiting for the lights to blink. We all seem to forget about OJ that while he might not have been found criminally responsible, he was found responsible in a civil court, where the rules of evidence are not as strict.

If the state can't take care of these fuckin people then don't get your panties in a wad when the citizen take up arms and start defending themselves with deadly force. I can just see it now, we can keep hash marks on our front door post to warn others of how many intruders we have shot. Thats a great way to have to live.

About a week ago, a pedophile approached children at a school bus stop to try and get them in his car to make a porn film with him. Am I really going to have to sit at my daughters bus stop with my 38 out to make sure no one bothers the children on the way to school???

If the law keeps going the way it is, hand holding the sickos then I guess I will.

[Jhony5]

1) Jhony, This argument is silly. It's like arguing against surgery for the possibility of a misdiagnoses. Wrongful convictions get lots of media attention when discovered, but they are extreamly rare.

 

2) The argument that the death penalty does not deter crime is preposterous! It sure as the hell deters the motherfucker getting 50,000 volts and 8 amps shot through his murderous ass! ... I'd like to see the stats on crimes committed by people after they were executed.

 

Further more, since most violent crimes are committed by people that already have convictions for violent crimes, They should be executed after the first violent offense.

 

As a deterant, the death penalty, if implemented against child abductors/molestors would work. Most pedophiles are cowards by nature. They are the sneaky cowards who lurk in the shadows knowing that the price of being caught is outweighed by the pleasure they derive from their evil actions. Take the Pauly Klass incident. Her murderer had been previously convicted of rape and kidnap. When asked why he decided to kill her he provided an honest answer. "I got caught last time because she identified me" he said. Kidnap of a minor should result in capitol punishment without any appeals. It could not possibly be argued that it would'nt serve as a deterant. It is our fault as Americans that the issue of protecting our children from sex offenders has taken a backseat to protecting our children from drugs. Case in point, in Michigan the sentance for attempted sale of 1 kilogram or more of cocaine is mandatory life in prison.

[Jhony5]

Lethalfind.

Do not misunderstand me. I support the death penalty and believe it should be ramped up given very strict guidlines. I'm providing arguement that this lynchmob kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out attitude is dangerous and i'm not willing to hand that much power to the government. I'm positive that if you were on trial for capitol murder and you were in fact innocent, then you would not want to be dragged out back after a hasty trial and shot in the head. Am I right?

[Lethalfind]

Lethalfind.

Do not misunderstand me. I support the death penalty and believe it should be ramped up given very strict guidlines. I'm providing arguement that this lynchmob kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out attitude is dangerous and i'm not willing to hand that much power to the government. I'm positive that if you were on trial for capitol murder and you were in fact innocent, then you would not want to be dragged out back after a hasty trial a shot in the head. Am I right?

 

What I would hope that is BEFORE we got there, the legal system would have been smarter and not put an innocent person on death row.

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=236&scid=40#TX

 

"Texas Senate Passes Bill to Create Innocence Commission

The Texas Senate passed legislation (S.B. 1045) to create a joint interim committee on post-conviction exonerations. The committee will study wrongful convictions in the state and identify appropriate improvements in the criminal justice system to prevent such errors in the future. The nine members of the committee will include a state's attoney, two members chosen from the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, two members of the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, a judge, and two law professors. (May 20, 2003). William Sessions, a former director of the FBI, recently endorsed the creation of the panel, which still must be approved by the Texas House. "

[eisanbt]

Say what? Come again.

I'm curious. What do you mean EXACTLY by "i'm opposed to the whole idea of a penal system"? Please tell.

 

I posted this elsewhere.

 

BUT I really don't believe in the penal system at all in that these people are fucked up. Both the body and the mind are chemical systems and when somebodys body stop working right we give them drugs and make them better. The same should be true for people who are psychopathic or simply delinquents; They're not functioning properly so we ought to fix them just as we would somebody with yellow fever. Its has been PROVEN again and again throughout history that punishment simply dosn't work, its a psychological fact, wither to persude people from acting or to rehabiltate them. If they are sickos, then lets cure them and put them back to work!

 

Even if you put drugging them aside (Which will undoubtly be the very soon next step for rehablitation) I don't think I have the right to off somebody, nor does anyone else, so no death penality. And jail is BS because negitive renforcement DOES NOT WORK! And there are VERY few prisons which have a good environment. You want to know why their giving prisonners free education? Its so when they get out they can put it to use, get a job and become productive.

 

I think they should treat delinquents the same way they treat mental patients: After you've proven that you can and want to be a regular citizen again then you can go free, But you can't do that shit with minimum sentences now can you?

 

We've gradually (over the centuries) seen that rehabilitation is much more effective in handling criminals (Hence the system we currently use) But the current system is really really half-assed about it. Its like we know using both arms makes us swim faster but we'll only use one because we're idiots.

 

There was an endless line of people leading to the guillotine during the french revolution, it was public. And you know what, the line just kept on going and going. Awful effective wasn't it?

 

 

An eye for an eye dosn't work and I'll say YES to the fact that people can't kill again after you get rid of them but that sure as hell won't keep them form killing in the first place. Root out whats making this shit happen so frequently in your society and attack there.

 

The war against crime should not be one of attrition!

[snafu]

What I would hope that is BEFORE we got there, the legal system would have been smarter and not put an innocent person on death row.

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=236&scid=40#TX

 

"Texas Senate Passes Bill to Create Innocence Commission

The Texas Senate passed legislation (S.B. 1045) to create a joint interim committee on post-conviction exonerations. The committee will study wrongful convictions in the state and identify appropriate improvements in the criminal justice system to prevent such errors in the future. The nine members of the committee will include a state's attoney, two members chosen from the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, two members of the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, a judge, and two law professors. (May 20, 2003). William Sessions, a former director of the FBI, recently endorsed the creation of the panel, which still must be approved by the Texas House. "

 

 

Exactly!

 

To get convicted of a crime there has to the

[Jhony5]

What I would hope that is BEFORE we got there, the legal system would have been smarter and not put an innocent person on death row.

 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=236&scid=40#TX

 

"Texas Senate Passes Bill to Create Innocence Commission

The Texas Senate passed legislation (S.B. 1045) to create a joint interim committee on post-conviction exonerations. The committee will study wrongful convictions in the state and identify appropriate improvements in the criminal justice system to prevent such errors in the future. The nine members of the committee will include a state's attoney, two members chosen from the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, two members of the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, a judge, and two law professors. (May 20, 2003). William Sessions, a former director of the FBI, recently endorsed the creation of the panel, which still must be approved by the Texas House. "

 

What I would hope that is before we got there, the legal system would have been smarter and not put an innocent person on death row.

 

Well here in lies the problem. Its not always about "being smart enough" for the DA and the prosecutor. Its often about politics. DA's and Prosecuters are elected officials that are responsible for holding someone responsible for a crime against the community he/she serves. They don't maintain office by standing in court and trying to find out whom commited a crime. They keep their jobs and are granted promotions based on convictions. I'm not implying that they are bloodthirsty ravenous beasts that want to wrongly convict. I see these cases of wrongful convictions arrising when the prosecuters suffer from tunnel vision and have convinced themselves that you are guilty.

[eisanbt]

I edited the above to include more...

[Jhony5]

Exactly!

 

To get convicted of a crime there has to the

[angie]

Ron White says it best:

"If you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy"

"Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in an express lane!"

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Ron White says it best:

"If you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy"

"Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in an express lane!"

... and if you don't fucking like it, LEAVE! Try Massachusettes or California.

[Lethalfind]

Ron White says it best:

"If you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That's our policy"

"Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in an express lane!"

 

Fuckin right, thats what I love about Texas.

 

 

read about the average time people sit on death row in Texas as opposed to California.

[angie]

Hell, they could come to Connecticut. Do you know how long it took them to put Michael Ross to death? A total of EIGHTEEN YEARS! He was convicted in 1987, only to have the death penalty overturned in 1994, and it was eventually back on the table and he was put to death in 2005. HE MURDERED 8 WOMEN. HE CONFESSED. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO DEATH A LONG FUCKING TIME AGO! The first execution in 45 years. Fucking New England liberals!

[Outlaw2747]

I oppose the death penalty. It is wrong. You want to know why it is so wrong?

 

BECAUSE IT IS TOO EASY ON THE FUCKERS!!!

 

Rapists, pedos, mass murders, serial killers, gang banging jackasses, and any other overgrown single celled organsims need to be TORTURED! Most of these bastards, once put in jail don't give a fuck about dying! Hell some of them want it! Inhumane my ass! They should have thought about it before fucking a 9 year old girl, or shooting their own brother for meth and weed. Or killing hapless women who have done nothing to them! Maybe if we torture these stupid NON-human son of a bitches, maybe something will snap in the minds of would-be rapists, etc. and give them the hint...DON'T FUCK AROUND! Serve as a real example of what you shouldn't do. A testament of a NO FUCK AROUND policy.

 

Other countries don't mess around and they take it to these assclowns. Why don't we? because we want to look "peaceful", "civilized", and "humane". Fuck that. And not just physical torture...some of these sickos are masochists. I am sure we have people in this world who can tap into the fears of scumbags, deny them more than their freedom. Then leave it up to the law what they want to do afterwards with the neanderthals. I don't care at that point. Oh, and women are not exempt either. They are humans too and if they want to go sub-human, same fate awaits them.