Liberals are helping to help win the war for the enemy

[Jhony5]

That was a sad example of right wing political propaganda. To blame anyone but the terrorist for what happened on 9/11 is pathetic. Another example of politicians using tragedy to extort votes.

 

Which, ironicaly, was exactly what republicans said when dems tried to blame republican politics for 9/11.

[snafu]

Agreed! Would you expect the left to throw out propaganda and the right not play the same game? But was any of it a lie?

Should we forget how we got to were we are now?

I've said it all a long it didn't matter who was president we still would've gone to war. But should we have waited through all of that?

Is using the truth propaganda? Not different than the Bush lied comments that can't be substantiated. But these are hard proven facts.

 

I want people to understand how we got were we are and who's willing to sit idle!!

[Jhony5]

Agreed! Would you expect the left to throw out propaganda and the right not play the same game? But was any of it a lie?

Should we forget how we got to were we are now?

I've said it all a long it didn't matter who was president we still would've gone to war. But should we have waited through all of that?

Is using the truth propaganda? Not different than the Bush lied comments that can't be substantiated. But these are hard proven facts.

 

I want people to understand how we got were we are and who's willing to sit idle!!

 

 

The truth is not propaganda, true. But when they doctor the truth to fit an agenda then .....well it becomes propaganda. Your right in saying that billy boy didn't have the military understanding required to take on Al Quida. His half hearted attack on Afganastans Al Quida outposts was so flat and misguided.

At this point its best to move on, forget our past transgresions, and attack the nations that are actualy guiding terrorism. Iraq is a shell now. Hand it over so it doesn't continue to suck our military dry. WE ARE DONE THERE. Its time for Saudi Arabia and Jordan to answer a few questions.

[snafu]

Propaganda is not the truth?

 

OK take the blame away from everybody. What do we have? Islamic militants that want us all dead. You said it yourself not to blame anybody but the terrorists that did these actions.

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[builder]

Forget right and left for a moment. Why are you in favour of nuking Iran?

 

Do you know the real story? Or simply believe the propaganda fed to you?

 

Here is what your gov doesn't want you to know about Iran's nuclear energy needs.

 

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/more.php?id=2523_0_1_0_M

[Jhony5]

Intresting article Builder.

It seems a risky propasition though don't ya think? For a country as suspect as Iran to manufactor weapons grade plutonium would be the end of us all. Period. And you know the slimey fucks would do just that. Once that door is open then in comes every bad thing imaginable.

[builder]

Iran opened the door to any kind of inspection and monitoring processes. They need the energy to develop, and save oil for sale to the US among others. Fuck they are bending over backwards to meet any and all criteria. They keep hitting brick walls set up by Bush and co.

 

6. Abuse of IAEA Machinery

 

Regrettably, the EU3, pressed by the United States, adopted a path of

confrontation in the September 2005 IAEA Board of Governors meeting. In clear violation of their October 2003 and November 2004 commitments, the EU3 moved a politically motivated and factually and legally flawed resolution in the IAEA Board of Governors, and together with the United States and using all their combined diplomatic and economic leverages imposed it on the Board through an unprecedented resort to voting rather than the previously unbroken practice of consensus.

 

 

If you read to the end, you will see that denying them their rights under the NPT is the real issue here. There is also no evidence of a wish to join in the nuclear arms proliferation rush. Only more neocon propaganda, and media control of the real truth.

 

Nuking a non-nuclear country is a crime under the NPT. Trouble is, who will police the police?

[Jhony5]

Propaganda is not the truth?

 

OK take the blame away from everybody. What do we have? Islamic militants that want us all dead. You said it yourself not to blame anybody but the terrorists that did these actions.

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[Jhony5]

Iran opened the door to any kind of inspection and monitoring processes. They need the energy to develop, and save oil for sale to the US among others. Fuck they are bending over backwards to meet any and all criteria. They keep hitting brick walls set up by Bush and co.

 

 

If you read to the end, you will see that denying them their rights under the NPT is the real issue here. There is also no evidence of a wish to join in the nuclear arms proliferation rush. Only more neocon propaganda, and media control of the real truth.

 

Nuking a non-nuclear country is a crime under the NPT. Trouble is, who will police the police?

 

 

Iran opened the door to any kind of inspection......

 

Well here is the problem. A door may be closed as easily as it is opened. After establishment of nuclear cabability, we are thrust into a position of trust. Trusting the Iranian government would prove as wise as trusting Sadaam. Analogy time everybody . A guy that you have fought with feverishly in the past begs you to sell him a gun. You have your doubts and argue back and forth. He maintains that he needs it to protect his family. So after much careful thought you give him the gun. Now you both have a gun and he decides he doesn't like you anymore and ........Bam.

Now what did you learn.....????

[builder]

If you read that link, you would also see that the possibility of secretly stockpiling plutonium products for military use would be impossible in the first instance, and unlikely in the second.

 

If the door does get shut, then there is fair cause to attack. At this point in time, the big brother attitude of The US gov is the real problem. Iran will develop nuclear energy programs, as is their right under the NPT agreement, of which the US is a signatory. If Iran cannot deal legitimately over the table, they will go under the table, and set up deals with more hostile nations, like North Korea, and possibly China, who, I will add, are hungry for Iran's oil.

 

Why turn a potential ally into a potential enemy? Unless the US gov has a hidden agenda regarding nuking a non-nuclear country. The US gov is the wild card in this breakdown in protocol. Not Iran.

[Jhony5]

If you read that link, you would also see that the possibility of secretly stockpiling plutonium products for military use would be impossible in the first instance, and unlikely in the second.

 

If the door does get shut, then there is fair cause to attack. At this point in time, the big brother attitude of The US gov is the real problem. Iran will develop nuclear energy programs, as is their right under the NPT agreement, of which the US is a signatory. If Iran cannot deal legitimately over the table, they will go under the table, and set up deals with more hostile nations, like North Korea, and possibly China, who, I will add, are hungry for Iran's oil.

 

Why turn a potential ally into a potential enemy? Unless the US gov has a hidden agenda regarding nuking a non-nuclear country. The US gov is the wild card in this breakdown in protocol. Not Iran.

 

 

I hear what your saying, but everytime America allies with a muslim nation....well you know all about that shit. Your absolutely correct though. It will be done.

[builder]

I hear what your saying, but everytime America allies with a muslim nation....well you know all about that shit. Your absolutely correct though. It will be done.

 

Meaning they will be nuked? Or Iran will develop a nuclear energy facility?

 

Oh, and which Muslim nation has the US gov "made" an ally? They ousted democratically elected leaders and installed their own puppets and funded them and armed them and gave them a list of their own people to kill, and aimed them like a loaded gun at their neighbours.

 

Is that what you mean by "everytime America allies with a muslim nation"??

[Jhony5]

Meaning they will be nuked? Or Iran will develop a nuclear energy facility?

 

Oh, and which Muslim nation has the US gov "made" an ally? They ousted democratically elected leaders and installed their own puppets and funded them and armed them and gave them a list of their own people to kill, and aimed them like a loaded gun at their neighbours.

 

Is that what you mean by "everytime America allies with a muslim nation"??

 

Ya thats what I meant.

Again, its about trust between nations. Muslim nations have taken our trust and molested it in ways that we all know. You really outta withdrawl your membership from the Micheal Moore fan club, its starting to warp your mind.

 

Outsting democraticly elected leaders??? HA. Yes, America has spoiled democracy in the mid-east. Afganastan was doing so well before we fucked it all up for them. Iraq is no longer the peaceful desert oasis it once was. And now we're trying to spoil Irans peaceful quest for nuclear power, which they are so concerned on using to help their own people.

[builder]

You've run out of ammo, haven't you, Jhony?

 

Afghanistan was an ally that helped you win the cold war. Job done, you left them to thrash it out amongst themselves. Fuck, the Koran was translated and fed to them, along with the wherewithall to cripple a super-power. Way to go, team.

 

Iran's Mossadegh was your Time magazine's Man of the Year in '51. Two years later he is arrested for treason on trumped-up charges, and never released from house arrest. Don't start me on Iraq and South America.

[Jhony5]

You've run out of ammo, haven't you, Jhony?

 

Afghanistan was an ally that helped you win the cold war. Job done, you left them to thrash it out amongst themselves. Fuck, the Koran was translated and fed to them, along with the wherewithall to cripple a super-power. Way to go, team.

 

Iran's Mossadegh was your Time magazine's Man of the Year in '51. Two years later he is arrested for treason on trumped-up charges, and never released from house arrest. Don't start me on Iraq and South America.

 

Your getting to far into the semantics of world history. Wait till your nation gets stuck by the terrorist threat that you seem to be so distanced from on your island. Who do you think your powerless nation will come crying to when you witness your own cities being attacked? Whether you like it or not, the world needs police.

[builder]

Your getting to far into the semantics of world history. Wait till your nation gets stuck by the terrorist threat that you seem to be so distanced from on your island. Who do you think your powerless nation will come crying to when you witness your own cities being attacked? Whether you like it or not, the world needs police.

 

We just arrested over a dozen suspects under our new anti-towel head laws.

 

I'm expecting attacks at any time now.

 

But you are denying the base law of cause and effect. Fucking with another nation, and causing them to live under fear of persecution is such a great way to impress the values of democracy on another nation.

 

Oh, and in recent tests on our "powerless nation's" new submarines in war games with the US, we "sank" two of your subs, and one of your aircraft carriers, highlighting deficiencies in your sonar and radar surveillance tactics and equipment. We did not lose a single vessel.

 

Not to be forgetting that without our country, and jointly run surveillance bases at Pine Gap and Exmouth, your forces would not have a clue what is happening in this part of the globe, namely China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, need I go on?

 

It's a two-way street, Jhony. We have fought alongside your troops in every major conflict in our short history, and with the exception of the fiasco that was the Korean war, the respect was mutual.

[Lethalfind]

We just arrested over a dozen suspects under our new anti-towel head laws.

 

I'm expecting attacks at any time now.

 

But you are denying the base law of cause and effect. Fucking with another nation, and causing them to live under fear of persecution is such a great way to impress the values of democracy on another nation.

 

Oh, and in recent tests on our "powerless nation's" new submarines in war games with the US, we "sank" two of your subs, and one of your aircraft carriers, highlighting deficiencies in your sonar and radar surveillance tactics and equipment. We did not lose a single vessel.

 

Not to be forgetting that without our country, and jointly run surveillance bases at Pine Gap and Exmouth, your forces would not have a clue what is happening in this part of the globe, namely China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, need I go on?

 

It's a two-way street, Jhony. We have fought alongside your troops in every major conflict in our short history, and with the exception of the fiasco that was the Korean war, the respect was mutual.

 

I am still waiting for the US to enact laws like this, I wonder how long a wait I will have....

[builder]

You've totally avoided the points of my post.

 

We just arrested over a dozen suspects under our new anti-towel head laws.

 

I'm expecting attacks at any time now.

 

But you are denying the base law of cause and effect. Fucking with another nation, and causing them to live under fear of persecution is such a great way to impress the values of democracy on another nation.

 

Oh, and in recent tests on our "powerless nation's" new submarines in war games with the US, we "sank" two of your subs, and one of your aircraft carriers, highlighting deficiencies in your sonar and radar surveillance tactics and equipment. We did not lose a single vessel.

 

Not to be forgetting that without our country, and jointly run surveillance bases at Pine Gap and Exmouth, your forces would not have a clue what is happening in this part of the globe, namely China, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, need I go on?

 

It's a two-way street, Jhony. We have fought alongside your troops in every major conflict in our short history, and with the exception of the fiasco that was the Korean war, the respect was mutual.

[Jhony5]

What a loser. You actualy reposted this dribble. Did you hear that everybody? Beware the superpower that is Austrailia, as they have sunk my battleship. LOL. Your an idiot savant of some sorts aren't ya?

[snafu]

If Iran needs Nuking then so be it. I just want to take their ability to strike at any body.

Holy shit! You believe they need nuclear energy Hahahahaha

You are joking aren't you!

What does one of the richest oil Nations need with nuclear energy?

 

Oh shit that

[builder]

What a loser. You actualy reposted this dribble. Did you hear that everybody? Beware the superpower that is Austrailia, as they have sunk my battleship. LOL. Your an idiot savant of some sorts aren't ya?

 

You ignorance is apparent. You seem to think that the only people in the world with any military capability are the yanks. That is the attitude that will sink you, not our subs.

 

My point was that the joint training excercise showed up huge holes in your defensive tactics. Your boys always assume they will win. Big mistake.

 

Like Rummy said, "we don't do nation building". Good at dropping shit and crippling infrastructure, but no fucking clue what to do once the easy bit is over. Your troops can't even secure ten kilometres of road between the "safe" zone in Iraq, and the fucking airport.

 

Get back to me when you've "conquered" that dismally short strip of fucking desert. It's only been like, years since victory was claimed over the Iraqis.

[builder]

If Iran needs Nuking then so be it. I just want to take their ability to strike at any body.

Holy shit! You believe they need nuclear energy Hahahahaha

You are joking aren't you!

What does one of the richest oil Nations need with nuclear energy?

 

Oh shit that

[Jhony5]

You ignorance is apparent. You seem to think that the only people in the world with any military capability are the yanks. That is the attitude that will sink you, not our subs.

 

My point was that the joint training excercise showed up huge holes in your defensive tactics. Your boys always assume they will win. Big mistake.

 

Like Rummy said, "we don't do nation building". Good at dropping shit and crippling infrastructure, but no fucking clue what to do once the easy bit is over. Your troops can't even secure ten kilometres of road between the "safe" zone in Iraq, and the fucking airport.

 

Get back to me when you've "conquered" that dismally short strip of fucking desert. It's only been like, years since victory was claimed over the Iraqis.

 

 

Ignorant.

 

The ONLY damn reason we don't fucking own Iraq is because we are playing nice and you know this. If we weren't being so PC in trying to appease the soft hearted liberals by not CONQUERING the whole of Iraq, then we would have those towel wearing cowards afraid to walk outdoors. We are at war with an enemy that can blend in seemlessly with the people we are supposedly trying to help. This war is not about bringing a nation to a point of surrender. Its about restoring an orderly democratic government to a region that desperately needs it.

 

Don't even try to think it for a second Aussie boy. An alledged "hole" in our submarine radar defense or whatever would do little to prevent the mighty US from smoking any nation that dares challenge us in an all out war. These "war games" you speak of don't mean shit unless your talking about Matthew Broderick (Hows that for an obscure reference).

[hopeUslide]

War does'nt decide who is right,war decides who is left.

[Lauren]

Liberals that are against the war must have forgotten...

 

1) The scientist who hid nuclear detonation devices in his back yard.

2) The yellow cake purchased from Africa.

3) The constant no fly zone violations.

4) The defiance to the UN weapons inspectors.

5) The slaughter of Kurds, shiites.

6) The first gulf war.

7) The fact that the mother-fucker is Sadaam Hussein.

8) The fact that Al Queda has a HUGE pesence in Iraq.

9) The fact the Jordanian suicide bombers were Iraqis.

10) There is more, but I gotta go...

 

I couldn't agree more...