Liberals are helping to help win the war for the enemy

[snafu]

You don't read much, do you Snaf~U? Get your news off Fox?

 

Iran's oil will run out in 2015 at the current rate of usage and export. Unlike the US, they wish to plan ahead for the "Peak Oil" scenario. Not to be forgetting they have no other export income as valuable and tradable.

 

Iran is not some tinpot wayside town. A country of over 70 million people need power, and unlike the US, they would prefer not to burn their fossil fuels wantonly, like there is no fucking end to them.

 

Go drill Alaska.

 

 

You quote an article like it's the bible and you say all my info is from fox news. What a hypocrite!

How in the fuck do you know what they prefer?

You say they prefer to save their fossil fuels and I say they prefer to have nukes.

I believe I'm a whole lot closer than you.

 

Fuck you need to open your eyes!

 

Yes Australia is a tremendously invaluable Allie. And for the most part your country agrees with us. You don't but your county dose.

 

Hell ya drill for oil here in Alaska! Give us some more time to work on different alternative fuels. kinda like what Iran should do instead of acting like they need nuclear energy.

[Jhony5]

War does'nt decide who is right,war decides who is left.

 

 

I don't take advice from bumper stickers.

 

Why do people think shit like this sounds so wity? Sometimes war is'nt about who is right, pal.

[builder]

You quote an article like it's the bible and you say all my info is from fox news. What a hypocrite!

 

I quoted a source. Nothing unusual about that. Did I forget to mention CNN? Or some other puppy-dog excuse for a news station? You are on the web, Snaf~U, so you have no excuse for not verifying information.

 

How in the fuck do you know what they prefer?

You say they prefer to save their fossil fuels and I say they prefer to have nukes.

 

I say that Iran was a well-run diplomaticly capable democracy before your CIA fucked it up back in the fifties. Think about it, snafu...If the towel-heads were to secretly oust Bush and place him in custody for treason (where he belongs) and implant one of their own men in his place, would you think that the American people would have forgotten all about it by now? Forgive and forget? Ancient history?

 

LIKE FUCK THEY WOULD.

 

But you expect the Iranians to do just that, don't you?

 

I believe I'm a whole lot closer than you.

 

You're not even in the picture.

 

Fuck you need to open your eyes!

 

Fuck, you need a brain implant.

 

Yes Australia is a tremendously invaluable Allie. And for the most part your country agrees with us. You don't but your county dose.

 

What a crock of shit. There was no mandate for supporting the axis of deciept that was bushy boy's neocon war. None whatsover. Read, don't assume.

 

Hell ya drill for oil here in Alaska! Give us some more time to work on different alternative fuels. kinda like what Iran should do instead of acting like they need nuclear energy.

 

We have oil. We have natural gas. We also have sunshine aplenty. Wind, high mountains with waterfalls gushing. We still want to burn shit. pull thy finger out.

[snafu]

No.

Everything you brought up in this thread was from that one report you posted.

 

My CIA fucked it up in the fifties and now Bush needs to be in custody for treason? Dude the presidency isn’t that long. Our government decided to be on the better side of two evils at that time we decided on helping stop that war. Right or Wrong that war was stopped.

 

What are you talking about implanting someone? Where? In control of the country? Is that what you mean? We ousted a ruthless dictator. Just about everybody agrees with that in the general public as well as I’m guessing GF. Certainly the vast majority of Iraqis! Who really matter.

 

Hmm…. You and a bunch of your blokes are against the war now but not when it happened. Here’s your reach you requested. No mandate to go to war “A”? I don’t assume anything here.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/03/17/australia.iraq/index.html

 

We have oil? What’s that supposed to mean? You said Iraq will run out in 2015. Do you think ours will last forever? Iraq is lacking mountains and gushing waterfalls. They've got plenty of sunshine and wind. There are other sources also ya know.

 

I don't want to toss names back and forth at eachother here but you're very nieve to think they won't build nukes.

 

 

Wake up and smell the coffee!

[builder]

This from your link;

 

Howard has been one of President Bush's staunchest supporters over Iraq despite considerable public disquiet over the stance.

 

An opinion poll published Tuesday showed 71 percent of voters oppose Australian involvement in military action against Iraq without a mandate from the United Nations, a finding consistent with polls taken over the past few months.

 

The Australian leader acknowledged Tuesday's decision would be unpopular but said the action "has a sound legal basis in the resolutions of the Security Council that have already been passed".

 

It might help if you read your own links, Snaf~U. Against the wishes of our people, our PM joined in the farcical neocon shitshow.

 

And for those who struggle with maths, 71 percent against is the same as 29 percent for. Strangely enough, those figures are mirrored in the US right about now.

[builder]

Oh, and you want more than one link? This is from the usenet forums.

 

Bush's statements, on Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction in

chronological order :

 

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were

used for the production of biological weapons."

 

-United Nations Address, Sept. 12, 2002

 

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is

rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

 

"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently

authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons --

the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

 

-Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002

 

"The Iraqi regime... possesses and produces chemical and

biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."

 

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of

chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve

gas."

 

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a

growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could

be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad

areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these

UAVS for missions targeting the United States."

 

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear

weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi

nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his

nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is

rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear

program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength

aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges,

which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

 

-Cincinnati, Ohio Speech, Oct. 7, 2002

 

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had

the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard

and VX nerve agent."

 

-State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003

 

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no

doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some

of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

 

-Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003"

 

 

By intentionally bombing Baghdad water purification system,

their dams, reservoirs, water and sewage systems, causing the

sewage to flow into the Tigress River, contaminating the water

causing massive deaths by disease.

 

http://www.ummah.net/waragainstislam/western.htm

 

Intentionally contaminating the Iraqi people, the land, water, air,

even our own soldiers with depleted uranium, just as Bush Sr

did in 1990/91.

 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082304W.shtml

 

Of the 575,000 soldiers in Gulf I, 325,000 are either dead or on

permanent disability today.

 

http://www.anthraxadeadlyshotinthedark.com/

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...05anthrax.html

 

 

Intentionally bombed two children's hospitals filled with

defenseless, sick children, etc., etc. The list just goes on and

on.

 

26 Mar 2003 - Rutbah children's hospital aerial bombardment

 

02 Apr 2003 9:30AM Red Crescent maternity hospital and vicinity,

Baghdad nearby Government buildings aerial bombardment

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/databas...?ts=1119286382

 

 

04 Apr 2003 - 04 May 2003 - Al-Alwiyah Children's Hospital,

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/databas...?ts=1119286563

 

Yes, the US government/CIA give a whole new meaning to

the words liberation, freedom and democracy, and how

they show their appreciation, bar none.

 

It's the US government/CIA who claims they're for human

rights, democracy and freedom, while they themselves are

responsible for the deaths of 6 million innocent lives

throughout the world with their torture, illegal overthrowing

governments, including democratic governments, mass

extermination for population control using their created

bio-chemicals, germ warfare, contamination from their

depleted uranium, including our own soldiers, etc.

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4068.htm

 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082304W.shtml

 

I wonder how many American's are even aware of the fact that

Wackenhut Security, owned and run by ex-CIA/FBI agents just

happened to be in charge of airport security at all three

airports on 9/11 where the planes were hijacked.

 

Yes, the same Wackenhut Security who Bush has teamed up with

FEMA, who receives 99% of all government security contracts

without bidding of course, and who has recently replaced the

security at both West Point and Annapolis.

 

 

 

Foreign terrorists don't need to attack the US to bring it down, the

US government is managing to do that quite well on their own.

 

And someone really needs to get Bush a dictionary and teach him

how to read.

 

Prime example, he keeps calling those fighting to prevent the US and

Britain from stealing their nation and oil, insurgents. If a nation

invaded

America and tried to take it over, would you be called insurgents, or

PATRIOTS ?

 

Yes, believe it or not, the same applies to the Iraqi people, meaning

they're PATRIOTS, and not insurgents and Bush keeps trying to brain

wash people into thinking.

Yes, the Bush family certainly gives a new meaning to democracy.

 

[builder]

Ignorant.

Brainwashed would have been closer to the mark. So sorry.

 

The ONLY damn reason we don't fucking own Iraq is because we are playing nice and you know this.

 

Playing nice? You mean bombing the fuck out of the place, killing tens of thousands of civvies? Wiping out infrastructure? Cutting off vital supplies of clean water and electricity? Irradiating the whole place with depleted uranium? If that is "playing nice", then I hope to never see it get real nasty.

 

If we weren't being so PC in trying to appease the soft hearted liberals by not CONQUERING the whole of Iraq, then we would have those towel wearing cowards afraid to walk outdoors.

 

It's the non-Iraqis that are afraid to walk outdoors there. No real surprise at all, considering the carnage wrought by the invaders.

 

We are at war with an enemy that can blend in seemlessly with the people we are supposedly trying to help.

 

Sounds like Nam.

 

This war is not about bringing a nation to a point of surrender. Its about restoring an orderly democratic government to a region that desperately needs it.

 

You still believe that tripe????????? You are as thick as two short planks.

 

Don't even try to think it for a second Aussie boy.

 

You stoop to patronising me? What a waste of space. Stop breathing now.

 

An alledged "hole" in our submarine radar defense or whatever would do little to prevent the mighty US from smoking any nation that dares challenge us in an all out war.

 

Name a nation that would "challenge" the US forces?

You could "smoke" any nation you choose. Trouble is, we all breathe the same air. You drop a nuke on one nation, and you'll be opening the Pandora's box. Nukes will be coming in as they are going out. Paybacks are a bitch. Are you ready for the never-ending winter of discontent?

 

These "war games" you speak of don't mean shit unless your talking about Matthew Broderick (Hows that for an obscure reference).

 

Your fucked-up ego don't mean shit neither. You can choose to grovel in self-adulation, or rise up and realise that you live on a planet, rather than a relatively small patch of dirt called the US of A.

[builder]

Originally Posted by hopeUslide

War does'nt decide who is right,war decides who is left.

 

I don't take advice from bumper stickers.

 

Why do people think shit like this sounds so wity? Sometimes war is'nt about who is right, pal.

 

War is about money now. Are you missing that point?

 

 

 

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082304W.shtml

Of the 575,000 soldiers in Gulf I, 325,000 are either dead or on

permanent disability today.

[snafu]

Builder I used that one because you said all my info is from fox news. That was a lefty site CNN! Couldn't you tell? It also said 71% wouldn't not want to go in without a U.N. mandate. They got one. Then it said "it has a sound legal reason". Not " it sounds like it has a legal reason. Big differance!! Or do you know the differance? You need to read the whole thing! Go back and maybe it will make some sense to you.

 

I was also showing you that even your government affirmed that Saddam was a threat to your country, it was a legal move and they needed to go along with America. Fuck I know war’s not popular. Never has been.

 

I don't know if it's a culture differences or your just plain dense but I assumed you understood this.

[hugo]

DU is no more harmful than lead. I can post a site documenting Santa's existance.

[Crazywumbat]

DU is no more harmful than lead. I can post a site documenting Santa's existance.

 

Well I can see your level of stupidity hasn't changed during my absence.

 

http://www.firethistime.org/du.htm

 

http://www.firethistime.org/extremedeformities.htm

 

If its not harmful at all, then would you mind explaining how cancer rates among children have risen 250%? Or how extreme birth deformities have increased four-fold? Or how all in all, cancer rates over Southern Iraq have risen by a minimum of 100%?

[builder]

Very interesting link, CW. The facts without the hype.

 

So long as DU does not catch fire, the dangers from it are slight.

 

In the case of DU, once a shell has struck its' target, it ignites and burns at temperatures of up to 10,000 degrees Centigrade. As it does so, it releases a plume of fine particles of U-238 oxides, some of which can be breathed in. These particles are very small and largely insoluble, and can be carried long distances by the wind. Soluble particles can also enter the food chain and water supply. Once present in these cycles, it is virtually impossible to remove them. With a half-life of 4,500 million years, these particles will still be present at the time of the death of the solar system.

 

Western governments have gone to enormous trouble to prevent the investigation of DU ammunition effects, and to lie, deceive, repress and downplay the risks.

 

Iraqi children aren't the only kids to cop the fallout of DU.

http://www.dwsart.com/files/dedra___jordan.jpg

 

http://www.dwsart.com/ DougsFamilyPage.html

[builder]

Builder I used that one because you said all my info is from fox news. That was a lefty site CNN! Couldn't you tell? It also said 71% wouldn't not want to go in without a U.N. mandate. They got one. Then it said "it has a sound legal reason". Not " it sounds like it has a legal reason. Big differance!! Or do you know the differance? You need to read the whole thing! Go back and maybe it will make some sense to you.

 

I was also showing you that even your government affirmed that Saddam was a threat to your country, it was a legal move and they needed to go along with America. Fuck I know war

[snafu]

There was no threat to Australia. Now there is.

 

Your link was rightard rubbish. There was no legality to invading Iraq. Bush can keep rewriting the rule book as many times as he likes, while you let him.

 

Truth is, his whole cabal would be tried as war criminals if he didn't change the law to protect his buddies butts.

 

Every time you get shot down you say another stupid statement about Bush. That’s funny. It shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. Look around. Don’t always try to be defiant. If you’re wrong be a man and own up to it!

There were plenty of reasons that made it not only legal but the right thing to do.

We should just let Saddam go and settle in the land down under! There were no threats to Australia? Your government believed there was one. I guess we'll never know now that we stopped him. Or I guess you would rather have your own 9-11 before you want to do anything.

[builder]

Indicate where and when I was wrong. Your beloved neocons keep shovelling shit, and you keep gobbling it up.

 

Australians were never in support of invading Iraq. 71 % against. The exact figures for the current US feeling against Bush and his neocon bullshit show. Saddam was a US puppet. Wait till that gets aired at his trial. Why is he being tried in Iraq? If Saddam was behind the 9/11 scenario, why not try him for that?

 

He's a patsy for the neocons, that's why. The fall guy. You are a clueless patriot. Your gov loves you. While you keep gobbling up their shit, they will always love you.

 

"Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. And it is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government, or the empty catchphrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let man label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country - hold up your head! You have nothing to be ashamed of."

 

Mark Twain

[builder]

Here's what your constitution was founded upon. Where are you at, right about now?

 

# All men have inherent rights to life, liberty, and property

# All power is vested in the people

# Government is established to benefit, not rule the people

# Leadership roles should not be hereditary

# Legislative and Executive Powers should be separate and distinct

# The principles of free elections

# Government can not suspend laws without the consent of the people

# The right to trial by jury and to confront witnesses

# There should be no cruel and unusual punishment

# Provisions to eliminate unlawful searches of persons or personal property

# Trial by jury is preferable and should be held sacred

# "Freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty"

# A well regulated militia is required to defend a free state

# People have a right to a uniform government

# Free government is preserved only by adherence to fundamental principles

# The freedom to practice religion according to personal reason and conviction.

 

I'll go through the list and give my opinion from one who is observing, rather than living in the US of A.

 

# All men have inherent rights to life, liberty, and property

All people do not have inherent rights to liberty. The patriot act saw that one ousted.

 

# All power is vested in the people

All power is vested in the senate, which is currently undergoing so many inquiries and court cases, it is clearly laughably corrupt and unstable.

 

# Government is established to benefit, not rule the people

The NWO is out to dispel this belief, for your own good, not theirs. LOL

 

# Leadership roles should not be hereditary

Bush 1 and the sequel? Yeah, right.

 

# Legislative and Executive Powers should be separate and distinct

Rushed in legislation post 9/11 tossed that one out the window.

 

# The principles of free elections

Free? They cost a motza and are clearly suspect, and controlled.

 

# Government can not suspend laws without the consent of the people

Too late. Shut the gate. The neocons do as they please.

 

# The right to trial by jury and to confront witnesses

Unless you are suspected of dissidence or treason. Off to guantanamo you go. No visitors, no legal reps, no justice, no trial.

 

# There should be no cruel and unusual punishment

Unless you are a resident of guantanamo. Or on death row.

 

# Provisions to eliminate unlawful searches of persons or personal property

What a crock of shit. CIA and FBI do whatever they want to do..

 

# Trial by jury is preferable and should be held sacred

Like OJ is innocent. Right.

 

# "Freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty"

You've got to be kidding me. Jewish press and partisan politics. Love it.

Thank fuck for the web.

 

# A well regulated militia is required to defend a free state

Agreed. Defense is important. Illegal invasion is evil.

 

# People have a right to a uniform government

Pffft. Whatever they meant in that line is not the case today.

 

# Free government is preserved only by adherence to fundamental principles

The principals of government we are seeing today is funnelling public money into private hands. The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.

 

# The freedom to practice religion according to personal reason and conviction

Unless you are Islamic.

[8 mecos]

OK back to my beef with bias American media. Fucking liberals would rather worry about there own agenda than to do what

[snafu]

OK back to my beef with bias American media. Fucking liberals would rather worry about there own agenda than to do what’s right. Don’t be bias, admit you were wrong about the war and admit Bush hasn’t done anything wrong with our foreign affairs.

 

 

 

You must be touched in the head >>>Wrong about the war !!! are you under a rock or do you have rocks in your head??

Bush sold evrything in relation to foreign affairs to Haliburton and Daddys Carlye Group Oh sorry guess there nothing wrong about that it's just business.

 

Fuck thats funny:D Yea Bush thinks lets go to war so old Haliburton can make more millions!

[scout]

Fuck thats funny:D Yea Bush thinks lets go to war so old Haliburton can make more millions!

 

Yeah, something right along those lines. Except Bush couldn't think himself out of a golf bag. Who do you think is really running this elite implosion of the US?